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Assorted Finals thoughts with Milwaukee-related tangents

When the Finals first started, I made a big deal about how overly complicated everyone was making the game and used a very simple method to determine my own prediction.  I took the Lakers in six.  And I was oh, so wrong.  So very wrong.

I think its safe to say that if you're reading this, you watched Game 6 of the Finals last night.  Here's some thoughts:

  • Holy macaroni, what a smackdown.  The Celts took Kobe and Co. and beat the Lakers like they stole their cookies.  A 39-point victory isn't totally unheard of...in the regular season.  In a do-or-die game in the championship round, it kinda is.
  • Former Buck Jesus Shuttlesworth was on fire.  Ray-Ray hit seven 3-pointers in the game, which tied a Finals record, and his 22 bombs from distance were a new record.  Yikes. 
  • Is it just me, or is Mike Breen's commentary for three pointers strangely satisfying?  "Ray Allen for three...BANG!"  I don't know, but it seems to work.  If only he could get Mark Jackson and Van Gundy to get that divorce they so sorely need.
  • Holy Rajon Rondo.  He needs a nickname along the lines of 'Cat Burglar', but more witty and preferably non-cat related.  So much thievery, I thought I was watching Ocean's 11.
  • Kendrick Perkins coming back wasn't big on the stat sheet, but it was HUGE in the game.  I'm pretty sure he only scored a few points and went to sit after getting his 5th foul, but his presence on the defensive end of the court was enormous.  Games 5 and 6 were night and day because of him.
  • The Celtic's bench stepped up big time.  Eddie House, James Posey, P.J. Brown, Tony Allen (!), and even Big Baby Davis got in the action.  All of them played great defense (especially Posey on Bryant) and put on a show in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.
  • Speaking of the final minutes of the 4th quarter, it looked like an intramural game that had gotten completely out of hand.  The Lakers weren't even close to trying.  Tony Allen's reverse dunk off an alley-oop was proof enough of that. 
  • The crowd was great.  I refer you to Bill Simmons if you want to learn how important a home crowd is in a playoff ball game.
  • Even though they were thoroughly handled in the Finals, I don't expect the Lakers to fall apart.  They've got Kobe, obviously.  Pau Gasol is still young and extremely talented.  Andrew Bynum is coming back, and their bench is young and talented (Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, etc.). 
  • However, one thing I expect to happen is Lamar Odom's trade and/or release.  Look at the frontcourt for next season: with Bynum's return from injury, Gasol can move back to his natural PF position.  And unless the Lakers plan to unload Radmonovic (who played pretty much the worst defense ever this series), Lamar Odom is suddenly looking at reduced PT and possibly coming off the bench.  Throw in the fact that he sucked for the entire Finals (except Game 5), we can expect Lamar to be elsewhere next season.
  • I sure hope Paul Pierce's knee isn't too badly hurt.  The guy put on a great performance and earned his championship without ever letting on just how hurt he actually was. 
  • Kevin Garnett.  Wow.  First of all, dude flat-out played some ball tonight.  That circus shot in the first half was un-be-liev-a-ble.  He came back in a big way in Game 6.  But more than anything, I was moved by his emotion in the aftermath of the win.  He wasn't overjoyed, he was happy to the point of losing control.  He was literally twitching with delight.  I implore you to find his post-game interview with Michelle Tafoya on YouTube; it's as raw of human emotion as you'll find not only in sports, but pretty much anywhere.  I am incredibly happy for him.

But, this is a Milwaukee Bucks blog, and I am a Milwaukee Bucks fan.  So what did we learn from these here Finals?

First of all, it proves that you can negate opposing offense with defense.  Between the Spurs' titles, the Pistons' run in 2004, and the 2008 Boston Celtics, there is undeniable proof that building a team with a defensive mindset can win you a ring.  John Hammond and Scott Skiles know this, I'm sure.  I am very excited to see what they're going to do to bring Milwaukee out of sub-mediocrity and into contention.

Secondly, we learned that one great offensive player can't prevail against solid team defense.  Kobe was "Old Kobe" for the Finals, the version of Kobe where his offensive mindset is "mememememememememememeeeeeeeeee" and not much else.  I hope that other offensively-gifted players learn from this example and continue making concentrated efforts on involving teammates in the offense.

More than anything, we learned that the 2008 Celtics were an aberration.  Boston built itself through two major trades and veteran pickups instead of through the draft and player development.  Teams are not usually built like this, and I doubt we'll see a team built like this again in the future.  Allow me to explain myself.

Last season, the Celtics had the worst record in the East.  They had one good player (Pierce), one emerging good player (Al Jefferson), and a collection of young and skilled but inexperienced players or older players who had hit their ceiling (Rondo personifying the former, Delonte West representing the latter).  This team was not going anywhere.

Then the Ray Allen trade came along.  This was a fair trade, in my opinion: essentially it gave Seattle a chance at a young prospect in return for a quality veteran who was just starting to slip.  Teams make trades like these all the time.

But the KG trade was ridiculous.  Am I happy it happened?  Absolutely.  Do I believe it was fair?  Absolutely not.  I don't care how you spin it, trading Kevin freaking Garnett for Al Jefferson, etc. and a side of fries is not even.  That would be like Milwaukee trading Andrew Bogut, Charlie Bell, Bobby Simmons, Dan Gadzuric, and Jake Voshkul for Dwight Howard.  One good player (Bogut) and a bunch of anti-good players for a g-r-e-a-t player.  Except for salaries, how is that an even trade?  (Note to self: if the Bucks ever get a chance to pull the trigger on this trade, I'm all for it.)

In any case, I'm happy Boston won.  I just hope Milwaukee doesn't follow their example.

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I’ve typically been in the huge minority when I argue LBJ is a better player than Kobe (or at least right with him), but I hope this series will cast some doubt on the general view that Kobe is the best player on the planet. He didn’t get a ton of help this series, but it’s not like LBJ ever has either.

Also, the way the C’s defended Kobe & company makes it all the more a crime that Tom Thibodeau is still an assistant while MIchael Curry and Vinny Del Negro are head coaches. I don’t know, maybe Thibodeau doesn’t have the “it” quality you look for in a head coach, but I refuse to believe Doc Rivers was the guy who turned this team into one of the best defensive teams of all time.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT   0 recs

At least King James went down fighting against the Celtics.

I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.

by srdmad on Jun 18, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thibodeau

It is pretty shocking that Thibodeau still does not have a head coaching job. Don’t you think he could do a great job with a team like the Hawks? Apparently Mike Woodson’s 37 win season was good enough to keep him around.

The Bucks/Magic trade is just a little different than the Wolves/Celtics one. Dwight’s still improving (and something like 22 years old) where KG had done as much as he could with the Wolves. Should the Wolves have done KG for Deng/Ty Thomas/Noah+cap filler (wasn’t that the offer?) or Monta Ellis/Brandon Wright/Al Harrington+cap filler? Maybe.

I think a trade more equal to the Garnett/Jefferson deal would be Yao Ming for Bogut/Gadzuric/Charlie Bell/& Pick/ Yao’s a guy who may have taken the Rockets as far as they can go and needs a change of scenery. I’m not saying the Rockets would ever do this, I’m just saying you have to realize how someone who hasn’t won anything in years (Garnett/Yao) can be traded if the team wants to blow it up (Minnesota).

With that said, it’s inexcusable that McHale couldn’t get the #5 Pick out of the deal with the Celts.

by GloryYear2001 on Jun 18, 2008 3:38 PM CDT   0 recs

much better trade example

I’d rather have Superman, even if only in my imagination.

-- "I do know that I plead the fizzif."

by Mitchell_M on Jun 18, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wasn't the #5 pick gone

Didn’t they do the Allen trade first, and the #5 pick already wen’t to the sonics?

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by Beardsly on Jun 21, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not that riciculous

That KG trade wasn’t a horribly uneven trade. KG left Minnesota because he was so sick of mediocrity that he wanted out. Danny Ainge made a risk by trading for Allen (Unless KG told him to) without Garnett. Garnett wanted out and Minnesota obviously had no other pieces to trade for someone to play alongside Garnett. By getting rid of him they began rebuilding and found a stud in Al Jefferson, who will be good with some players around him.

Also if the C’s played the same (terrible) defense they played against the Cavs, Kobe would have smoked them the same way. They stepped it up huge in the finals, and all the credit to them. However, Lebron would have struggled just as much against the Celtics team D as Kobe did if the levels of defensive pressure were the same. The Celtics compeltely collapsed on Kobe at the end of games and could only get one extra guy to Lebron.

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by Beardsly on Jun 19, 2008 12:14 AM CDT   0 recs

Any KG trade was destined to be bashed in the short term, but Jefferson will be putting up 20/10 for the next decade. They weren’t going to get anyone for KG who could lead them to the playoffs this year anyway—KG couldn’t even do it, which shows you how bad it was in Minny. Garnett’s better than Gasol, but I still see Minnesota’s trade as far superior to Memphis’.

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2008 9:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Thoughts Regarding Garnett and Ray Allen
KG left Minnesota because he was so sick of mediocrity that he wanted out.

This is not true. Garnett had to be extensively convinced by Paul Pierce to join the Celtics. He is a class act athlete and wanted to stick with Minnesota through it all. I live in Minnesota currently, going to school here, and everyone here is almost in a way more happy for Garnett. I think more people here became Boston Celtics fans than sticking with the T-Wolves because to many here, Garnett was the T-Wolves. That said, Al Jefferson, could be just as good as Garnett someday. The team wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon in the West even with Garnett; they had to do the trade.

In regards to Ray Allen. Words cannot explain how happy I am to see him win a championship. Going to Milwaukee games and watching him in the early 2000’s was always a treat to see his jumpshot, class, and integrity. If it wasn’t for that Cassell, Big Dog, Ray Allen lineup they had for those few years, I don’t know if I would’ve stuck by the Bucks in my young age back then. I attribute Ray Allen to making me a Bucks fan for life. And damnit he’s just a nice guy. Congrats to him and the Celtics.

I am waiting for the day I get to go drinking with Vin Baker.

by smitty7789 on Jun 19, 2008 6:04 PM CDT   0 recs

wow, GloryYear2001, you are totally right. You present are far better trade comparison. People throws out potential trades all the time, but never take into account their situations, ages, and experience the way you have. bravo and welcome to the forum.

by petedah3at on Jun 20, 2008 1:55 PM CDT   0 recs

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