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MILWAUKEE -- You want to win half of your road games. Not half of your home games.

But that is where the Bucks stand as we closed 2010 at the Bradley Center.

Milwaukee fell to 7-7 at home after an absolute drubbing at the claws of the Hawks, a team that in almost its exact same shape and form got the better of the Bucks after 12 head-to-head matchups in the calendar year: The Hawks broke a six-game Salmons-spurred win streak last spring in the first matchup of 2010, they beat the Bucks in Game One, and they trounced Milwaukee the last time they visited Milwaukee. This one most resembled that last one, unfortunately.

While they were never really out of the game, the Bucks were never quite in it either. The deficit never eclipsed 15 points, but they also never drew closer than eight in the fourth quarter. Hardly acceptable at home, no matter the injury list. The teams who played closest to .500 ball at home last year -- the Clippers (21-20), Rockets (23-18), Grizzlies (23-18), and Pacers (23-18) -- not only did they not make the playoffs, they were all at least eight games out.

So the Bucks left their encouraging road trip on the road and returned home for a typically horrific / horrifically typical offensive performance. Yet somehow, the Bucks are still the eight spot, right now in.

Star-divide

Three Bucks

Keyon Dooling. The only guy to really, really outplay his counterpart -- Dooling went for 15 points and added nine assists while perpetual Buck-killer Mike Bibby (came in averaging 17.6 in his career against Milwaukee, second highest vs. any team) totaled as many turnovers (3) as points (3).

Dooling's only real weakness was his outside stroke, as he missed five of six from deep. Choice stuff other than that. Pretty much the opposite of...

John Salmons. Mostly this is a matter of all three of his threes going in, as this game would have been only uglier yet (frightening as that is to imagine) had they not. Other than those? Not much. We're typing two rebounds, one assist, four turnovers, zero steals, and four fouls in 40 minutes. He scored 12 points on a perfect 4-4 shooting in the third quarter -- the only winning quarter -- and he's just and justly here for those game-high 18 points on 12 shots.

Andrew Bogut. The matchup between the league's worst offensive starting center and possibly the best defensive starting center was not nearly lopsided enough. Granted, Collins didn't exactly light the scoreboard, and four points on four shots is pretty harmless, but Bogut's 14 points on 19 field goals was more harmful than anything. Bogut did not make a free throw, while Collins made 2-3.

The team went to Bogut early with some success, but he just never looked confident making moves in the post. They threw mostly Collins and/or Horford at him, and that was plenty, I guess. After the game Skiles said he probably shouldn't have kept Bogut out there for so long -- he played almost 43 minutes (Brian Skinner has played a minute and twenty-five seconds this season, and has not played in twenty days).

Three Numbers

73.9 % Atlanta's reserves made 17-23 (.739) shots from the field, led by Marvin Williams (6-9), Jamal Crawford (5-8), and Maurice Evans (2-2).

1. With minutes falling and sometimes non-existant, Corey Maggette has needed to pack in a lot of shots in a short amount of time lately. Well, he hasn't necessarily needed to, but he has this month: 0-5 in 11 minutes against Orlando, 1-5 in 7 minutes against Dallas, and 0-5 in 7 minutes against Utah.

But tonight he returned after three games out and shot just once in 18 minutes, and didn't attempt a single shot in seven fourth quarter minutes as the Bucks shot a miserable 5-20 (.250) from the field in a dreadful, 13-point finish.

10 % Elaborating on that 5-20 fourth quarter shooting mark, the Bucks made just 1-10 in the fourth quarter outside the paint. The Hawks made 6-10 from outside the paint in the fourth quarter.

Three One Good

Dooling it. 'Twould be much more convenient if Dooling and Boykins were clearly bad in lieu of Brandon Jennings, so we could at least try to pin the offensive issues on missing Brandon. But as Dan highlighted earlier in the day, point guard play has actually been a relative (again, relative) area of strength lately. Dooling (9 assists, 1 turnover) managed the game just fine and Boykins (13 points on 11 shots) provided some scoring pop off the bench.

Notably, Dooling has 43 assists and 7 turnovers since Dec. 4, good for a 6.14:1 assist/turnover ratio during that time. Jason Kidd leads the NBA this season at 4.03:1. I want Brandon Jennings backlikerightnow, but still. I anticipated a lot worse than this.

Three Bad

No chance. Or second chance. Allowing offensive rebounds and second-chance points continues to plague the Bucks of late. And not getting offensive rebounds or second-chance points themselves isn't helping the matter. The Hawks doubled up the Bucks in second-chance points (12-6), and while the Hawks only tallied a couple more offensive rebounds (11-9), you must consider that both teams shot exactly 75 field goals, but the Bucks missed 10 more shots, so they had plenty more chances.

Chris-miss. A few weeks ago before the Rockets game, I chatted with Chris Douglas-Roberts in the locker room all about defense. Among other things, I asked him what was stressed defensively in New Jersey (with the 12-70 Nets) as opposed to here in Milwaukee under Scott Skiles. And after a few shakes of the head and finally a helpless half-laugh:

I don't even honestly remember. Honestly. I don't remember what we stressed in Jersey... there was too much going on over there.

Douglas-Roberts started tonight opposite Josh Smith at the three, the wiry Buck giving two inches and 30 pounds to one of the NBA's most electric athletes. But defense isn't just a size or athleticism game. So when CD-R let Smith pass him by right through the lane for a tragically simple layup (his second layup in a row) just three minutes and change into the game, Scott Skiles had seen enough. He pulled Douglas-Roberts for Luc Mbah a Moute less than five minutes into the game.

And after the game, this is how Skiles finished the press conference after a question about how the physically larger Hawks (and Smith in particular) caused problems for the Bucks early (and Douglas-Roberts in particular):

Yeah, but you've got to compete. He just took the ball dribbled right to the basket and layed it in. Caught it, took it where he wanted, laid the ball in the basket. If a guy competes against that, and it happens, because it is the NBA, there's no problem. You've got to be ready to compete. This is what it's all about.

Might go from CD-R to to CD-DNP if that keeps up.

Sked the next seven days. @Bulls, Mavericks, @Heat, @Magic.

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Yikes, what a crap sandwich. Really glad I missed this one.

As I said last month – this team will have to scratch & fight to end up .500 and get the 7th or 8th seed. Maybe.

by victor s on Dec 28, 2010 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

Next.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

CDR the scapegoat????

Shocked to see Skiles single out CDR for 2 layups Early in the game..funny thing is after He was yanked for giving up 4points in the first 4mins, the defensive stopper LRMAM promptly gave up 5pts to Josh Smith in LESS than a minute! Not to mention CDR Is playing OUT OF POSITION. Since Salmons plays 40 mins without being subbed, I guess there Is NO backup SG, which is CDR’s original position. So as a result, he’s overmatched physically on most nights which is an obvious disadvantage. On the other hand, how many times do we see Salmons being beaten off the dribble, unable to get around picks and screens?? Countless! Or how great is Ilyasova’s defense? Nonexistent. And as far as CDR’s shooting slump..awful hard to put up big numbers on 3 FGAs. Awful hard to score when you’re the LAST offensive option. Awful hard to score when the ballhandlers look you off OR would rather TURN the ball over than pass 2 you. The guy has shown he can SCORE when given the OPPORTUNITY to contribute! Sad that after a quick start, he’s been relinquished to just being on the court,, unable to provide a MUCH needed scoring Boost while the chosen ones take 15 or more shots NO MATTER what. I’m SURE CDR could score 12-15 points EVERY night IF he was given 12-15 shots a game like the rest of the team. And I think he actually did great on J Smoove, how about the block, the steals, the ability to DENY a man 3inches and easily 30-40lbs bigger from posting up and easily scoring in the paint??? If I’m correct J Smoove finished with a WHOPPING 13points. Wow. 4 of which CDR was responsible for and called out in the post game. Effin Ridiculous

by CDR4Start on Dec 28, 2010 2:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

How did I know you would be upset by that?

Alex, were you just trying to bait him into blowing up? If so, mission accomplished.

by Brick's house on Dec 28, 2010 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

To clarify, I didn’t ask the question. And Skiles didn’t even name CD-R (or anyone else) specifically. But the question mentioned CD-R (along with the entire team), and it was apparent to me what Skiles was referring to. But he didn’t exactly go out of his way to single CD-R out.

Regardless, the action of limiting a starter to 11 minutes spoke louder than his post-game words. But this is hardly anything new — Skiles has started and has benched just about everyone over the past few years.

by Alex Boeder on Dec 28, 2010 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

15 minutes, that is…

by Alex Boeder on Dec 28, 2010 5:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why do you care so much about CDR?

This is how Skiles works. Geez, calm down.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 I feel CDR is playing out of position as well. He looks scrubby at SF. But we all know Skiles stays with who has the hot hand. Salmons is kinda turning the corner. So…

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Kudos to Scott Skiles for benching CDR

However, there was plenty of blame to go around. This team is in sad shape. The difficult part about it is that they havent fielded an entire squad all season. I mean Jesus, we have Luc Richard coming off screens; are you kidding me?

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Watch out, "CDR4Start" Is going to come after you....

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries

I will simply blow right past him, as J-Smooth did on his boy.

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The truth is the truth

If you’re gonna hold 1 person accountable for 2 Layups in the 1st 4mins of the game, hold the WHOLE team accountable for THEIR actions or LACK of. It’s as simple as that. Call it what you want, makin a guy a scapegoat over 2 layups??? While stickin with a horrible shooting performance night in night out by diff guys is fine and we’ll just work with them until they come around? Bullsh*t at it’s finest, anyway GOOD LUCK Milwaukee Bucks vs Bulls tonight. Interesting to see what happens if anyone gives up 2 layups. Well most likely nothing, they’ll likely be given 40 mins and every chance to work on their defense.

by CDR4Start on Dec 28, 2010 4:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Who's using CDR as a scapegoat?

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We played “Uninspired” lastnight. Point blank.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

We just got beat

…like a drum

Look, I am not sure Hammond is going to make knee-jerk trades for the short term, unless it is a backup center. As for the core group, he is more likely wait until they get healthy (whenever the heck THAT is). I hear Defino is close. Gooden? Who knows? He looked chubby coming into camp (I don’t like the guy anyway).

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I would go get McGee if I were Hammond.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure a rock has more BBall IQ then McGee

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

JaVale is young, and you saw that he could score on us when we played Wash last.
He is way better than Brockman, he’s a Center unlike Gooden. I would take him!

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

We'd probably have to give up too much.

But otherwise, perhaps.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington’s problems with them right now could be our gain!

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's "Shut up" or "Put up" time in Milwaukee!

Bucks have the opportunity to deal. We need to make a MOVE now!
If we do nothing, Hammond might as well go on WSSP and tell the fans this season is a wash!
If there is EVER a time to get the help we need, and turn this season around it is NOW!
Washington has problems right now with Blatche and McGee.
JaVale McGee is being shopped by Washington. (I like him backing up Bogut.)
McGee is young, can score, and would be a better compliment to Bogut than Brockman.
Get Ernie on the phone Hammond!
OR
Cleveland is trying to re-structure.
Sideshow Bob, Hickson, and Ramon in Cleveland.
I would take Hickson and Ramon back if we could, to get better at the PF and the PG while BJ’s out. There is nothing wrong with that!
OR
I see Philly has been looking to deal, I would be cool if we took back Iggy and Brand.
Some of you may complain about cap flexibility, but I would totally do this deal!
 We have this problem here in Milwaukee where were constantly indecisive. Always looking for something better, Maggette was the “Wildcard” going into this season, a potential trading chip if he didn’t pan out here! He apparently is just that, we can tell he’s not happy by his ineffectiveness, he’s given up on us. I would take on this deal in the sense that it would put us in a “Win Now” mode. I would do this deal because Milwaukee needs a majorly successful season or two to comeback to the table, and push the issues with the taxpayers and the city common council to give our Bucks a future home somewhere in that Park East corridor! PF’s I understand would be at a surplus, we could do deals then with NY, CHA, POR, NJ, et Cetera! Philly may get financial flexibility if we dumped Redd’s contract, but being MAXED with this lineup is NOT going to be that bad! This will keep us competitive with CHICAGO…who MAY get more shooting help in JR Smith or OJ Mayo! We need to deal, Who feels me? Discuss.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

How do we know Hammond is NOT working the phones?

Look at the Milwaukee Brewers’ Doug Melvin. We awoke on a Sunday morning to learn we acquired Zack Greinke.

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Would any of you trade Sanders for Hickson?

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t know…by what I am reading on hoops world…Cleveland is apparently looking to add Varejao in a three team deal to help send Carmelo to New Jersey…

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

So Varejao is CLE’s major trade chip…not Hickson

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hickson’s good don’t get me wrong, but Andy is their showcase player.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides, even if we couldn’t get Hickson, I would take JaVale and Ramon or do the deal up with Philly for Iggy and Brand.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

We're not taking on that much money.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone is tripping about “cap flexibility” on here and look at the things we go and do…we sign Gooden to this BS contract…were gonna make knee-jerk reactions any ways…tell me… that Iggy and Brand does not turn our season around for us and make Milwaukee better right now?

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

But Hammond and the Bucks are aiming to cut salary, Hammond has said as much.

"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."

- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.

by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 28, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I for one could handle being “maxed out” with players like what we currently would have if we took on Iggy and Brand’s deals.
It would just be a “entertaining circus” here in Milwaukee.
Jennings was trained in his first year to be this “distributive PG” everyone wants here in Milwaukee. He has deviated because our offense is SO bad. This would help him focus again on distributing when you have a proven scorer in Iggy. Brand is having a solid year, and is just as solid athletically and physically body wise to help us handle Boozer…We are basically making moves to counter Chicago.
Watch how bad we get beaten tonight. Watch more closely at the PF spot. Ersan isn’t big enough to box out Boozer, so their gonna go to Sanders or Brockman. Sander’s will probably jackup a few “Airballs” and foul out and leave Brockman there with limited offensive ability!
This move with Philly would be the indicator for the resultof the game tonight!

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It breaks down to this…Yes, Philly has a shitty record.
But, let me ask you all this…honestly…is Jennings better than Jrue Holiday at this point in his career? I would say “yes”… Is Bogut better than Spencer Hawes or Tony Battie…Yes!
Brand has been solid when healthy, is Brand better than Drew Gooden?
Hell Yeah!
What is wrong with this deal?
We gotta spend money to contend…The Senator has indicated he would in the past …I would feel “comfortable” in the future as a Fan.. knowing that they are trying to “go for it” like the Brewers are.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Re:Deals

I think with us having Jennings and Bogut all ready
Iggy and Brand are logical in the sense that they would make us the most complete. Than you gotta ask yourself as a fan,
is this lineup worth having to dump Redd’s contract, Gooden (in the near future) Brockman, and our wildcard tradingchip in Maggette for?
We already know that Ersan, LRMAM, and Sanders are gonna get dealt at somepoint. We can’t keep them all, there is gonna be some sacrifices made.
Ersan to me is BETTER than Gooden…so, he’s gone.

In REALITY…having a SF that can shoot with MODERATE defense is BETTER than having LRMAM around…Luc’s gone.

Having a backup PG that can distribute, and not sit in the cut and chuck 3’s, that would actually breathe down BJ’s neck during practice is BETTER than having Dooling and Boykins around…Sessions could dish…he only had the Bucks record for asists in once game!

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The "Moves" the Bucks need to make to turn this season around.

I think we either make the call for “Iggy and Brand.”
Then call Cleveland for Sessions.

Or we call Washington for JaVale McGee.
Than call Cleveland for Hickson and Sessions.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Re:Larry Sanders.

Do we give up on Larry Sanders for this year?
He has had some quality blocks for us, but we need offense BAD. Tome I think Larry is about as USEFUL as LRMAM.
He is just too raw “offensively” for what we are trying to accomplish being it already an up hill climb.
Yeah, he’s shown us a “flash of the future” when Bogut was out with back spasms or, when we paired them together at points this year. But, since then, he’s hardly been effective, he gets yanked by Skiles. He’s jacking up"Airballs" and getting sent to the bench in foul trouble. He needs to play everyday, but not where he can be “detrimental” to our team in the process. I vote for the trip to Ft. Wayne for Sanders? He’s taking up a valuable roster spot and we could benefit by having him in the D-league gaining more experience.

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You are over-blowing this CDR4Start

I don’t think Skiles is using CDR as a scapegoat – he is simply doing what he has to. And you can’t compare getting beat off the dribble by someone 30 pounds heavier than you, with missing shots. Missing shots is an “execution” thing; being lazy on defense is an “effort” and “intelligence” thing.

The whole team? Well, if you bench the entire team, who is going to play? Besides, sometimes holding one player accountable “quickly” as an example, works in disciplinary circles. It’s not a matter of “he only have up 4 points” ….it’s the fact that it happened right out of the gate.

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

It’s just wrong to put CDR under the bus this early, can he have a crappy game a couple times this season?

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see it as "putting him under a bus"

CDR is a professional athlete and a grown man. There is nothing wrong with what Skiles did.

by tommyr on Dec 28, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I would discipline players too…don’t get me wrong?
I think CDR getting has good and bad connotations.
But, I think it’s just that Skiles likes to stay with the hot hand and sometimes he gets burned by it!

by bj3Fan on Dec 28, 2010 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

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