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Hey Fellow Buck fans.

 

I spent yesterday with some family from Dallas, one of whom is a very well connected Mavs season ticket holder.  He golfs and dines with Mavs brass, and told me that there is a semi serious offer on the table between the Bucks and the Mavs with the main players being Michael Redd and Eric Dampier (expiring).  The general idea is that the Mavs feel they might be one more scorer away from contending with the WConf elite, and that the Bucks are ready for a total rebuild.

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playing 4 times against both Eric Dampier AND Andrew Bogut?? That’s the only positive for such a horrible, horrible trade. I’m all about financial flexibility, but I’d rather keep Redd on the team and Bogut happy.

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by Mitchell_M on Jul 11, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't be 1-for-1

Dampier makes $12.1 million compared to Redd’s $17.04 million, so the Mavs would have to send out more salary (like an expiring Greg Buckner) to make the deal work. I can certainly see why Dallas would do it since they’re basically going all-in with Kidd and Nowitzki right now, and I suppose if the Bucks decide to go into full rebuild mode then Redd’s the obvious guy to go.

It’s certainly not a very satisfying deal from a Bucks perspective, but Dampier would be another guy that you could use near the deadline or just let him expire and open up a ton of cap room next summer. I’d hope you could get the Mavs’ 2010 1st rounder as well. I would imagine the market for Redd would be better once he’s actually gotten back on the court, and the Bucks could also see what they have at the start of the season before looking to deal him closer to the deadline. Then again, if Redd comes back and he sucks it’s going to be hard to get someone to bit on him.

by Frank Madden on Jul 11, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind about Buckner—he’s not on the team anymore…

by Frank Madden on Jul 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind about my nevermind

Scratch that…he IS on the team. He’s been with them twice before, then was traded back to Dallas in the Marion deal this week. And apparently he’s got a $1 million buyout, which is rather nice.

by Frank Madden on Jul 12, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about this..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjtm6f

Damipier still has two seasons left on his contract I think, but Gadz and Josh Howard were added into the deals, I think the trade would make more sense. Howard would replace some of Redds scoring and give us flexibility at the 2/3 positions. Howard also expires after next season giving us more cap room next summer. This trade would also allow us to get rid of Gadz and Redds contracts. Hammond has the reputation of not signing players to max contracts and this would shed us of Redds max deal as well as Gadz horrible contract.

by BigDogg13 on Jul 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know that a one for one wouldn’t work, but I wasn’t in a context where I could press for more details.

While it is extremel rare for teams to trade for an injured player, I don’t perceive that there is a ton of fear out there that Redd’s career is in jeopardy. It’s not like he is Dominique Wilkins or something, Mike will still be productive without elite athleticism (not that he ever had it).

I liked your analogy about the Mavs going “all in”. To continue the poker comparison, Dampier is the last chip they have. Everything else is in the pot as they are all about winning a title in the next two years. That’s why it makes no sense for them to hold on to Dampier’s contract for a year to try to bring in a big free agent. Because 1) there is no guarentee that they will land a big time FA and 2) its playing out a whole year with a chip in reserve. If there was ever a time for the Mavs to go all in, it would be now. And with RJ and Vince already dealt, there don’t seem to be a lot of proven scorers out there available for an expiring deal.

The last thing I will say, is that while this trade would seem really lopsided at first, I would reserve judgement till next summer because if the Bucks were able to use Dampier’s expiring contract at the trade deadline to bring in 2 or 3 young guys, or if the Bucks were able to somehow land a big time 2010 free agent (Joe Johnson? Amare?) then it would be a really good deal.

Of course, since these are my beloved Bucks we are talking about there would always be the possibility that niether of those two scenarios would play out, in which case the deal would be kind of a kick in the junk for us fans.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 11, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Redd is healthy then in some ways he might be worth holding on to if you don’t think the Bucks can flip Dampier for something of use or do anything in free agency next summer. As of now they look like they should be OK next summer in terms of the luxury tax at least, so it’s not like you have to trade Redd in order to keep some of your other young guys. Wait, did I just argue that we shouldn’t be trading Redd? Strange days…

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by Frank Madden on Jul 11, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BigDog13 from what I hear the Mavs want to hold on to Josh Howard because they view him as a versatile scrappy glue guy on a roster of fairly one dimmensional players.

And I believe that Dampier has a team option after this year, so based on his production verse his paycheck it would be certain that any team that employed him would decline that option.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According to this, Dampier is under contract with no options through the 10-11 season so unless we got j how in the deal this would be a pretty terrible trade. I’m all in for getting rid of redd now. We’re obviously in all out rebuild mode now, and ridding ourselves of his near $20 million player option in 10-11 would be great, but I’d rather dangle Redd out for a possible Boozer trade. He’d hate it here, but….who cares it would be a contract year so he’d still have to play.

by everyoneruns on Jul 12, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According to sham ...

Howard’s got the team option next season. Dampier’s contract is fully guaranteed only through this season.

Cuban has been reluctant to part ways with Howard. Jason Terry a more likely add-on while the Bucks pitch some big men fodder the Mavs’ way (thomas, gadz, elson, malik?) to get away from the luxury tax.

by J.D. Mo on Jul 12, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know J.D. Mo is always up for a Redd salary dump :)

If Hammond included Gadz in a trade he should be given the key to the city.

by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never heard one I didn’t like … :?

by J.D. Mo on Jul 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question for Frank

I know its not your job to comment and research every trade rumor. But while you are in Vegas it would be sweet if you could talk to a Mavs beat writer or staffer and get some specifics on Dampier’s contract, specifically how many minutes he has to play to guarentee the final year of his contract.

Skeptical Bucks and Mavs fans have suggested that the Mavs wouldn’t make this kind of deal because they will need Dampier’s minutes at center to contend. But if what some are saying about Dampier’s “minute clause” is true, then they obviously are not going to play him very much anyway.

Any news on if Orlando matched the contract offer to Gortat?

by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly no longer in Vegas

I left on a red-eye last night right after the game (hence I haven’t had a chance to recap), but HoopsWorld says his contract only becomes guaranteed if he averages 28 mpg.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/story.asp?story_id=13253

by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

J-Richardson and Pavlovic partially guaranteed contract for Michael Redd makes a perfect trade for the Suns and Bucks both plus Richardson is a better player than Damp..

by ere9517 on Jul 21, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea Ere, sign me up for Json Richarson for Redd. Obviously the Dampier trade was contingent upon the Magic not retaining Marcin Gortat, which most people did not expect them to do when the offer sheet was signed and the Magic countered by signing Brandon Bass. The Magic ended up with both, and obviously the Mavs were not going to make the trade without Gortat in town as their new starting center.

I have never held to the notion that Redd is untradable like so many Bucks fans believe his contract to make him. In the NBA this day and age all it takes is one team looking to move some salary around and you can move pretty much anyone with a year or two left.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 21, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to believe anyone would trade for Redd before it’s obvious that he’s still worth the money (at least somewhat). That was a pretty gruesome knee injury and the older you are, the less likely it is that you return to form. Otherwise, you could do a lot worse than Richardson, although I would like to get back a shooting guard who can consistently hit his freebies. His 70% free throw percentage is Shaqtacular for a SG.

by MadTown Hoops on Jul 22, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t see Phoenix wanting Redd, unless they were in a situation where they were repositioning their cap and trying to shed a longer contract like Richardson’s for a shorter one like Redd’s.

As far as his knee injury, its not like it was career threatening (Shawn Livingston) and its not like he is suddeenly not going to have the leg extension to power up his behind the head lefty knuckleball three pointer. Redd is Redd, for better or for worse. And ironically when it comes to this situation, I think his skill set and physical limitations bode well for a unproblematic comeback.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Both Redd and J-Rich have two years left, so I don’t really see the point for Phoenix…but sure, I’d probably do that deal from a Bucks perspective.

by Frank Madden on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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