You Pick 'Em: Version 2.0
Three weeks ago, you told us Kevin Love was the guy. Among possible Bucks' lottery selections, Love gathered 23% of your votes, edging Eric Gordon (18%), Danilo Gallinari (13%) and Anthony Randolph (12%). Read the full post for a summary of what's happened since then.

- According to the latest mocks, the universal assumption is that Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless and Eric Gordon will be gone when the Bucks pick eighth. Gordon's perhaps the most surprising name in that group, but pretty much everyone expects either the Knicks or Clips to select him.
- Brook Lopez appears to be slipping, but that seems to make sense given his so-so athleticism and mediocre rebounding. We'll add him to our poll since there's a good chance he's available at #8 (that's not an endorsement, though).
- The Bucks worked out Randolph, Joe Alexander and Donte Greene on June 6. The session was closed to the media, but the grouping does suggest the Bucks envision Randolph as a possible small forward, which has been something of a question.
- There weren't any earth-shattering revelations from the Orlando pre-draft physicals/combine results. Love isn't long (6'11.25" wingspan) but tested better athletically than expected (35" vertical). Randolph is skinny (197 lbs) but long (7'3" wingspan). Eric Gordon is short (8'3" standing reach) but also explosive (40" vertical) and long (6'9" wingspan). Russell Westbrook has great size for the PG spot (8'4" standing reach) and should have the length to guard many SGs, too (6'8" wingspan). And Alexander is the all-around physical freak that he was rumored to be.
- Alexander might be the guy making the most progress over the last month. Everyone knew he was a ferocious dunker, but he didn't really break out until this past spring, when he averaged 23.9 ppg and 8.1 rpg in the final nine games of the season. Considering he's only been playing organized ball for about five years, his delayed development is somewhat understandable, but he's still a bit older than most of the other lotto candidates (he turns 22 in December). My major concern is whether he'll ever be able to be an efficient scorer at the next level. Even during his hot streak he shot only .458 from the field and he was never much of a threat from the college three point line. He makes up for that a bit by getting to the line (where he shoots 81%), and with his size and athleticism he can certainly get his shot whenever he wants it. Now it's a matter of developing consistency with it. For his part, Alexander contends that his ballhandling and three point shooting are much better than people think. There's also no doubt that his impeccable work ethic and toughness would mesh well with Scott Skiles. But is he a top ten pick?
- Gery Woelfel reports Love and Brandon Rush will be among those working out next week. It's been reported that Love is a favorite of Minnesota (#3), where he'll work out against DeAndre Jordan among others on Tuesday. He also worked out for both Memphis (#5) and New York (#6) last week. At this point I don't expect Love to be available when the Bucks pick, but we'll keep him in the poll for now.
- We took a closer look at the enigmatic Anthony Randolph last week.
- A week ago, Danilo Gallinari said the Knicks and Nets were his preferred destinations, raising concerns that he might stay in Italy next season if another team chose him. However, after working out for both teams Gallinari is backing off his stance a bit. It's unclear if that will be enough of an assurance for a team like the Bucks, who as of now don't have Gallinari on their workout calendar.
- Donte Greene wasn't in our first poll either and no one expects him to crack the top ten right now, but we'll add him to our poll since the Bucks worked him out.
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Alexander at 8?
The majority really would take Alexander at number 8 over Kevin Love or Anthony Randolph? I realize many probably saw Alexander take over in the Tourney playing for West Virginia, but please, let’s read the question. Who would you take if available? After reading the earlier “BPA versus need” article the other day, I do not see how you could not take Love with this pick. Please someone explain the reasoning of taking Alexander over Love?
"Buck Nasty once called in a robbery, not because it was a crime, but because he was jealous of all the money them mfers were making", "Yeaaa holla at ya boy"
by smitty7789 on Jun 15, 2008 10:07 PM CDT 0 recs
I’m guessing some of the Alexander votes might be people letting the availability issue affect their pick, and obviously if you’re big on picking for need then Alexander fits better in that sense.
I would be fine with Love, Randolph, or Westbrook—all very different players with differing risk/reward levels. Gordon and Alexander might be in there, too, I don’t hate either guy. I just checked and apparently I voted for Randolph…but to be honest I don’t know if I could actually pass on Love if he was there. I think I’m becoming numb to all of this :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 15, 2008 11:07 PM CDT 0 recs
There is no way Alexander is going to be taken at the number eight spot. That is way too much of a reach. However, I voted for Kevin Love but I seriously doubt he’ll be there. My pick from there would then we Westbrook because Skiles will love him and he can run a team. He plays hard on defense and should develop a nice offensive game. Mo Williams is expendable because we need a facilitator on this team instead of a bunch of shooters.
by Beardsly on Jun 15, 2008 11:48 PM CDT 0 recs
Mo Williams is expendable because we need a facilitator on this team instead of a bunch of shooters.
I don’t know if he is completely flexible. Mo is only 24 years old and has an extremely cap friendly long term contract. He could turn out to be a steal with that contract if he improves and does not take a step back. I think I would give him a year under Skiles; hopefully Skiles can mold him more into a defensive player that can be a long range threat (what he did with Kirk Hinrich). I don’t know how the hell he is going to change how many shots he puts up, but I still say give him one more year. If he doesn’t improve defensively or run the offense as it should be run, then it’s time to cut ties with him and trade.
However, like stated before, I highly doubt Love will be available. If Randolph is gone before the Bucks pick (as stated in ESPN’s newest mock draft, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080609). If both are gone, I think you have to go with Westbrook. He would be served well to start the year as a sixth man and get a feel for the game and allow the Bucks to get a feel if they want to move Mo or not.
On a more personal note to Mortimer, I know the future is really bleak in Portland for you guys and it must suck not having a seven foot defensive beast playing for your team next year, but if the Bucks did draft Danilo Gallinari, the Blazers will officially be my new most hated team in the league for you even suggesting we draft the head case.
"Buck Nasty once called in a robbery, not because it was a crime, but because he was jealous of all the money them mfers were making", "Yeaaa holla at ya boy"
by smitty7789 on
Jun 16, 2008 2:42 PM CDT
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I agree with Westbrook’s fit…it seems like Skiles and Hammond would both love his athleticism, work ethic and defensive presence.
I forgot to mention another reason why people might be voting for Alexander—he’s a great athlete who’s highlight reel friendly. In the absence of real games it’s easy to overvalue those types of skills. Plus there’s the whole athletic white guy novelty factor. I would have loved to see how he compared to Randolph at that workout last week…fortunately the people making the decision have more information than we do.
by Frank Madden on Jun 15, 2008 11:56 PM CDT 0 recs
I picked the Italian kid
But only because I think it’d be funny if you guys had to struggle to get your draft pick over again. I don’t mean anything mean by it, and I hate draft picks trying to set their own terms, so it’ll teach the greaseball a lesson; plus future greaseballs will learn that no NBA team cares where you say you wanna go.
Just play.
The Italian kid has a Euro contract, but the lottery rookie scale is worth more money. He isn’t walking away from Rudy Fernandez money.
So you guys like Kevin Love? Aren’t you worried about his lack of height and bad defense? I’d imagine you’d want a stronger defender to go next to Bogut, plus someone much more mobile than Love. Same goes for Lopez, but at least he has good size—though Love has much more skill.
I am not sure who my friends in Bucksville should pick, but I’d imagine you want to get more athletic, better defensively, and not a PF unless you don’t envision Yi there.
Kevin Love. Hmm.
Most Blazer fans want Westbrook, so try not to pick him so he can maybe fall to us. Is it a deal? Shake on it. (shake)
Good luck again in a week and a half!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 16, 2008 5:03 AM CDT 0 recs
Alexander and Randolph put up similar numbers last year, and even recognizing that Alexander is a relative basketball newbie, he’s 21 years old. At 18, Randolph has a ton of room for growth. And he’ll develop physically (puts on pounds) as well as fundamentally on the court in time.
It’s funny, Love can shoot and has good fundamentals but isn’t athletic and is too short and fat to play power forward.
Then we’ve got Randolph, who likes to shoot too much and needs more consistency but is absurdly athletic and is too tall and skinny to play small forward.
Supposedly anyway.
I voted Randolph. I like Westbrook too.
by Alex Boeder on Jun 16, 2008 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Mo Williams is expendable because we need a facilitator on this team instead of a bunch of shooters.
I don’t know if he is completely flexible. Mo is only 24 years old and has an extremely cap friendly long term contract. He could turn out to be a steal with that contract if he improves and does not take a step back. I think I would give him a year under Skiles; hopefully Skiles can mold him more into a defensive player that can be a long range threat (what he did with Kirk Hinrich). I don’t know how the hell he is going to change how many shots he puts up, but I still say give him one more year. If he doesn’t improve defensively or run the offense as it should be run, then it’s time to cut ties with him and trade.
However, like stated before, I highly doubt Love will be available. If Randolph is gone before the Bucks pick (as stated in ESPN’s newest mock draft, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080609). If both are gone, I think you have to go with Westbrook. He would be served well to start the year as a sixth man and get a feel for the game and allow the Bucks to get a feel if they want to move Mo or not.
On a more personal note to Mortimer, I know the future is really bleak in Portland for you guys and it must suck not having a seven foot defensive beast playing for your team next year, but if the Bucks did draft Danilo Gallinari, the Blazers will officially be my new most hated team in the league for you even suggesting we draft the head case.
"Buck Nasty once called in a robbery, not because it was a crime, but because he was jealous of all the money them mfers were making", "Yeaaa holla at ya boy"
by smitty7789 on Jun 16, 2008 2:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Sorry Smitty
Like I said, I wasn’t trying to be mean, just being silly. I’m sure the Italian kid would bitch about coming to the Blazers too, since no one outside of the USA (and even many inside of it) have any clue where Portland, OR is—except Lithuania, because of Sabonis.
I wasn’t trying to rub the Yi thing in your guys faces, jus’ joking around (in case it was taken as a tease). I mean, the Yi thing worked out, whereas the Magic drafted Fran Vasquez in the lottery and he’ll likely never come over. THAT would suck.
I’m more just surprised so many want Kevin Love, as I don’t see him as BPA or fitting a need. A lot of Portland fans have irrational love for him since he is from Portland, but his size and propensity to be a fatty (even though he is in shape now) has caused most of us to not even consider him a great lottery pick—and I thought we took longer than most because a lot of Portland fans love the local kids.
He’s got skill for sure, but he just screams COLLEGE PLAYER to me. I could definitely be wrong, just curious to see how he fits in on the Bucks. He’d be a backup to Yi and Bogut (unless Yi is a SF?), and picking someone at #8 to be a career backup doesn’t seem like the best use of the pick.
Westbrook just had a great workout for the Blazers, hitting 30 out of 40 three pointers and showing that he has already gotten a lot stronger and bigger since the end of the tourney. Most Blazer fans want him, but worry that you guys will snag him because he is projected to be such a great defender.
I agree with you; let him learn under Mo, maybe even make Mo very moveable. While Love seems like career backup, Westbrook looks like he could develop into a starter if he develops more of a PG game, less a combo guard game.
Oh, and Mo’s deal looks to be pretty long and spendy. How is it cap friendly? Is it front loaded?
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jun 16, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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Haha, I know it was all joking, Mortimer. You’re very convincing with the Kevin Love analogy. I think a reason a lot of Bucks fans are so high on him, other than his great college statistics, is because we have perennially been one of the softest if not the most soft team now since the days of Oscar Robertson. In a lot of Wisconsin there is that tough guy, blue collar (and I f-ing hate that word) mentality. I think a lot of people like that Love could possibly embroider this image. Plus you can’t discount anytime a half-way decent white player in college comes around he is usually drafted way too high for some reason(Adam Morrison, J.J. Reddick). I don’t think manager are blatently racist, but maybe unconciously there is something going on that wants to see another Larry Bird. I don’t know, maybe I am talking out of my ass here. I’m going off topic. Anyway, Love may be good but you’re right that it’s too early to write off Yi.
You were right about Mo’s contract too. For some reason I thought it was a 6 million base contract. It’s really a 6 year 52 milion contract which means he will average 8.67 per year. it seems the league is quickly becoming a leauge where you need your point guard to be strictly a facilitator. I am to the point where I think they just need to get rid of everyone besides Bogut.
Westbrook would be great for you guys. Unfortunately, I would love to see him end up with us too.
"Buck Nasty once called in a robbery, not because it was a crime, but because he was jealous of all the money them mfers were making", "Yeaaa holla at ya boy"
by smitty7789 on
Jun 16, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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White Guys
The last thing the Bucks need is another white guy we drafted too high. Actually we really don’t need a white guy at all.
I like the idea of having Westbrook as our sixth man because he can guard the two spot and be a solid back up point guard. The only reason I worry is that Ramon Sessions might turn into a player and then we would be loaded with guards.
Side note: Think we could trade Ramon Sessions while his stock is “relatively” high?
I just hope we don’t draft Eric Gordon though because he would be a slightly worse, but with more upside Michael Redd.
The more I think about it the more I realize that whomever we get with the 8 pick, isn’t going to make us a significantly better team. We need a trade or Gilbert Arenas. At least Gil would draw some fans.
by Beardsly on Jun 17, 2008 2:35 AM CDT 0 recs
I don’t think Alexander counts as a “white guy.” Love yes, Alexander no. I think both guys can play, so whatever.
The idea of trading Sessions is an interesting one. I’d guess he could fetch a mid-first rounder, maybe a late lottery pick. I doubt he’s dealt, but if the Bucks ever had a chance at a big name he would be a good piece to use as a deal-sweetener. Or if the Bucks really liked Mayo for instance, would Minnesota be interested in a deal based around Sessions+8? Maybe not, but it’s a thought.
by Frank Madden on Jun 17, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs








