Sessions please.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 25, 2009 2:45 PM CST
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PrintFirst of all. Every Milwaukeean should sue "Miwaukee's Best" brewing company for selling the crappiest beer, and giving you all a bad name. I tasted that beer, and the first thing that came to my mind was, "The people of Milwaukee are better than that, and they deserve better."
Secondly, raise your pints. I come bearing valuable trinkets in the open palm of trade negotiation.
The Warriors need a legitimate over-sized point guard to complement their plethora of guards and forwards. Sessions is a perfect fit, but he is up for his Gilbert Arenas FA this summer. As it stands you guys seem pretty close to the cap, but given his play it seems reasonable that room would be made for him.
The Warriors have a lot of individually productive contracts that just don't add up to much (Azubuike, Belinelli, Turiaf is a great contract, Wright could be productive).
What would it take to get Sessions on the Warriors in an offseason sign-and-trade? How could we sweeten the pot?
Given the Warriors' logjam of guards I will field just about any option, but I don't know the dynamics of your team and fanbase. So please, enlighten me.
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Too expensive for the Warriors...
I think any trade would have to be Wright and either Morrow, Belenelli, or Randolph, which obviously is a lot. I don’t think the Bucks would do it for Wright and a second round pick, they’d keep Sessions and find a way to clear salary another way. For the most part, all four of those players are too unknown to trade for straight-up considering the showing Sessions has had this year. Obviously it would depend on what Sessions is resigned for with the need to trade salaries.
You would be surprised how much the Warriors are willing (or have) to let go of.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 25, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Would you be willing to part with any of those three pairs?
by Brewcityhoya13 on Feb 26, 2009 2:18 AM CST up reply actions
Would you take BWright and Belinelli?
I have been impressed with Belinelli’s play especially before he went down with an ankle injury. (he is back now). He has really been more aggressive on both defense and offensively. He still has alot to work on but he definitely has shown alot of improvement since last year. He is a lot more comfortable now, understands the game a lot better, pretty good facilitator, and has a smooth shot.
BWright has improved as well. Pretty good offensive game, is long, and is a good shot blocker. He needs more work in rebounding and weakside help (but our whole team sucks on team defense.)
I love both Wright and Rocky Belinelli on our team, but if i were the Warriors GM, I would do that in a heartbeat for Sessions.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 26, 2009 2:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'm conflicted
I really like Brandan Wright. I wanted him to be the pick over Yi Jianlian so I’d really like to see what he can do with consistant playing time and Belinelli has a ton of talent but I’m not sure if I’d do that trade for Sessions considering I’d much rather have the three of them on the same team. All this just gets us back to needing to unload Redd or Jefferson, which everyone already knows. The way it looks is that the Bucks will let CV walk and keep Sessions.
by Brewcityhoya13 on Feb 26, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
In all honesty.
You guys should keep Sessions.
For some reason I get the vibe that the Bucks favor Ridnour more.
I know it doesn’t come down to Ridnour or Sessions, but it seemed Sessions got singled out in the beginning of the season. How is that possible?
At least have him as your backup PG to Ridnour. But he wasn’t even that. Just simply out of the backup plan.
Not sure what your take was in the beginning of the year. Were u furious? Like I said before….I do like Ridnour’s game but I would take Sessions over him.
That’s why some of us Warrior fans on GSoM wanted Sessions from the way he was treated in the beginning of this season. It was like…
Okay. If you feel like you don’t need a quality PG in Sessions, please send him over to the Dubs where we would have gladly utilized him and where he could have contributed tremendously.
Maybe I shoulda said something on this Bucks Blog along time ago and maybe someone would have noticed it. Too late now.
Good luck with your squad and I hope continued success for Sessions with you folks. Hope you guys don’t ever disrespect him again.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 27, 2009 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, Rome.
I don’t know all the reasons behind Sessions’ inconsistent PT at the beginning of the year, but in general Skiles seems to have a thing for Ridnour—I think it’s just a matter of him being fairly predictable and defensively consistent. Sessions is still learning the game to some extent and Skiles doesn’t always have a ton of patience, especially when a guy makes mistakes on defense. The crazy part is that I wouldn’t be completely surprised if Skiles went back to starting Ridnour at some point between now and the end of the year, which would be just stupid.
I like Wright and Randolph, though I don’t think Hammond or Skiles are the types who will go out of their way to acquire young guys who they will need to develop. One thing that bothers me a little about the current regime is that they seem to have a clear preference for known quantities, which is driven in part by the fact that there’s a lot of pressure on the organization to win games now and get fans interested in again. But more than anything this team needs more talent, and taking a chance on youngsters is the cheapest way to do that.
by Frank Madden on Feb 27, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
All very valid points.
Couldn’t agree with you more when you said: The crazy part is that I wouldn’t be completely surprised if Skiles went back to starting Ridnour at some point between now and the end of the year, which would be just stupid.
You also said: One thing that bothers me a little about the current regime is that they seem to have a clear preference for known quantities, which is driven in part by the fact that there’s a lot of pressure on the organization to win games now and get fans interested in again.
It bothers me as well and I think it’s sad.
I could understand what the coaches are going through because alot of good coaches get fired when they don’t even deserve to basically for the point that you made of pressure and demand from certain teams.
With alot of great young Stars we have in the league like CP3, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, etc…I think the NBA has a bright future for the for grasping the interest of basketball fans.
But that’s just me. I love basketball and watching those type of players (besides my dedication to watching the Warriors) is all I need to keep my interested.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 27, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Typo: *keep me interested
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 27, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote a poll before the season here at Brew Hoop asking who should start at point guard for Milwaukee.
I called for Sessins to start at the end of the post. And as you see, Sessions won the vote, although not overwhelmingly. And then Sessions didn’t play the first two games of the year. Pretty wild stuff.
But yes, BrewHoopers have supported Sessions pretty much ever since he was brought up last spring.
Please add ROMESdavidWOOD37 of GSoM as the 211 vote for...
Romes Sessions as your starting point guard for the Milwaukee Bucks 2008-09 season predated for Aug. 17, 2008. (10:37pm EST)
Great article Alex. You, Frank, BrewCit and the other Session supporters for your team deserve to keep him with your team.
You definitely have two good PGs on your squad but I favor Sessions the most like you (and as you can tell with my blabbering mouth about Ram-Sesh).
My point is, a better negotiations for both teams is to have one solid PG and good inbetweener guards balanced out to help both of us.
Imagine having a Ridnour/ CJ Watson on your team. or Ridnour/ Crawford on your team.
As I said before, I do like both players in Ridnour and Sessions. I think it kinda works with having Ridnour at point and Sessions at the 2 at the same time, but they are two pure PGs trying to contribute for the sake of chemistry.
The same can be said about the Dubs with 37 SG/SFs (sarcastic number in 37) trying to be a pass first no im not selfish natural shooting off guards at 6’3 or 6’6.
I honestly believe we can solve our problems with a trade.
I actually was a big individual player fan of Charlie Bell back in the 2006-2007 season.
At 6’3 he seems to play bigger than his actual physical size, can shoot the 3, and seems to have an all around game in grabbin boards,droppin dimes, and playing decent defense.
I think if he could be consistent with his game, a solid top lineup for you guys would be Ridnour-1, Bell-2, Redd-3, Jefferson/Chuck V-4, Bogut-5(healthy of course).
The concentration here would be the Charlie Bell and Ridnour combo.
Bell has been doing pretty good this season in the past 10 games with averages of 14.7 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.0 STLPG, .4 BPG and shooting 44% from 3PT land.
If Chuck Bell could keep this up consistently, him, Ridnour, Redd and Bogut could be a something oppossing teams can’t overlook.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Mar 2, 2009 3:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm particular to Randolph, but I can't say about the organization.
Pretty much any two players. I forgot to include Azubuike in that bunch, but yeah the Warriors would definitely do just about any combination of two youngsters.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 26, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I’d say the odds of Sessions being signed and traded are extremely low…you really don’t see that with RFAs. Joe Johnson is the only guy I can recall being in that situation, and that was unique given the Hawks were desperate to throw as much money as they could at him, so the Suns decided to do the S/T to get something out of it. But Sessions can’t get a first year offer more than the MLE anyway, so it’s not all that comparable.
If someone wants him I’d expect they’ll just give him an offer sheet rather than approach the Bucks about a S/T—everyone knows the Bucks are pinched financially so someone might challenge their resolve. And if Sessions signs an offer sheet then he can’t be signed and traded anyway. Either the Bucks match and keep him or they let him walk. I could see them letting CV walk but my guess is they’ll keep Sessions in spite of their financial issues. You can certainly make good arguments for keeping either guy, but if they want to stay under the tax then they’ll have to choose.
In general it’s also tough to sign-and-trade RFAs because they usually become BYC with their new deal. For a good explanation of all that, you can read more here:
Thanks for your input Frank and Brew.
Also, thanks Warrior Nuck for posting this.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 26, 2009 2:22 AM CST reply actions
How tight is the Buck's financial situation?
Portland fan here.
The Blazers are going to have between $8-15 million in cap space this year. At what price does Buck’s ownership just decide to put tail between legs, let Ramon walk, and sign CV for cheap? I could easily see the Blazers offering Ramon a 5 year $40 million dollar deal, or thereabouts.
Even with Miles' back on the books?
Because of the Miles situation, my impression was that the Blazers wouldn’t have real space to use unless they let go of both Blake and Outlaw. Not sure how likely they are to do that, but even so they can’t offer Sessions a first-year salary of more than the MLE ($5.6 million) because of the Arenas rule. With cap space they could put in an escalator in the third season, though I’m not sure what that would look like. I’d guess a max MLE deal would be something in he ballpark of five years, $33 million.
by Frank Madden on Feb 28, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
$8-9 million with Miles on books
and a further $6.5-7 million if they don’t pickup the team options on Outlaw or Blake. So we’ve got about $15 million in potential cap space. Point guard and backup PF are where we could use the biggest improvement. Darius just made it so we have to get rid of good players (Blake + Outlaw) to get the amount of maneuverability we want/need.
Interesting Question
I am not sure what they are going to do with Sessions but my hope would be that they would resign him and let CV walk if they must. While GS has some nice young players I don’t really see them fitting what the Bucks are working for. I agree that acquiring young talent is the cheapest and easiest way to find good players, I just don’t see any of the young talent that GS has fitting the plans of Hammond and Skiles.
My thoughts that even though they have been erratic with Sessions playing time that they would be more inclined to keep him since he actually plays defense and has shown the makings of a starting quality PG.
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