Welcome Back: Ilyasova deal officially done
Finally. After seemingly months of speculation, Ersan Ilyasova is officially returning to Milwaukee on a three year deal that will pay him a total of $7 million, including a first year salary of $2.1 million. Regular readers know that we've been following Ersan's European exploits for the past couple seasons while he was at FC Barcelona, so it's nice to know that all that time spent blindly clicking around the Spanish ACB website wasn't in vain (no se habla Espanol). The fact that he has developed into a very solid player? Well that's just gravy.
Ilyasova should immediately compete for the starting power forward position with Amir Johnson, and his arrival should also hasten the departure of Kurt Thomas ($3.8 million expiring deal), either with a buyout or via trade. I'll warn once again that it's unlikely Ilyasova will match the kind of raw numbers Charlie Villanueva will get in Detroit, but considering he'll actually play defense, shoot with similar accuracy from three point range and cost $5 million less per season, that's OK. For a financially constrained team, the signing of Ilyasova makes a lot of sense, though the Bucks still face the matter of bringing back Ramon Sessions on a limited budget. John Hammond has been talking about the possibility of this signing for a while, and when I spoke to him in Vegas you could tell from the length at which he spoke about Ilyasova that it was only a matter of time before a deal would be done:"He's gotten strong--he's very big, very thick right now, and kind of changed his game. I remember seeing him when he was 16- or 17-years old in Turkey, and he was this long, lean guy that people said might be a Kirilenko-type player.
"Now he really has the ability to stretch the defense, whether in half court or transition. When he's back behind the three point line you have to either stand with him or run at him. And he can handle and shoot the ball well enough that when he pump fakes they have to respect it, and he can put the ball on the floor, make a shot there or find open people."
Though he'd been considered a potential future star since he was 16, Ilyasova essentially blossomed into a great role player in Barcelona, and I'd project the same ceiling in the NBA. At 6'9" he can defend modern NBA power forwards and looks like a nice complement to Amir Johnson in the Bucks' power forward rotation. Neither guy is ever likely to be a star, but for a combined $6 million you get pretty good value. Both guys rebound (Ilyasova was third in the ACB last year) and are willing defenders, though Johnson is more of a shot-blocker while Ilyasova matches up better with perimeter bigs. In contrast to Johnson's above-the-rim act, Ilyasova also brings much-needed three point shooting, a department where the Bucks had been sorely lacking after losing both Villanueva and Richard Jefferson. Ilyasova shot 51/114 (44.7%) last year from the international three point line, and even as a 19-year old in the NBA he shot a respectable 54/138 (36.5%). Ilyasova won't generally do damage from the post or off the dribble, but he's got a solid handle by PF standards and is equally at home spotting up outside or crashing the boards.
Who starts at PF?
While I hope to see Johnson get plenty of burn this year, my initial reaction is that it might make more sense from a spacing perspective to start Ilyasova. Presuming Mbah a Moute starts at small forward--which isn't a guarantee considering Scott Skiles' penchant for mixing/matching lineups--you almost have to start Ilyasova since the Bucks would otherwise have zero perimeter shooting on their front line. With Bogut being asked to score more this year, it's imperative that teams not be able to double-team him constantly--he really struggled with turnovers in those situations last year--and to do that someone's gotta shoot from outside.
All told, the Bucks' forward spots are now loaded with interesting young players, and the fact that Johnson, Ilyasova, Mbah a Moute, and Alexander will earn just $9.4 million combined next year affords them valuable flexibility (you know, like the flexibility to pay Mike Redd $17 million). Still, it's still important to be realistic. As much as I'm happy to have each of those guys, the Bucks don't have a proven scorer at either forward spot, and their ability to compete for a playoff spot will be challenged because of it. Hopefully one of those guys develops into a 15-17 ppg guy, but I wouldn't bet on any of them at the moment.
Sessions Update: Clips interested?
As for Sessions, the next week might finally bring some action. Assuming Bruce Bowen is bought out for $2.1 million and Salim Stoudamire is waived at no penalty, the Bucks would have $4.95 million left under the tax to sign Sessions. That means an MLE deal would take the Bucks over the tax level, but that's not automatically a dealbreaker. Thomas' $3.8 million deal could theoretically be bought out for $2.5 million and he'd be no worse off since he's certain get at least a $1.3 million minimum salary from another team. Cutting the money owed to Thomas by $1.3 million or more would in turn give the Bucks more than the MLE left under the tax. They also have the option of making other salary-shedding deals during the season since the tax isn't assessed until April.
Marc Stein reports that Sessions is drawing interest from the Clips, who also have Allen Iverson on their radar. It's not an ideal situation with Baron Davis owed a small fortune at point guard and Eric Gordon entrenched as the SG of the future, but at this point Sessions needs to coax an offer sheet out of someone. The Bucks have not made him an offer beyond the QO, preferring instead to let the market dictate Sessions' value. I'm not a big fan of that strategy, but then again the Bucks could be feeling a bit better about the prospect of losing Sessions after watching Brandon Jennings put on a good show in Vegas. Sessions could also be on the Blazers' radar following Utah's decision to match Paul Millsap's offer sheet. Because they have cap space, Portland might be the only possible destination where it'd be possible to construct a reasonable sign-and-trade deal, though they could also just give Sessions an offer sheet and dare the Bucks to match it.
S/T and the BYC
Because Sessions will be getting a big raise, he'll become a base year compensation player immediately, which means for trade purposes only half his salary would count from a Bucks' perspective. That usually makes it very difficult for teams over the cap to sign and trade BYC players since the salaries won't match from one side's perspective. For instance, if the Bucks sign Sessions to an MLE deal, then only half his $5.85 million salary would count from a Bucks' perspective in a trade, meaning they could take back no more than 125% x $2.92 million + $100k. However, a trade partner that is over the cap would have to send out at least ($5.85 million - $100k)/125% = $4.6 million. Adding other players to the package might get you around it, but it's tough and often times a third team is necessary to resolve the BYC issue.
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That’s great that Ersan is coming back! I watched some vids on youtube and he has bulked up and looks more aware of what’s going on. Nice addition to the roster and replacement of Charlie ‘who will show up’ V.!!! Love what John Hammond is doing for the bucks!
by lifelongbucksfan on Jul 16, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammond
seems like he’s doing an outstanding job for the bucks.
Give him another couple of years and i think the Bucks could be very competitive.
Does anyone know how many more years you all owe Redd?
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jul 17, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was worried about Hammond earlier this year, but I think he’s really proved to be adept at analyzing talent and getting players that will play the brand of basketball he wants. After seeing what lesser GMs have done from Minnesota to New York (often with more resources) it’s hard not to like what he’s doing. It’s one thing to talk about culture change, but I think Hammond is really accomplishing what he said he would.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 18, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I’ve always liked about Ersan (and there are numerous) are his good hands and timing. He doesn’t play above the rim all that much, but on all the alley-oop dunk attempts he’s ever had he has converted on. I’ve also never seen him not be able to handle a pass. He also has superb timing when going for blocked shots
Here are videos of the alley-oops he’s finished
by oshmeehan on Jul 16, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be an Ersan thread without osh chiming in :)
As soon as you brought up oops I had a flashback to that one against Dallas…I remember being like WHOA when I saw that. He’s not an explosive leaper but with those long arms he can put it down pretty well.
by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good that he can convert the oop, as Jennings appears to be a fan. I remember the main problem in the past with Ilyasova was his confidence; at nineteen he didn’t seem ready to take the open shot. He always hesitated. Now, with age and experience he may be able to truly contribute. Oh, and given his origin and dimensions I guarantee if comparisons are made it’ll be to Hedo Turkoglu. Sportswriters are just too lazy to look any further.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 17, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha yep if I see Ersan’s name come up anywhere I gotta post :-)
While I enjoyed giving updates on his progress (though I know you yourself followed Ersan as well), one thing I won’t miss is giving all these updates, as well as watching some games online at 5 AM!
by oshmeehan on Jul 16, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also like his fearlessness he has, willing to take it to the rim
by oshmeehan on Jul 16, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the numbers work for this trade idea...
Houston trades: Lowry, Cook, White
Milwaukee trades: Sessions ($4M), Thomas
The total salary the Bucks receive in return is $2.27 million less than what they ship out.
White is on a non-guaranteed contract and can be waived without being a cap hit.
by wayno on Jul 16, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Sessions is only going to cost $4 million then I’d definitely want to keep him. I do think Lowry’s a useful player and he’d be a nice complement to Jennings but I prefer Ramon.
by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with adding Sessions is, even if he’s only going to cost $4 million, the Bucks are already over luxury tax by around $3 million. This includes waiving Bowen’s partially guaranteed contract.
In dealing for Lowry, they add another young PG, but for an extra $1.73 million instead. This leaves them within closer striking distance to get back under the luxury tax threshold.
I just don’t see the Bucks adding $4 million more to their cap situation.
by wayno on Jul 16, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they cut Bowen and Stoudamire they can sign Sessions for $4 million and still have almost a million left under the tax. Here are the numbers:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pRi96U66_7loG5x8DNomqZA&single=true&gid=5&output=html
by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firstly, I want Sessions back and I always will. He’s awesome. The only problem I can think of is that if we do have him, that means all three of our points are distributors with no outside shot (including Ridnour of course, he is still on the team).
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 17, 2009 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats, Bucks fans
A lot of teams would like to head into training camp with Amir and Ersan battling for the job. Fun team brewing up in Milwaukee.
by Ziller on Jul 16, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damnit TZ are you being ironic again :)
I think fun is the right word—we may not be in contention for a while, but I’m looking forward to seeing these young guys battle it out. With CV gone they’ve pretty much brought in a whole team of guys who are willing to defend and bust their tails every night. I can respect that…
by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Blazer fan, I’d love to see Sessions in the red, black, and white; however, there have been NO reports of Portland being interested in him. At this point, I would assume that we’re not in the hunt, though he would fit a need.
life is better as an optimist
by Cablinasian on Jul 17, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the reason for this is probably Pritchard’s preference for players that can shoot. He likes to have four shooters on the floor at all times, and with Oden/Przybilla not being outside threats, everyone else needs to be.
life is better as an optimist
by Cablinasian on Jul 17, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, PDX doesn’t appear to be in the mix. Woelfel just tweeted that the final teams are LAC, OKC, Indy, NYK and the Bucks. Sounds like the Knicks are first trying to get Miller and the Pacers already used up a chunk of their MLE on Dahntay Jones. He’d never play behind Westbrook in OKC so that would be an interesting destination.
by Frank Madden on Jul 17, 2009 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ilyasova et al ...
I believe Hammonds is making the right moves. As we discussed around the water cooler this past week, the Bucks should be way more entertaining, even if they do not win right away. Also, we are getting rid of big, drag-down contracts (last year: Simmons, M. Williams: this year: Jefferson). A team like Milwaukee cannot afford to pay a SG and SF $15+ million a year each. Before we have to ponder that prospect again, Redd will be a free agent.
Will Amir Johnson amount to anything? Don’t know, but we have one cheap year to find out. Same with Alexander (two more years). As far as Ersan not playing above the rim, it does not matter. Hedo Turkalu didn’t for the Magic. It’s more important to be sound “below” the rim. Besides, Johnson can play above the rim.
Brandon Jennings is ready to take charge (just ask him), even if Skiles won’t let him all the time. The kid has moxy …..we need that too. I can picture Bogut going up to the rim softly, and Jennings getting in his grill for not dunking the ball. As for our second draft pick, Meeks, when is the last time this team had a sharp-shooter off the bench? Craig Hodges?
The main thing to consider here is that Larry Harris put this team in a financial and competitive pickle. Rome wasn’t built in a day and it couldn’t be torn down in a day — this stuff takes time. Hammonds understands that. One more plug for John H. : Doesn’t it now look like HE was the real architect for that Detroit Pistons team? Would he have allowed them to trade Billups for Iverson? Would he have done what Dumars has done, and that is quickly sign two free agents, neither of which will ever be able to carry a team? Speaking of which, Dumars is doing exactly what Larry Harris did: accumulate talent and ignore the synergy and make-up of the team.
Hang in there Bucks fan. It should be an intereresting year. Oh, and one more thought: Don’t sign Sessions. As was mentioned earlier, we only need ONE starting PG; there is a reason Sessions has taken time: He’s not and never will be a premier PG.
by tommyr on Jul 18, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the ideal would have been signing Ramon to a two year deal and swapping Ridnour for help somewhere else. That way you’re not tied down but get to keep Sessions as an asset who can either continue to develop or you trade him to a team that can put him to better use if/when Jennings proves himself.
If Sessions walks then a lot of people will correctly point out that we traded RJ and then didn’t use the money to keep either of our RFAs, but there is also the matter of next summer. With the tax coming down I’m not sure how the Bucks could have avoided having to deal either Redd or RJ for expirings. So it’s kind of a matter of pay me now or pay me later.
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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