The NBA vs divisional opponents
So staring at the Bucks schedule the other day I noticed something. It appears we play every single team in the East twice, both home and away. Now this is probably common knowledge to you seasoned fans, but it came as a bit of a surprise to me. So I looked a little more into it.
Comparisons:
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Games against |
Total games |
% |
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MLB1 |
Vs. division |
72 |
162 |
.444 |
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Interleague |
18 |
162 |
.111 |
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NFL2 |
Vs. division |
6 |
16 |
.375 |
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Interleague |
4 |
16 |
.250 |
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NHL3 |
Vs. division |
32 |
82 |
.390 |
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Interleague |
10 |
82 |
.122 |
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NBA4 |
Vs. division |
16 |
82 |
.195 |
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Interleague |
30 |
82 |
.366 |
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NCAA BB5 |
Vs. division |
10 |
31 |
.323 |
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Non-conference |
15 |
31 |
.484 |
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1 Based on the Kansas City Royals 2009 schedule
2 Based on the Kansas City Chiefs 2009 schedule
3 Based on Wikianswers
4 Based on the Milwaukee Bucks 2009/2010 schedule
5 Based on the University of Missouri 2009/2010 schedule
Just looking at the percentages, the NBA really stands out for having an extremely low number of games within its own division and, perhaps a disproportionate number of interleague games. In fact, correct me if I’m wrong, I believe the NBA is the only league that guarantees a game against every team.
What do you guys think? Are you okay with it? Would you like to see more games against divisional opponents? Does this promote divisional rivalry’s as much as other sports? I’m also accepting answers of, “That’s just the way it is, let it go.”
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Even though I'm a Kings fan I'll comment anyway (it's a NBA issueas I see it and not a Bucks specific issue)
I think the thing is that in MLB you’ve never had every team play each other. The Brewers never played every team in the NL when they were in the AL, or vice versa now that they’re in the NL. (On a side note, what a retarded decision. Do I hate Bud Selig? Yes.)
Comparing anything to the NFL is just dumb. No other league in the world is like it excepting College Football. Other than those 2 entities, nothing else is like it.
College? Throw college hoop out the window too. Not the same game or anything remotely like it. College hoop fans may hate that statement, but the NBA has a lot better players who make the 82 game season seem difficult because of how good their teams are. The best team in College will end up playing HALF, if they’re lucky, the games that an NBA team plays in each season. There are only a few teams every year who even get up to that games played total. Most of them are top notch college programs, and most of those programs USUALLY feature the best players. Still, it ain’t remotely like the NBA.
That said, I don’t think there’s a problem with the NBA schedule as it is. Divisional and conferences tend to be the problem when it works against your team, but fine when it works for you. The Bucks wouldn’t even be close to sniffing the playoffs in the West, but are definite playoff contenders in the East. And that’s noting that the Bucks are over 500 at the moment. I’m not trying to downgrade the Bucks here. My point is just simply that right now all the playoff contenders in the West are 9-10 games (or more) over 500. The Bucks are not good enough, yet, to be 10 games over 500 on a consistent basis.
On the flip side, if you wanted to re-seed the NBA playoffs by a 1-16 basis, the Bucks are still in the playoffs. But now they aren’t the 5th seed of the East but the 12th seed in the 1-16 tournament.
The point I’m trying to make, even though the question of the playoffs is not even brought up in your post Benny, is that whatever system you create will make holes. There is no obvious solution for the Bucks, the NBA and fans to solve the inherent problems of the current system in divisional alignments, and then the playoffs.
I think it works because like any system it has the least amount of flaws that I can accept. I wouldn’t want a 1-16 playoff system that would create logistical nightmares for teams (and broadcasts more importantly) which would then create monetary issue’s if games were no longer as lucrative to advertise because of regional aspirations in a particular game. Part of the regional aspect is a huge reason the games exist the way they do.
I look at the NBA as a sprinting marathon. At the end of the season (and the playoffs) you sprint like hell towards the finish line. In the beginning of the season, you start out well, need a lot of stamina to maintain that pace, and turn it up as the playoffs loom.
The problem essentially, as I see it, with the NBA schedule is that the stars bring in a lot of business. As a fan, I could live without seeing Kobe Bryant or Steve Nash 4 years every year, but Phoenix and LA are close geographically. It is also possible that the Lakers/Suns might not be good for awhile in the next couple years, and that could be beneficial as well. The Kings also benefit in down years (such as this one) where Laker fans can come into Arco and boost attendance. (Or Cavs fans.) As a fan I hate the idea of Laker/Cav fans populating Arco, but the owners like it. It makes being an owner a little less painful.
So, in short, I have no problem with the divisions as it is. If your team is of top quality, it won’t present a problem. If it’s not, then, well, that’s the real issue isn’t it?
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I generally think it makes sense. I’ve never liked how baseball divisions favor teams in weak divisions (both in their ability to win divisions as well as wild card), so I think the conference playoff format is fairer and the scheduling is then better aligned. On the flip side, the additional travel required to play every team the same amount of times (roughly three games each) seems like a bit much, even if it’d be more fair to determine the playoffs based on the top 16 overall. The conference system seems like a good balance.
On the flip side, I think baseball’s system is by far the dumbest from a fairness/competition standpoint. I know it’s all in the name of tradition and rivalries, but having mostly separate league irrespective of geography is pretty bizarre in the grand scheme of things. And with 162 games and teams playing each other multiple times in a row, it’s the only league where you could easily have everybody play everybody else.
Thanks for the comments
Let me ask this question. Are personal rivalries not as important in the NBA? I can see how it doesn’t make a lot or sense to not play more teams in baseball, but I kind of like seeing the same teams more. The comparisons above were more because of my own passions about those sports. I might fall asleep on the couch for 12 chiefs games a year, but if it’s the Raiders or the Donkeys, I’m screaming my head off at the TV. Same with the White sox, if they’re in town, we will purposly sit in the outfield to scream obscenities at the outfielders. And anytime MU plays KU is an excuse to drink. (I’ve got no dog in the hockey fight) Now, this might say more about my lack of class then any real sport to sport comparison, but I think strong rivalries are a great part of being sports fan. So where are they at in the NBA? It seems like the biggest rivalries would be Celtics/Lakers who only play each other twice a year. Other than those two it seems like the rivalry games are more based on individual players. Shaq goes to the Cavs? Suddenly the Suns vs the Cavs is a rivalry game. And I’m not saying this is a bad thing, just different. I want to embrace the NBA culture as much as possible I just need to know how to react.
Last Question: Who is the Bucks biggest rival? Can I buy a F*** Jim O’Brien t-shirt?
I think most rivalries are built in the play-offs
The Bucks haven’t been good enough for a long time so they haven’t had much chances to construct one. Personally I enjoy beating the Celtics, but it’s mostly because I watched many tapes from the 80s where there was in fact a rivalry. I doubt a single Cs fan would consider the Bucks rivals.
I don’t think more inter-divisional games would propel rivalries. Bad clubs can’t have rivalries. Imagine the Bucks playing, say, the Pacers, in the last 3 seasons like 8/9 times every year. It’d be an agony, but a rivalry? People would be bored, not excited. Or if instead of the Pacers it was the Cavs – it’d be an ass-whipping, not a rivalry.
Plus, the NBA has a large international following. Those fans couldn’t care less about the details of the NBA geography.
Personally I think it’s nice every team plays every team. Everybody wants to play LeBron or teams with MVP contenders, the champions, franchises with fans everywhere like the Celtics or the Lakers, exciting and up-coming teams. And it spreads the wealth, as pokeyguru noted. Plus basketball is better when teams don’t play each other many times and there are multiple clashes of different styles and philosophies.
The only meaningful divisional rivalries I can think of in recent years is the Pistons/Pacers one and the Texas triangle one. But, again, they surged because those teams achieved playoff success – even in Texas the big rivalry is Dallas vs. San Antonio.
In fact, I think divisions are pretty much an anachronism in the NBA. Never understood what’s the point of their existence. When the Spurs/Mavs had to face each other in the 2nd round of the PO in a year in which they were the 2 best teams in the West because of the divisional seedings it was extremely annoying. They could end with divisions now and nobody would care.
Agree with Joana
It’s funny how the default standings you see always have the divisional breakdown when the conference standings are so much more important. And you still hear people say stuff about not wanting to trade in the division, which I’ve never understood either.
I agree overall the meaningful rivalries are dictated by the playoffs—funny how the C’s/Lakers rivalry has lived on despite the geographic boundaries. In the ‘90s some of the best games were between the Bulls/Knicks, and now I think the Cavs/Magic might be the most interesting simply because of the Shaq/Dwight subplot and last year’s playoffs.
As for the Bucks, I think the Bulls are the default primary rival simply because of the proximity and the carry-over from Packers/Bears and Cubs/Brewers. I hate going to games at the BC and listening to a sizable chunk of the crowd rooting for the Bulls, but on the court there hasn’t been much of a rivalry—seems like when one is good the other always stinks. This year the Salmons trade and the two teams’ competition for playoff positioning has definitely made it a lot more relevant than it has been for quite some time.
If you really wanted divisional rivalries, you could just divide the league into ten divisions
and have them play each other 30 times.
I think manufacturing rivalries is unnecessary regulation of the schedule. Were the Packers and Buccaneers really rivals back when they were in the same division? (Other than the comical story of Tampa v. Green).
By the way, who is to say that just because you are not in the same “division” that you can’t play an inordinate number of times? If I had my way, I would get rid of the divisions, but maintain the schedules. So, the Bucks would play the Timberwolves, Bulls, Pistons and Pacers more than any other team. But, the standings would still be broken up into conferences.
And this applies to all sports. The fact that the 8-8 Chargers made the playoffs ahead of the 11-5 Patriots two seasons ago is preposterous. Or that every year each team in the AL West has a 25% chance at making the postseason, while the NL Central has a 16.7% is inherently unfair.
by John Park Williams on Mar 13, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions

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