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Opening Day Collective Records

In the recap thread after the opening game of the season, MadTown Hoops wondered what the collective career won/loss total is for the fifteen Bucks making up this year's squad.  I was curious, so I looked it up and posted a response.  Naturally, that just made me more curious, so I went ahead and looked up the opening day collective won/loss record for each team in the league.

Some caveats:

  • I only looked at opening day rosters, so the Rockets don't get credit for Erick Dampier, the Spurs get Bobby Simmons instead of Chris Quinn, and so on.  I used Basketball-Reference.com for transactions, though I appealed to other sources to resolve some questionable dates/transactions.
  • I estimated players who were traded mid-season.  I assumed the player was not active for any team on the day of the trade.  I assumed each player joined his new team the day after the trade.  I treated waiver claims the same way.
  • For 10-day contracts and other in-season free agent signings, I considered the player active immediately.
  • Being only partly crazy, I did not delve into the dates of D-League assignments.  This has the unfortunate effect of skewing some players' records, especially on good teams.  Likewise, time spent in Europe was not considered, even if a team had rights to a player.

Each of these erodes accuracy.  Therefore I'm not going to argue my list is 100% correct.  However, since it's just for fun, that's okay.  I don't think a few wins or losses either way is going to make a big difference.

With that out of the way, here is the list:

 

RankTeamPlayersGamesWinsLossesPct
1 San Antonio
14 5718 3364 2354 .588
2 Boston 15 8464 4787 3677 .566
3 LA Lakers
14 8810 4928 3882 .559
4 Toronto 15 4422 2361 2061 .534
5 Utah 13 5746 3062 2684 .533
6 Phoenix 14 5671 3014 2657 .531
7 Denver 14 7446 3957 3489 .531
8 New Orleans
15 5554 2938 2616 .529
9 Dallas 15 8902 4703 4199 .528
10 Orlando 14 7537 3962 3575 .526
11 Portland 15 4718 2450 2268 .519
12 Cleveland 15 4617 2396 2221 .519
13 Chicago 13 5343 2744 2599 .514
14 Miami 15 9714 4973 4741 .512
15 Charlotte 15 7021 3533 3488 .503
16 Detroit 15 6347 3168 3179 .499
17 Houston 15 5098 2544 2554 .499
18 Atlanta 14 6691 3264 3427 .488
19 Indiana 15 5036 2410 2626 .479
20 Sacramento 14 3280 1565 1715 .477
21 New York
15 4126 1896 2230 .460
22 Washington 14 3420 1563 1857 .457
23 Milwaukee 15 6082 2779 3303 .457
24 New Jersey
14 5435 2479 2956 .456
25 Golden State
15 4549 2072 2477 .455
26 Oklahoma City
15 4102 1866 2236 .455
27 LA Clippers
14 4887 2161 2726 .442
28 Memphis 14 2949 1280 1669 .434
29 Philadelphia 14 5213 2238 2975 .429
30 Minnesota 15 3284 1398 1886 .426
-- NBA 435 170182 85855 84327 .504

 

You really get a sense of how veteran-laden the Miami Heat are, with nearly 1000 more games of experience than the runner-up Mavericks.  Conversely, Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento, and Washington have the least collective experience.  I thought it was interesting the whole league is slightly above .500, but it makes sense.  Many of the teams on the bottom are there by virtue of being bad for a while with the same players.  The reverse effect can be seen at the top of the table.

Among individual players, the top percentage belongs to Darnell Jackson, who, by virtue of his time in Cleveland, checks in with a remarkable .783 (130-36).  This is an excellent example of the impact of not filtering out D-League time.  Among players with 500 or more games (just over six full seasons), the Spurs' trio of Tony Parker (515-223, .698), Manu Ginobili (457-199, .697), and Tim Duncan (719-315, .695) top the list.  The bottom belongs to Jamal Crawford (284-535, .347), Eddy Curry (261-477, .354), and Chris Wilcox (238-416, .364).

In terms of raw totals, Shaquille O'Neal has the most wins with 798, followed by Kobe Bryant (735) and Derek Fisher (733).  Juwan Howard, one of two still-active Washington Bullets, has the most losses with 684.  Theo Ratliff (649), Joe Smith (622), and Marcus Camby (605) round out the 600+ club.  Jason Kidd (1278) has the most total games and is joined in the 1200+ club by Howard (1262), Ratliff (1202), and Kurt Thomas (1202).

The 435 players on opening day rosters have a simple average of 391 team games each, or 4.77 seasons.  As noted, Miami is the most experienced team, with an average of 648 games per player.  The Lakers are second with 629.  Memphis at 211 and Minnesota at 219 are on the low end.

I don't think any of this really means anything, especially with the caveats I laid out above.  Still, it's always fun to have a little bit of trivia to bring up during a boring game.

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Interesting how

With the exception of Oklahoma City, Memphis, and the Bucks, all the teams with bad individual records are also expected to be bad this year.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Nov 6, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Great job Jay!

Glad it was you and not me having the ‘fun’ to work this all out! Though, being a statistics nut myself, I can appreciate how you would enjoy compiling this type of analysis :)

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Nov 6, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Fascinating stuff…thanks for the hard work!

Also, Toronto?

by Frank Madden on Nov 7, 2010 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought that was strange, too

Barbosa’s time in Phoenix put him over .600 while Amir Johnson gets credit for barely playing on those good Detroit teams (the Darnell Jackson rule). Even their well-traveled veterans like Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks are above .500. Those guys cancel out the four sub-.500 players.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Nov 7, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Very cool. Got Minnesta right. How did the Bucks lose to them again?

by Alex Boeder on Nov 7, 2010 1:43 AM CDT reply actions  

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