Euroleague Final Four: Quiet weekend for Ilyasova
Ersan Ilyasova has been one of the major reasons for Barcelona's ascension back into the European basketball elite, but you wouldn't have known from this weekend. Ersan managed just two points and five boards in 13 minutes of Barca's 82-78 semifinal loss to defending champs CSKA Moscow, and then added seven points and three boards in 10 minutes as Barca bounced back to thrash Olympiacos 95-79 in the third place game.
Ersan's minutes were limited both by foul trouble and the terrific play of Aussie teammate David Andersen, who was sensational playing in yet another Euroleague Final Four. Andersen scored 24 against his former club on Friday before leading Barca with 20 against Olympiacos, who incidentally got 19 from former Buck Lynn Greer.
Overall it's been an up-and-down couple of week for Ilyasova, who had a huge 24/13 effort in a loss to Spanish leaders TAU Ceramica in Barcelona's last game before heading to Berlin for the Euro finals. What are the chances Ilyasova is back in Milwaukee? That depends on a few things:
1) The fate of the current roster. Ilyasova's not a banger per se but he's developed into a scrappy, hard-nosed player who can hit threes and will get to more than his share of rebounds (he's currently third in the Spanish league in boards). In other words, if Charlie Villanueva signs elsewhere then the Bucks could certainly use a guy like Ersan as cover at the 4. Then again, with Luke Ridnour and Richard Jefferson on the trading block, there's at least a chance that the Bucks could acquire a power forward help through a trade. Still, I wouldn't expect the Bucks to acquire a long-term starter that way unless they're willing to take on a long-term deal and/or give up more than just Ridnour or RJ.
2) The draft. Unfortunately it doesn't look like there will be a ton of options at the PF spot when the Bucks pick, in all likelihood at the 10th spot. Ignoring consensus number one pick Blake Griffin, you've got the possibly overrated Jordan Hill projected in the top five, tweener Earl Clark in the late lottery, Pitt's beast DeJuan Blair in the middle of the first, and a slew of eye-of-the-beholder types who could go anywhere thereafter.
I'm kind of intrigued by Kentucky's Patrick Patterson, but pretty much everyone has major question marks. Patterson appears a bit short at 6'8", but he's supposed to have a 7'2" wingspan and he was very productive as a post player at UK. Blair is probably the most intriguing guy because he was the most productive player in college basketball last season, pulling down an incredible 12.3 rpg in just 27 mpg. But he's listed at 6'7" and 265, so the obvious question is how well his numbers will translate against bigger, more athletic guys who can't be bullied quite so easily.
As I mentioned on Thursday, point guard is where the draft's real depth appears to be. If the Bucks take a chance on a player like Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, or Stephen Curry, then it would likely lower the amount they'd be willing to give Ramon Sessions, who could be offered a starting salary of up to the MLE from another team. And if the Bucks take their PG of the future in the lottery, what becomes of Sessions? If they let him walk (yikes) then they'd have money to spend on Ilyasova (see below).
3) How much does Ilyasova want to be in the NBA? Even if the Bucks let both Villanueva and Sessions walk, the odds are the Bucks will not have much to offer Ilyasova--especially given that he'll probably command $3-4 million net of taxes from European clubs.
Assuming Francisco Elson and Malik Allen take their 09/10 player options and Salim Stoudamire's deal is guaranteed at the minimum, the Bucks will have $65.296 million committed to 11 guys. Add in the max rookie scale number of the 10th pick in the draft ($2.259 million) and you're at $67.556 million. If the tax threshold stays at $71 million (possibly the best case scenario right now) that leaves only $3.44 million to sign Sessions, Ilyasova, and anyone else for that matter, like the Bucks' second round pick. Which is probably why the Bucks are being so non-commital about their ability to bring back Sessions--and why they should be doing everything they can to convince Elson and Allen that greener pastures await them in free agency (doubful).
If Ersan just wants to make money then staying in Europe seems an obvious choice. But if he wants to be in the NBA then how much of a discount is he willing to take? If the Bucks take a PF in the draft then I don't see the Bucks having any interest to begin with--not for now at least--but if they take a point guard and are willing to wave goodbye to Sessions they could certainly make an offer.
But is $2 or $3 million enough considering that's pre-tax and Ilyasova could make just as much after tax in Europe? Keep in mind his wife is from Milwaukee and he still has a house here, not to mention that Dave Babcock drafted him and John Hammond has now traveled to see him a couple times. I'm guessing he'll once again be back working out at the Cousins Center this summer, but whether he again dons a Bucks jersey remains very unclear.
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Maybe Blair Deserves a Second Look
265 would put Blair at five pounds more than Kevin Love. In this league it seems that bulk and motivation are more important than height in crashing the boards. Undersized but Bulky Power Forward seems like NBA code for “will outperform draft position”.
by MadTown Hoops on May 4, 2009 2:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I was holding out faint hope until the very end that Love might slip to us last year, so I definitely agree that ignoring productivity can be a huge mistake. Millsap is probably an even better example since he measured in at 6’7.25" with shoes, though he’s also a better athlete than Blair.
The thing I’m concerned is that Blair might end up being 6’6" or so with shoes, while Love was 6’7.75" w/o shoes and 6’9.5" with them. That means Love can play center on most nights, which allows him to hide his lack of mobility. Besides that, Love is a much better shooter and passer than Blair, so that’s also a factor. All that said, I think Blair has to be in the discussion—watching him manhandle a guy like Thabeet this year certainly shows he plays bigger than his height. He’s supposed to have long arms so that is probably also part of it.
by Frank Madden on May 4, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a chance that he goes top 10 though?
It will depend on his measurements, but I still have to question his ‘want’. His conditioning is not great, which leaves me wondering how much he actually wants to make a living playing basketball..
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by Scott Schroeder on May 4, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess so
It certainly seems possible he could move up if he gets in better shape and measures better than expected. If he’s smart then he’s hired a personal chef and is spending his spare time doing cardio work….Love had some of the same concerns and he got his act together for the combine. I haven’t followed him enough to have a well-grounded view of him, but I’m definitely going to follow him closely throughout the process.
by Frank Madden on May 4, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
Let Sessions sign with the Warriors and we’ll give you a first round draft pick plus Belinelli.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on May 4, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And for some reason I love visiting Brewhoop. I'm not even a bucks fan.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on May 4, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re happy to have you…well, we’ll see if I say the same thing if you steal Sessions :)
In all honesty, if the Bucks stay wishy-washy on Sessions I’d expect some team to give him an offer sheet and dare the Bucks to match it…in which case you might get Sessions without having to give anything up. But I imagine the lack of strong words from the Bucks camp (ie a definitive statement that they’ll match any offers) is mostly because they don’t know who they’ll end up with on draft night and are still hoping to dump some salary (ie Ridnour) before free agency kicks off.
by Frank Madden on May 4, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ilysasova
First, I would think you’d want him to stay in Europe because if he becomes productive, that’s impossible to type on a nightly basis.
Anyway, I only watched highlights of him this season, but he doesn’t seem like much of a power forward. A ‘forward’, yes, but lacking the power. Wouldn’t Bogut be quite a bit better with somebody else that can do something in the post as well, rather than just getting hustle boards?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 4, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ilyasova’s 6’9" or 6’10" with a good wingspan and standing reach. He’s not strong enough to bang consistently with bruiser PFs, but there aren’t many of those left now anyway.
I think the Bucks’ dream PF would be:
1) Able to shoot threes and stretch the floor, since Bogut is exclusively a post player. All things being equal I’d rather have a guy who can knock down open jumpers than a guy who can only score within five feet of the hoop, since that better complement Bogut’s abilities.
2) Capable of playing defense and covering mobile 4s since Bogut definitely can’t do that. Bogut can however defend against post PF like Boozer.
3) Cost $3 million or less.
4) Be a decent-to-good rebounder. The Bucks were one of the best rebounding teams in the league while Bogut was around even without a big rebounder at the 4 spot, so while that would be ideal they don’t need Reggie Evans necessarily.
Ilyasova’s definitely not perfect and his ceiling isn’t that high IMO, but unless they win the lottery or get extremely lucky I don’t see a long-term PF starter coming from this draft. So the question becomes what they can get on the cheap for the short term…in which case he becomes an option.
by Frank Madden on May 4, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sova v. Blair
Sova is how I will be referring to Illyasova. I really would rather have Blair than him. I haven’t seen him play in forever and Blair is fresh in the mind, but what about Blair did not look incredible last year? How about the way he manhandled a much bigger (though softer) Thabeet?
Blair is a terrific rebounder and will likely be so on any level.
by Jeremy Schmidt on May 4, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with that
I view Ilyasova as a fallback…if you don’t get a PF in the draft or via trade and if CV isn’t coming back, then he’s on the table. From what I’ve seen of Ersan I feel pretty comfortable saying he’s got a good chance to be a solid but not great NBA player. With Blair I don’t know…maybe he’s Millsap or maybe he’s Reggie Evans. His upside would certainly seem to be higher.
I wish I was informed enough on the draft to know who I wanted, but at this point there’s a whole mess of guys I’m not sure about.
by Frank Madden on May 4, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir Charles was 6'4"
The round mound of rebound was shooting guard height. I just feel that instincts and positioning are more important than how tall someone is.
by MadTown Hoops on May 5, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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