Hawks 96, Bucks 86: No answers for Smith and Horford
Two games, two ten point losses, and no answers for Atlanta's fearsome frontcourt.
Yes, Joe Johnson again scored more points (27 on 23 shots), but what really killed the Bucks was another vexing performance from Josh Smith, whose near triple-double (21 pts, 11 shots, 14 rebounds, nine assists) was every bit as dominant as it looked on paper. Bullying on the block, dunking in transition, ooping over flat-footed defenders, crashing the boards--heck, Smith even buried a corner jumper. Delfino or Ilyasova, it didn't particularly matter who was defending him. Add to that Al Horford's abuse of Kurt Thomas (20 pts on 13 shots, 10 rebs, 3 blk for Al vs. no points and four rebounds for KT), and there really isn't too much mystery to the end result.
And perhaps the most depressing part? Unlike game one, there was no second half comeback to give the Bucks a glass half-full of confidence going into game three. The Hawks simply wore them down, weathering every Bucks' spurt. While the Bucks seemed to battle to the end of game one, Scott Skiles had to wave the white flag in the final minutes of game two.
Though the Bucks once again showed some early nerves, they managed to hang with Atlanta for two quarters in large part thanks to a ton of second chances and a dogged determination to go inside. Of little help was the star of Saturday, Brandon Jennings. Perhaps predictably, he was completely ineffective after his 34 point outing on Saturday, going 1/10 in the first half and seeing four of his shots rejected by Atlanta's mobile big men. It didn't seem like the defense was any tougher on him tonight than Saturday, but as we've often seen, the defense often doesn't have much to say about how much Brandon scores.
Thankfully, the Bucks' garbage men earned their keep and then some. Luc Mbah a Moute took advantage of Smith mostly (and probably understandably) ignoring him to score eight of the Bucks' first ten in the first quarter, all of them coming within a couple feet of the rim. In the second it was Ersan Ilyasova's turn, the Turk taking advantage of the Bucks' wayward jump-shooting to collect five offensive rebounds and score 13 points by the intermission. The Bucks also seemed more intent on exploiting size mismatches, particularly with Delfino looking to post Bibby. I won't argue it was all that effective, but at least it was different, forcing Atlanta to double and create room for the Bucks to move the ball around the perimeter.
It's not to say the Bucks were playing well, even if their 52-46 deficit the half seemed rather awesome compared to the 22 point deficit at halftime of game one. Aside from some brutal jump-shooting (4/24 on threes overall), they of course had no answer for Smith and Horford inside. While part of it was Delfino again being overwhelmed by Smith's size on the block, much of it was also a lack of focus and a tendency to stand around and watch the Hawks do their thing. Just as in game one, Smith and Horford both scored eight points apiece in the first quarter--including Smith inexcusably scoring six in the final 32 seconds thanks to a pair of stupid turnovers by Ridnour and Salmons. The Bucks' transition defense was largely non-existent (the Hawks' 22-10 margin seemed like more), and both Ilyasova and Thomas (as well as any help defenders) were caught napping in the halfcourt on backdoor alley-oops for Smith and Horford, respectively.
The Hawks then quickly jumped on the Bucks in the third, Salmons missing a jumper and turning it over twice in an 11-2 Atlanta run that featured seven from Marvin Williams (remember him?). Jennings scored seven straight as he looked to shake off the rust on his jumper, but it turned out to be fool's gold--he didn't score again and the Bucks couldn't make much headway beyond that. Instead they missed six straight shots and went scoreless for four minutes to help Atlanta stretch to an 18-point lead. Skiles found some help in the fourth with a Ridnour / Salmons / Delfino / Stackhouse / Gadzuric lineup that reeled Atlanta back to within eight with 7:20 left, but Johnson scored seven straight on long jumpers to put the game out of reach.
Three Bucks
Ersan Ilyasova: 24 min, 13 pts, 5/10 fg, 1/2 threes, 2/2 ft, 15 reb, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 to
Ilyasova's night more or less summarized that of the Bucks. He was the biggest reason for the Bucks' hanging within within six at half, but went 0/3 and didn't score a point in the second half as the Bucks similarly . His size also wasn't much of a deterrent to stopping Smith, who lost him on a number of plays for easy buckets.
Jerry Stackhouse: 24 min, 15 pts, 5/8 fg, 2/3 threes, 3/4 ft, 4 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 0 to
Stackhouse bounced back from a poor game one to lead the Bucks' second unit with an extremely efficient scoring night. He also did it in versatile fashion, burying a couple threes but also getting to the rack on a handful of occasions--yes, there was even a drive and dunk in the third quarter. He was also part of the largely unsuccessful defense-by-committee approach on JJ in the fourth, but I thought he hung in surprisingly well against Johnson for most of the night.
John Salmons: 40 min, 21 pts, 10/23 fg, 0/5 threes, 1/1 ft, 3 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 1 bs, 3 to
Salmons was anonymous early, and not even a nice second half scoring line (14 points) could salvage a night where he provided a nice number of points on far too many shots. Salmons had most of his success attacking the Hawks' switching defense in the fourth, beating big men (mostly Zaza) repeatedly off the bounce, but his jumper is completely shot right now. He's now 0/10 from three for the series and looks to be forcing a lot of jumpers.
Three Numbers
26-10. The Hawks run a ton of isolation plays, which partly explains how a team that's so good offensively only ranked 12th in assists. No such issue tonight. The Hawks got out in transition and worked the ball around better than usual (26 dimes) while also turning it over just 10 times. The Bucks improved on their pathetic 11/12 figures from game one with 18 assists and 12 turnovers, but it wasn't good enough.
16.7%. It's not like the Bucks were getting bad looks, but they simply couldn't make threes (4/24). The starters were especially brutal, as Jennings (1/6), Salmons (0/5) and Delfino (0/4) combined for just 1/16. Good luck winning like that.
52-48. Believe it or not, the Bucks actually outscored Atlanta in the paint 52-48. With the exception of Jennings, the Bucks ended up doing a pretty good job taking advantage of the Hawks' switching and increasing tendency to overplay perimeter passing lanes. Delfino put the ball on the floor and drove for three hoops in the first half, Salmons got it going a bit in the second, and the Luc/Ersan combo did the dirty work cleaning up all those Bucks' misses.
Two Good
Bench. The Bucks' subs accounted for about 100 of the Bucks' total 240 minutes but contributed 40 of their 86 points on 16/29 shooting. And remarkably all seven had a positive point differential despite the Bucks losing by double digits.
Homeward bound. Atlanta improved to 36-7 at home, including 3-0 against the Bucks. Heading back to the Bradley Center couldn't come soon enough.
Three Bad
Defense. The Bucks were not a good defensive team without Andrew Bogut over the final six games, and playing against an extremely talented and explosive Atlanta squad has only further underscored that. I love Scott Skiles' system and it worked wonders this year, but the team that finished second in defensive efficiency effectively doesn't exist without Bogut's mobility, rebounding, and shot-blocking in the middle. And when the players who are left don't get back in transition or get caught ball-watching, it's over.
Ironically, the Bucks' 110 pts/100 allowed tonight was actually their best defensive efficiency mark of the last five games, but that's still 7 pts/100 worse than their overall season average. Meanwhile, the Bucks' 99.0 offensive efficiency rating tonight was also the first time in seven contests they've been held below 103.7. To put that in perspective, they averaged 105 for the season.
Starters. I mentioned this the other day as well: the Bucks' starting unit just isn't very good (-6.5 pts/100 possessions in the regular season). It's not to say the Bucks' bench is a more productive group pound-for-pound (they tend to face weaker competition obviously), but relatively speaking they're usually better than the other team's bench. Based on what we've seen over the past few weeks, the Bucks' recipe for winning seems to be a) hope that the starters keep it close and b) let the bench build a lead. It also makes you wonder whether it's worth keeping everything constant rather than, for instance, putting Ilyasova in for Delfino or Mbah a Moute.
Matchups. Obvious statement warning: the Bucks simply don't match up well with the Hawks. I guess that goes without saying when one team is a lot better than the other, but even putting that aside, the Bucks have only one guy capable of staying with Johnson and I'm not sure there's anyone that can handle Smith. Throw in Al Horford's huge edge inside against the Bucks depleted centers, and there's not much to do. While we've focused on JJ and Smith, Horford's combination of mobility and midrange shooting is increasingly causing the Bucks problems, and Thomas' jumper and defensive awareness seem to be abandoning him at the worst possible time.
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Skiles, Skiles, Skiles....
My assessment, Skiles is having trouble coaching this team without Bogut which is understandable.
First game, I still can’t get my head wrapped around benching Jennings, who was on fire in game 1, for 6 minutes in the fourth quarter that has been noteworthy all over the internet for being a move that is difficult to understand without explanation from Skiles.
Second game, John Salmons when willy nilly on offense in the fourth quarter and he should have been benched or rested. His soft grip of the basketball while driving to the basket this series has been reminiscent of Glenn Robinson in the 00-01 post-season constantly being stripped by the defenders. MOST DISTURBING was that Gadzuric was having his best game of the year almost and Skiles game him maybe 10 minutes for Kurt Thomas who was apparantly tired, missing on offense, rebounding sparsly, minimal athleticism, and being worked by Horford on defense. Gadzuric’s minutes inthe first half was the best defensive stance the Bucks have had and lets be real, the Bucks aren’t looking for much offense out of their centers in this series. I remember when Kurt Thomas was sitting at the end of the pine this season too. Lets not forget about Gadz just because he’s been riding pine, if he’s playing good, keep him on the floor. Gadz playing at his best is the Bucks best back-up center to Bogut.
In fairness to Skiles, Jennings sat for the first 3:38 of the fourth in game one and he still played 40 min. Doesn’t mean it was the right decision, but I think he’d probably say that’s when he always rests Brandon and he had turned it over twice in the couple minutes before he came out.
KT has a better chance of banging with Al in the post but other than that you’re right about Gadz outplaying him so far.
by Frank Madden on Apr 21, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i think sitting jennings was the absolute right move given the amount of minutes he is accustomed to playing and the fact that skiles knows BJ well enough to make that decision...
also there is no guarantee he would have done well if he played those extra minutes….
by Superelkman on Apr 21, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw some of the worst jump shots in this game.
To the point I was yelling “No! no!” at the guys, like I’d yell at a naughty puppy.
I want Skiles to put a collar on Delfino that shocks him every time he shoots a three
Agree
Not only were there poor jumpshot decisions, but off balance shots from guys who were open. The Hawks D is a big part of the fear, but everytime these guys are shooting they look scared.
Here is the breakdown of that ugly third quarter. Horrible.
11:37
[ATL 54-46] Johnson Fade Away Jumper Shot: Made (13 PTS)
Salmons Fade Away Jumper Shot: Missed 11:16
11:15 Team Rebound
10:55 Bibby Jump Shot: Missed
Thomas Rebound (Off:0 Def:2) 10:54
Salmons Turnover : Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Williams (1 ST) 10:41
10:38
[ATL 56-46] Williams Running Layup Shot: Made (7 PTS)
Jennings Foul : Shooting (2 PF) 10:38
10:38
[ATL 57-46] Williams Free Throw 1 of 1 (8 PTS)
Mbah a Moute Driving Jump shot: Missed 10:17
10:17 Smith Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
10:08 Smith Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO)
Jennings Fade Away Jumper Shot: Made (4 PTS) 09:54
[MIL 48-57]
09:28
[ATL 59-48] Smith Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Bibby (5 AST)
Jennings Jump Shot: Missed 09:03
09:02 Horford Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
08:47
[ATL 61-48] Williams Driving Layup Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Smith (4 AST)
Salmons Foul : Offensive (1 PF) 08:33
Salmons Turnover : Foul (3 TO) 08:33
08:13
[ATL 63-48] Smith Hook Shot: Made (14 PTS)
Team Timeout : Regular 08:08
Jennings 3pt Shot: Missed 07:51
Thomas Rebound (Off:1 Def:2) 07:50
Jennings 3pt Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Salmons (2 AST) 07:45
[MIL 51-63]
07:19 Smith Jump Shot: Missed
Jennings Rebound (Off:2 Def:2) 07:16
07:00 Horford Foul : Shooting (1 PF)
Jennings Free Throw 1 of 2 (8 PTS) 07:00
[MIL 52-63]
Jennings Free Throw 2 of 2 (9 PTS) 07:00
[MIL 53-63]
06:35 Bibby 3pt Shot: Missed Block: Jennings (1 BLK)
Delfino Rebound (Off:0 Def:5) 06:33
06:32 Williams Foul : Shooting (1 PF)
Mbah a Moute Free Throw 1 of 2 Missed 06:32
Team Rebound 06:32
06:32 Bibby Substitution replaced by Crawford
Mbah a Moute Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed 06:32
06:31 Smith Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
06:05 Johnson Turnaround Jump Shot: Missed
Delfino Rebound (Off:0 Def:6) 06:03
Delfino Turnover : Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal:Horford (2 ST) 05:56
05:50 Williams Jump Shot: Missed
05:48 Smith Rebound (Off:2 Def:5)
05:48
[ATL 65-53] Smith Putback Dunk Shot: Made (16 PTS)
Jennings 3pt Shot: Missed 05:20
Mbah a Moute Rebound (Off:3 Def:0) 05:17
Mbah a Moute 3pt Shot: Missed 05:12
05:12 Team Rebound
05:12 Team Timeout : Regular
Delfino Substitution replaced by Ridnour 05:12
Mbah a Moute Substitution replaced by Ilyasova 05:12
Jennings Substitution replaced by Stackhouse 05:12
05:12 Williams Substitution replaced by Evans
Salmons Foul : Personal (2 PF) 04:51
04:46
[ATL 67-53] Horford Jump Shot: Made (17 PTS) Assist: Crawford (2 AST)
Stackhouse Fade Away Jumper Shot: Missed 04:29
04:28 Smith Rebound (Off:2 Def:6)
04:24
[ATL 69-53] Johnson Running Layup Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Smith (5 AST)
Salmons 3pt Shot: Missed 03:58
Ilyasova Rebound (Off:6 Def:5) 03:56
Ilyasova Jump Shot: Missed 03:54
03:53 Horford Rebound (Off:1 Def:5)
Ridnour Foul : Personal (1 PF) 03:50
Ridnour Foul : Personal (2 PF) 03:46
03:35 Johnson Fade Away Jumper Shot: Missed
03:32 Smith Rebound (Off:3 Def:6)
03:29
[ATL 71-53] Johnson Jump Shot: Made (17 PTS) Assist: Smith (6 AST)
Ridnour 3pt Shot: Missed 03:14
Thomas Rebound (Off:2 Def:2) 03:12
Salmons Fade Away Jumper Shot: Made (10 PTS) 03:05
[MIL 55-71]
He’s been fairly useless in this series, but shooting threes (many of them from two-three feet behind the arc) is Delfino’s main offensive strength (37%). I don’t think we can win any games with him not shooting at all…we don’t have enough other guys to pick up the slack.
by Frank Madden on Apr 21, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting read about Jennings' inside game:
I had no idea that Jennings had only drawn 84 fouls all season. Or that he gets stuffed on about 1 out of every 6 shots he takes close to the basket (I wonder how much higher that would be if you exclude uncontested shots – i.e. easy layups)
I have to admit, Jennings was getting rejected left and right last night. Probably had a lot to do with him riding the bench at the end of the game…
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Apr 21, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
46 wins. Good season.
Everything going on now is to be forgotten. Without Bogut, the team balloon is airless, just a useless scrap of rubber. Regret seeing the current team looking so ineffectual. But with Bogut they looked more capable than they were. Especially on defense. (Not that their offense was playoff good.)
We need more talent. Hammond knows this. Wonder if Kohl will opt for patience (starting in 2011) or opt for costly help this summer?
I think thats ok to say okay Bogut isnt there.............but
it is kinda as situation where we can sort out the the real deal from the complimentary player….I think alot of us would say the upside of Ilyasova is not bad, and he some real potential to be a good player, but in regards to Delfino….this is someone who should be a serious bench contributor to a playoff team…..he just relies on so much on his 3pt shot for offensive flow………..And Salmons is a nice complimentary player, but as the main player well not so much against the top sides….the same with Ridnour who shot the lights out career wise but next season if we want to improve he wouldnt have a serious major role…………perhaps harsh but lets be real Atlanta are good, but I dont think as good as we have allowed them to be………..sure lets see how we go at the Bradley buts its a good dose of reality of where we really are……in terms of the east being pretty shallow
Regular season over-achievement fades...
in the playoffs. I’d say we have no right to expect Salmons and Delfino to be playoff dominant. Neither came here with that kind of rep. Neither cost like a dominant player costs. The facts that they over-achieved in the regular season is real, part of their games, but the fact that they cannot continue that as featured high-production players in the post-season shouldn’t surprise. That asks too much of them. That pushes them past their abilities.
To some degree, the same applies to much of our team. Over-achieving is fun to watch in the regular season. It’s a weak horse to ride in the playoffs.
We HAVE let Atlanta get super comfortable. They think of us like a near-adult thinks of his kid brother. Their confidence reigns, and they play just hard enough to leave the outcome in virtually no doubt.
Bah
Losing your best player, who the entire offensive and defensive scheme are based around, has a tendency to make a team fade.
we need to find a guy who do something similiar as a back up then in the offseason....
obviously not at the same level……because after his first couple of years Bogues has struggled to get through a whole season….or else look at cloning Bogues or something…….Portland made a clutch move getting Camby for a couple of bench players and that has helped them a lot to be competitive in the play offs despite a myriad of injuries
agreed...
obviously guys like Bogut are scarce but they do need an upgrade in depth after him… Kurt Thomas is fine is spot minutes but we could use two other bigs besides Gadz and Primoz and I hope we adress depth at these spots this offseason…
Atlanta have built this team over 4 years so they should be more advanced in reality
we have plenty of room to improve and if we can add some decent talent suddenly guys that looka little out of depth in the playoffs….so far at least…we have a couple more games for them to show what they can do and make an impact……..but these same guys that are good role players Prince, Delfino, Ridnour but have some shortcomings will be pretty good guys coming off the bench, or as spot starters if we can hit with some draft picks, and continue to add some new players……….but also considering our market we are not going to have to look at guys like Salmons who fit in and are maybe under used or under appreciated…….so we still need the guys we have to improve and continue to play hard
we need 3 more players...
2 solid serviceable backup bigs…
1 backup wing…
The better these players the better we will be obviously but serviceable guys are a must… Gadz and PRimoz are WAY too much of a dropoff….
Hate to be the one to say it, but if Bogut gets the injury prone tag, Andrew Broke it is entirely too easy to pick up.
anyway I feel all that much better now that I know we are getting beaten by Josh Smith the second coming of LeBron James apparently
“He’s the closest thing to LeBron in the league,‘’ Hawks owner Michael Gearon Jr. said in an interview after the game with FanHouse. "I’m not saying he’s LeBron. But just look, he gets assists, he rebounds, he blocks shots. He’s a game changer. … Just look at his stats.’’
Michael Gearon showing why no one listens to owners’ scouting reports.
by Frank Madden on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Even though some critics on Delfino are fair –he’s not playing very well so far-,
I believe there are some excuses for his poor offensive performance.
I think that his best game appears when he has options, especially when he gets the ball at the perimeter. When Bogut was in and the ball went round looking for the open guy, his versatility gave the Bucks its reward. He could faint a pass and go inside, shoot a three, or make big assists. But when things are reduced to be effective on the one on one, well …he’s not very strong in that area.
As some might know, I read every day his comments in his website. Since playoffs started, he’s been pleading for the return of the collective game. Yesterday’s comment was:
"…our low effectiveness as a team goes by the hand of not distributing the ball in offensive, as I’ve been saying. No matter who is in or who is out: what brought us here was our team play. "
But frankly, it seems to me that this is a no way out situation: the Buck’s offensive game is either placed on Jenning’s shoulders –and it won’t be enough for winning- or it is placed in some collective distribution that enlightens Delfino’s and Salmons’ game but it won’t be enough as well to beat a good team as the Hawks .
So thinking about the future, one solution is, of course, as some argue here, to buy some more talent. But if that does not happen, I believe that the challenge is to match up Jenning in a collective system that doesn’t opaque his skills, or even better, that enlightens them.
In such a system I know Delfino will do ok. I’ve seen him score 18 points in a row for Argentina to beat Greece two years ago in Beijing Olympic Games quarterfinals: that team defended and shared the ball as the Bucks did before the playoffs started.

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