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How much do the Bucks want Ramon Sessions back?

We've been wondering for months what the Bucks' strategy would be regarding Ramon Sessions, and I can't say I'm feeling all too optimistic these days--at least not as much as I was when the season ended.  Earlier this week Tom Enlund rolled out an article on the Bucks' financial predicament, which from John Hammond's frequent quotations read kind of like a warning to fans: this summer could get ugly.

"I think any team around the NBA would say that if we are a team at the threshold of the luxury tax or exceeds the tax, then we want to have a championship-caliber team. And if you're not, then I think you have to re-evaluate where you're at. We could be a team in that position. We're looking forward to having a good year and making the playoffs (next season), but every step along the way, through the good and the bad, we have to keep a very close eye on our salary structure."

There's not a single debatable thing in that quote, but the question then becomes whether the Bucks' have their priorities straight. Michael Redd ($17.04 million) could have been traded to the Cavs for a package of expiring deals a year ago.  Richard Jefferson ($14.2 million) reportedly could have been dumped in a similar deal at the deadline. Admittedly, no one was predicting the tax to fall a year ago, but the Bucks have still had chances to shed salary since the economic situation became more bleak.

And if the Bucks did prefer to keep their older, talented, and rather overpaid wings over Sessions, then how much do they regret turning down the Grizzlies' offer of Mike Conley for Sessions and Joe Alexander?  I can't say I was a big fan of that trade (though this was before both Sessions and Conley finished the year strongly), but mainly because I was hoping for a Jefferson-for-expirings deal.  That would have freed up more than enough space to re-sign Sessions and a full-MLE free agent.  Villanueva or Ersan Ilyasova also would have filled the bill, especially given that CV may not find a huge market for his services this summer.  Either way, you'd have the chance to retain a number of young contributors for reasonable amounts--a phrase that doesn't apply to the Bucks' big name wings. 

As it stands now, the Bucks will have just $3 million under the tax assuming a) the threshold is the perhaps-optimistic $71 million and b) they keep both of their draft picks.  Not good.  So what will become of Sessions?  Because Bird rights--the ability of a team to go over the cap to re-sign free agents--only apply to players who have played at least three seasons, the Bucks can't pay Sessions whatever he wants.  Sessions' affordability (and the ability of the Bucks to retain him) is essentially guaranteed by the CBA's so-called Arenas rule, which prevents other teams from offering a player with two or fewer yeas in the NBA more than the mid-level exception (likely between $5.5 and 6.0 million next year) as a first year salary.  All teams have the MLE every year, so the most the Bucks can offer Sessions would be an MLE-level deal.  A team with cap space could offer more, but they wouldn't be able to boost the salary above the MLE until the third year of the contract (it's a weird loophole and I don't think it's ever been used). And even if that happens, the Bucks can match the offer and keep Sessions.

What makes me scratch my head isn't that the Bucks might not be willing to break the bank for Sessions--as we've seen with Gadzuic, Mo Williams, and Michael Redd, the rationality of paying to keep talent no matter the price has its limits.  Rather, it's a bit odd that the Bucks aren't even trying to scare teams away from making him an offer. 

In restricted free agency it's all about marking your territory by saying you'll match any offers and then watching other teams decide to spend their time elsewhere.  With so many deals happening in the first weeks of free agency, there's a fair amount of risk in pinning your hopes on signing another team's RFA.  For instance, if Sessions signs an offer sheet at the beginning of free agency, the Bucks can let a week go by before they have to decide whether or not they want to match it.   If you're courting a number of possible PGs, that week's worth of waiting could leave you out in the cold if the Bucks allow the full seven days to go by and then match the deal. 

But that demands you actually make teams think you might match.  Right now, the Bucks seem weirdly non-committal but hopeful on the Sessions front, and I can't figure out a compelling argument for why, unless they just truly don't think Sessions is worth making a priority (possible, though weird considering their current roster).  On the one hand, it' not like the Bucks' tax issues are a trade secret, but the Bucks don't have to broadcast their unwillingness to go over the tax threshold, either.  I much prefer the strategy Utah is taking with Paul Millsap:

The Jazz, Miller said in a reiteration of comments made previously from within the organization, will do whatever it takes to retain restricted free agent Paul Millsap — even if their player payroll was pushed beyond $71 million and into tax territory because starting power forward Carlos Boozer, starting center Mehmet Okur and backup shooting guard Kyle Korver all were to decide against becoming free agents this offseason.

"If we need to," Miller told KSL-TV Ch. 5's Tom Kirkland, "we would not rule out paying luxury-tax money in order to keep him on the team."

It's not without its risk--the Jazz will have a lot of explaining to do if they reverse course and let Millsap walk for financial reasons.  And providing a player with such overflowing praise can erode your negotiating stance as well.  Still, this has been standard operating procedure for most teams and it's helped limit RFAs' salaries to well below what comparable unrestricted free agents have gotten.

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All the uncertainty about Sessions also seems to be manifesting itself in mock drafts, which have been consistently mentioning point guards at #10.  DraftExpress and Chad Ford both seem to be following the same lead on the Sessions story, projecting Syracuse PG Jonny Flynn will go to the Bucks at #10 (DX has video of Flynn working out at Tim Grover's gym down in Chicago if you're interested). 

I don't really have anything in particular against Flynn, but it just seems a bit weird to me that he's now clearly ahead of Ty Lawson on all the draft boards.  He's a year younger (and a better dunker) but otherwise what's not to like about Lawson?  Both guys are smallish, but Lawson's scoring efficiencies (especially from three) and better care of the ball--not to mention the fact that he's led a team to a title--would seem to make him the safer pick.  Instead DX has the Sixers getting Lawson at 17 and Ford has the Hawks stealing him at 19.  I'll never claim to be a draft guru, but aren't people starting to overthink things a bit?  

Fortunately, the Bucks seem to be having better luck scheduling workouts than they did a year ago, when essentially no one outside of Joe Alexander and Anthony Randolph seemed interested in being a Buck.  Not surprisingly, most of the potential first rounders on their list are at positions of need--point and power forward.  Jrue Holiday, Jonny Flynn, Earl Clark and Ty Lawson have all said they expect to work out for the Bucks while DeJuan Blair is currently scheduled to be in Milwaukee on June 11.  Gery Woelfel writes that the Bucks also interviewed Jordan Hill in Chicago, while Lawson will be in town on June 22 and Holiday June 10.  Unfortunately there's been no mention of DeMar DeRozan, who'll probably be gone by the time the Bucks pick anyway, but would be the best chance at finding an elite talent.

Whatever happens on draft night, it will likely tip the Bucks' hand when it comes to free agency.  If the 10th pick is a power forward (ie Blair...or Hill if his stock plummets) then that would seem to finally seal Charlie Villanueva's exit and preclude the return of Ersan Ilyasova.  It would also make losing Sessions a much bigger blow considering the Bucks would have just Ridnour, Salim Stoudamire (yikes) and Charlie Bell to split minutes at the point. 

If the pick is a PG, then it doesn't automatically mean Sessions is a goner--afterall, the Bucks could move Ridnour for a stopgap PF and allow the new rookie to initially back up Sessions.  But given the way the Bucks are talking about potentially drafting for need, seeing a PG called would certainly confirm some suspicions that the Bucks are not as high on Sessions as many of us fans are.  In that case, the $3 million left under the tax could be used to bring back Ilyasova as a cheaper replacement for Villanueva in the PF rotation.

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I think its pretty clear the Bucks do not value Sessions the way many fans do. I realize that he is a glimmer of hope at an important position but Sessions still hasn’t played an entire year of consistent basketball. He had an awful start to training camp, played poorly during pre season, and was outplayed by Ridnour during the first half of the season. He did have a terrific second half but the team was depleted by injuries at that point and his statistics during this time frame could be misleading. I think there are a lot more question marks surrounding Sessions than many people are acknowledging.

It seems one of the Bucks main priorities this offseason is finding a way to bring back Ersan even at the expense of resigning Sessions or Villanueva. All of the JS press points towards this happening.

Personally I have no problems in letting Villa and Ramon walk. It isn’t like either player is a rock solid building block for a playoff team. At some point the Bucks need to realize that letting players walk for nothing is better than signing them to a contract that you will regret in the future. Even if it is with these two players who could be had for less combined than what they pay for Dan G. per year.

by merwin on May 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that every guy has a price and where the Bucks have hurt themselves is by not being able to let a guy walk rather than overpay him. It’s happened with Tim Thomas, Redd, Mo, Gadzuric, etc. I think the best move might be giving Sessions a two to three year deal, allowing him a crack at unrestricted free agency sooner and allowing the Bucks a lower risk in case he doesn’t improve while also giving them the freedom to trade Ridnour. In that scenario he can’t make more than the MLE anyway (per the CBA), which I don’t think would be a big risk given what we’ve seen. Even if he’s not a franchise cornerstone guy, he’s certainly a better PG than anyone else on the roster and a reasonable contract wouldn’t hamstring you down the road.

I think CV is gone, and I’m not sure that has a whole lot to do with his price tag. I just don’t think the Bucks like his defense enough, though I personally think he’d be a really good value at his QO ($4.6 million). I understand the Bucks don’t want to commit a lot of long-term dollars to him, but in the right role I think he certainly makes you a better team. But with so few dollars to go around I don’t think Charlie is the guy who they’ll want to go with.

I agree the tealeaves suggest Ilyasova could be the stopgap—or at least another body in a PF rotation with Luc, Joe, Allen (gulp), and even Elson/Gadz. For a couple million you wouldn’t need Ersan to be a stud, just a guy who can stick open threes, work his ass off on defense, and rebound at a solid rate.

by Frank Madden on May 30, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couple of things:
- I presume the Bucks are being so wishy washy about Sessions because the draft is chock full o’ PG goodness. Talking him up when there’s a glut at that position could end up causing the Bucks to end up bidding against themselves more than anything, so why not let the market decide his value in light of plentiful cheaper alternatives?
- Are Ersan’s rights a trade-able commodity? If so, might bundling him with RJ or Ridnour make a trade more palatable?

by swilldog on May 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Swill, I think that’s a very valid point and I’m hoping you’re right. As of now there’s no guarantee they’ll even keep the 10th pick, so depending on what they do on draft night they might change their stance quickly if they don’t get a PG.

On Ilyasova, as long as the Bucks make him a qualifying offer each summer he technically becomes a RFA, so he’s no different than Sessions (both have about a $1 million QO) in that sense. Since he’s not under contract they can’t trade their rights to him, but they could do a sign-and-trade. I kind of doubt that happens, but you never know. If the Bucks had drafted Ilyasova but he never came to the NBA, then they would only have his draft rights, in which case they could trade those rights.

Given the amount of money Ersan can make in Europe, coming back to the NBA for a couple million per year isn’t a no-brainer. But the Bucks have an advantage there—they know him better than anyone else, his wife is from Wisconsin and he still has a house here. I certainly wouldn’t be shocked if the Bucks drafted a PG and then signed Ilyasova to a $2-3 million deal to cover the PF spot.

by Frank Madden on May 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great write-up. I love this blog; its my only real lifeline to the Bucks out here.

As merwin said, its clear the team doesn’t fully value Sessions. I’m steeling myself for a future without him.

by SoCalBucksFan on May 30, 2009 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks SCBF—I agree that at this point the best strategy is probably assuming the worst and hoping for the best. What’s tough to figure out is why the Bucks wouldn’t have traded him at the deadline if they didn’t want to re-sign him. So maybe they’re more interested than they’re letting on.

by Frank Madden on May 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade the Pick

This is supposed to be a weak draft anyway. I’m sure teams with rich owners (dallas and portland) will be looking to buy a pick and draft a point guard in the late lottery, since there are many options. If we were able to sell the pick, then the best option would be to resign Sessions and bring over llyasova. It’s always difficult to trust a rookie in a starting role, but I’d rather have one that has plenty of experience playing at a high level in Europe over one who played just one or two years in college. We’ll see how it plays out, but at this point, there is no doubt in my mind that I’d rather keep Sessions than Villanueva. V is a soft post player, who doesn’t rebound, play defense, or shoot a high percentage. We already have people to score the ball (or at least shoot it) in Redd, Jefferson, and Bogut, so we need to have a player to get them the ball. Besides, point guard is the most important position in basketball.

As far as the draft prospects, I couldn’t disagree more about the Flynn vs. Lawson discussion. I realize that Lawson played extremely well in the tournament and led his team to a title, but I still don’t believe in his passing abilities. In college, he was able to run past everyone, get to the hoop, and finish with relative ease. In the nba, he’ll need to show more control and better court vision. Flynn is a savy player who can get into the paint and find people. He ran the Syracuse offense very effectively, and shows not only playmaking ability, but also leadership and swagger. His attitude reminds me of Chris Paul, and I believe that Flynn could be the steal of the draft.

However, the safest pick at number 10 would have to be Dejuan Blair. He is going to contribute immediately with his toughness and rebounding, two qualities which the Bucks sorely lack.

by Appleby_15 on May 30, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

10th pick

i have to very much agree with appleby in what he closed out on… that it’ll be a show down pick between Blair and Flynn. Both have great character, work hard, hustle and have drive. Hard choice…

by spartakus on May 31, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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