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Warrick in, Bowen/Stoudamire waived, Sessions waits

No matter what you think of the Bucks' summer, don't call it boring.  Sure, Ramon Sessions is still waiting for the Knicks to put us all out of our misery with an offer sheet, but the Bucks moves today make Sessions' exit seem a bit more imminent. 

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  • The Bucks signed Hakim Warrick to a one-year deal, reportedly in the $3 to $3.5 million range.  The most important takeaway here is that the Bucks blew a huge chunk of their remaining dollars with this deal, seemingly begging the Knicks to make a move for Sessions.  While Warrick's not going to fundamentally alter the course of the Bucks' future, he's a very useful guy who could start at PF...plus I like anyone who Kelly Dwyer approves of.  Warrick's made a living putting up good numbers as a part-time starter for forgettable Grizzlies teams, so he'll probably perform similarly for a very young Bucks team.  He's always been labeled a tweener and was kicked to the curb in Memphis, but his raw numbers last year were pretty encouraging: a 19.4/16.5 PER differential at PF as the Grizz were better offensively and defensively with him on the court.  As the video above illustrates, he's at his best using his athleticism around the bucket and should enjoy playing with Brandon Jennings.

    As of now the race to be the Bucks' opening night PF is wide open, with Warrick, Ersan Ilyasova and Amir Johnson each bringing something different to the table.  Warrick is the athletic greyhound, Ilyasova the floor-spacer, and Johnson the athletic big man.  Add to that Luc Mbah a Moute and Joe Alexander, and you've got an absolute ton of young, fairly athletic, and completely unproven talent at the forward spots.  Something tells me
  • Bruce Bowen and Salim Stoudamire were both waived, saving the Bucks about $2.9 million.  Bowen's $4.1 million became fully-guaranteed tomorrow, but the Bucks saved $2 million by cutting bait now.  There had been a fair bit of trade talk surrounding him up until the last minute--involving Boston and perhaps the Knicks--but nothing ever came of it.

    Stoudamire's minimum deal ($884k) would have become partially guaranteed if he made it to training camp, but he did nothing of note in Vegas before picking up yet another injury.  His signing in April never made much sense to me, but fortunately the Bucks didn't commit any guaranteed 09/10 dollars to him.  Essentially they gave him a couple weeks of minimum salary at the end of last season in order to have a right of first refusal on him this summer. 
  • Sonny Weems and Walter Sharpe have officially been acquired along with cash from Denver for Malik Allen.  This is old news, but it hadn't been officially announced by the teams until today.  And don't get too excited, because neither Sharpe nor Weems figures to ever play for the Bucks.  Both guys have expiring deals at the second year minimum ($736k), but Sharpe is out for the year with an ACL injury and Weems' deal is only guaranteed to the tune of $174k.  Given the Bucks shipped out $1.3 million with Allen, that means they save about $390k on the contract differentials.  The JS reported the Bucks will save about $500k through the move, so perhaps they're factoring in the cash as well.  The last thing I wanted to see was Allen steal minutes from all the other better/more interesting bigs on the roster, so clearing his roster spot while saving some money is just gravy.
  • Ramon Sessions was expected by everyone to finally get his contract offer from the Knicks today...so of course it didn't happen.  Marc Stein reports the Knicks will make an offer soon, and the Warrick deal should finally give them the assurances they need that the Bucks won't match a long-term offer sheet.  Given the desirability of starting for Mike D'Antoni, Donnie Walsh knew Sessions would be willing to wait for a Knicks offer and essentially outwaited the Bucks, who had been keeping enough cash available under the tax to maintain a credible enough threat to re-sign their young point guard.  But apparently the opportunity to sign Warrick was appealing enough to give up the charade.  Even assuming Warrick comes in at $3 million even, the Bucks would have $67.583 million committed to 14 players, leaving just $2.337 million to re-sign Sessions while staying under the tax.  Sure, the Bucks could match an offer and then try to wheel and deal to get under the tax by the end of the season, but the Bucks don't seem all that interested in Sessions now that Brandon Jennings is in town.

 

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The worst out of all of this...

…is that Sessions AND Villanueva had to have decent to good trade value come the deadline, and now they both will be walking. Hammond royally screwed the Bucks by keeping them on the roster for the rest of a dead season.

by everyoneruns on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree

yes you are correct…but we have to move forward….i really hate seeing salim go but drafting meeks pretty much told me he was going to be gone….call me crazy but i wish we could somehow get rid of charlie bell and get salim back. but who does everyone thing the starters will be? im one i dont think jennings will start right away so im going to say it goes
PG- Luke Ridnour
SG-Michael Redd
SF-Hakim Warrick
PF-Amir Johnson
C-Andrew Bogut

by MarkE24 on Aug 1, 2009 4:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Starting Lineup

PG – Sessions (They will find a way to resign him)
SG – Meeks
SF – Redd
C – Bogut
PF – Johnson

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry Dude

Sessions is gone. Judging from the team site and random comments, the Bucks think they have the next Chris Paul. Maybe we do, maybe under Skiles’ tutelage Jennings will become a star humble enough to remain in Milwaukee for more than four years. Somehow I doubt it. I hate going into next year knowing that it’s another lost season, that best case scenario we flop out of the first round and have a mid-round pick. I just worry because I can’t think of a single successful point that didn’t spend time in college. Points taken at his age always seem to flash potential, then turn into Shaun Livingston and Sebastian Telfair. I don’t see how Jennings and Ridnour will be a successful NBA tandem.

Also, Redd is just awful at small forward. If we start him there, we will never win again.

by MadTown Hoops on Aug 1, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Sessions leaves, they will hand the job to Jennings to lose. Alexander will be given a chance to be the SF, and with the Warrick signing, I see Amir being used as a backup center along with a PF when Bogut is on the floor.

Jennings
Redd
Alexander
Warrick
Bogut
We’re Bucked

by We're Bucked on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Redd/Bogut are the only locks IMO.

But otherwise it’s funny how many different directions they could go. Presuming Sessions isn’t retained, I’m guessing Jennings will eventually start this year, though maybe Ridnour gets the nod in November just to make Jennings work for it (note that I’m cool with throwing him into the fire if only Ridnour is around).

At SF, Skiles clearly likes Luc the most but his offensive game is more like a PF—occasional spot-up jumpers and a lot of stuff around the basket. So there is an argument to be made for Alexander since he has more range on his shot. But it would seem kind of weird to me for Alexander to start unless it was one of those token things where he starts but still only plays 20 mpg. He looked better in Vegas, but I feel like Skiles is going to get Luc more minutes at the end of the day.

At PF, Warrick has the most experience starting…even though he doesn’t have much. Ilyasova might be the best complement to the rest of the lineup, since he is the only one with three point range and he projects to be a better rebounder than Warrick. His range would be especially useful if you’re starting Luc at SF, since you need somebody at the forward spots who can space the floor. And then you have Amir, who I hope we see get minutes this year but would give you more of a twin towers look up front. I agree with Justin that signing Warrick increases the minutes Amir probably gets as backup center, which is fine since he’s gotta be better than Elson/Gadz.

by Frank Madden on Aug 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Warrick’s agent was excited that he could start at either of the forward positions. With his length and a floor spacer like Ilyasova paying along side him, the range might not be a problem. From summer league it doesn’t seem like Luc will have a more important role than Alexander. He mostly picked up other’s slop while a major focus was getting Alexander touches. I don’t like it, but franchises tend to see people in terms of where they were drafted and Hammond really believes in the kid’s “potential”. I hope that Amir is finally given the opportunity to play PF exclusively. He just doesn’t cut it as a center, as his time in Detroit attests (I think Bucks Diary had a decent post on this).

My feeling this summer is that I don’t have any problems with any individual moves the Bucks have made. Separately they all make sense for a young team that wants to be versatile. However, when you frame things in the context of everything nothing makes sense. Why did the Bucks sign Salim at all? Who is our small forward? Why are almost none of the people we traded for going to play next year? Why was there so much focus on getting under the cap, when we used that cap space on Ersan Ilyasova and Hakim Warrick? Are we stuck with Ridnour’s expiring deal for the year? Is Joe Alexander even a basketball player? Too many questions and no discernible plan leaves me with an uneasy feeling for the year ahead.

Of course, there still is that rumor that Hammond has something up his sleeve when the dust settles on the Sessions situation, but I’m not holding my breath on this one.

by MadTown Hoops on Aug 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to 82games.com Johnson only spent 1% of his time at the Center Postion Last Season

Having been a long time Pistons fan I watched most of their games last year. This year I will probably be adding the Bucks to the Pistons as well as Lakers and Clippers as my main NBA focus. I live in Los Angeles. Probably throw some T Wolves in again since I am a big K. Love fan.

I think 82games has it correct. I don’t recall Johnson playing much center at all. Against the teams with the bigger centers Brown started at center unless Johnson started then Wallace started at Center. .

When Johnson was on the court with Wallace, Brown or McDyess Johnson definitely played PF. When Johnson was on the court with Maxiell, Maxiell interestingly enough generally played center because he is bulkier and stronger plus Johnson can cover the perimeter a lot better than Maxiell.

Johnson appeared to look a little more muscular in the LVSL than he did last spring. He has said that he spends a lot of time in the weight room. Last Oct he said he weighed about 230. If he can come into this coming season at 245 he might be able to play some backup Center this year. His ability to be able to play center is not limited by his height which was measured at 6’11: last Oct but rather by his strength. So we shall see.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET11.HTM

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I need to stop accepting Bucks Diary posts for anything other than entertainment. I read his article a long time ago and vaguely remembered him saying that Amir was generally used at center and would have been more effective as a power forward. My bad.

by MadTown Hoops on Aug 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wolf Pack Basketball: Sessions still searching for NBA offer

Wolf Pack Basketball: Sessions still searching for NBA offer

By Chris Murray • cmurray@rgj.com • August 1, 2009

   
Ramon Sessions has been on the free-agent block for more than a month, watching some players sign multi-million dollar contracts while others are still waiting for their big deal.

Sessions is in the second of those two categories. The former Wolf Pack point guard is still looking for a team. However, Sessions’ agent, James “Chubby” Wells, said Friday that might change by the beginning of next week.

“We’re really trying to shoot for Monday and Tuesday,” Wells said of finishing a deal. “We have been talking with a couple of teams and we’re really trying to get some clarification and some finality. We’re shooting for early next week.”

Wells said three teams remain heavily interested in Sessions — the New York Knicks, Los Angeles Clippers and a mystery third team. He added that Sessions has remained calm through the process despite having an uncertain future and going through free agency for the first time in his career.

“There’s not any frustration. I think it’s more anticipation,” Well said. “Before the process we went through a lot of different scenarios. … He understands there’s a process that you have to go through, so he’s holding up pretty well.”

Wells said he almost had a deal with an unnamed team early in the free-agency period but it fell through. Lately, the majority of the focus has been on the Knicks.

cont on link

rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009908010353

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Sessions - Europe

Wells said if Sessions doesn’t get the long-term offer he is hoping for, he might accept the qualifying offer worth about $1 million and try free agency next season (when he would be an unrestricted free agent).

One thing Wells did rule out was Sessions going to Europe for a big payday.

However, at least two former Wolf Pack standout expect to be playing overseas next season.
-———————————————————
From same link as above. This is from page 2 of the story

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Sessions To Accept QO?

Wells said if Sessions doesn’t get the long-term offer he is hoping for, he might accept the qualifying offer worth about $1 million and try free agency next season (when he would be an unrestricted free agent).
-———————————————————————-
from same link as previous 2 posts. page 2

Sorry I should have put all 3 in one post.

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Ha, no problem

I just don’t see how the Knicks can pass on making him an offer at this point. Even a $4 million starting salary might not get matched by the Bucks at this point if the deal is long enough…though wouldn’t it be hilarious if the Knicks, seeing the Bucks’ lack of cash, tried to lowball Sessions and the Bucks matched anyway? I doubt it happens, but I’ll hope it does.

by Frank Madden on Aug 1, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amir Johnson

Am I the only one who thinks Amir Johnson will be coming off the bench?
Isn’t Ilyasova’s game supposed to be much improved? And why no love for Luc Richard Bah? If Bah adds any offensive game, he’ll be a quality starter.

Amir looked like a foul machine in summer league.

T.A. Sedlak
www.tasedlak.com

by T.A. Sedlak on Aug 1, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I’d guess Amir comes off the bench now that both Ersan and Warrick are around.

by Frank Madden on Aug 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson Coming Off of the Bench

I previously posted a rather long post on this site explaining Johnson’s fouling problem

Just to recap it here.

The Summer league always allows more fouls than they do during the regular season; i.e., 10 vs 6 and this is done because they want to keep the guys on the court but more so becuase the officials in the Summer league are trying to get into the NBA or working on their officiating so they definitely call things a lot tighter in the Summer league. Johnson averaged about 7 fouls per 23 minutes or so in the Summer league. So if you multiply 6/10 times 7 you get about 4.2 per 23 minutes or about 6.5 per 36 minutes which has been his NBA regular season career foul rate.

 Since it takes 6 fouls to foul out if a player is being productive (see my prior post on this for a detailed analysis of Johnson productivity and fouls) there is no reason why he can’t play aournd 30 minutes a game on most night.

The whole question is whether Skiles goes with on court productivity and allows Johnson to use up his league allotted fouls per game or goes with the Mike Curry rule of basically limiting Johnson to 4 fouls a game.

Having said that it is possible that Johnson will come off the bench I watched Johnson play quite a bit this last season which was the first in which he started at all, I believe about 24 out of his 62 games that he played in, He is definitely a lot better player when he starts. This is because one of his big problems has always been focus. When he is focused he like everyone else is a lot better player than when they aren’t focused. His focus or concentration as it were was a lot better when he started then when he came off of the bench.

Having said that there is not doubt that he needs to be focused all of the time, again like every other player.

He has the ability to start. His success will depend primarily on how involved he is in the offense. When he is involved in the offense he like every other player is a lot more focused then when they are not. Unfortunately for reasons unknown to me Johnson was frozen out of the offense once Iverson came to the Pistons despite the tact that Johnson shot about 60% from the field and 45% from outside the restricted area. Johnson remained frozen out of the offense evern after Iverson was shut down for the remainder of last season.

It is very difficult to stay focused in a game when you literally get only a couple of passes on offense every ten or so minutes that you are on the court.

It will be interesting to see what happens with him this year.

It would not surprise me to see him come off of the bench though I think initially he will get a get a chance to start. Whether he keeps that starting job depends on how many minutes he can play in the 1st quarter without having to be removed due to foul trouble. If he can stay on the court 8 – 10 minutes in the 1st quarter without having to sit with foul trouble, my guess is that he will continue to start.

by Buddahfan on Aug 1, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade Redd!!!

trade redd, to whoever!! send him, danny g and their contracts out of here!! and resign Sessions!!
Starters:
PG Sessions,
SG Meeks
SF Warrick
PF Johnson
C Bogut
Gives you quality backs ups at each position

by The Dark Side on Aug 1, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry

sorry but no team is dumb enough to take danny g and his terrible contract

by MarkE24 on Aug 1, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

All we have to do is find an even worse contract :)

by Frank Madden on Aug 2, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best move for Sessions, barring a 5mil/year offer from the Knicks, is to sign the QO and head to FA next season. He’ll earn himself a handsome deal in the 2010 pool of players. That’s probably the most likely positive outcome for the Bucks.

More likely, the Knicks offer 3 years at 4 mil/year or thereabouts, and he signs that. Bucks wouldn’t likely match, but I’d think doing so might be tempting since Redd, Ridnour, Alexander, and possibly Bell might be tradeable assets during the season. Still, I’m not holding my breath on that one.

Hate to say it, but unless he signs the QO, he’s a goner. Doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense to me since Ridnour’s going buh-bye after this season, leaving Milwaukee with only Jennings at PG for 2010 and looking at a whole lotta nobody as viable candidates to back him up. For that reason alone, I’m kinda shocked that the Bucks haven’t stepped up with a 3 year deal for Ramon. But then the fans seem to like the guy, so I guess that’s why he needs to go. :-(

by swilldog on Aug 1, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m curious how much Sessions would mind taking the QO…he’d probably be worried about his PT given Skiles didn’t even start him over Ridnour for much of last season, and now the Bucks want to develop Jennings. But you’re also right that next summer would be a great time to be an UFA, especially for a young PG (doesn’t sound like there will be much in the way of PGs available in the draft outside of Wall).

I’d be happy to get him at the QO at this point, since I doubt we end up matching an actual offer. The problem is we’d need his permission to trade him next year if he takes the QO or if we match an offer.

by Frank Madden on Aug 2, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey frank, you really think sessions would deny a trade anywhere if he has to take the QO?

by Dollakenny on Aug 2, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably not

I think Varejao reportedly rejected a trade after he had his Bobcat offer sheet matched a couple years ago, so it can happen. If I recall correctly, another issue is that if a guy on a QO is traded his Bird rights don’t go with him. So that’s a financial reason why he might not want to be traded. Having so many teams with cap room next year mitigates that concern a bit.

by Frank Madden on Aug 2, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Warrick

I’ve been watching Warrick since his days at Syracuse. He improved every year in college, and he continues to improve as a pro. He started at Memphis after they traded Gasol to the Lakers, and he put up impressive numbers both scoring and rebounding. He’s something of a defensive liability at PF, but he plays good help defense and can block shots. If Skiles is patient with him, he’ll be a productive player. Personally, I’d use him at SF. He’s got an okay mid-range jump shot, and he even hits a few threes on occasion. He’ll work hard, and he’ll fit in. Nice acquisition.

by ck1355 on Aug 3, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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