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MILWAUKEE -- The regular season is already a success, I worry a little bit that the team is starting to play like that, and judging by the last two games, the postseason doesn't figure to be much of a success, even if you are only hoping for a win or two.

After three straight wins to open post-Bogut 2010, the Bucks have now rather clearly lost two home games against their only two potential playoff opponents. A couple nights after the Celtics coasted to a win without Kevin Garnett, the Hawks led for every minute of the final three quarters without Jamal Crawford.

The Hawks cause the Bucks all sorts of problems everywhere, and they are probably going to do so again pretty soon in a stadium near you. The win bumps Atlanta 1.5 games ahead of Boston for the third seed, and Milwaukee's loss, along with Miami's win, pushes the Bucks down to sixth in the East. As such, these two are likely to face off in the first round.

Defensively, the Hawks are just too quick and too strong at every position, and they seamlessly switched their way to hound the Bucks on the perimeter, which is where they run just about all of their offense without Andrew Bogut on the floor. Offensively, Joe Johnson (31 points) hasn't met his defensive match, and they are pretty much nightly the type of balanced offensive dynamo that Milwaukee was only on its best days and at full strength.

Mike Bibby started things off right for Atlanta, burying three straight first quarter three pointers in just over a minute, and as far as just-over-minutes go, that was a pretty telling one that this wasn't Milwaukee's night.

Jerry Stackhouse (13 second-quarter points) had a bright stretch and John Salmons (28 points) was very good just like he was in the overtime loss in Atlanta in late-February, but Johnson again bested him in the end.

Andrew Bogut spoke to the crowd before the game on Fan Appreciation Night to a rousing applause, and then Al Horford operated with ease, the Hawks scored 52 points in the paint, and Josh Smith blocked six shots, just in case the loss of Bogut wasn't fresh or obvious or painful enough.

The scoreboard always seemed to have the Hawks in front by six or seven points, the biggest lead was 12 and the Bucks sliced it to four with a few minutes to go, but Atlanta led for the final 40 minutes, and that is just how it felt.

For a final regular season home game, this one didn't show much of what made the Bucks such a force at the Bradley Center this year. There are at least a couple more on the docket though, probably against these same Hawks.

And after the last few days and last few weeks, you can be sure that they will enter the postseason just as they entered the regular season: as massive underdogs.

So there might just be hope after all.

Star-divide

THREE BUCKS

John Salmons. Hardly a stretch to say that Salmons is the only guy on the team who can either get to the basket or to the free throw line. Fortunately, he continues to do both pretty well. For the 18th game since joining the Bucks, Salmons led the club in scoring (he led the Bulls six times this season), this time pitching in 28 points on a very steady 9-18 from the field, 3-6 from deep, and 7-9 from the line.

However, he was for the second time in as many nights overshadowed by an opposing two guard, as Joe Johnson (31/7/3) matched his all around game, and then raised him.

Forty-three more minutes, as the Bucks worked him all the way until he fouled out for the first time this season.

Jerry Stackhouse. He completely carried the second quarter, throwing in a throwback 13 points thanks to his hot outside shot (3-4 on threes). That was the only quarter Milwaukee won, and they barely even won that (27-25) despite Stack's heroics.

Unfortunately, that was also the only quarter in which he scored at all. Stackhouse shot 0-4 with zero points, rebounds, and assists in nine non-second-quarter minutes. His second quarter punch was just what the team brought him in for though; he can't be expected to do much more.

Brandon Jennings. Seemingly aware that the Bucks will need more than just Salmons scoring, Jennings went on the aggressive offensively, firing 23 shots including nine in the third quarter alone. But he missed all four of his three point attempts in that third quarter as Milwaukee made up just a single point on the seven-point halftime deficit. Brandon actually hit half of his two-point attempts (6-12) but his outside shot (2-11) betrayed him, and the Bucks just don't have enough elsewhere for those not to fall. Jennings also was aggressive defensively, pressuring in the backcourt to the tune of two steals. In the end though...

We were standing a lot on offense. Not a lot of ball movement. I thought they did a good job. But we've got some time and we'll see which team we play first.

THREE NUMBERS

21-4. The Hawks started the night with best assist to turnover ratio in the NBA, at 1.84:1. Milwaukee started tied for 10th place at 1.58:1. Yet the Bucks managed an almost unbelievable 20 assists to just four turnovers, an off-the-charts 5:1 ratio. Not easy to lose with that type of stat. Atlanta had a medicore 17 assists to 14 turnovers (1.21:1).

19. The Bucks attempted 19 more shots than the Hawks (93-74), but made three fewer (36-39).

Yes, Milwaukee shot 36-93 (.387) from the field, below 40.0 % again. So, only four turnovers, but... Skiles:

I think I could argue that a lot of our shots were turnovers. Yeah, that's what they were.

11. Atlanta racked up 11 blocks. In the second quarter, Josh Smith pulled his groin and we were told that his return was questionable.

Well, six of those blocks were courtesy of Josh Smith, and three of them came during a 37-second stretch midway through the third quarter, during which time he proceeded to stuff Kurt Thomas, Ersan Ilyasova, and Jerry Stackhouse. Smith also blocked Salmons twice during that quarter, totaling five in the third period alone. So J-Smoove had five times as many blocks in the third quarter as the Bucks had in the whole game. 

So he was fine.

THREE GOOD

Stack attack! Gosh, what a phrase.

Stackhouse, who by the way is extremely approachable and insightful after games, gave the Bucks a shot with his shot in the second quarter, scoring a quick 13 points to give some hope in a game that otherwise felt like a loss from a couple hours before start to finish.

Home. The Bucks finish the regular season slate 28-13, which your eyes have slowly had some time to adjust to. But let's remember that plenty of experts were picking the Bucks to barely win 28 games total this season. I don't think many had Milwaukee walking into the playoffs with or without Bogut or Redd.

Fan Appreciation Night to the 14,186 in attendance and overall it's been a really, really fun year at the BC. Now let's just hope the team can sell out the stadium for playoff games against the Hawks.

Young Buck. I'm pleased to see that Brandon Jennings, 20 years old and 169 pounds and first year in the NBA and team leader in minutes, is still going hard on both ends of the court pushing 40 minutes in Game 81. He pressured full court with some success, passed the ball around a bit, and wasn't the least bit shy shooting.

Not always the best shot selection, but I don't really mind the 11 three-point attempts, even though just two went in. If he makes a few more of those, all of sudden he has 30 points and the Bucks have nine more points and a win. That is probably what it's going to take, because there is certainly no dumping the ball in at this point. I would prefer he attack the rim a bit more to open up others and at least give guys a chance to pick up misses on the offensive glass, but overall I am glad that he isn't passive Brandon at this juncture.

THREE BAD

Frontcourt scoring. Kurt Thomas (3-6, six points) and Luc Mbah a Moute (1-5, two points) are Kurt Thomas and Luc Mbah a Moute. But that is just the problem when they comprise your starting frontcourt. Mbah a Moute started but only scored two points and only played 23 minutes in the win over Atlanta a few weeks and tonight he was even less of a factor, scoring two more points in just 19 minutes as Skiles couldn't justify giving more court time to his new best defensive player (sans Bogut) against the second best offensive team in the NBA. Thomas did well, but he's just so limited, and everything is just so difficult for the Bucks right now on the offensive end.

The starting backcourt of Jennings (23) and Salmons (18) combined to shoot 41 field goals as the Bucks just have nothing inside.

The Hawks scored 52 points in the paint (on 26-40 shooting), the Bucks scored 20 points in the paint (on 10-30 shooting), and that is just an absurd difference and the difference.

The revenge of Zaza Island. We've seen this before.

The revenge of Zaza Island.  Back in 2005 when the Bucks were deciding whether to re-sign Dan Gadzuric and/or Zaza Pachulia, the RealGM gang jokingly termed the Zaza loyalists as members of "Zaza Island" (it preceded "Mo Nation" among the Bucks' nation-states).  Well, you know the story by now.  The Bucks signed Gadzuric--who in fairness was a very productive role player in 04/05--to a $36 million deal while letting Pachulia walk for a far more reasonable four years, $16 million.  Gadzuric proceeds to regress almost instantly, and of late he's been mostly miserable despite having ample opportunity to prove himself with Bogut out.  Meanwhile Pachulia at least maintains some dignity.  You can guess how things went tonight. 

The Bucks didn't lose by 30 like they did in January 2009, but once again Zaza Pachulia (10 points, 7 rebounds, and a team-leading 4 assists) gave it to his former team while Dan Gadzuric gave four minutes, zero points and zero rebounds to his current team. Again, with Bogut out, again just when they need a center. Also: Zaza lobbed a ball and seemed to purposely hit Mike Woodson during the pregame warmups, always rising on the hilarity meter.

More Hawks? You might have been a borderline delusional optimist to think that Milwaukee would beat Boston in a first-round series without Bogut, but they match up better with the Celtics than the Hawks. And all of the bad blood and old friends and star players and chippiness would have made for a fun series regardless of the final scores against the C's. But with this result, combined with the Heat beating the Sixers, we are now looking at a Hawks/Bucks first round matchup as the most likely scenario. Milwaukee does not match up well on either side of the ball against Atlanta, the Hawks are virtually unbeatable at home (33-7, same home record as the Magic and Lakers and Nuggets, oh my), and although Maurice Evans took Brandon Jennings to the ground and Al Horford got t'd up, this doesn't feel like much of a rivalry.

Familiarity breeds contempt though, so we'll see if they get sick of each other in the playoffs especially following these late-season games.

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Points in the paint

20 pts for the Bucks, fifth straight game 28 or less. BTW, the worst team in the league averages 37 pts in the paint/game. We are just mind-bogglingly one-dimensional right now—our best play is the three-point line post up by Salmons.

by Frank Madden on Apr 13, 2010 1:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Bogut for MVP!

Just joking, but just think about it objectively…the MVP supposedly goes to the player who makes his team so much better when he is playing and so glaringly worse when not playing. Look at the difference in the Bucks without him. The only other playoff bound teams that have a player that makes as much difference to their teams as Bogut are possibly LeBron, D-Wade and Durant. Take them out of their line-ups and you’ve got 3 early pick lottery teams.

Once again, I am only being semi-serious :)

by Big Crazy Dave on Apr 13, 2010 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

obviously against the more talented teams, and better oraganised and coached teams our settling for jump shots on offense is not going to cut it, someone has to attack the rim, start driving and looking to create something, Salmons is adept at creating his own shot and has the confidence and body strength to absorb that contact and make something for himself, but otherwise its pretty horrible watching guys jack up ill advised jump shots,

I know obviously Jennings has little confidence in himself finishing at the rim and the evidence is in the numbers but just for the team he has to keep doing it whether he finishes, dishes or tries to draw some contact and get a foul just creates some other opportunities for other guys

maybe we could use that three guard lineup a bit more with Jennings, Ridnour & Salmons to take some pressure of Jennings have another guy creating on the wing I know defensively that line up will struggle over alonger period of time but just seems like against Boston & Atlanta nothing much was happening

by ILIKEBJ'S on Apr 13, 2010 3:03 AM CDT reply actions  

"nothing much was happening"

Right. I suspect there’s no fix for that. Not this season.

Next season with a healthy Bogut, a new PF, and one or two new shooters/penetrators, we may be back in business. The season after with lots of cap room we may be contending (at least contending as a factor in the 2nd round playoffs).

But right now we’re a bit like an Aldi’s supermarket – lots of pretty ordinary generic stuff. Nothing special.

(That’s no slam on management. With less than standard resources, they brought in useful players. But genuine improvements to the middle of the roster don’t carry the day when you lose the top of the roster. [And as much as he didn’t help this year, Redd gets included in top of roster.] )

It gripes my butt to have to watch the season end flat. But they (and I) shall endure.

Maybe the Bucks will find or be gifted with hot shooting against Atlanta. Maybe Skiles has some sleight-of-hand. When ya’ got nuttin’, ya got nuttin’ to lose…

by unklchuk on Apr 13, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

well... I just returned from a 10 day vacation in the caribbean and miami to hear the news of Bogut out for the year...

very disappointing… I am still going to our home game in the playoffs and getting drunk but I really don’t think we have a chance in the first round any more unfortunately… sad ending to a great year…

haven’t been able to watch the games but how have they looked without Bogut?

by Superelkman on Apr 13, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Very one-dimensional

Defense was still very good against the lesser teams, but Boston/Atlanta wore us down…Pierce and JJ went off, outrebounded, etc.

A big problem IMO is that Luc’s offensive ineptitude is harder to hide with Bogut out and a bunch of jump-shooters on the court. Which in turn means we don’t have a stopper because we need shooters (Carlos/Salmons aren’t bad defenders, but they have limitations). But even with shooters on the court we can’t get anything going inside except for when Salmons dribbles a lot and eventually beats his man. Jennings’ inability to get to the hoop is more painfully obvious, and everybody seems more content to jack up long, contested jumpers. I was kind of surprised to see our offensive efficiency numbers have been solid since Bogut was lost, but the defense fell apart in the last two.

by Frank Madden on Apr 13, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

without Bogut...

My view is pretty basic.

Thomas is solid as a sub, but doesn’t compare to what Bogut brings at both ends.

Our defense has a hole in the middle. “Working hard” isn’t enough to keep playoff-quality teams from scoring with regularity.

Our offense has nothing to recommend it if we aren’t hitting the outside jump shots. And the outside jump shots are a losing strategy, especially for this team. Seems to me our ball movement has become mostly ho-hum. Probably because we have so few offensive weapons to deploy with it. Salmons and whomever-happens-to-be-hot will likely get OK numbers in the playoffs, because there’s little else to use, but they won’t have an easy time of it since the Hawks are big, athletic play some defense, and can concentrate on one or two Bucks.

It’s always darkest before the dawn. In this case, I don’t expect the sun to rise until next season. (LOVE to be wrong.)

by unklchuk on Apr 13, 2010 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I think we've already reached the dawn

But that’s more from a big picture perspective…I still feel like we’re playing with house money. Jettisoning half our roster last summer was the darkest part IMO. But I also think we can’t hope for anything more than incremental improvement unless a really big move is made.

For instance, if you asked me if I’d take 45 wins again next year I’d probably say sure (at this point). Given the talent level on this club I think that’s pretty damn good, and if Bogut is healthy a year from now we’ll also have a good shot of winning a round in the playoffs. You’d hope we get better this offseason, if only by Jennings improving in his second year, but s*** happens. Injuries, chemistry, if Salmons left without being replaced, etc.

by Frank Madden on Apr 13, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

really important that we add some talent next year

I think we have to be ambitious( within reason obviously this is the Bucks) regardless of what happens in the playoffs……..

still sitting back and looking at the team 45 wins is great testament to the coaching staff and the willingness of the players to put in a great effort pretty much night in night out………but without Bogut its kinda easy to see that we are over stocked with lots of role players with limitations and veteran guys who are playing to many minutes and well in Gadz/Primoz case guys who should not be playing any minutes at all for a playoff side

Have to agree that the Prince has been the most exposed by Bogut’s absence, just too many limitations to be a starter at the moment, Ideally we need to have him coming off the bench, and he needs to work on a couple of offensive moves that he can rely on…………..hopefully thats one area we can look at in the draft…..really important that we nail this one and get a good contributor

KT’s a great guy on your bench but for 10-12 minutes not 30 + obviously, Stacks been streaky his whole career at this stage its 1 hot game out of every 5…….if your lucky………these are great guys in the locker room but we are asking for too much contribution and minutes at this stage of their career….

I think we should be positive though, Jennings will improve, Bogut will be back…….Im really confident in that……….good if somewhat limited role players in Delfino & Ilyasova, obviously the Turk can improve alot, Prince

It’s a fair base to build on with the right moves, to make a push at keeping this momentum going and to keep on keeping aiming to improve

by ILIKEBJ'S on Apr 13, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Add talent, yes...

…and if the team comes up way short in the playoffs, ownership may want to endure a little more financial pain to allow fans to regain the upward expectations they’ve had so far this year. 2012 will be the year of larger possibilities. But this coming off-season will likely change the team composition significantly. Bogut back. Jennings growing. Probably two draft picks. I’d expect one semi-significant FA signing (don’t know if resigning Salmons would take that slot or not). And a couple of Delfino-ish or Stackhouse-ish signings.

I don’t think Hammond/Skiles have any illusions about having attained critical mass talent-wise, so I think they will do everything they can under the cap.

by unklchuk on Apr 14, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Bogut going down has shined some light on our number one weakness as a team... frontcourt depth...

Thomas MAY have one last playoff run in him but that is about it… I don’t know if we could really count on him as anything more than a 3rd big man next season… we need to add a serviceable backup 5… Primoz and Gadz as our backups make me want to puke…

I really, really hope Jennings asserts himself in the playoffs… I am fine with us going down but we need to go down swinging, with Jennings leading the charge…

by Superelkman on Apr 14, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

"need to go down swinging"

I agree that how we go down matters, to me. If we can’t make outside shots and can’t find better offense, we may go down bleak & meek. That would be a fizzle end to a standout season. If Skiles and Jennings come up with some stuff that shows promise, win or lose, I’ll be fine.

by unklchuk on Apr 14, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

no doubt

the fact Thomas is needed for 30+ plus minutes is a indictment on our front court depth………we have none………Primoz well i thought he was done about 5 years ago so not surprised but Gadz well it’s fairly simple if he looks at KT what he needs to be able to do to stay on the floor for at least 15 minutes and he hasnt even managed that…………………..

its simple run the floor, rebound, defend, dont take bad shots, make the easy ones ie dunks, put backs, lay ups and well he hasnt even really come close………it’s not about effort I guess maybe basketball IQ on the court? But just taking jump shots, and stupid things like that shoe lace thing, arrrgggggghhhh come on at least be prepared to play

really hope we get some help with that draft pick that can contribute meaningful minutes, at power forward, the only thing pretty about our bench depth is its awfulness…………it’s not like their is any potential hidden gems there either…….

One thing about Jennings/Playoffs his attitude and belief is kinda made for these moments so yeah hopefully he goes down shooting…………literally…….im not expecting a Rondo like breakthrough performance but some nice games, and coming through at big moments will round out a promising rookie campaign…..with lots to look forward to and improve on

by ILIKEBJ'S on Apr 14, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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