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S&T for Sessions that gets you a solid sf to replace Jefferson


I'm sure many of you would really like to keep Sessions and I honestly think Bucks management will do just that if the $ are around a mid-level deal. On the other hand, if the Blazers come and sign Sessions to a 4-yr deal averaging $7M would you be in favor of retaining Sessions? Would your GM and owner? I would think you would go with Ridnour and Jennings and let Sessions go for that kind of money. I know you can sign him and stay under the cap, even at $7M and maybe you would want to. I think this may be a better option for you.

S&T - Sessions for Travis Outlaw ($3.6M expiring)

Now I'm not here to convince you that Outlaw is your answer for the next decade at sf, but he's not garbage either. He's on a reasonable deal that is expiring. You would have Bird rights to retain him if you chose to or let him go after a season. He was the 3rd leading scorer on a team that won 54 games this season. He can play the 3 and the 4 (he was actually slightly better at the 4 for us, creating mismatches with other PF). For us he was instant offense off the bench. He finished 6th in 6th man of the year balloting last year, mostly because of his ability and willingness to take the big shot in the 4th quarter. He was 6 for 7 in last minute game winning shot opportunities last season. I think it was John Hollinger who voted him for 6th man of the year arguing that no other bench player had single-handedly won his team 6 games last season. By the way, he only got 1 first place vote in that balloting. On the other hand, he doesn't get nearly as many rebounds as he should considering his ability to jump out of the gym. He gets out of place on defense far too often. He is a 6-yr vet, but still very young as he came straight from High School. Super locker room guy! The biggest argument from Blazers fans against trading him is because he is the glue in that locker room and Roy's best friend. It would seem you guys have a need at the 3 with Jefferson gone. It would seem that a guy with a knack for scoring fits well with your needs right now. He's on a deal that is VERY affordable for what he brings. I know you have some young 3's, but if they show enough this coming year then you can let Outlaw go. If they don't, you'll be glad that they are not all you have.

You could almost make the case, I wouldn't really try to, that Outlaw fits your needs enough that it would be a good deal even before you consider the $$$ saved on a Sessions deal. Is there a better deal out there for the Bucks? Would you match the $7M? Would you rather just see Sessions go and not get Outlaw?

I think it makes too much sense to not happen UNLESS Blazers and Bulls decide to swing a deal that brings Hinrich to the Blazers. It is not all that unlikely that our GM likes Sessions better than Hinrich (although most Blazer fans like Hinrich's 3-pt shooting as a complement to B Roy's to helps open up the court).

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If the Blazers' Pay an average of $7 million per year for Sessions I'd be surprised.

Sessions is good. But $7 million good? Plus Outlaw really isn’t a good fit in Milwaukee unless Villanueva leaves. Those two players are almost mirrors of each other, plusses and minuses. If Milwaukee is forced into a sign and trade, there are much better options available to them.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure Sessions is worth $7M, but I would doubt Milwaukie lets him go with no compensation for much less

If a team signs Sessions for $6M per year average, that’s basically a MLE deal with normal annual pay raises. That’s a better than fair deal for a player of Sessions’ ability. If I’m GM of the Bucks I match that offer and then look to move Ridnour or Sessions for something of value. Wasn’t that the point of moving Jefferson?

I would guess that trading for Amir Johnson means they don’t plan to re-sign Villanueva. Otherwise, wouldn’t they have kept Oberto and cut him to save the $$? Villanueva’s not going to sign a 1 year deal for $3.6M so if they mirror each other talent-wise they won’t contract-wise. Outlaw looks better from that point of view. I think Villanueva has shown greater talent overall while Outlaw has shown a knack for hitting the big shot, but they do have similar skill sets.

Milwaukie doesn’t get to choose who they do a S&T with… Sessions is a free agent. He gets to choose who he signs with. Who is going to offer him a deal that is better than MLE? Make a case for a team other than the Blazers. There are only a handful of teams under the cap that can offer more than the MLE. Most of those teams just drafted PGs or are pretty set at PG. Only the Blazers are likely to offer more than the MLE. Like you say, hard to imagine the Blazers paying much more than $7M for Sessions, but I think he is the best option if Hinrich is unattainable. The Bucks might match and keep Sessions at $7M but I doubt it.

by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't the limit for sessions

the Mid-level exception because of the Arenas rule, meaning the Blazers couldn’t offer anything near 7 mil?

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by Mitchell_M on Jun 27, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MLE is not the limit for Sessions... well kind of...

Any team under the cap can sign him to a deal that averages however much they happen to be below the cap. In the Blazers case, they expect to be $7-9M under the cap so they could offer a deal that AVERAGES $7-9M.
The first year of the deal has to equal the MLE. The 2nd year is a small increase. After the 2nd year the Blazers could offer a big increase. Whatever the Blazers offer, the Bucks can match it. So for example (numbers rounded to make math easy):
1st year: $5.8M
2nd year $6.2M
3rd year: $8M
4th year: $8M
equals a 4-yr deal that averages $7M/year.

Blazers could offer more based on their available cap space and could offer a longer deal, but is Sessions worth it? I’m not sure. Sounds like some Blazer fans don’t think he’s worth $7M/year. You have to be under the cap to offer more than the MLE. Nobody under the cap is likely to make a play for Sessions other than the Blazers. I suspect Blazers would rather get Hinrich if he is available. Many Blazer fans like Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Andre Miller, Nash if Phoenix is having a fire sale. I think Sessions is the best fit if Bulls keep Hinrich.

by 52therim on Jun 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's my understanding as well, 52

Still, I kind of doubt anyone would try to S&T for Sessions—it’s probably easier to just make him a good sized offer and see if the Bucks match.

by Frank Madden on Jun 29, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think...

i think a team like the blazzers will over pay for sessions…in that case let him walk..he sure isnt worth $7 a year…let ridnour start…since him and sessions basicly have the same numbers except luke is a better shooter and ball handler…and let jennings be his back up with salim maybe gettin sum pt in there….alot of u prob didnt even know he have salim…….who is think is better than sessions anyways

by MarkE24 on Jun 30, 2009 1:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

the Blazers are the only team that might overpay for Sessions. Another team might offer him a MLE deal, but I don’t think that is being overpaid for his talent and age. I think the Bucks match a MLE deal. If I’m right it means that Sessions will either play for the Bucks or Blazers next season or be dealt in a S&T to another team.

by 52therim on Jun 30, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salim hasn’t done anything since he left Arizona, though he’s OK as a third PG.

Ridnour is the guy they’re justifiably shopping. If he’s again the starter it won’t be the end of the world, but Sessions would be decent value for an MLE deal or less, preferably for two or three years. Neither of the other two guys have come close to Sessions’ on-court productivity.

by Frank Madden on Jun 30, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you have said...

That is kind of my point. The Bucks will match a MLE deal. At least I think they should. Will they and should they match a larger deal?

by 52therim on Jul 1, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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