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Thursday Notes: Amir in Vegas, Sessions talking to Bucks, Ilyasova waiting game

  • Paschketball: Amir Johnson added to Vegas roster
    Jim Paschke's got a ton of good video from this week's practices, and in his latest upload he reports that Amir Johnson has been named today as a last-minute addition to the Bucks' Vegas team. I just got into Vegas an hour ago, so I'm pretty pumped to hear that another rotation guy--and potential starter--is going to get some burn out here. Given he's adapting to a new system and his game could still use a lot of refinement, it makes perfect sense. The addition of Johnson also means the Bucks could roll out a starting five of actual roster players: Brandon Jennings, Jodie Meeks, Luc Mbah a Moute, Joe Alexander and Amir Johnson. Add in Salim Stoudamire and the Bucks look to have a pretty good squad--though in the crapshoot of summer league it's tough to handicap these things. Last year the Bucks looked like garbage the first few games before Ramon Sessions took over during the last weekend.  UAB guard Paul Delaney was also added to the final roster as a last-minute replacemet for former Marquette guard Dominic James, who sprained his knee in practice this week.  Get better soon, Dom.

  • Paschketball: Meeks signs three-year deal.
    More Paschketball!  Second-rounders typically get two-year deals for the league minimum, with the main difference being the amount of guaranteed dollars in the deal. But for the second straight year the Bucks have done things a bit unconventionally, giving Jodie Meeks a three-year deal (terms not yet known).

    Last year the Bucks gave Luc Mbah a Moute a deal starting at $750,000--a few hundred grand over the rookie minimum--in exchange for a non-guaranteed third year at the minimum. That's looking like a stroke of genius at this point, since the Bucks will get an extra year of Mbah a Moute for next to nothing and he'll still only be a restricted free agent in the summer of 2011.Still , the specter of the luxury tax means that every dollar spent this season could matter, so paying Meeks more than the rookie minimum of $457,000 could be kinda dicey. It also would cut into the Bucks' MLE, though they don't need that to sign Sessions or Ilyasova.

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  • Gardner: Sessions update
    In some ways, no news is good news when it comes to RFAs, and there's not much happening as of yet on the Ramon Sessions front.  Charles Gardner spoke with Sessions' agent Chubby Wells (I'm not even putting it in quotes anymore), who was in town today to meet with Bucks officials:

    "We understand that it's just the process," Wells said.

    "Ramon does like Milwaukee, but we really haven't talked numbers. We'll start doing that in the next couple days."

    Among potential Sessions suitors, the Blazers are now supposedly targeting Utah RFA Paul Millsap, though my impression has been that the Jazz are unlikely to let him walk--matching any Millsap offer sheet and then trading Carlos Boozer (and his expiring deal) seems like a better long-term option.  We haven't seen any of the talented young RFAs sign an offer sheet yet, but with the pickings getting slim among UFAs we might see a team with cap space like Blazers take a chance on Millsap, David Lee or perhaps even Sessions.  The Knicks have also been mentioned as possible players for Sessions' services, but giving Grant Hill a healthy chunk of their MLE would effectively end any chance they'd have at signing any notable FAs other than their own guys (Lee and Nate Robinson). 

    The best case scenario for the Bucks is that teams like New York and Portland find alternate ways to spend their dollars, giving the Bucks all the leverage in their negotiations.  In that case it wouldn't be shocking to see Sessions get something on the order of two or three years at $3-4 million per--he's certainly worth more than that on the open market, but it's not easy coaxing an MLE offer sheet out of team when you're a RFA. 
  • Woelfel: Free agent update.  Gery Woelfel was fighting the good fight and manning the phones this week, and got this nugget from Ersan Ilyasova's awesomely-named agent:

    "Maybe Wednesday,'' Tolga Tugsavul, Ilyasova's agent, replied when his client might sign a contract. "We'll know his number on the salary cap. Then we can start negotiations.''

    Tugsavul said two other NBA teams and three European teams are courting his client. He declined to reveal the teams.

  • BUCKS.com: The Boys of Summer. 
    Truman Reed breaks down the Bucks' summer league roster with some detailed bios.

  • Hunt: Bucks ahead of curve?
    Michael Hunt has a pretty good take on the Bucks' current situation--though I'm not sure throwing Brandon Jennings to the wolves immediately is the best tactic.

    "Do I see a light? Yeah," general manager John Hammond said Thursday. "The little light is the numbers we are out from under. What kind of growing pains we'll have (next season), we don't know. Next season at this time, we'll have even more opportunities. In 2011-'12, we'll be a team with significant room. Two years from now, the sun will be shining."
  • Gardner: LRMaM, Alexander looking to up their games.
    Mbah a Moute has apparently added about 10 pounds, which could help him better defend PFs as well as finish more consistently around the hoop.  That said, he's penciled in as the starting SF right now so I'm not sure I'd want him to get too bulky.  Kelvin Sampson had some tidbits about what they're going to do with Alexander's touches in Vegas.

    "We're going to try to run more isos for him when we get to Vegas," Sampson said, referring to isolation plays.

    "When he's not scoring it or attacking the basket with the dribble, we want him to get where he can keep balls alive on the offensive glass. And when we're transitioning from defense to offense, 'sprint, rim run,' take advantage of his athletic gifts."

  • Bucks Diary: Ersan's improvement
    A few days ago I thought an Ilyasova deal was definitely happening...now, it's unclear.  Either way, Ty found some encouraging statistical developments in his game last season.

    All of a sudden last season his numbers surged. His Win Score efficiency average went from 9.12 per 48 minutes in 2007-08 (which jibed exactly with the 5.88 he posted in his one NBA season, because European players, similar to college players and D Leaguers, experience about a 35% decrease in efficiency when they move to the NBA) to a 2008-09 WS48 of 17.07. That's a huge improvement. Basically he became a much better rebounder -- both offensive and defensive -- and a much better three point shooter. Normally I would be skeptical of such numbers, but he maintained them over 55 games. But do they genuinely signal a permanent leap forward in his production?

     

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    Hunt: "depressed free agent market"?
    “They have the two most important NBA pieces, the center in Bogut and the point guard in Brandon Jennings, who needs to start from Day 1 even if the depressed free-agent market causes Ramon Sessions to bounce back for $1 million.”

    Maybe Sessions will wind up being one of the loose ends, but so far the free agent market’s irrationally high deals have made me question that assumption about this being a dry year. If Charlie V. can pull in what he did, Sessions should expect a big ol’ raise…. Why the Knicks would invest in Grant Hill at his age instead of someone like Sessions is a bit of a mystery.

    by feral on Jul 10, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Good catch

    I think you’re right—everyone assumed this was going to be a dry year, and then teams went out and threw big money at guys who aren’t major impact types. That could also be the result of teams with cap space feeling like they have to use it even though the FA crop is weaker. I do think you’ll see some bargains be had now that the cap space teams have mostly blown their spending load, but it’s tough to say what that means for Ramon. By definition RFAs always come at a discount to UFAs, but it’s always a function of supply and demand. If there are some teams with cap space or full MLEs around that need a good PG, one of them could make a run for Ramon if all the UFA targets are off the board. Kidd’s gone, Bibby’s gone. Miller’s still available and it sounds like a S/T might be the most reasonable outcome there.

    Sessions taking the QO, while I would guess it’s unlikely, would probably have as much to do with Jennings being around as an attempt to get big dollars next summer. He and his agent might be nervous about being here longer term since Jennings is presumably not here to be a backup over the longer term. And the Bucks probably don’t want to commit to a five year deal or whatever given their history with those kind of moves.

    Still, Sessions hasn’t made any money thus far in his career and I’m sure he’d like to lock in a better paycheck. What if he takes the QO and tears his ACL? A couple years for $3 million each could make a lot of sense for both sides.

    by Frank Madden on Jul 10, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

    What's the market for him, though?

    I swear, all last year fans on boards across the league were talking about Sessions as a target. Really since he came up the previous season, the gaudy assist totals late in the year had boards bandying his name around.

    Is there that big a disconnect between fan perceptions and those of league sorts? Universally, about this one player? Is it just that the spate of point guards in the draft plugged the immediate needs that teams like Denver thought they had? Drafting Jennings certainly seems to have dampened the ardor of the Bucks themselves….

    It just seems so odd that nobody would best something like 2 years, $6 million. The Knicks are pursuing Grant Hill, and one of the options is supposedly 3 years at around $3 1/3 million a year. I can only conclude that nobody thinks he’s a long-term player to commit to.

    by feral on Jul 10, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    I think you’re right that the draft certainly plays a part in driving down demand for Sessions. Teams like Minnesota, Philly, Golden State, and Atlanta all picked up young PGs that would diminish interest in Sessions.

    But overall I don’t think fans necessarily overrated general interest in Ramon (maybe a bit) so much as they don’t really factor in the RFA dynamics. Most teams in the NBA would probably pay him $3 to 4 million per season, no doubt. But at that price you’d expect the Bucks to match. So you’d end up going through negotiations, signing the offer sheet, and then having part of your MLE tied up for up to a week while the offer sheet hangs in the wind (see the Gortat situation in Orlando/Dallas). If there’s anyone else you’re interested in, they could be gone by then.

    With unrestricted free agents you don’t have to deal with any of that—just reach an agreement and it’s over. With RFAs, it’s not worth trying to sign the guy unless you think there’s a high probability the other team won’t match, which is why no one really goes after RFAs.

    At the end of the day all it takes is one team, so there’s still a distinct possibility a team that could use a PG which comes up empty in free agency throws an offer sheet at him and sees what happens. Aside from New York and Portland, I’m not sure who else would be the obvious candidats, and both of those teams could be using their MLE/cap space elsewhere.

    by Frank Madden on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Hill to stay with Suns

    Looks like we need to worry about the Knicks eying Sessions again, as Hill has indicated he’ll stay with the Suns now that it looks like Nash will re-up.

    Also, any indication on what a Childress S&T might look like? I presume it would have to include Alexander (if only to loosen the logjam at SF), but otherwise I have no idea what the Hawks would want to do given the two rosters involved.

    by swilldog on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

    Agreed

    It doesn’t seem like the teams are obvious trade partners to me, though the Hawks probably wouldn’t be looking for that much in return. He’s not going to start ahead of JJ/Marvin, so no sense in them giving him big long-term dollars. Then again, that’s also why the Bucks might want to think twice about him. He’s a good role player, but he is what he is.

    by Frank Madden on Jul 11, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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