Bulls 90, Bucks 77: Rose, Boozer and Deng too talented for shorthanded Milwaukee
For those hoping the Bucks can get back to where they were a year ago, I have good news and bad news.
The good news is that the Bucks after 30 games are exactly where they were a year ago: 12-18. Yay. The bad news? Well, it's becoming increasingly difficult to foresee the Bucks getting anywhere close to the level that saw them finish the 09/10 season on a 34-18 tear.
The Bucks' 90-77 defeat in Chicago in many ways epitomizes what's right and ultimately wrong with the current club, some of it the product of unfortunate circumstance, but much of it self-inflicted. Informed prior to the game that Earl Boykins would be suspended for nudging an official against Atlanta, the Bucks were down to a single point guard against one of the league's best at the position, which only added to the usual injured suspects: Brandon Jennings, Carlos Delfino, Drew Gooden...you know the drill. But the Bucks mucked it up long enough to hang with the division-leading (and Joakim Noah-less) Bulls before the presence of Rose (18 pts, 12 ast, Carlos Boozer (24 pts/9 rebs), and Luol Deng (24 points on 15 shots) overwhelmed them down the stretch. It's not exactly a desirable outcome, but given what we know about this team--and everyone that's missing--it's beginning to feel strangely acceptable.
A blowout seemed like it could be in the offing early on, with the Bucks getting off to an 0/7 start from the field that saw them trail 9-0 less than four minutes into the game. On the one hand you kind of figured the Bucks would somehow manage to scrape their way back into the game--after all, they were crashing the boards, working hard, and this is what they do. But it also speaks volumes about the state of the Buck offense that they can start off missing everything and regular viewers like us don't bat an eye.
Bogut missed a chippy on the Bucks first possession and that became a theme of the evening, as our old friend Kurt Thomas had disappointingly little trouble keeping Bogut from getting buckets despite ample opportunities around the hoop. Though he was once again a major factor on the boards (16 rebs) and as a help defender (4 blk), Bogut struggled offensively for the second time in as many nights, following up his 7/19 night against Jason Collins and company with a Chris Dudley-esque 2/12 night (and 0/2 free throws) that featured two tip-ins and a bunch of awkward, challenged shots inside 10 feet.
But the Bucks' ugliness seemed to lull the Bulls to sleep for extended periods, no more so than in the second quarter when the Bucks somehow outscored Chicago 30-17 to claim a completely illogical 45-44 halftime lead. The Bucks' much-maligned wing duo of John Salmons and Corey Maggette were a big part of it, getting after it off the dribble and combining to score 11 straight for Milwaukee, which managed to spell Dooling at the point with an awkward combination of Salmons and Douglas-Roberts. The Bucks' renewed energy was also reflected in their frequent trips to the line--10 of their 18 free throws came in the period.
The Bulls started the third with an 8-0 run, and while they couldn't put the Bucks away their recipe for success had been established. Skiles decided Bogut was the only guy he could trust to defend Boozer, but the bigger, slower Aussie had to play slightly off the quicker Boozer and could only watch as he rained in mid-range jumpers much of the night. Meanwhile, Dooling and the Bucks had a clear plan to shepherd Rose into the corners and try to force him into a playmaking role. Dooling shaded Rose to the baseline most of the night and relied on a help defender to force Rose into passing, but the former #1 pick accepted the challenge and found cutters and open shooters enough to keep the Bucks honest (12 ast, 2 to). He didn't score at his usual clip (18 points on 17 shots), but overall he did more than enough.
Maggette helped keep the Bucks in it by scoring their final six points to close the third, but the Bucks still found themselves down five to start the fourth, and it was clear the game was slipping away even while the scoreboard said otherwise. After a 1/7 first half that featured five of his shots swatted inside, Chris Douglas-Roberts' baseline floater salvaged a disjointed Bucks possession to score the first points of the fourth, and Bogut brought them back within three a couple minutes later on a tip-in to close another near-disastrous possession.
But their luck finally ran out midway through the fourth when a 12-2 run blew it open. Boozer sized up Bogut and dropped a pair of jumpers over top of the NBA's leading shot-blocker, Korver drained a catch-and-shoot midrange jumper, and Korver and Rose put the nail in the coffin with a pair of long threes.
Three Bucks
Luc Mbah a Moute. This one's pretty easy because he was the only guy who actually played well. Mbah a Moute's work on the offensive boards gave the Bucks a shot of energy in the early going, and he mixed in a couple jumpers and some nifty slashes to the hoop in one of his better offensive performances of the season. Back in the starting lineup, and he deserved to be.
Corey Maggette. I feel weird endorsing Maggette's play tonight--yes, he was pressing and sloppy at times with three turnovers in 26 minutes--but 15 points on 8 shots (6/10 ft) is like manna from heaven on a team as offensively horrendous as the Bucks. He provided a clear boost when the Bucks made their move in the second quarter and kept them alive late in the third as well. He ran out of gas in the fourth, but he had plenty of company.
Keyon Dooling. We already talked about Bogut's Jekyll/Hyde night, but Dooling deserves mention if only because he was the only Buck point guard who actually suited up. He wasn't asked to lock down Rose by himself, but gamely chased the Bucks' floor leader around the court and did about as well as you could hope given the circumstances. His offensive numbers were modest (11 pts on nine shots, six assists) except for an uncharacteristic four turnovers.
Three Numbers
19. The Bucks' surprising Achilles heel of late has been allowing opponents a ton of second chances, but tonight they hung with the Bulls for 42 minutes purely because of it. Bogut and Mbah a Moute grabbed six offensive boards apiece as Milwaukee racked up a 51-42 rebounding edge on the strength of their 19-6 edge on the offensive glass. It didn't always seem like the Bucks had a ton of guys crashing the boards, but the ball seemed to bounce their way for a change and one guy often seemed to outwork a handful of Bulls to get the Bucks their much-needed reloads.
24%. Salmons and Bogut combined for 7/29 from the field...these are your go-to guys, ladies and gentlemen.
30. The Bucks fought back to take a surprising halftime lead thanks to a rather unforeseen 30-point second quarter. Ten free throws played a big part of it, as did a couple of made jump shots.
Two Good
Energy. If the Bucks had been able to bring this kind of energy last night against the Hawks they might have salvaged at least one win out of the week; nevermind that they probably would have lost tonight's game by 40 without it. Nineteen offensive boards were crucial to keeping the Bucks in it and they also looked better on the defensive end, limiting Chicago to six offensive rebounds.
Time off. The Bucks get three days off before taking on the Mavs at home on New Year's Day, so let's hope they use the time to get a bit healthier (and who knows, maybe some more shooting practice). Word is also that Drew Gooden may be ready to return against Dallas on New Year's Day following a cortisone shot to his injured heel--that would at least shore up the Bucks' frontline a bit.
Three Bad
No O. Is it just silly that we're expecting the Bucks' offense to maybe-kinda-possibly turn around? Even just a little?
With the current injuries it's clear that 90 points is a major victory--and on most nights good enough for victory--but injuries don't explain Bogut and Salmons struggling so mightily from the field when they're needed most. Not that they're alone. Ilyasova continues to lay bricks (4/13) and Chris Douglas-Roberts' invisibility continued for the fifth straight game (2/11), getting packed five times in the first half alone. Hey, shooting 32% requires a team effort.
Old reliable. Jeremy made a good point in his preview about the reliability of the Bulls' stars and the complete unpredictability of everyone on the Bucks. Even when Jennings was healthy, you never felt comfortable relying on anyone to give you 15-20 ppg with healthy efficiency, and that's really the essence of the Bucks' offensive issues. While you expect better, it's not really shocking for Bogut to score four points on 2/12 shooting, just as it's not surprising for Salmons or Maggette to be largely ineffective any given night. In many ways the problem boils down to the Bucks having a bunch of guys that are neither great shooters nor great athletes.
Bottoms out. The Bucks once again hit six games below .500, a dangerous position with the Mavericks, Heat (home and away), and Magic up next. It's very conceivable the Bucks could fall to 12-22 before they get a winnable road game in New Jersey, and even that is followed by games in Atlanta and a home tilt against the Spurs. I wouldn't put it past the Bucks to steal any of those games, but I can't help but wonder what happens if the Bucks end up around 13-24 once the schedule finally begins to soften up. That certainly wouldn't kill off the Bucks' playoffs hopes--heck, they're still in the eighth spot as we speak--but the bigger concern is whether you can keep the team working hard while the losses mount. This club has been very resilient in that sense so far, but you can only hope it continues.
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Wrong blog, my friend.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Stay classy, Bulls fans.
It is funny, no other team fans come onto this thread to brag and argue about the greatness of their team than Bulls fans. Not Lakers fans, Celtics fans, or even Cavs fans during the Lebron era. The sad part is that the writers at Blog a Bull encourage this behavior.
by Brick's house on Dec 30, 2010 12:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Um, no he doesn't?
And that dud’s a nonamer at BaB. Way to make generalizations, amigo.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 30, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
This is a direct quote pulled from BaB site for the Bucks/Bulls preview.
Shit talking should be done here: Brew Hoop
I am not just referring to the above comment, but the comments of other Bulls fans on this thread as well.
by Brick's house on Dec 31, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Right...
The words of one person don’t represent the thinking of all of us. With that said, you only see what you want to see; if you think he meant to literally come here and talk trash, then that’s on you.
but the comments of other Bulls fans on this thread as well.
You mean…the two guys who are here? One of whom isn’t even a BaB regular, and the other who seems to be having a pretty respectful conversation?
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 31, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we add D-Wade and Kevin Durant to the Bucks
The offense would suck, anyway. The Bucks offense are frustrating. It’s time to abandon any offensive hopes, play as hard as they can on D and when and if they got a lead, violate the shot clock to make the time pass.
My cat and I have been discussing some trade options
I think we should give Maggette away for free to a good home.
He thinks we should trade Salmons for two better tasting tins of cat food (I’m not convinced he’s taking this seriously). I did point out that our Turkey flavour was a little off at present anyway.
by Bucksnorge on Dec 29, 2010 6:10 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
At least MAggette is consistent
In getting a travel call after a pump fake in nearly every game he’s played this year..
"In many ways the problem boils down to the Bucks having a bunch of guys that are neither great shooters nor great athletes."
Same #$%@, different year.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
We're in a drive and kick offense with no shooters.
Anyone spot the problem.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Nice game summary!
I thought the Bucks defense was superb. Skiles had everyone playing with a great deal of energy. Something happens to Salmons when he gets a big contract. It happened in Sacramento, with us and now in Muilwaukee. He clearly is trying but is no where as effective as when he is first traded to a team. Excellent game summary.
I hate to say it - but this team could completely miss the POs.
Boston
Miami
Orlando
Chicago
Atlanta
NY
Indy
???
They would really have to scratch & claw to get that 8th spot – and the reward would be being booted by the Celtics in 4, maybe 5 games.
Injuries are the obvious culprit [and over-rating some players, IMO] – and it’s not like a trade or two will fix the problems. I think might be a lost season.
I don't know if Skiles is helping either
A lot of guys are underperforming…..which is kind of what we started to see in Chicago.
Skiles coaches an ugly system. You guys have some decent talent in spots at least to be a threat for the 8th spot, even with the injuries…..
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
No playoffs if we don’t make a move!
This team sucks and it’s all Hammond’s fault.
I have never seen a BUCKS team in a while that is just SO agonizing to watch.
Did you sleep through the middle of this decade?
by richardhkirkando on Dec 29, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
"In many ways the problem boils down to the Bucks having a bunch of guys that are neither great shooters nor great athletes."
I’ve been adjusted to that, ’cuz I went along with the line that our guys had IT. The little things that allow ordinary athletes to form a team that wins. Thought we had a GM with a very sharp eye for IT. Thought that was a pretty good combo for a small market.
Right now, I don’t see many intangibobbles. And the teamwork strikes me as ordinary. The basketball is Boring. Effort without production runs out of juice. And effort without change and development offers no hope.
“… it’s not like a trade or two will fix the problems. I think might be a lost season.”
Our play has minimized our assets. One or more trades MIGHT help, but even to this Win Now acceptor, they likely would be costly. Not good for the health of the franchise. I don’t know what situation Kohl is facing. But I suspect he doesn’t have one damn decent option.
Except to endure the pain.
I hope Kohl is happy. He brought this upon himself.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
Bucks should try to trade
Maggette and Ilyasova to the Pistons for Gordon.
They need scoring, BG’s as pure a scorer as they can get. Maggette’s contract is rather prohibitive—but then again seeing as he’s rarely used well, so is Ben Gordon’s.
Gordon and Skiles have a bit of a history sure, but Skiles said when the Bucks hired him that Gordon is a key reason why he was back in the league as a coach and that he has respect for his former player.
BG also played marvelously with Salmons a few years ago in Chicago….
I like Ilyasova actually, he’s having a down year, but Maggette is the poison contract that the Bucks don’t need (especially when they’re paying him $10m/YR to play not even 20MPG because Skiles doesn’t like him.
Pistons get a guy who can get to the line a lot, and can fill in a bit, and they get another big, who’s better than his rep in Ilyasova….
Bucks need scoring, they have the defense….BG’s a reasonably priced scorer, who’s in a guard glut in Detroit.
Maggette can fill in teh 3 spot for the soon to depart Tayshawn Prince. And the Pistons will get a decent backup spread the floor 4 to play behind Villanueva (and maybe dig into some of Charlie’s minutes as Ilyasova isn’t a terrible defender—he’s active a tleast.
If this one doesn’t work
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Done, and done
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland: JJ Hickson, Ramon Sessions.
Sacramento: Landry, Udrih
Philly: Iggy, Brand, Williams
Washington: McGee, Heinrich, Young
Clippers: Gordon, Bledsoe
Minney: Ridnour
Portland: Prizz, Miller
Memphis: Gay, Conley, Randolph
Rudy Gay?
j/k right?
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Problem is
Bucks probably don’t have the proper assets to nab
J.J. Hickson, Iguodala, Eric Gordon or Eric Bledsoe, or Zach Randolph, as their only valued asset is probably Bogut really…..
I think Hickson’s an overrated potential guy, but so be it, he’s rated on his potential.
I don’t see them having a sweeter offer than any other team for Iggy.
Eric Gordon is becoming a little watched stud.
The Clippers think they have their PG of the future in Bledsoe.
Zach Randolph is near expiring, Memphis ain’t taking back long term deals for him, and he’s too good to give for Redd’s expiring deal.
Conley is on a poison pill contract anyway and given teh long extension he’s not being traded.
Rudy Gay is on a max deal that’s fresh, Memphis ain’t dealing him.
I guess you could probably get Sessions, Udrich (why you’d want him is another story), Carl Landry, Elton Brand (why you’d want him is a totally other story—dangling Redd’s deal at the deadline), Nick Young….
I don’t think the Wizards have any intention on dealing Hinrich right now, he’s been their best player of late by a pretty wide margin, and is there to bring along the oft-injured (though when he plays clearly their entire franchise) John Wall.
I don’t know why Minny would deal Ridnour back to you guys (I don’t know why you let him leave actually, he did well as your backup last year).
I don’t think Portland is going to make a minor trade to give away Pryzybilla….
I also don’t think any teams would be eager to pay Redd $8-10M for the last 1/2 year to not play and think he has no value.
I suppose you could maybe take Baron Davis from the Clippers and give the Clipps a first round draft….
But I think the best bet is to deal perhaps with the Pistons…..
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Bucks have assets
They just have to be willing to part ways with them. If Hammond wants to win now he should be in the Melo hunt, Bucks have more to offer than most other teams. If you want picks (Bucks have expendable picks), if you want expiring contracts (Bucks have the biggest one in the NBA), if you want young prospects (CDR, Ersan, LRMAM all come with small contracts and plenty of potential).
If he wants to build he’s got good building blocks in Jennings and Bogut, but he needs to be willing to part with his middling talent. In that case, he should have a talent yard sale and start over in 2011. Trades like Maggette, CDR, Brockman, and 1st Rounder for Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph and/or Troy Murphy for Ersan, Salmons, and Delfino.
Problem with the expiring contract
Is they have to pay him a ton of money to not be able to play him…..it’s not covered by insurance, that’s a ton of money and that hurts them a lot (Redd’s hurt them a lot over the year’s since his injury—not to mention the fact that while he was good, he never really was worth that max deal and they outbid themselves).
CDR’s bounced around a lot already for a good reason, he’s not much of a young prospect.
I do like Ersan Ilyasova, but he’ll never be more than a nice off the bench role player, plus he’s got an expiring deal coming up, so why trade an asset for him if you can pick him up?
Luc Richard MBah a Moute is another nice to have off the benchy-type of player, that just so happens to be a perfect fit for Skiles—and less a perfect fit for most others.
He could trade Bogut, that’s the real value you guys have (a great contract it turns out, but why would you?) It’s hard to replicate his contract and game, and he’s still got an injury bug that is a concern for other teams (he’s missed 16 games or 20% of the time a year and only play more than 68 games in two of his 5 years…). What I’m getting at is that Bogut’s really good, but I think his value in the league isn’t at it’s highest point right now, if they want to trade him (which it would be hard because it’s hard to get bigs with his game) then they’re best waiting through the year to get that value.
Jennings is a decent PG, but he’s not elite (mostly because the PG position is probably at an all time high in the league). His contract is good of course being on the rookie scale, but again, he’s a good top 15 PG in this league and could blossom a bit further…..not sure why you’d do that one.
The problem with the Bucks is that they will be too good to be really bad and get a top pick and too bad to be really good and win in the playoffs (as it seems last year was a bit flukey, and it seems also that the new expensive pieces—mostly Maggette and his pretty terrible contract that was hard enough to trade last year for the Warriors—when Maggette probably ahd his best pro season mind you) is now even harder to trade now that Skiles is keeping him in his doghouse.
Salmons I guess might be on the eye of some playoff teams given this weird trend of his where he’ll come in mid year and be just the perfect ticket to success. But now that he’s on a big multi-year deal and isn’t getting any younger, that’s a concern….
It’s too bad, I want the Bucks to do well.
I think Skiles is actually hurting you guys long term by making you overachieve with lesser talent (something he did in Chicago).
The Bulls would be totally f-d right now because of Skiles machinations and playing the less talented but hey they play hard in my system and we can surprise with flukey wins in the reg season, if we didn’t luck out and win the Rose draft lottery with the slimmest of margins at 1.7%.
While perhaps that can happen to the Bucks down the line, it’s unlikely. And who knows if the league “fixed” that a bit. I’m a Bulls fan, but you have to wonder if the league got tired of 2 of it’s 3 biggest basketball markets being in relative shambles (New York and Chicago)…..it’s funny that both Chi and NY are on the rise, and suddenly the league viewership is up what 35% (28% up in not Heat games)….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Well he bounced intot he 2nd round
And Jersey it seemed couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
He went to Milwaukee on a minimum deal.
He’s not playing well.
He has no value.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
I think maybe 5-6 of these guys are available
Hickson for coaching disputes
McGee for fighting Blatche
Iggy and Brand for their horrible contracts
Priz and Randolph cuz he’s expiring
Miller cuz Roy said so
Forget the rest. Not available.
As Yogi Berra said......
I watched my Montreal Canadiens scrape and claw to get the 8th seed on the final weekend last NHL season, and then beat Washington(1 seed) and Pittsburgh(2 seed) to reach the conference final. Yes the NBA is different than the NHL but sometimes it’s about when you gel as a team, so until we’re officially eliminated from further play, I’m still believing in this team.
Only guy I would look at moving right now would be Ersan if I could get a fair to middling C for him. Gooden, Maggette and Salmons are untouchables I believe, that is no other team will touch them.
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
It sucks too
What a bad, bad, no good off season. Hopefully the new CBA gives us some wiggle room.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I could see this season finishing like 02/03
Everybody starts to get healthy, we get hot late, sneak into the playoffs, and become everybody’s sexy upset pick in the first round. Hopefully with a better ending.
by richardhkirkando on Dec 29, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
I still like Gooden - when healthy, he has pretty much done what he was brought here to do.
And his contract isn’t as bad as some make it out to be, IMO.
Salmons and Maggette, on the other hand….
Our main problem
Skiles’ offense relies on shooters, and we have no consistent ones other then Delfino, who’s out in no mans land. This team isn’t built for a Skiles offense.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
I vote for run and gun
Still think the team(maybe excluding Bogut)is built for a fast-break style “O”
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Agreed to a point, this team has looked a lot better when we pick up the pace on offense and move guys around quickly.
Instead Skiles opts for a Bo Ryan-like 2 MPH offense that has just killed us because we don’t have the right personnel to execute it effectively.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Oh well, it's not like he's going to magically change his system mid-season..
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd love to see Bogut in a "motion" type offense - his passing skills are 2nd to none among big men.
He just has never had a chance to show them off as a pro, thanx to all his crappy coaches & ball-hogging teammates over the yrs.
SUMMER MEMORIES.
I honestly think that ALL the money Milwaukee spent over the summer was good for NOTHING against the Bulls…The off season acquisitions…where were they when we needed them?…This was the “Yard Stick” game that would tell us what our moves over the summer really were…NOTHING…Mags was merely ok this year…He got to the line a few times…he has no business camping out at the arc… and trying to jack three’s like he did……Gooden against Boozer? That never happened, because he has “Old Man’s feet” the orthotics are not working, get him a walker?…Pure waste of money! Good Job Hammond! You were the “toast” of many GM’s jokes this summer… And Dooling is such a drop off as compared to Ridnour, The man can’t hold Rose for jack…I don’t know why Skiles took Salmons off the point or off Rose on D…He was doing all right in both of those assignments? It’s just brutal to see how we matched up and how “ineffectual” the moves we made over the summer ACTUALLY are…and the Bulls played good enough just to win…we could have won if someone could hit a damn jumper?…WE NEED TO DO A DEAL NOW!!!!!
I disagree
Whoa, Dooling defended Rose better than 90% of the PG’s in the league can. Matter of fact, that may be a stretch, maybe 100%. Ridnour would have gotten BURNT out there. Look at D Rose’s numbers, then look at last night. I like Dooling, its taking some time to come around, but he’s coming around more than any of the other new guys. And Salmons only guarded Rose so that Dooling could get a breather with Boykins and Jennings out. 48 minutes is impossible for anybody.
And the you can’t measure this team without Jennings, its just rediculous. Expect to lose a lot of games until he gets back and hope nothing else goes wrong in the mean time. I’ll say it over and over, no way the Bucks miss the playoffs in the East, and if they play the Celtics and are finally healthy come Game 1, the Celtics might be looking at a Clips vs Mavs situation back a few years ago.
Ridnour
In the past has always had this weird effect on Rose’s game, kind of similar to what the (better/more talented) Hinrich did to Wade….
But I thought the combo of Dooling and Salmons did fine on Rose yesterday.
THe problem is that Skiles first isn’t using Maggette well, and second that Milwaukee isn’t as talented as even teh depleted (no Noah) Bulls.
Also that Carlos Boozer’s been just about the least talked about free agent coup this summer. I know he was injured to start the year, but the dude is balling, and at $25M less than Amar’e and without Amar’e’s high risk bad knees, Boozer’s a safer and cheaper bet for pretty equal game. He’s been just short of phenemenal since he worked his way into the Thibs system and into game shape.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
It's too bad for the Bucks
I want to root for them to beat anybody but my Bulls of course….
I thought they did a decent job this summer, though I cautioned it was all on Jennings, as I felt he was a bit of a flukey rookie (he started off so well). Jennings is perhaps a bit better than I thought (though he’s hurt), but he’s not looking like the game changing all star his rookie rep had him out to be, which isn’t a surprise to me from watching 10-15 games. But hey he’s at least a starter in this league.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
The Depleted Bulls?
Gooden, Jennings, Delfino thats 3 starters and Boykins out.
But I agree Skiles sucks a utilizing Maggette.
Noah is better than
Gooden, Jennings, and Delfino…..
And really of them only Jennings is a lock starter (though Delfino works well in Skiles’s system. I don’t buy that Gooden’s an everyday starter, he’s more there because well they’re trying to get something that works).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Dec 29, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is coming from a Bulls fan
Noah is better than Gooden OR Delfino. If the Bulls didn’t have a premier PG, they’d probably be very willing to swap out Noah for Jennings.
Perhaps they would
But Noah is pretty good.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
No they wouldn't
If we’re not trading Noah for Carmelo Anthony, there is no way we’d trade a talented big (who’s getting better and who when healthy might be a league leader in rebounds (heck he averaged 12-11 for the last 3 weeks playing essentially with a broken hand, and in that time he slipped from his near 17-15 that he had before the injury), for Brandon Jennings.
Jennings is a good PG, but he’s probably going to have the Luol Deng syndrome (Except that right now the PG position is more stacked at the top than the SF positon).
Do you really ever see Jennings being in the same class as the following PG’s?:
Derrick Rose
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Rajon Rondo
John Wall
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
(I ignored Nash because well he’s getting up there, even if he’s still in their league in a few years, Nash might finally fall).
At best he could peak at perhaps 8th…..but he’s not quite there yet (Felton’s having a monster year, Evans is having a terrible year but well last year he proved he was in this tier, so I have to think it’s the injury (and the fact that he looks out of shape), Devin Harris is probably still better than current Jennings—even though I irrationally have always hated Harris and prefer Jennings).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Noah's perhaps a top 3-5 C right now
Jenning’s isnt a top 8 PG.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Again
If you didn’t have D Rose in Chicago, Joakim Noah probably would have been traded already and definitely D Rose boosts everyone’s potential on that entire roster.
As of right now, Brandon Jennings is better than John Wall. BJ3’s rookie numbers were better than D Rose’s rookie numbers. However, I beleive D Rose is a special player, a physical specimen for his position and therefore he will probably be one of the best throughout he career, top 5 consistently. Rajon Rondo is a victim of circumstance, in 2 years when Allen, KG, and Pierce are gone, if he doesn’t re-up an all star cast, he’ll be nothing. BJ3 can definitely be better the Parker, but D Will, CP3, and Rose are definitely in a class over their own. Jennings could and probably will be at top 5 PG in his career IMO.
Jennings is not better than John Wall--and Wall might be THE PG soon
And still no, Noah is a top 3-5 C in the league….
Bigs are always expensive….
I don’t think Noah would be traded.
Tony Parker is one of the most underrated players in the game today (though he’s clearly the bottom of those 8 I listed, he’s a great PG).
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Better than each individually, yes
But I’d have trouble believing that Gooden/Jennings/Delfino’s combined value over their respective replacements isn’t higher than Noah vs Bulls current C rotation.
by richardhkirkando on Dec 29, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
That's what we used to say in Chicago
Saying, Deng, Gordon, Hinrich combined have to be better than your star x player.
Problem is stars trump the role players…..
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Adding more to this
Deng-Gordon-Hinrcih are better too than the 3 you listed there, only Jennings is in the class of Deng and Gordon (And poor HInrich, who slipped, though the last month has seen him play his best ball in years for the hapless Wizards).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
We seem to have a lot of people coming into this blog that like to yell and shout.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
They suffer from voice immodulation, Speedy
They’re unable to control the pitch or volume of their voices. Also known as Van Horton’s Syndrome, VI is a recognized psycho-medical condition which you may have read about in Newsweek or Crack Magazine. Numerous prominent Americans suffer from this debilitating disease, Speedy, including the guy who played Rodge on “What’s Happening” and tennis great Pete Sampras.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
by TheJay on Dec 30, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A little bit softer now
A LITTLE BIT SOFTER NOW
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
I live in a van down by the river FWIW.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 30, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
People need to relax and realize that injuries are the MAIN reason the Bucks are where they are.
They have been jinxed since summer league. These things happen in the NBA. Sometimes you just get screwed.
It’s very possible/probable the Bucks come back next year w/ the same healthy roster and win 50+ games.
Unfortunately, I think 2010/2011 is almost out the window because of injuries.
I think there is more to it then just injuries, but I see what you're saying.
Unfortunately Maggette, Salmons and Gooden are only going to regress from this point, and we’re playing them a crap load of money to do so. Meanwhile, Delfino is probably going to end up medically retiring for all we know.
The more you think about it, the more depressing it gets.
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I agree w/ ya regarding Maggette & Salmons - I think DG can still put up 12/8 for a few more yrs
Luckily, CMs deal is done in two yrs, and we’d be paying Bell/Gadz the same this yr – and Bell part of it next yr, so I can almost live w/ that.
Salmons is just depressing – worst case scenario is becoming true.
I’m also skeptical about Carlos – even if he does return, he’ll be one good hit away from retirement – that’s why I feel they should go after a younger, skilled SF, IF they’re gonna make a trade. Or maybe in the draft?
Agree on 3 things
Gooden is okay, injuries(and tough schedule have been huge), Salmons has disappointed(the one free-agent signing I wasn’t keen on)
Disagree with Maggette, he was brought here to score and get to the line, when he’s playe, for the most part he’s done that. 15 points in 26 mins last night, in his biggest stint in a while
Disagree with the season being lost, I even think we could catch 6th.
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Yup - Salmons was the one contract that scared me...
given his age & track record of playing great after a trade and/or in a contract yr..
I just didn’t think he’d suck this bad. I was hoping he’d be a good #2 or #3 scoring option.
Maybe 15 – 17 ppg w/ a nice fg%.
But…. not so much.
Ugh.
I don't know if the contract year thing is correct
Considering last year was his contract year and he played like absolute dogsh#t in Chicago before the trade.
But the trade this is peculiar and too bad. I think Salmons is a good guy, I don’t know what’s wrong with him, and I don’t think it’s from lack of effort as he tried in Chicago last year. I think perhaps he’s better when he improvises, but when he actually has time to learn the plays he sucks because he overthinks…..otherwise I just don’t get it.
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The season isn't lost, at least not with the east as weak as it is
I think if Skiles plays Maggette more and realizes how to use him properly, he can improve, he’ll always have his low “Basketball IQ” though. However in an interview recently he gave his time here so far an “F” grade….
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Just imagine how good Portland would be w/ a healthy Oden & Roy
They’d be contenders – now they’ll be luck to finish .500.
Just with Oden they'd be great
A Healthy Oden was seemingly the piece they needed to be a lock West finalist. A healthy Roy was the good to have 2nd weapon, but with Aldridge playing hte way he is, he and Oden together would have overpowered all, and Andre Miller would have been a great PG for that team…..
Roy would have been solid too, but Oden was the key to their ascension. He was a monster just before going down to injury last year…….and he was getting better by the game.
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Re:"Summer Memories"
I think this season is done.
Except it Milwaukee, we “underachieved” pathetically.
And were not relevant anymore on the national scene.
But, the part that gets me… is that we can’t tank!
We don’t know how? We can’t draft right…Look @ Hammond’s WASTED pics now?
10 years has proved out to be unfruiitful, we don’t get the bounce of the ping-pong ball.
Why?
The League could benefit from OUR success, with all the comments about contraction.
I am pist off. Going into the UC a Bucks FAN can be a dangerous feat!
Over reacting? It’s early! Jennings is out! Were injured. STOP STOP STOP!!! How bout you quit being homers and admit WERE just NOT good..AT ALL.. right now?
Our Summer was wasted like that dude said!
Unless… we CAN swing a deal? And right the wrongs of these trades!
Maggette wants out…Send him to Cleveland..Send him somewhere WORSE than us!
Maybe then… for what…the 6th seed?
But for right now…with the team we have.
Who wants to be the 8th seed… just barely getting in?
It’s not like we could do some damage with this broken roster of chronically hurt journeyman players?
This team has NO heart, NO drive, NO killer instinct.
Skiles, has costed us some games this year too with crappy line-up’s!
Sanders needs to be in the D-League, Skinner is a wasted roster spot!
I am sick of the “one and done” nature every year for this team… this team HAD expectations remember EVERYONE!
Low expectations in Milwaukee is OUR problem!
I say… Trade our assets’s for a “Win now” mode while it is still early!!!!!
Okay.
And were not relevant anymore on the national scene
We never were. Maybe for 2 months last year.
I say… Trade our assets’s for a "Win now" mode while it is still early!!!!
I thought the season was “done”, according to you? And it depends who you mean by “assets” but I think that’s kind of what got us into this in the first place, so it could be kind of risky depending on who you go after.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
even in the late 70s and early 80s
The Bucks were not relevant on the National scene, aren’t now and never will be unless some Michael Jordan type player comes here. And I haven’t seen a deal mentioned that would help this team.
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Like my man Kenny Smith said
Every team in the NBA is jusy a Kobe away from a contending, just a Lebron away, just a D Wade away.
The feer the deer campaign
Started to get some buzz…..last year.
Jennings was blabbed on and on on Espn because of that 55 pt game.
You guys were impressing the national scene a bit for a small market….
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Seriously, this is Marko, right?
Please keep your comments brief, if you want to write that much, write a fanpost. Comments are meant to be more of a back and forth, not a long monologue.
by Brick's house on Dec 30, 2010 12:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm watching the Wolves right now and Ridnour is manning the point
We could have used him…Sigh
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
Not at the contract he signed
That was the right move, Salmons is my one question mark. Let’s see how we play when/if everyone is healthy.
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
I know, but I'd like to imagine...
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Our assets:
1. Draft Picks that if given the opportunity to have available, Hammond is just gonna blow on useless players so that alleviates the actuality of this poor ability atleast for one more year.
2. Our logjam of PF’s and Tweeners like Sanders, LRMAM, Skinner, Ersan, Brockman, Maggette, Gooden… I hear can be traded later next month. Yay!
3. Redd’s contract, the grand daddy of them all.
This may not be popular, but this IS an option…
4. Jennings, dangle him out there. See what teams interests are!
He distributes, he's no Chris Paul but it's clear he makes the rest of the team better on the court.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
The reply button helps to follow a conversation, just a quick FYI
As for Jennings, I think all you have to look at is how the team is playing with Dooling at the point.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I think BJ would be better utilized
In an up-tempo style, but I think we can win with him.
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Imagining him playing for the Knicks...Wow
Nevermind, those are bad thoughts, bad thoughts indeed.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
No use trading him
What could you get back…..unless packaged with something else
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
But when i think of an offense
Similar to the Knicks here, I think of Sanders, Jennings, CDR, Dooling, maggette, I think it could work
Chris Bosh said he's happy because he can get League Pass now in Miami. In Toronto, said he didn't have "the good cable."
Especially Maggette
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he's played in that kind of system already
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'd trade BJ for a high lottery pick and go after Irving or B Knight [maybe]
Maybe to the Clippers? The whole “L.A.” connection?
No trading Jennings
Jennings is a really good PG. He’s probably a top 10 PG and only in his 2nd season. He’s not going to get back an all-star and trading a proven player with a rookie contract for an unproven rook is a bad idea.
People talked so highly of John Wall, Evan Turner, DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors and together you don’t have jack squat. Most of them wish they picked Larry Sanders right now to be sarcastic, but seriously there are numerous guys out perfroming them at lower draft positions. Jennings still might be the best pick over the last 2 drafts minus Blake Griffin.
Ummm... have you seen John Wall play?
Wall is clearly more gifted than Jennings – and it’s not even close.
I’m not going to get into the “who’s better” and the “we should’ve taken this guy” debate.
BJ is good and was a steal at his draft position – but he’s small and flawed and by no means untouchable, IMO.
John Wall
I live in DC, I’m a wizards fan 2nd to only the Bucks. John Wall is the physical prototype PG. He’s got Russell Westbrooke size and D Rose quickness and athleticisim. However, he hasn’t shown a jumper better than Mbah A Moute among many other skill and motor deficiencies. BJ3 lacks the size and some of the athleticism. His skill levels and drive trump anything I see in Wall. Projecting forward, I think BJ3’s drive keeps those areas well ahead of Wall’s development especially developing under Flip Saunders and the band of Wizard houligans that surround him night in and night out. JaVale McGee has the same potential as John Wall, probably more, lots of freakish athletes with prototype size don’t turn out the way they project in the draft.
by FearTheDeer on Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Jennings isn't a top ten PG.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 30, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Name ur 10
Situation by situation. CP3, D Rose, D Will, Nash top 4 uncontested. They create everything for there teams currently. Everything and placement after that is subjective. Anybody else mentioned will have a much better situation that Jennings. For example, Rondo is very good at playing along side of KG, Allen, Pierce etc, put him on the Cavs and he might play back-up for Mo Williams…pretty sure Mbah A Moute would win a shootout with Rondo. Those 4 are the only 4 in the NBA I would say when you acquire them, you will feel secure with them as ur best player. Thats the only PG’s I’m giving the edge on BJ3’s potential so while some guys may have better numbers (haven’t looked at the stats other than PER) like Rondo, Kidd, Westbrook, Nelson, Felton, etc…its a lot easier to make plays when your dishing to or the beneficiary of a double team on Dirk, KD24, and the big Celtic 3 than to Bogut and the Bucks Brick-laying Unlimited Crew. Prime example is Felton from Charlotte to NYC.
by FearTheDeer on Dec 30, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
1. Paul
2. Williams
3. Rose
4. Nash
5. Parker
6.Rondo
7.Westbrook
8. Kidd
9.Billups
10. Curry
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 30, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Point and Case
At this time last year, most ppl wouldn’t have thrown Felton in their top 20. A’mare wanted Ridnour, not Felton. Basically the wind blows and the bottom 5 change. I can’t even rank after Westbrook at 5th.
Westbrook is a monster
And might gulp be the Thunder’s best player—even if that’s heresy to the great (And he is phenomenally great) Kevin Durant.
THe Thunder win despite probably having the worst frontcourt in the league (Green’s an out of position 3 playing a 4, similar to what Shard did—an ok player not fantasticaly great), Ibaka’s their best post guy but has little O and is perhaps at best a role player in the post—though I’d take him, Krstic hasn’t been really anything since he got hurt 4-5 years ago, and Collison’s an undersized, less talented hustle guy (who’s been hurt of late).;….
They win not only because Durant is so good, but Westbrook is sensational.
You have an argument with the others, but Westbrook is in that first class. He knows how to impact a game.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
True
I originally wrote 5 with Westbrook and removed him, however I still want to see how their season turns out before I put him with the rest of that bunch. There’s a large gap between Rose, D Will, CP3, Nash……Westbrook…..rest.
Well I'd put Parker and Rondo on that group
Even if Parker can’t defend a tree and Rondo can’t shoot, they still find ways to be crazy effective (I do think Parker dips down after Rondo, etc), but case in point.
Jennings could reach #8-10 at some point, but I don’t know if he’s there yet and I don’t know if that’s good enough on a smaller market club with some not godawful, but not many good contracts (Bogut and Jennings are your really only valued contracts, and of them the only one expensive enough to yield anything good to great is Bogut, which you aren’t trading).
I don’t think a Jennings-Redd combo is enough to get that max player you’d need, and it would need to be a superstar PG or you’d be screwed (I think the Hornets could get more from Paul)—you’d ahve to use Redd’s contract to get a stud, because nobody’s going to say trade Melo to the Bucks, and pay Redd $8-10M to sit, and take one of your bad contracts in turn for many years….and the other assets you have (Ilyasova and picks) aren’t good enough really without one of your two good players……esp since your draft picks will probably be in the 10-16 ranges.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
He's no where near as good as Durant.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 30, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm..
Haven’t watched him much this year have you.
Westbrook’s been balling.
23.7 PER, 22-8-5-2 (pts, assists, boards, steals)
Durant
23.8 PER, 28-3-6-1
I say fairly equal….knowing too Westbrook’s running the team…
And Durant’s not just a star, but a prime time star/stud.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
Actually, I've watched him plenty
and Durant is efficient with his 28 per game. Westbrook’s barely efficient with his. Not to mention, Durant’s the one taking all the attention off of Westbrook, and as much as Durant gets help from Westbrook, he’s still not the one taking 17 seconds off of the shot clock to almost lose the ball twice then get a foul call while barreling into the rim.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 31, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Westbrook's not far off of Rose
Not far at all.
I love Durant, but Westbrook’s this still little known weapon. THat team has littl ebusiness doing anything with the frontcourt they have (Especially when they don’t play Ibaka always consistently—even if he’s just energy/hustle and athleticism, he’s the best frontcourt talent they have)…..
They’re awesome because they have KD obviously, but also because Westbrook’s coming on strong.
Sure he’s not the best pure PG in a PG sense, but he knows his strengths and makes up for the mistakes with the aggression, speed and ability to turn anything into a break.
But fair enough. I was more trying to say the gap between KD and Westbrook isn’t as large as many thought…..
Obv a 7 footer with KD’s skills and age makes him incredibly desirable for any team….and KD’s a top 5-10 player and will be for years.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
Skiles offense relies on shooters?
If this is truth, there some available options out there. Korver, Ben Gordon, Morrow, Mike Miller, even the brainless game of JR Smith provides some nice shooting. But, after all, Redd is (or at least was) one of the best shooters of the league. I really believe injuries are throwing all the offseason moves away. I mean, maybe some quick rebuilding, giving up some pieces (Salmons, Maggette, Ilyasova, Brockman) to bring a big men to backup Bogut, pretending a 6th man (Milicic, Przybillaor someone else), or giving a f*** to the season and try other thing, like Hansbrough, McGee, Ibaka, Hawes even Splitter and his foul trouble sidekick. Maybe the ideal starters were Bogut, Gooden, Delfino, CD-R and Jennings, with Sanders, Dooling, Boykins, LRMAM and the result of the trade of the bench.
Yeah, some trash talking here.
And seriously.... The Bucks would easily be .500 if BJ, CD, and Gooden had played all the games.
Not to mention if Salmons had been healthy to start training camp.
It’s unfair & unrealistic to judge this team w/o having all the players available.
Boston got smoked by Detroit last nite w/o Rondo & KG….. just sayin’
Where'd you find the news about Gooden?
I tried searching for it but couldn’t find it…
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
That he had a cortisone shot in his heel and could be back by Saturday.
"Center Andrew Bogut was asked how the Bucks are fitting in their many new players so far. Chris Douglas-Roberts -- one of those new guys, not happy with his role -- chuckled in the next stall."
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 30, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions

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