Game Thread 16: Bulls/Bucks (Update: Bogut starting)
Chicago Bulls at Milwaukee Bucks, Nov 30, 2009 7:00 PM CST
| 2009/2010 NBA Season | ||
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| 6-8 (2-7 road) | 8-7 (6-2 home) |
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| November 30th, 2009 | ||
| Bradley Center |
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| 7:00 PM | ||
| Radio: 620 WTMJ TV: FSN Wisconsin |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Derrick Rose |
PG | Brandon Jennings |
| John Salmons |
SG | Charlie Bell |
| Luol Deng |
SF | Carlos Delfino |
| Taj Gibson |
PF | Ersan Ilyasova |
| Joakim Noah |
C | Andrew Bogut |
| (27th) 98.8 - OFFENSE - 104.2 (22nd) |
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| (15th) 105.9 - DEFENSE - 102.6 (7th) |
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(18th) 92.1 - PACE - 93.7 (11th) |
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Linkage
BlogaBull / Bulls by the Horns
News/analysis/discussion after the jump
Bogut starting. So it would seem the rule of thumb is that when Bogut gets a bizarre strain or sprain of his leg, then he's likely to come back way ahead of schedule. It happened before the 06/07 season, and now it's happening again. Bogut was injured on November 18th but is slated to return just 12 days and six games later, two days sooner than even the optimistic side of the 2-4 week estimate initially given. And it couldn't happen at a better time, as the Bucks have been getting crushed on the glass and have been a mostly one-dimensional jump-shooting team in his absence. Jennings might be the flash, but Bogut would appear to still be the Bucks' most indispensable player. He played well even while struggling with the back injury that eventually shelved him last season, so I'd guess he'll be a big boost even if he's not quite hitting on all cylinders. Jim Paschke has more below:
Luck? Both teams will be entering the evening on four game losing streaks--the Bulls having lost four in a row on a Western swing, while the Bucks dropped the last three on their Western trip before falling on Saturday night by a bucket to the East-leading Magic. One big difference between the clubs? How they're losing. Thanks to a handful of close losses, the Bucks' actual record is slightly below the record you'd project based purely from their points for and against (.533 vs. .555). The Bulls on the other hand haven't just been losing--they've been losing big. So while their 6-8 (.429) mark has them tied with Indiana for the 8th spot in the East, their projected record based on scoring differential is near the bottom of the league (.276)--with only Minnesota (1-15) and New Jersey (0-17) worse. Fittingly, their last four losses came by margins of 19, 24, 19, and 15 points, respectively.
Of course, that's not the end of the story. One reason why the Bulls' differential is so ugly has to do with their schedule. Per ESPN, the Bulls' schedule has been the third toughest in the league thus far, while the Bucks still have the weakest opponent winning percentage in the league. We'll see what it means tomorrow night, but this is definitely the most winnable game in the next five (Chi, @Was, @Det, Cle, @Bos). So if the Bucks are going to snap their losing streak, tomorrow's the logical place to start.
Injuries. Both teams will be missing key rotation players: Bogut and likely Mbah a Moute and Redd for the Bucks, and Tyrus Thomas and Kirk Hinrich for Chicago. Hinrich hurt his left thumb in practice last week and missed their game on Thanksgiving Day, and is expected to see a specialist Monday to determine the full extent of the damage. It also seems that Michael Redd will miss a second straight game as he tries to get his left knee "right." Per Charles Gardner:
"When you play in game motion, you really find out if you're ready or not," Redd said in the Bucks locker room before Saturday's game. "Explosion is not there yet, and it's obvious. Just not finishing, not getting above the rim.
"I noticed it last night and I was able to tell the trainers, 'We need to get this right before I get back.' We're going to work towards it. Let's get it stronger and get it right."
If Redd is waiting until he becomes an above-the-rim player this could take a while. Like forever. But especially with Bogut returning, there's no sense in rushing Redd back before he's ready to go. We saw that Redd at half speed doesn't make the Bucks a better team, so now the question becomes how long it takes him to get closer to full speed--and what "full" speed means at this point.
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Will Jennings/Rose compare to the Redd/Gordon shootouts of years past?
I sure hope so…
by chapuforyou on Nov 30, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bogut's return will help
I think we’re seeing that Jennings can’t do it alone, so getting his go-to post guy back is a monster boost.
What’s interesting is that Rose really hasn’t been an explosive scorer—instead he’s just very consistent. Aside from the 36-point game he dropped against the Celtics in the playoffs, he’s never scored more than 28 in a regular season game. Meanwhile, Jennings has already done it three times in 15 games (55, 32, and 29).
Sounds like Rose is finally starting to play better after his ankle injury slowed him early in the season, which put a major damper on the BJ/DR matchup in Chicago. Rose didn’t really do anything until a few P&R jumpers in the fourth in that game.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Bogut's starting over Gazuricahgnch!
Remember that game against the Bulls back in December ‘08? Dan had 11 pts 14 rebs 3 blks in 21 minutes. The guy’s only gotten better since then; I’m expecting Dwight Howard numbers tonight.
by chapuforyou on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan's only scratched the surface of his potential!
Sky’s the limit.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the OT
I actually planned to post a FanPost, but there is limit of two such posts every day. And as I plan to gather info from all NBA teams it would take me two weeks waiting it out. Here is the text of the intended FanPost:
Hi,
I normally live on Athletics Nation SB Blog and I ventured this little jump to your site because I am doing a little research on left-handers in sports and can not find a place where such NBA data is available. So, I thought, who would know this better than the fan community?
I will post this FanPost on every SB Nation NBA site with the same plea for help. Namely, could you list your team’s roster with an indication for each player whether he is a left-hander or right-hander? A uniform format would help me process the data later, so please use the following:
Player Name – LH
or
Player Name – RH
Thanks very much in advance!
Have a glove you could spare for a good cause? If so please let me know
by elcroata on Nov 30, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cool, let us know what you find
Joe Alexander – RH
Charlie Bell - RH
Andrew Bogut – RH
Carlos Delfino – RH
Francisco Elson – RH
Dan Gadzuric – RH
Ersan Ilyasova – RH
Brandon Jennings – LH
Luc Mbah a Moute – RH
Jodie Meeks – RH
Michael Redd – LH
Luke Ridnour – RH
Kurt Thomas – RH
Roko Ukic – RH
Hakim Warrick – RH
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot Frank!
That’s perfect. I will gladly post a summary here.
Have a glove you could spare for a good cause? If so please let me know
by elcroata on Dec 1, 2009 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prognosticators Unite!
Well I think everyone knows the game is going to come down to whether Jalapeno Pargo gets hot. But seriously, Rose-Jennings, the next four-six years, electric.
I think tonight we see whether Jennings or Rose has a bigger heart.
Also…Ersan v. Taj Gibson. I’m a big USC fan but I never really thought Taj Gibson would ever be starting his rookie season. I know about T-Squared but seriously, they couldn’t shift Noah to the four and put Brad Miller’s rotting corpse in? And speaking of the Boilermaker’s rotting corpse, I’m going to venture a guess and say that he’s going to be better defended on the perimeter. And he better not rain down on us another three….from a washed-up center.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller
If I had told you that tonight, the game was going to come down to whether the former Boilermaker hit an open shot from the perimeter, would you have said “Let Brad Miller shoot”? Me too. Atrocious shot. He was Bibby’s playmate.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bogut back will be a huge help! Even if he doesnt contribute alot tonight just the fact of him back will help!
Anyone know of a stream for tonights game? Would love to watch Young Money slice up the Bulls!
by danesporty on Nov 30, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The usual sources have it listed...
I’ll be at the game for a change…Alex will be recapping from media row, I’ll be enjoying from section 214 for a change.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bogut wearing a wrap in his lower left leg
Couldn’t tell if that was a grimace as he ran back down the court…hope not
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 7:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Jennings v Rose
Early-on, I would give the slight edge to Jennings, but his play has been more of a h/t to his supporting cast. This is the team that was putting the hammer down on its competition early this year after Redd went out.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It’s really night and day with Bogut back. Great to see him going to work on Miller in the second. Still looks slowed by the injury a bit.
Lindsey Hunter looks as fat as Damon Jones last year.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 7:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Keep going inside!
Bucks look awesome when they keep going inside to Bogut. Terrible when they settle for early outside shots.
Also Charlie Bell is playing pretty good at both ends.
by AiRPoD on Nov 30, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Salmons and Deng giving Bucks' smaller defenders problems
So Skiles brings in Meeks to guard Deng. Natch.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Luc Richard
And so begins my rant about how the Prince would be reigning the painting with Ersan and Bogut/Thomas.
Still, Jennings looks to be creating for others instead of himself (benefitting Chuck Bell). The Ersan/Hakim tandem looks to be a mainstay this year. And Delfino is firing up shots that Redd would otherwise be chucking. Bucks basketball.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bogut is making a difference
That’s pretty shocking.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Meeks is finally finding his shot
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Nov 30, 2009 8:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng Steal
I still don’t think he deserves minutes after that. Again, Luc Richard would have gone bulldog on that rebound. Meeks lived up to his namesake.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Block by Bogut!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*2!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody called on 3QC called Milwaukee a soccer crowd
Now I understand exactly what they meant.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ouch @ the Salmons 3
Ouch.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Big FT's BJ3!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he’s not playing great, but he’s still had ice water late in games
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee dodged a major bullet
Bell is very lucky that Miller didn’t make that shot. (What a crappy shot by B52 as well.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Irrational fear unnecessary after all
I assumed Brad Miller was going to tie it somehow, even without knowing whether or not he was on the court.
by TheJay on Nov 30, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
22 points, 15 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 assists, 3 steals
Pretty good nights work for Bogut.
by AiRPoD on Nov 30, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is that All-Star level play?
Me thinks yes. Especially since that block on Deng might have ended up being the difference in the game.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might?
It completely re-charged the team after the Bulls had made their comeback. A bit of “Don’t worry guys. I’m behind you. I am Mr. Wolf.”
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
by ILuvDaBush on Nov 30, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
I hope Bogut makes the All-Star team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the dude could just stay healthy...
Big if, but he’s certainly on his way if he keeps playing like this. I think he’s at 19/11 for the month. Anyone who thinks Bogut isn’t the Bucks most valuable/irreplaceable/important player is nuts.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Bogut is an All-Star when he's healthy
That isn’t my opinion; it’s simple fact. That block he made on Salmons saved the game IMO.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Wolf never would have been able to pull that off
by richardhkirkando on Dec 1, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big ups to Bell
You kinda knew he was going to brick one of those late free throws, but he worked his ass off defending Rose in the fourth. Rose was just taking it at Jennings, but I’m not sure if he got another bucket once Bell started guarding him. And while Bell also had a lot of misses, he seemed to get stuck with the ball a lot late in the clock. He’s my second star of the night after Bogut.
by Frank Madden on Nov 30, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Irrationally Hyperbolic Post
Brandon Jennings Rookie of the Year and Andrew Bogut MVP!
The beauty of having Bogut back is that Skiles sits Gadzuric all game and doesn’t tinker with crazy lineups. Bogut brings sanity and clarity to the Bucks.
by MadTown Hoops on Nov 30, 2009 11:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So true
And when we need points, we have a go-to option. Not a perfect one—all those missed free throws being exhibit A—but it’s not like anyone else can create quality shots for themselves with the old Redd being gone.
by Frank Madden on Dec 1, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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