Decoding the struggles of John Salmons
What's wrong with John Salmons?
In a Bucks season that has asked more questions than it has answered, Salmons' struggles may be the biggest riddle of all. Not that there's any shortage of theories: he's too old, he's too unlucky, he's a slow starter, he just wasn't that good to begin with. Odds are that if you're a Bucks fan then you have some clear opinions on the matter. And considering that Salmons is almost 31 and signed a new five year contract over the summer, some of those explanations are much more worrying than others.
What does seem clear is Salmons' importance to the Bucks' bottom line. The former Miami star has averaged 17.0 ppg, 3.7 apg, and 3.9 rpg on .467/.435/.758 shooting in seven Bucks wins, but just 10.2 ppg, 2.7 apg, and 3.3 rpg on some seriously terrible .318/.306/.771 shooting in 12 losses. It's no surprise to see key players putting up better numbers when their team wins (fun fact: the opposite is true for Corey Maggette), but Salmons' splits are the most extreme on the team--which makes sense considering how much the Bucks have been leaning on him even when he's not producing. Scott Skiles didn't have many alternatives while Chris Douglas-Roberts was out with his eye injury, but as the Bucks get healthy they have more options and less excuses for riding Salmons while he struggles. Which begs two important questions: what's the real source of Salmons' struggles and can he get his game back?
Let's examine the evidence factor-or-fiction style with some of the most common explanations for Salmons' downturn:
"He's lost a step." With some guys you can just tell when they're not as explosive as they once were, but Salmons' style makes him a bit tougher to read in that sense. He's always been more smooth than explosive, relying on his length and body control to ease by, shoot over, and bounce off defenders rather than simply jump over them. Even a year ago, I liked to point out that Salmons probably finished more plays as he was coming down than anyone else in the league. Per 82games, 72% of his shots as a Buck last season were jumpers and just 1% were dunks, very similar to the numbers he put up in Chicago after being traded in 08/09.
So Salmons has never been an above the rim guy, but it figures that you can only play so far below the rim before you're no longer an $8 million per season player. Indeed, his shot selection has become even more jumper-biased than in previous years and his finishing at the rim has dipped considerably as well, though the latter is a trend that actually began last year. According to Hoop Data, Salmons was remarkably consistent from '07-'09, converting between 63% and 64% at the rim in each of three seasons. But that figure dropped to 57% and 58% with the Bulls and Bucks, respectively, in 09/10, still solid but hardly amazing, before cratering to a Brandon Jennings-like 42% thus far this year. And not only is Salmons not scoring, but he's getting blocked on 28% of his inside attempts, notably higher than the 16% figure from a year ago. Moreover, he's also getting less opportunities (1.9 fga per game at the rim this year vs. 4.2 with the Bucks last year)--suggesting he's beating his man less consistently than previously. That's also borne out by his lower free throw rate (3.6 fta in 34 mpg vs. 5.3 fta in 38 mpg last year).
All those numbers paint a troubling picture of Salmons suffering a sharp dropoff in physical ability, though there are at least a couple of mitigating factors to consider. For one, I think the Bucks have often been far too predictable in their play-calling, relying heavily on Salmons to create off the dribble (usually after a high screen to free him on the left wing) rather than playing in the flow of a more movement-oriented offense. That's somewhat reflected in his statistics as well: less than 30% of his "at rim" field goals are assisted, well below the 43% of a year ago and his lowest figure since 2007 (when the HoopData stats begin). Those figures are hardly surprising, as the Bucks have been awful at getting anyone easy buckets--whether in transition or by executing out of the halfcourt. Then again, the Bucks often relied on Salmons to initiate offense in a similar fashion a year ago, so it's probably inaccurate to place too much blame on Salmons' role in the offense.
Having space to operate is also a concern. Rather than having a capable three point threat like Carlos Delfino parked in the far corner when he drives, Salmons now has Luc Mbah a Moute. That means the weakside defender can stand about three to four feet closer to the lane than they might otherwise, giving them extra time to close when Salmons drives from his preferred left wing into the lane. In fairness to Mbah a Moute, the Bucks' offense has been better with him on the court than off, so that explanation is difficult to test in spite of its theoretical attractiveness. Mbah a Moute's on/off numbers are also slanted by the significant minutes Mbah a Moute gets at PF where his lack of consistent jumper isn't an issue. Perhaps not coincidentally, that's where Mbah a Moute was starting down the stretch last spring when Salmons was so on top of his game.
"He's still hurt." It's certainly worth noting that Salmons missed the entire preseason with a sprained knee, which obviously didn't help him early in the season. He played under 30 minutes in three of the first five games, cracking double-digits just once in that span. He's gotten slightly better since then, but that's not saying all that much. And despite a couple of decent games against Denver and Orlando, Salmons was back to struggling in a 2/11 night against Miami on Monday. Does he just need to get his rhythm back? Could be, though the concept of rhythm is so abstract that I'm not sure it explains much.
"His jumper has just been off." The easiest excuse when a guard is struggling? Oh, he's just in a shooting slump...give him some time! And it's true that Salmons' jumper hasn't been as consistent as a year ago. He's making just 36% of long twos after making better than 40% both of the previous two seasons, and his three point accuracy has fallen a fair bit as well (33.3% from 38.5%). But his biggest problem area is at the rim and his ability to get there, which runs contrary to the "shooter's luck" argument.
"He's always been a slow starter." This has been trotted a few times of late, and it might be easier to sell to Bucks fans since it jives with Salmons' strong finish last season after a forgettable first half in Chicago. But there's really no evidence of it in Salmons' career splits, and I'd argue his strong finish last year had more to do with a change in scenery than a predisposition for playing poorly early in the season. Over his career, his pre/post all-star stats are virtually identical and there's little trend to be deciphered in his monthly stats either:
Last season was a clear exception, as Salmons played the best ball of his career following his trade to Milwaukee. Often times people say the same about his trade to Chicago in 08/09, but in truth he was pretty damn good with Sacramento and just kept it up following the move to the Bulls.
"He wasn't that good to begin with." All of Salmons' 10/11 numbers are down relative to his career averages, but it's probably worth reminding everyone that Salmons has hardly been a consistent high-level guy over his career. He's generally been a good complementary scorer and wing defender, but he might also be miscast as a number one scoring option. It worked for a 30-game stretch last spring, but even then he struggled to replicate that success in the playoffs against Atlanta (17.0 ppg, .404/.174 shooting).
Conclusion: Salmons needs time...and a shorter leash
So what do the Bucks do? Salmons' contract makes him more or less untradeable at the moment, so they have little choice but to make the best of the situation and hope Salmons can get his game back together sooner rather than later. Considering just how poor he's been through 20 games, it seems almost inevitable that he would show some improvement from here on out, but mean reversion alone doesn't guarantee he'll come anywhere close to his performance last year. And in truth that's not the worst thing in the world--given the Bucks actually added offensive talent over the summer (funny to say that, isn't it?), he shouldn't have to score 20 ppg.
All told, the Bucks would also be well served re-examining Salmons' role in the offense and making sure they don't try to ride him when he's clearly off his game. Skiles seems to have too much invested in Salmons to bench him at the moment, particularly as Chris Douglas-Roberts works to get his legs and a grasp of the Bucks' offensive and defensive sets. And while Salmons isn't a true #1 offensive option, he's certainly not as bad as he's shown so far this year. The Bucks need him--they just can't afford to wait for him much longer.
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Great analysis
All cogent points, Frank. I especially like the part about the short leash. True, Salmons is not a #1 option but like all SGs, they need opportunities and shots. Skiles’ offense worried me in that regard. I realize that moving the ball around is key, especially for a team that has not true go-to guy. But as I wrote in another post, it seems that guys who should not be shooting a lot, are shooting too much. This offense has to get a trite less democratic.
Shooting guard not producing...
…is really bad news for us. Throws unflattering light on the rest of the team. For example, Mbah’s lack of offense at SF looks glaring. With Delfino down (and out?), there’s nobody else. Bet Hammond is a busy GM – tho good trades are hard to find.
Offense in general
Thanks for a great article Frank. I have some random comments from a fan who watches every game. I want to note the offensive flow in Orlando compared to Miami. In Orlando there was a lot of ball movement but also movement off the ball. In Miami it was dribble try to find my own shot and pass to the next guy who would try to do the same. If there was movement off the ball we were not finding the open guy, but when it is on each guy’s shoulder to create a shot that leaders to very few easy shots. No one would look for Bogut on the pick and roll. Bogut only caught the ball outside the paint and is limited on getting closer to the rack. Why not lob a few up and let Bogut get to the rack and tap them in.
With Salmons against Miami he had pressure on him EVERY time to create his own shot because when he got the ball there was a guy in his face. We need to figure out how to get him more open shots so he can get his confidence back to rise up and knock down a 3 with a guy in his face like he did at the end of last regular season.
Last, I know we can’t go back but when we were sucking on offense last year Luke Ridnour and his 10 points a game would relieve a ton of pressure. He would come in and make 50% of his jumpers (he is at 47% for overall FG% and 3FG% in MN) and keep the offense moving, and penetrate and get guys good looks. If our 1st team was behind the 2nd team would even make up ground for us. I know free throws and size at PF were important, but you can’t help but wonder keeping in mind the chemistry article written previously if Ridnour would have been more important than Gooden or Maggette.
Dooling & Boykins
… were probably fill-in pickups for Hammond. He likely knew they were notably better than “nothing,” but not good enough to supplement an erratic starter PG. Boykins has probably been as expected (not much) and Dooling has likely disappointed. Well, he MUST have disappointed, with poor shooting and frequent mental lapses. I think Hammond is looking to upgrade, though perhaps only the draft will address the problem.
From thinking we were too deep, we now see weakness at PG backup, SG, middling at SF, same-old-same-old at PF (if plantar facisiitis persists and Sanders must endure inexperience), and questionable depth at C. What a predicklement…
As I’ve offered before, I think Ridnour liked us (liked the “magic” of last season) but left to advance his career. We miss him (strange to recall how much initial disdain there was for him from many fans) but I think his departure was written in the stars.
Very good points, as Frank's post
The Bucks have lost that perimeter, and in and out of the paint, ball movement that so many benefits gave us last season. This has to do with Carlos and Luke’s absences and with Maggette’s inclusion, among other factors.
Great stuff, Frank....
I do want to point out that Milw has a 5th yr buyout on Salmons contract [for 1mil i think] so his contract is essentially 4 yrs, not five – not that it really makes a difference as far as the trade option.
Maybe next yr, depending on the CBA situation.
But I really think Salmons will be shopped after next season
At that point, he’ll have 2 yrs @ 8mil per left on his deal [plus the buyout] – not great, but not terrible – especially if he’ll still have a lil left in the tank then.
As long as he doesn’t get noticeably worse than he is right now, I think a playoff team would like him off the bench – and even at 34[?] he’d probably be very good playing 15-20 mpg on a good team.
who would be stupid enough to take on Salmons contract? It'd be like someone taking on Maggette at 30 million ober 3 years.........oh wait
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Well.... actually the Bucks are really only paying Maggette 16 mil for 3 yrs....
If you factor that they’d be paying Gadz & Bell this yr, and Bell next yr.
Still a good move, IMO – atleast from a talent perspective.
haha I still think Maggette and Gooden make sense if we are performing like we did last year
but we cant get that mojo going so they look out of place admittedly, they are meant to compliment what we had going, not turn around a bad team which they have never been able to do…….
Salmons on the other hand that was just a bad bad deal based on his historical performance
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
If Milw can salvage 2 yrs out of Salmons, they could mover him after next yr.
He’d have 2yrs – 17mil left on his deal at that point, counting the buyout.
A team that needs cap relief/bench scoring could deal for him. Provided he doesn’t suck even more than he currently is ; )
cmon Stern baby void those contracts
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
He is the goat of this year's team, and I don't mean "greatest of all time"
I think he just got paid, its that simple, human nature to not bust your but as hard in the offseason or preseason or regular season when you are guaranteed big pay checks weather you shoot the ball at 23% or 34% or 51%, and your still going to get those checks if your team is 15-5 or 5-15. Its not just his offense that has been bad, he has been a notch or two below how he defended last year. Maybe they should try bringing him off the bench. Or maybe the offense should be running thru Bogut,Jennings,and Magette with Salmons as a 3rd/4th option.
If I were the GM, I would cut Dooling, there has to be someone that would fit better
with this Bucks team as a backup PG that can run the offense and knock down shots. 2nd move would be to make Salmons the sixth man, its worth a shot, what do you have to lose.
lets be honest we got a lot crap on our roster.........
and the bad thing is we signed them all this summer, so we gotta man up and take it
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
Great stuff.
I think we probably should have seen this coming, at least speaking for myself. However, I don’t think it’s very plausible to suggest that all of a sudden his game has just gone down the deep end. The numbers that you showed def. show a downward trend, but I don’t expect players to suddenly fall apart one year after having a great (at least half year) the last.
Our lack of floor spacing and general offense hasn’t helped either. IMO, Salmons is at his best when he has a lot of room to work with on the floor. Now players can afford to sag off on guys like Moute with an inconsistent jump shot and overwhelm Salmons. Plus, our team has been very indecisive this year, everyone seems to be afraid to take the open shot, or they just don’t know whether to pass it or not.
I think Salmons will get better, he almost has too, but I don’t think we can rely on him to be our #1 option anymore. If we do, then we’re probably goners…
"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
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"I'm not Nostradamus or anybody, so I don't know. Luckily, this is the worst injury I've had in my career so far."
- Drew Gooden, on the severity of his toe injury.
by Jacob Grinyer on Dec 8, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
whatever trust Salmons earned last year has surely been thrown out the door
to be fair whether its his injury from pre season, poor conditioning, or just bad form whatever, Id prefer he got the message loud and clear that he has to earn his position in the starting lineup, starting CDR isnt perfect but at least we know he will attack the rim, be athletic and compete……….Salmons needs to earn back his spot
That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness.
agree with points made
Even if a player gets minutes disproportionate to production, can’t we see how CDR fares as a SUB on a regular basis (enough to work up a sweat, get in rhythm)? I think CDR can be part of the solution for the Bucks shooting woes.
So glad that the Bucks got a much needed win last night. GO BUCKS!
Too much thought
The truth is, Salmons only plays hard when its a contract year. Im a kings fan (…i know) he juked us too! We sign him on, fat! Then followed by a realization hes fallen off. Traded to bulls, lights it up first year, then…? Bucks, ima tellin you, get out now.

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