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Game 61: Bucks/Wizards

The Bucks got it done at the BC on Wednesday
2009/2010 NBA Season

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21-36 (9-18 road)
vs.
31-29 (12-20 road)
March 5, 2010
Verizon Center
6:00 PM
Radio: WTMJ AM 620 TV: No Local (LP Only)
Probable starters:
Randy Foye
PG Brandon Jennings
Mike Miller
SG John Salmons
Al Thornton SF Carlos Delfino
Andray Blatche PF Luc Mbah a Moute
JaVale McGee
C Andrew Bogut

(22nd) 105.3 - OFFENSE - 104.5 (23rd)
(20th) 109.1 - DEFENSE - 103.3 5th)
(19th) 92.2 - PACE - 92.7 (15th)

Linkage:

Bullets ForeverTruth About ItWashington Post / D.C. Sports Bog

News/notes after the jump...

Star-divide

JS: Salmons' calming influence
Think of him as Michael Redd without the baggage.  After dropping 32 and 22 in his previous two outings, Salmons is now averaging 20.4 ppg on .470/.364/.872 shooting in his eight games with the Bucks.  And while he has only had a couple games where he racked up decent assist and rebound numbers (2.9 apg and 3.5 rpg), the most important stat is 7-1: the Bucks' record since he was acquired from Chicago a couple weeks ago.  Charles Gardner spoke to Scott Skiles about the Bucks' big acquisition:

"He's a steady influence," Skiles said. "He's pretty much the same every day. You don't get the sense in a big game or a not-so-big game that he's going to ride the emotional roller coaster up and down.

"He's not going to get rattled out there."

While fellow swingmen Carlos Delfino and Jerry Stackhouse have also had their fair share of moments, neither guy can create quality shots and trips to the free throw line as consistently as Salmons, which is what the Bucks have been missing since Michael Redd tore his ACL the first time.

Just as importantly, Salmons isn't wrecking the Bucks' cap situation, nor does he carry the on-court burden of being a max player expected to be the team's best player every night.  I think it's easy to overlook how much that likely weighed on Redd's ability to lead and play within himself over the past few years.  On the flip side, his resurgence on the court also increases the likelihood that Salmons opts out of his $5.8 million option for 10/11, which could put the Bucks in an awkward position this summer.  At 30, Salmons isn't exactly on the upswing of his career and he'll likely be looking to cash in with a multi-year deal, especially if he helps lead the Bucks to a surprising playoff trip.  John Hammond has been perhaps the shrewdest guy in the league when it comes to knowing when to cut bait on a guy--ask Richard Jefferson, Charlie Villanueva, Ramon Sessions and Ben Wallace (in Detroit)--so I doubt the Bucks would toss Salmons a four or five year deal.  But someone else might.

Courtside: The Moute Effect
One thing I meant to link earlier this week was Ty's excellent post about Mbah a Moute's impact on the Bucks' resurgence over the past couple months.

But Skiles knew a few things.  One, Moute’s perimeter defense was overrated, or at least it wasn’t enough to mask the fact that he lacked traditional small forward skills.  Two, Moute is actually a more effective defender against interior players, where his quickness and effort level are quite disruptive.  Three, playing Moute on the inside allows him to do what he does exceptionally well — offensive rebound like a man possessed, and convert those opportunities into points, both of  which he has done exceptionally well since the  move.

Ty put this together before Salmons' explosion the past couple games, but I think the underlying point is Mbah a Moute's resurgence since he moved back to the PF spot.  That means we may have to acknowledge Luc more or less is what he is: a tremendously versatile defender whose lack of perimeter and ball-handling skills make him a suboptimal fit at SF, while his lack of ideal size means he's never going to be a prototype PF.

Maybe we should have seen it coming--remember that Mbah a Moute burst onto the college scene at UCLA as a freshman but never really made much progress in his remaining two years at UCLA.  So he's essentially always been a fantastic role player, and while there was some hope last year that adding a jumper might turn him into more of a pure SF, it hasn't happened.

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Bold Prediction: Jennings shoots better than 35% and Bogut gets more than a couple boards

So very very bold on Jennings.

I think Blatche has had another two weeks of flash, now he can go back to being a 9 points 7 boards kind of guy he isn when he doesn’t explode and get everyones hopes up

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Mar 5, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

I think Blatche is going to be a solid player in this league...

I remember when he fell into the second round… I think it was the last draft high school players could enter before they made the one and done rule… he has the frame, coordination, and skill for a guy of that size to turn into a borderline all-star… that said he isn’t fully developed yet but surely can hurt you…

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the most important thing is he’s scoring with high efficiency. Lots of guys can score if they get a ton of shots, but he’s shooting well above 50% and rebounding, too. I’m not sure if he’s going to be a real star, as he’s got some of the same questions that Charlie V had—questions about his work ethic, motor, etc. But he’s definitely balling right now.

by Frank Madden on Mar 5, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

offensive rebound like a man possessed, and convert those opportunities into points, both of which he has done exceptionally well since the move.

I love this about Mbah a Moute….

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

First Live Bucks game of the year for me!

I’ll be at the Wizards/Bucks game for my first live action this season. I hope to see a good game with the Bucks holding off the Wiz kids in the end!

by handheld on Mar 5, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I have commented on this before but wanted other opinons...

Do you think Salmons opts out if he continues to have a great finish to the season?

I think he does because this is the last year before the new CBA and there are a TON of teams with cap room or their MLE which he could surely get from someone.

If he does what would you resign him for? Ideally it is 3 years – 18 mill or so but if another team offers him 5 years 30 million and it is either pay him this or lose him what do you do?

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think he would opt out

Given his age, the numbers he’s putting up, the cap uncertainty in 2011 and the availability of cap room to so many teams it makes sense.

I definitely wouldn’t want to sign him for more than three years, and even that’s probably stretching it. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Bucks just let him walk given his age…this is kind of the classic scenario where a team overpays a guy for his short-term impact. Don’t forget the Bulls loved him a year ago, too.

by Frank Madden on Mar 5, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I have thought about that since they traded for him

If he keeps going on his tear I bet he walks away, with idiots like Joe Dumars out there to buy up anything that’s scored 30 points in a game. He’s as good as paid. My hope is that Josh Childress comes back to the US and the Bucks look at signing him again. It could happen, and it would be a good piece moving forward

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is...

we need a guy who can create on his own and Salmons is a guy who can do that…. if he does walk we need to replace that in the lineup… Stack is just OK at this at this stage in his career and is just getting older… ‘Sova could develop into more of a threat to create his own shot but you can’t bank on it… I think I’d be fine with a 3 year deal even given his age… it definitely would be a case of overpaying a little long term for production now but isn’t a total cap killer…

I would love to sign Childress as long as we get a wing creator in FA or the draft as well… I’m not so gung ho to get a stud PF any more as I would like a backup center and wing creator or anyone who is a star player….

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm assuming we get that wing scorer type via trade rather than FA since we have some extra assets now but in case we go the FA route here are the potential wings that fill the void for the price...

Mike Miller, Rip Hamilton <—- getting older but may be cheaper because of it…
Travis Outlaw, Quentin Richardson <— can create but aren’t the most efficient scorers
Randy Foye, Ronnie Brewer <— restricted guys and don’t really fit the bill… I like Brewer… I think he is a very hard worker without the ball and plays solid D which would be a welcome addition but like I said we need that guy who can get his own when needed and play within the team concept other times….

It is pretty slim pickings… that is why we will have to resign Salmons or replace him via trade most likely

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

A stud PF would be so nice to have.

I really lik Ekpe Udoh, He is a stud blocker and grabs a ton of boards. I don’t think you can find a great slasher/creator as late in the draft as we’d choose, unless we can pull the Bulls #11 or 12, but they might be higher than that

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Mar 5, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's much more valuable than what they rate him

nbadraft,net kind of really sucks. It’s like they were really into it when they started the site a couple of years ago, you should use Draft Express, the scouting reports are so much better / there are multiples of them

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ekpe-Udoh-1220/

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Mar 5, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd still rather go with greg monroe, xavier henry, or willie warren...

it is a little concerning he is 22 and shoots less than 50% for a big man…

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He isn't coming to shoot,

He’s a defensive specialist, and a boarder, with him at the 4, don’t you think that they could go big and big Ersan at the three, it could really create some mismatch problems

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Mar 5, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I suppose...

Why not Larry Sanders if you are looking for a defensive 4?

by Superelkman on Mar 5, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I would definitely love to add a rugged, athletic 4/5 who can also get some of the backup center minutes. Then you’d have Ersan as a pure 4, Luc as a 4/3 (or 3/4 depending)…that’d be ideal IMO.

by Frank Madden on Mar 5, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

DeMarcus Cousins would be a great grab if he was still around...

bruising 5/4 and averaging 16 points and 10 boards in 23 minutes a game this season which is incredible

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

the more i read on him the more i really like willie warren over henry...

“Warren has a great first step and is extremely strong with the ball, being capable of simply overpowering his man on the way to the basket, but also possessing the body control and agility to contort himself and get his shot off in a variety of ways. He takes contact extremely well around the rim, drawing fouls at a solid rate, and finishes acrobatically with terrific touch and instincts, showing a variety of floaters, runners, scoop-shots and all kinds of other elegant moves. His skill-level is, once again, obviously incredibly high, but he just doesn’t always know how to harness it on a consistent basis, eventually getting out of control. "

Really good except for the last line but he is still really young.

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

this is concerning though....

“The season Warren is having obviously doesn’t bode well for his NBA draft stock considering the reputation he had coming out of high school, that of a selfish player and malcontent.”

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I think whom ever we look at for the 2 spot will not have to be a stud who carries the load for us.

I like the idea of a guy like Rip or Brewer. Like Superelkman said, we can’t just go out and get a scorer. He needs to fit into what we have going, aka PLAY D. The offense does not need to flow through them. They will be the second, probably third option.

We will be a playoff team this offseason, our standards will be a bit higher. Should be interesting.

by MJ Poe on Mar 5, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed that losing Salmons would be tough to replace

He’s not a star but there’s something to be said for a moderately-priced wing player who can give you 15-18 ppg and be a late game/bailout type who can create his own shot. I’d much rather have a guy like Salmons than pay Rudy Gay $12-14 million per season to give you slightly more scoring and more dunks.

by Frank Madden on Mar 5, 2010 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

Waiting for replay

Went out for the night and now League Pass still doesn’t have the replay available…WEAK. I know most people didn’t get to see this one since it was only on LP, so I’ll hopefully get a ’cap up late tonight. Tough to argue with the final score, though…this team just keeps chugging along. Big test tomorrow night against the Cavs…

by Frank Madden on Mar 5, 2010 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

God this team is fun to watch lately.

by SoCalBucksFan on Mar 5, 2010 11:36 PM CST reply actions  

What's going on?

The Bucks are relevant? This is fun.

by Zorakathura on Mar 5, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

what was that sound?

oh it was just you hopping on the bandwagon…. =)

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched the since first game of the year.

I watched games in the 80’s, the 90’s the 2000’s. I might be on the bandwagon, but I’ve been there for a little bit.

by Zorakathura on Mar 6, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

just teasing you...

you don’t have to prove your fanhood…. i would welcome any fan of the Bucks

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

The story of this game was the Wizards awful play...

They didn’t share the ball and just hucked shots up…. Not to take credit from the Bucks but the Wizards were playing 1v5 the entire game…

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 12:36 AM CST reply actions  

Or adding a shotblocker like Solomon Alabi would be nice too...

Having two guys that can alter shots and rebound would be very nice…

I’m a fan of the twin towers approach

by Superelkman on Mar 6, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

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