Skiles' Small Forwards
Scott Allen Skiles pretty consistently succeeded as a head coach in the NBA, something you wouldn't necessarily believe given he was sent out of town from his only two head coaching gigs within four years. But the numbers speak for themselves: in Phoenix, he was over .600 two of three years, and the Bulls added 28 wins in his second season coaching.
This is really worth being optimistic about. Truly.
As long as we understand that it's still, in the end, almost all about the players on the floor. Thankfully, that's where John Hammond should come in handy, because we all know by now that Skiles could channel the coaching knowledge of Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, and John Wooden and still miss 45 wins with current player personnel.
This leads us into a discussion about Skiles and the small forwards he's coached.
In his first year with the Suns, Tom Gugliotta played the three, and while Gugs' best years were in the mid 90's, he still put up pretty respectable numbers in the 1999-2000 campaign: 13.7 points and 9.7 rebounds on 48.1 % from the field. Gugliotta lost his starting spot by the next season however, after a second-year player grew up almost as fast as Britney Spears at the start of the new millennium. The name of the basketball up-and-comer? Shawn Marion. He wasted little time asserting himself as one of the league's up-and-coming two-way players, leading the Suns in scoring (17.3), rebounding (10.7), and blocks (1.37). A year later, Marion added a three point shot to his arsenal, but the switch from Jason Kidd to Stephon Marbury at point guard predictably didn't translate into wins and Skiles' last season in the desert was cut short.
His next stop was Chicago, where his task was to resurrect a recently-proud franchise that hadn't finished closer than 20 games behind a division leader since MJ hung up his Bulls' jersey (for the last time) half a decade earlier. Among many, many other problems, there was no one of Marion or even Gugliotta's calibar to play the three. Scottie Pippen's return to Chi-town fell flat, with Ronald Dupree, Linton Johnson, and Jerome Williams starting at small forward that season serving as exhibits A, B, and C. Skiles' leading scorers were two of this year's top Knick scorers (Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry), an economical way of summing up the impending doom that was his first year with the Bulls.
Skiles went 19-47 in his one season with a collection of awful small forwards.
Not to fear, because like in Phoenix, his second year with Chicago was a mammoth regular season success. One of the key ingredients? A smooth, young small forward draftee by the name of Luol Deng. And for the first time he also had Andres Nocioni at his disposal. The progression of Deng and addition of Nocioni helped the Bulls lose 12 fewer games in Year Two of Skiles -- and that came in 16 more games played.
Over the next two years Skiles won 100 more games, and while he failed to reach the Conference Finals, he did successfully transform the Bulls from league laughingstock to a feared franchise. In that time, Deng became the team's best player.
A quick review, with team winning percentage under Skiles along with a sampling of his small forwards:
Year 1: .645 (Gugliotta/Marion)
Year 2: .623 (Marion/Gugliotta)
Year 3: .490 (Marion/Gugliotta)
Year 4: .288 (Dupree/Johnson)
Year 5: .573 (Deng/Nocioni)
Year 6: .500 (Deng/Nocioni)
Year 7: .598 (Deng/Nocioni)
Year 8: .360 (Deng/Nocioni)
Now, Desmond Mason probably had the most satisfying season of any Buck other than Andrew Bogut or Ramon Sessions. He shot a career-high 48.2 % from the field, showed as much consistent effort as anyone on the team, and along the way sprinkled in some dunks and straight-up ridiculous games.
But when your points per game dips under 10 around the time you go over 30 years, that's a good indication your double-digit scoring days are numbered. Mason is a nice player, and he's a good veteran to have around. But if he's still starting a couple years from now, we probably shouldn't count on Year Two of Skiles to result in many more wins. Not with such little production at small forward. We agree with The Bratwurst on this one, we need one to play the three .
So, what to do?
The Jazz have a point man who puts most to shame, so we can probably forget about dealing Mo Williams for Andrei Kirilenko (Masha+furry hats not sold separately).
The draft will present intriguing options, but leave it to Draft Express to scare us away from most of the best:
Let's start with Donte Greene. A natural scorer, this 6'10" forward has a beautiful shooting touch, but...
Greene has become more and more of a spot-up shooter as the year progresses, attempting over 50% of his shots from behind the arc on the season, but seeing his accuracy drop to a miserable 28.7% in 17 Big East conference games thus far (32.9% total). At his size, Greene can get his shot off virtually whenever he pleases, which is precisely part of the problem, since he’s shown very little self-restraint. His 7.3 3-point attempts per game ranks him 3rd amongst all players on our 08 or 09 mock drafts.
Ah yes, more chuckers... no. Keep Mo and Redd around, put CV at the four and we probably wouldn't expect Bogut to report to training camp.
Moving on, we have Anthony Randolph, an explosive 6'11" forward who can run the court and block shots, but...
The problem here is that Randolph doesn’t seem to put up much resistance, giving up too much space in the post, not showing a great deal of fire fighting back against stronger players, and displaying a laid-back demeanor that is somewhat concerning at times.
A natural fit in Milwaukee perhaps, but not in a good way. There is also a part in there about driving to the basket out of control. Like Greene, he's just a freshman so there is a lot of room for improvement, but most signs here say "stay away, far away."
Among the other options are Chase Budinger and Chris Douglas-Roberts. I like Douglas-Roberts as a prospect a lot, but both of these guys might be better suited at shooting guard anyway.
In terms of the draft, that leaves Danilo Gallinari. With Gallinari, the Bucks would have an all-international front court, but more importantly they could get what Bobby Simmons only gave a glimpse of: legitimate number two scoring ability and the offensive game to spread defenses to create driving lines. He also has good size, at 6'9", 209, and is not a European project; by most indications he's ready to play.
Then again, some have questioned whether he can guard small forwards or rebound...
Okay, Frank's right, let's just swing a deal for Josh Howard already.
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What do you think about the small forward situation, Mitchell? Do you like someone in the draft? Howard obviously isn’t a number one on a great team, but we also know Redd isn’t either. And Howard surely fits better as a number two or three.
crkone, I really, really like Childress; easily one of my favorite players in the league. He didn’t start a single game this year despite probably being their third best player.
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Honestly, the only player in the draft that fits what the Bucks could use is the Italian guy, Gallinari. Offensively, he should fit in quite nicely. After Derrick Rose, I simply don’t see anyone coming out that’s going to be more than a rotation player.
But wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get a defensive stopper at the 3 spot? Like a Ron Artest without the crazy or Bruce Bowen without the cheap shots? I was really sad when the Bogut-Yi-Charlie V frontcourt didn’t pan out (read: was never seriously considered until it was too late); the combination of size and offensive ability was appealing. But then I realized that more offense isn’t the answer. Sure, you can try to fight fire with fire, a la the run-and-gun G.S. Warriors. But y’know? Water sure does work against fire.
My biggest issue with the team is and always has been (surprise, surprise) defense. It’s not even a case of willingness anymore, it’s ability. After Bogut, who made huuuuuuuuuuge strides this season on the defensive end, who on this roster even can play D? Yi needs to bulk up to have a chance, but he’ll never play SF. D-Mase used to be able to, but he’s lost a step. I’m pretty sure Bobby Simmons had his foot amputated. Royal Ivey is a fraud. I don’t even want to get started on Charlie Bell.
Now, if we can trade Mo/Redd into guards who have heard of putting a hand in a shooter’s face, then the 3 spot can be a scoring type. But until that happens, get me someone who can lock down somebody else’s offensive threat and go from there.
-- "I do know that I plead the fizzif."
by Mitchell Maurer on May 2, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Chill
I’m a huge Childress fan. He’s never going to be a star in general, but as a role player he’s pretty much perfect (and he can definitely start).
A couple years ago I had hoped we might be able to do something with Mo/Magloire to get him, but given the optimism in Atlanta right now I have to think the Hawks will keep Smith/Childress. If anyone gets moved it might be Marvin while he’s still under contract.
At this point I’m definitely intrigued by both Randolph and Gallinari, but given they’re both 19 and have obvious flaws it’s tough to be 100% sold on them. Watching highlights of Gallinari you can really see he doesn’t have the athleticism of your typical lottery-projected SF. But it seems he makes up for it a lot by being crafty and really smart on the ball, and his productivity in European competition is difficult to deny. It’s interesting that DX’s best case/worst cases for him are Turkoglu/Dunleavy, who are actually pretty comparable. I’d gladly take a guy who was going to be no worse than Dunleavy, but something tells me that might be optimistic.
We realistically can’t trade Mo (BYC) before the draft, so that kind of complicates things. And if a Redd/Howard deal was possible you’d run into the same BYC issue with Howard. So the Bucks probably just take the BPA in the draft (a good thing) and worry about positional redundancy come July 1.

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