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Hawks/Bucks: Possible playoff preview in Milwaukee

2009/2010 NBA Season

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45-24 (17-17 road)
vs.
38-30 (23-9 home)
March 22, 2010
Bradley Center
7:00 PM
Radio: WTMJ AM 620 TV: FSN Wisconsin
Probable starters:
Mike Bibby
PG Brandon Jennings
Joe Johnson
SG John Salmons
Marvin Williams
SF Carlos Delfino
Josh Smith
PF Luc Mbah a Moute
Al Horford
C Andrew Bogut

(3rd) 111.9 - OFFENSE - 104.5 (23rd)
(12th) 106.6 - DEFENSE - 102.6 (3rd)
(26th) 90.6 - PACE - 92.5 (16th)

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Peachtree Hoops / Hoopinion / Hawks Str8Talk

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Playoff Hunting.  The Hawks' 119-114 OT home win over the Spurs officially clinched a playoff berth for Atlanta and moved them into a tie with Boston for the third-best record in the East.  Atlanta owns the head-to-head tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping the season series 4-0, but Boston has the more important tiebreaker in that they're guaranteed to be a division winner while Orlando leads Atlanta by 3.5 games in the Southeast.  That's also a big deal to the fifth seeded Bucks, who at 38-30 hold a three game lead on sixth-seeded Miami.  As for the teams' remaining schedules, ESPN has a great page tracking what each club is facing the rest of the way.  Atlanta has eight of their final 13 games on the road but just six against winning teams, while Boston has eight of 13 at home and eight against winning clubs.

Meanwhile, the Bucks have a home-heavy finish with nine of their final 14 at the BC, but nine against winning teams--including a finish that features home games against the Celtics and Hawks before the finale in Boston on April 14.  Needless to say, the Bucks will be hoping that Atlanta and Boston aren't still battling for playoff positioning at that point.  Chasing Milwaukee for the fifth spot are Miami (four home, eight away, just one vs. +.500), Charlotte (8/5/3) and Toronto (7/7/7).

Jennings.  Thankfully, the rookie's on-court game is still much more impressive than his off-court game.  Via Bucks.com:

Jennings is averaging 19.1 points with 5.9 assists, 3.9 rebounds and 1.3 steals in the last seven games, shooting 45.0 percent (45-100) from the field, 54.8 percent (23-42) from three-point range and 87.5 percent (21-24) from the line. Jennings is averaging 3.3 threes per game in those seven and the Bucks are 12-7 when he hits three or more threes in a game.

Peaking?  In reading up on the Hawks I read a pretty interesting State of the Franchise post over at Hawks Str8Talk.  Not only was it an interesting take on Atlanta's situation, but it's also food for thought as we consider what the Bucks' recent success means for the future. Consider:

1. Hawks have reached their plateau as presently constituted.

I make that comment not to say that there are not ways that the team could play better, grow as players and a team, but with our current philosophy in team offense, team defense, and a pretty consistent lock on the rotation and lack of changes in our strategies. We are who we are. Anyone who thinks otherwise will need to show evidence of it. Our problems with 4th quarter offense, with playing elite level defense, and with focus are well documented and frankly - nothing has changed about that all season.

The Hawks will be an interesting team to watch this summer, as there's already plenty of speculation about Joe Johnson leaving for New York (and his former coach Mike D'Antoni) or one of the other teams ready to throw their cap space around.  Do they try to re-up the soon-to-be 29-year old Johnson for the long haul or risk taking a step backward next year rather than overpay a non-superstar?

The Bucks may face a minor version of the same dilemma if/when John Salmons opts out of the final year of his current deal this summer.  That looks increasingly likely now that the 30-year old Salmons is putting up big scoring numbers (19.8 ppg) since escaping Vinny Del Negro's doghouse and making his way north for the greener pastures of Wisconsin.  But as discussed in the FanPosts, I think most of us agree that the Bucks would be well-served not to get too carried away with their unexpected success this season.  As much pressure as there is to add to the existing roster, John Hammond's best move may be to let Salmons walk if another team is willing to offer a multi-year deal for the MLE.

Underlying any discussion of Salmons' worth is how good the Bucks can be with him back in the fold (and perhaps another immediate rotation player from the June draft).  You could make a good case that the current Bucks are playing about as well as could be expected given the talent on the roster, meaning that going from the mid-40s to mid-50s in the win department will likely require more than just standing pat.  The exception would be if Brandon Jennings and/or Andrew Bogut make huge strides next year, which isn't out of the question (more so in Jennings' case).  But that's really at the heart of the Bucks' dilemma--is the Bogut/Jennings base enough to be a consistent 50-win team?  And even if it is, how much more do they need to be a real contender?  I don't think anyone believes the team as currently constructed has the firepower to challenge teams like the Lakers, Cavs and Magic in April, May and June, but the question then becomes what the Bucks can do about it.

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Samhan?

I have watched Omar Samhan from St. Mary’s a fair bit the past 2 seasons (bizarrely, I get to watch a Gaels game a week, whereas I’m lucky to see one Bucks game every 3 months – damn Oz TV!). He has had a steep improvement in his senior year, to the point where he looks to be dominating night in, night out.

Big body (6-11, 260), mobile, can score, rebound and block the lights out (and yes, from a weaker conference, but just look what he did to Richmond and Villanova). A good body to back up Bogut at PF and fill in at the C. Don’t expect him to be a star (or a lottery pick), but his stock is on the rise.

Just a thought. I don’t have much to compare him to as I haven’t seen much of other similar players (except AJ Ogilvy who has SUCKED every time I’ve watched a Vandy game! – yes, we get a lot of Commodores games too!)

Please feel free to shoot me down if this all sounds a bit ignorant :)

by Big Crazy Dave on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I saw him a bit against Gonzaga in the WCC tournament and only a little against Richmond. I had no idea what kind of stats he was putting up when I first saw him, and just assumed he was a chubby, unathletic big who also had some good skills for his size. It just so happens that the Gonzaga game was his only single-digit scoring effort of the season, so I it never occurred to me he might be a prospect. So I was pretty surprised when I later saw he was putting up such monster numbers, even blocking nearly three shots per game.

I can’t imagine he’d ever play PF given he’s so slow, but it sounds like his combo of skill and size may get him drafted. FWIW, John Bryant of Santa Clara (also in the WCC) put up 18/14/2.5 bpg last year, went undrafted, and is now in the D-League putting up good numbers (14/10). He’s not in any of the mock drafts from what I can tell, but could make more of a name for himself if he plays well against Udoh from Baylor.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've caught both his games

He’s an excellent prospect for Europe. He didn’t seem that mobile to me, so I’m not sure about his NBA potential.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

canned Salmon?

was considering this one quite a bit recently, especially since Salmons stellar/clutch play over the roadtrip (minus his mid court barge into Chauncey & getting pick pocketed by Melo…..say we didnt add Salmons and stayed put with Charlie Bell we are coming back 0-3 I imagine so the effect of Salmons is certainly tangible in terms of wins/loss columns. So there is that to consider say adding Salmons, has added what 6-8 wins to the column? Are we confident of finding a ready replacement if we do pass?

While we have discussed the value of being prudent regardings Salmons, I think its a lock that he opts out unless he comes up bust in the playoffs, I think it also valuable to realise that with our level of talent and lack of depth, its important to make sure we also add talent whenever we can because we are short on depth. And it ok to say pass, but what can we replace him with or add. I suppose that makes this draft important can’t really afford a miss on a first rounder…seen the effect of what adding good first round talent can have at a cheap cost as opposed to Yi & Joe Alexander….it just changes the paradigm of your ability to upgrade without adding payroll……….and just the buzz of adding a young guy with talent is an intangible plus

I think Salmons was on a deal at 25/26 million over 5 years from Sac, so what he is looking for 3 years at around 20? or maybe 4 years at 25? So it’s right in that bracket of tough decisions, also might depend on what they want to with Ridnour as he is coming off the books

kinda surprised by Salmons, have to admit I thought we would just be getting a volume shooter who could score abit and not much else, adapted quite well into Skiles system, certainly hasnt been a liability on defence too much, and his scoring has been alot more efficient, not afraid to take the key shot, which is kinda huge with this team, hits the free throws again huge on this team so…………

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 3:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree that Salmons opts out

1. he’s shown that he can still play, that the Chicago duldrums were probably due to VDN being a crap coach, and be a top 3 player on a playoff team

2. there are a lot of teams with cap space…and not all of them can land a max FA (or two)

3. with the uncertainty of the CBA, Salmons will likely get more in his future deal if he opts out now than by waiting a year.

by hunter11 on Mar 22, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

also.....

personally Id value a victory over the Hawks team just abit more than that of the Nuggets at the Pepsi………..I know its ridiculous but just something about the Hawks team screams Id like that notch on our belt and would make me confident of a decent play off first round

Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Jamal Crawford…..screams out at me as being one of the best rounded top 6. Whilst the Nuggets, no offence to Dantley, but they pretty much did what they wanted the other night, mailed it on defence, and played a bit of one on 5 offence, whilst everyone else stands around…and without K Mart, Ty Lawson & Affalo in a funk there are few gaping holes

hey Ill take 2-1 anytime, but in terms of convincing dominating play against two lottery bound teams we didnt get that………

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm..

If Salmons leaves I highly doubt he’ll be looking at a bigger paycheck, but perhaps a similar contract for more years to come. The CBA would have to be heavily influencial on his decision. Otherwise, he’s playing for a team where he is needed and winning, getting a top tier paycheck for him next year, and allowing his family to be close by in Chicago. I wouldn’t be shocked if he opted out, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he regretted that decision.

by FearTheDeer on Mar 22, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Playoffs

If the Celtics and Hawks end up with the same record and the C’s win their division, that 4-0 record for the Hawks against them doesn’t matter. The C’s would get the 3 seed because they did win the division, at least thats what I have heard.

What do you guys think, who is a better match-up for the Bucks? I would tend to think the C’s, we could get out and run on them, wear them down in a 7 game series, but they still play great defense. Opinions?

by JoshN on Mar 22, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Definitely Celts

While the thought of lining up against Jesus Shuttlesworth, Paul Pierce and KG never seems pleasant, I believe our hops in advancing to the second round look a lot rosier against the Celtics. Yes, they are two years removed from a title. Yes they are playoff tested. Yes they still play the best defense in the NBA.

However, after the starting 5, who do they have? Nate Robinson is the only effective player off the bench. Rasheed’s cadaver, Big Baby, and Tony Allen would get ran off the floor by Ridnour, Stack and Ers. I’m sure the thought of playing KG heavy minutes against the Bucks isn’t a pleasant one for Doc Rivers.

Bucks vs. Celtics would end up Bucks in 7.

by c_mf_m2 on Mar 22, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have Marquis Daniels

Robinson, Daniels and Davis is an effective bench. I agree Wallace is finito, but unfortunately he matches up pretty well with Bogut. Even in the last game he defended Bogut pretty well + forces him to drift to the perimeter.

Doc Rivers uses a lot of all-bench units in the regular season but during the playoffs he’ll always have at least 2/3 starters out there with the bench. Their bench isn’t as weak as it looks now.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Division winner tiebreaker comes before H2H

As Josh said.

I’d still lean towards the Hawks just b/c of their relative lack of experience, but it will be interesting to watch the last few weeks of the season to see how the Bucks match up on the court with both teams.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawks

The Bucks would demolish the Celtics in 2nd chance points, but other than that I don’t see many reasons to like our chances.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

hoping this is a battle...

i want the Bucks to come out and at the very least be uber aggressive on defense and just selfless on offense… i wouldn’t mind this one getting a little chippy either… i want to see some fire from the Bucks in this game…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Bucks 6th in Hollinger's newest power rankings. 6TH!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings?year=2010=21

Incidentally, the Hawks are 10th, so I guess the Bucks better win this game.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/powerrankings/03/22/week21/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

On Schuhmann’s NBA.com rankings, Bucks are still 11th, and the Hawks are 6th.
In summary, Hollinger must have been a little impressed by the 2 and 1 road trip, Schuhmann not so much.

by Brick's house on Mar 22, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

6th........I just choked on my weetbix

im about to google how to reverse a reverse jinx

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW those are Stein's rankings

Hollinger has us 12th, which is entirely numbers-based….though it does weight recent performance more heavily.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peaking

I agree with that Hawks writer. Atlanta doesn’t have many ways to improve from where they are. They’ve been extremely healthy this season, that core have been together for a few years, and after Josh Smith remarkable improvement this season there is no obvious candidate for future MIPs in that roster. I’m not sure where they go from here. Will a MLE type of acquisition propel them to the next level?

I think the Bucks need the season to play out to decide what to do with Salmons. As of now, I’d rather use a long term MLE contract in other free-agents.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Marvelous Marvin

If the “other” player to go before Dee-Ron and CP3-DNP-INJ steps up his game even further, he could very well propel the Hawks to an even greater stratosphere, even if JJ departs for greener paychecks (provided they corrall a Baron Davis/Monta Ellis-type scoring PG). Marvin Williams has shown uber-ability and combined with J-Smoove, the two of them on the wing could wreak utter havoc on most East teams. If JJ departed, Marvin could become a 22-10-5 threat from the 3.

Chicks Dig The Long Ball.

by ILuvDaBush on Mar 22, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bogut & Marvin both sucked it up pretty much last night......

yeah being in Atlanta’s situ you have to hope improvement comes from Marvin & Horford, otherwise its running to stand still pretty much, gotta feeling if Joe Johnson leaves which he seems interested in doing, Salmons comes onto their radar, just from what he showing everyone now

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 23, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here

Not sure if the Bucks are, however…

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

very nice LRMAM...

LRMAM is really bringing the effort tonight… even more than usual….

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

very good passing big...

that is why it is so nice they feed him the ball so much because it’s not like he’s a black hole down there…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawks recovering off Bogut doubles

Bucks aren’t going to win if they can’t get open shots from post doubles.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

they won't be able to recover all game and if they do... hats off to them...

they will tired of chasing all game… the bucks are really making the hawks work defensively…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

true...

LRMAM is really intense tonight though… I’d hate to pull him early… he is keeping a lot of balls alive and glued to his guy defensively…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey.... where the fuck is the horn?

i love the horn… why did they stop using that?

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

you could hear someone on the hawks just said shit when stack got that open shot….

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm probably just being nostalgic

But I’d still be happy to have Joe Smith on my bench

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree...

very saavy vet… very good knowledge of the game…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

also agree

He played very well today

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, very impressive. They’re shooting 55% of their jumpers >15 ft and 63% of their 3s.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great inbounds play

Their jump-shooting accuracy will come back to earth in the 2nd half, I think.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

58% shooting for Atlanta, 43% for the Bucks. Lots of good shooting from Atlanta, but don’t tell Skiles that. Agree with Joana, there almost has to be some mean reversion in their shot-making…on some level a nine point deficit isn’t the worst thing in the world. That last three is tough…reminded me a bit of that play we ran for Salmons late in Sactown.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Bogut

Bucks reacted to all the doubling by getting him no touches in the second. Hate that.

I’d like to see Bogut try to face up a bit more so he can see the floor better—might be preferable to post Horford given his size, but passing out of the double is more predictable when Bogut has his back to the hoop.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

keep feeeding him and when they double just keep swinging it around...

they will either get an open shot or make the hawks work on defense which will end up tiring them out and showing up later in the game… making the defense work and move has ancillary effects on the rest of the game…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or try to drive off ball swing

If they’re flying at shooters to close out then you should be able to pump fake and use their aggressiveness against them…of course I’m ignoring that we only have one perimeter player who can drive to the hoop :)

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jennings is useless right now

He looks afraid to shoot, and then when they completely leave him alone he misses. Just put Ridnour in and let Jennings sit the rest of the way.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hard to believe the Bucks actually won that quarter

But would have been big to get a hoop there.

Also, does Josh Smith block every shot right at the apex? Nobody seems to tread the line b/w block and goaltend like he does.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Dunk Contest Winner

It’s like a “Get out of Jail Free” card for goal-tending. Ask Jordan or Vin-sanity. Why do you think Dwight Howard goes to such lengths to acquire the crown? Unfortunately, Nate Robinson’s crown is about as useful as a swimsuit for an Inuit.

Chicks Dig The Long Ball.

by ILuvDaBush on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's so good in the post

Better than Kobe. I don’t understand why he doesn’t go there more.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is just so damn big for a swing

he wasn’t always that solid was he, did he bulk up quickly or over several seasons

by Brick's house on Mar 22, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You expect Ridnour to get trucked by JJ, but Delfino and Salmons looked even worse somehow

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to make a bold prediction

Bucks won’t win if they continue to allow 55% shooting. I know, I’m gutsy like that.

Also, it’d be nice if Bogut played less like a turd. Horford outplaying him again.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty weak charge call

Bavetta must have felt bad for that block call on Delfino before.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Bogut

I’ll ask for the 2nd straight game: does Skiles bring him back or let KT go?

Bogut was crap in the third but at some point you gotta go with your best player don’t you?

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think Bogut is completely healthy

I suspect he’s playing through some injury.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

They picked a bad night for that text question

both Jennings and Bogut stinking up the game tonight

by Brick's house on Mar 22, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

WOW

can’t believe Carlos finished over Smith

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

almost looked like and-one too?

by Alex Boeder on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

5 of Bogut’s 10 shots have been blocked tonight.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

God makes both his FTs

The Bulls are winning. That’s good news for the draft picks swap.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Yay win!

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 22, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

very nice victory...

this team just executes so well… and even though johnson was hitting everything they were mostly contested… good D overall

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Another gritty win

This game was funny. Wild west shoot-out with a close end.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Still feel like Atlanta outplayed us

Maybe that’s because Bogut/Jennings were again non-entities for the most part

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am getting nervous about that.

How long can the Bucks continue to win without contributions from Bogut/ Jennings? It is a tribute to Skiles that they have won the games they have without them.

by Brick's house on Mar 22, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Partially

Also because they shot the ball very well. And because we didn’t put LRMAM on Johnson till the very last possession. And we didn’t take advantage of how they defend the ballscreens, like many teams do. Personally I don’t feel the Hawks are a superior team to the Bucks.

by Joana on Mar 22, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

paddles........hit me again

Nuggets at Pepsi, Atlanta………legit

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

What a finish by the Bucks

Executing on both ends of the court. Good solid D to close it out and another great win. Well done.

insert aussie stereotype here

by Laughton on Mar 22, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Still confused why Stackhouse was left out there so long trying to guard Smith.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're cashing in on all those close losses from a karma standpoint...

I’ll take close wins against teams as good as the Hawks. That said, I’m really hoping we can be more convincing Wednesday against Philly.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Continues to impress

Luc Richard acted as a bona fide stopper tonight, what a weapon to have late in a game like that.

by derflotr on Mar 22, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

huge win Atlanta have been clutch in the last two games at the death.........

and after we blew it in OT against them at the Phillips……….big win…backing up the Nuggets win…..even with BoBj combo not taking any requests again tonight……..huge that we can still get it done with other guys stepping up

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Would a Salmons deal at the MLE really be a bad thing?

He isnt that old and he has been the difference since we got him. We have overpaid way too many reserves in the past thanks to Larry Harris, but is 6 mil a year really that much for a very solid SG? I just love this guy, how can any Bucks fan not? Doubtful we can get a difference maker wing player at no. 11-18 in the draft, seems like a big bruiser might be more realistic.
Also had a dream that we signed Carlos Boozer…haha…that would be sweet. It could work since Redds and Gadzs contracts are coming off after next year and the tax doesnt take effect til after the season, correct?

by 808bucks on Mar 22, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Salmons at 3 years for about 5.5 mill per would be fine...

Any more years or higher money would be pushing it in my mind…

by Superelkman on Mar 22, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salmons' Psyche

He’s primary banana in the backcourt right now, but in the near future, the primary banana is going to be BJ3. Salmons has a long history of not accepting demotions well. Furthermore, if Redd does end up coming back next year, Salmons will be third banana in the backcourt with a lot of volume shooters in front of him. I definitely appreciate what he is doing right now and I hope we win at least one round in the playoffs, but I have no qualms about letting him go if the alternative is a cap-stretching move over multiple years.

Chicks Dig The Long Ball.

by ILuvDaBush on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Horford would be nice, but what about David Lee this year? Most say if Knicks sign 2 max players, they won’t be able to afford him also. Considering they didn’t give him a long term deal this year, it could happen. Plus maxing Al might hinder us when we need to re-up BJ. Im almost hoping BJ doesnt turn into a stud (lol) so we don’t have to max him out but him being a top 10 PG would be more affordable. But we are still 3 more yrs away from that. Go Bucks! Who woulda thought?

by 808bucks on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t see Atlanta letting him leave.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess Redd's gigantic deal...

lingers in my head that a Salmon’s deal at 1/3 the cost yearly of Redd’s would be a steal.

by 808bucks on Mar 22, 2010 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Al Horford Jonesssss

full disclosure………..I have to admit Horford is my favorite player outside the bucks…….and Im sure it is the fact that if you looked up the Antonym to Bogut……youd find Horford……maybe not as talented as Drew but brings it consistently every night…..sigh

plus by pairing them together we never have to watch Bogut suck against Horford…….55% FG, 10 RPG, A block and a bit and a guy who the other night was defending Duncan & Ginobli!!!!

Im starting to like this idea more and more

I kinda look at Lee, And look at how D’Antoni is running this team, and I just think he runs alot alot of stuff through Lee, and im not sure how much David Lee helps, plus it would mean Bogut wouldnt get to pound on him when they match up……..

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

the way Salmons is going.......someone is going to throw a kitchen sink at him

might be pricing himself out of our range with this play!!! maybe some strategic Skiles benchings when we are playing some lottery fodder will help bring his price back down?

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

What if you offered Salmons one year for something like $7-8 mil?

We have his Bird rights, so we can go over the MLE—not that I’d want to do that for multiple years. But I’d love to keep him for one more season and then have flexibility in the summer of 2011. That’s my main beef with a multi-year deal, but maybe you can tempt him to avoid that by giving him a premium to only sign for one year.

I think the valid follow-up question is “flexibility in 2011 for what?” And to be honest I don’t really know. It’s not like there are a ton of great UFAs available in 2011. But I think you have to be realistic about a 30-year old guy playing by far the best ball of his life. He’s a smart player and he’s not relying on pure explosiveness, but I doubt we’ll be getting this for all of next year, much less the time beyond that.

by Frank Madden on Mar 22, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

very valid assessment

in an perfect situation we get the extra year from Salmons…….but with the CBA coming up I think he looks to lock down a multi year deal……..but yeah this is where you have to hold your nerve abit and maybe make a gutsy call which Hammond has shown he is willing to do…..will he David Caruso him? If someone pony’s up a good offer I think Salmons bites, there isnt much you can do you dont want to get into a bidding war

I think you look at flexibility for 2011 maybe not in terms of signing a big FA….but you have room to make some plays, it will help alot if Hammonds hits again in the draft.

by ILIKEBJ'S on Mar 23, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

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