Hawks 95, Bucks 74: Improbable season ends with a whimper
Glass half full or glass half empty?
Looking just at the 48 minutes of basketball played on Sunday in Atlanta, even an optimist would admit the Bucks' glass looked almost completely empty after a second consecutive thrashing assured the end of their 2009/10 season. In fact, an empty glass might be a bit generous application of the metaphor--a cup smashed to bits is probably more appropriate.
Another big Hawks run, this time starting in the first rather than the third quarter, saw an encouraging 13-11 lead unravel into a 31-16 deficit early in the second quarter. Yes, John Salmons and Carlos Delfino were containing Joe Johnson (4/14 fg, 8 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast), and Josh Smith was saddled with silly foul trouble. But Al Horford was picking and popping, driving and dunking to 12 points in the game's first 15 minutes, and Jamal Crawford (22 pts on 16 shots) looked like the NBA's best sub for the second straight game, pick and rolling to 13 first half points.
Meanwhile, the Bucks were overwhelmed on the boards (55-34 overall) and could muster nothing short of Brandon Jennings' acrobatics and Ersan Ilyasova's offensive rebounding in a first half that seemed significantly more lopsided than the Hawks' 53-40 halftime edge suggested. Maybe the Hawks didn't land an early knockout punch, but the tone had clearly been set.
Atlanta had led 51-31 but seemed to take their foot off the gas pedal in the final minutes of the first half: Ilyasova and Primoz Brezec--yes, it had come to that--exchanged buckets before a Jennings drive and a late free throw by the rookie gave the Bucks some hope that they might be able to claw their way back into the game. All told it could have been much worse, as Salmons had just six and Delfino, Ridnour and Stackhouse were still scoreless after 24 minutes.
Skiles started the second half with Ilyasova on for Mbah a Moute, but the move had little impact. The Bucks worked the ball around for a corner three from Delfino to start the third--his only field goal of the game--cutting the Hawk lead to 10 and offering a slight glimmer of hope that another road win was at least possible. But Jennings lost Bibby (15 points on 12 shots) on the ensuing possession, giving up a wide open three that Bibby calmly (and predictably) buried to put the Bucks back in their place. Jennings would offer the final highlight of the game from a Milwaukee perspective shortly thereafter, stealing the ball out of the high post and then corkscrewing Bibby on the break with an around the back and reverse lay-up. We've seen it before, but it never gets old.
And alas, that was pretty much it. Atlanta played up to its potential for the second straight game, using its size and athleticism to generate their own scoring opportunities (shots in close + offensive rebounds = bad defense) and prevent the Bucks from managing much of any penetration. They did particularly well against Salmons (5/18 fg, no free throws, 11 pts), who was offered precious little room to operate on the perimeter and continued his series-long struggle from the perimeter (4/23 threes). Aside from an early drive past Horford (where he couldn't finish) and a late (and meaningless) drive and dunk, the Hawks defended Salmons exceptionally for the second straight game.
But as much as the Bucks' season ended with a thud--or a couple thuds, considering the combined performances of games six and seven--it's tough not to feel like we could be at the beginning of something special. For the first time in quite a while, the Bucks have put themselves in a rather unusual position: their fans and the national media will actually be expecting something from them in 2010/11. Whether they handle the role of up-and-comers as well as they handled the role of underdogs is a question for another day.
And those glasses? In the big picture they don't feel very empty at all. So to Andrew, Brandon, Carlos, Charlie, Dan, Ersan, Jerry, John, Kurt, Luc, Luke, Michael (sure), Primoz (OK), and Royal (everybody!)...cheers. We'll all be raising a glass to you tonight.
Three Bucks
Brandon Jennings: 41 min, 15 pts, 6/18 fg, 1/4 threes, 2/4 ft, 5 ast, 2 reb, 1 stl, 0 to
Jennings' fourth quarter strugggles (0/4, no points) coincided with the Bucks getting run out of the building for good, but through three quarters he seemed like the only Buck capable of making the Hawks defense break a sweat. Despite an early fading three, he was quiet in the first but got the Bucks back into it in the second quarter with a number of aggressive takes to the hoop off P&R. Though he was again blocked three times going to the hoop, Jennings overall shot 47% from two point range for the series and offered some hope that he might develop into a more confident attacker and finisher as a sophomore.
Luc Mbah a Moute: 22 min, 13 pts, 5/9 fg, 3/4 ft, 6 rebs, 1 to, 1 stl
The curious thing about Skiles' decision to bench Mbah a Moute to start the third? Mbah a Moute had nothing to do with the Bucks' first quarter collapse. He picked up his second foul with the Bucks up 13-11, then didn't return until Atlanta had run off 11 straight points. Luc had a number of nice finishes around the hoop in finishing with 13 points on a tidy nine shots and his -2 rating was the best of any Bucks starter by a wide margin.
Ersan Ilyasova: 31 min, 13 pts, 4/11 fg, 0/2 threes, 5/5 ft, 11 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl
First, the bad. Ilyasova didn't have a prayer on defense against Smith and Horford, and his complete lack of post game were exposed a couple times when he had mismatch opportunities against Mike Bibby. But he deserves mention as the only guy doing any work on the offensive glass, grabbing half of the Bucks' 12 offensive boards and scrapping his way to 13 points despite an off shooting night from the perimeter.
Three Numbers
17. The Hawks were absolutely dominant on the glass. Again. Atlanta was a great offensive rebounding team all season and they were better than their season average in every game of this series. The Bucks only narrowly grabbed more Hawk misses than Atlanta (22-17) and there's simply no way to compete when that's happening unless you absolutely shoot the lights out on the other end. In other words, the Bucks were pretty much screwed.
33%. Expecting an NBA team to make a third of their shots isn't asking too much; even a terrible shooting team like the Bucks was well above that over the course of the season (43.6%, second worst in the league). But with two chances to win a playoff series the Bucks simply...choked. They made just 33% of their field goals in both games six and seven, killing any chance of a first round upset.
Most to blame in game seven were the perimeter players: Salmons (5/18), Delfino (1/8), Ridnour (1/5), and Stackhouse (0/3) couldn't buy a jump shot and the Hawks shut down their driving as well.
20-3. The Bucks avoided the third quarter embarrassment they suffered in game six--at 20-20, that was actually the only quarter they didn't lose in game seven. But Atlanta outscored them by 17 over an eight minute period spanning the first and second quarters, creating a double-digit deficit the Bucks never recovered from.
Two Good
Ball control. The Bucks turned it over just five times, though their horrible shooting more than made up for it.
Wait 'til next year. Tough to feel too bad about one game when you put this game into the context of the whole season. The Bucks excelled in the role of underdog all year, shattering all expectations and coping with the loss of Andrew Bogut as well as could be hoped.
Bogut in uniform. There were conflicting reports about why the big fella was sitting in warmups rather than a suit--Jim Paschke tweeted that Charlie Bell had been deactivated because of a missed meeting, while Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted it was because of a lineup error (which he since deleted). Either way, there was something encouraging about seeing the big man on the bench in a shortsleeve Black Bucks shirt, a cast on his hand but no brace on his elbow. Get well soon, Drew.
Three Bad
Boarded. Atlanta grabbed nine of their first 16 misses despite the fact that Horford didn't have an offensive rebound until the fourth quarter. Owing in part to their deficit in the size and athleticism departments, the Bucks allowed the rest of the Hawks far too many chances in the early going, energizing the guys on the floor and those who made it to Philips Arena.
Shooting woes. Efficiency-wise, the Bucks' stinker in game six (81.0 pts/100) was their worst offensive performance since their 95-77 loss in L.A. on January 10 (80.5). Today was slightly better thanks to their care of the ball and offensive rebounding, but it was still significantly worse than any of their previous 10 games before game six. These kinds of struggles don't seem that crazy when you look at the Bucks' personnel without Bogut, but the reality is that the Bucks had shown they could score without Bogut.
Offseason questions. It's still a great time to be a Bucks fan, but John Hammond and company still have a summer of work to do. Salmons, Ridnour, Thomas, and Stackhouse will need to be re-signed or replaced, three draft picks will need to yield at least one rotation player, and the Bucks will have to decide if they want to spend MLE money this year or save it for bigger cap room in 2011. Perhaps most importantly, Bogut still has a long summer of rehab ahead of him.
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Plan #1 accomplished
Alright, we’ve got (some) fans to know that the Bucks exist. Plan #2: Make them interested in what the Bucks do in the off season. Plan #3:…What do we do with Michael Redd? Plan #4: Win more games.
John Hammond, Work your magic.

I Agree
Let the summer of intrigue commence!
by Big Crazy Dave on May 2, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
#3 - what to do with Redd
Answer: change the Cousins Center and BC locks and screen his calls. At this point he’s of more value as an insured expiring contract than a basketball player. Sad to say, but that’s business. Very interesting to see if his expiring deal will have any value next February…would have been very useful this year (see what Houston got for T-Mac from the Knicks), but next year’s FA class isn’t nearly as attractive.
What about using it to get a trade this summer?
Here’s an idea that will work come this summer: Redd’s contract for Rip Hamilton and Jason Maxiell.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i gotta say, I'm not that interested now in re-signing Salmons.
Sure he was great in the regular season, but he cracked in the playoff. He did nothing these last couple of games. And he lost his defense.
It was apparent that we needed a guy who could make a shot.
Hammonds needs to get Ray Allen signed to the Bucks. It would bring back fans, and Ray is a consistent talent. That’s what I want.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Ray Allen would seem a pretty good fit......ie he can hit a jump shot
I guess we still need someone who can create their own shot though with Bogut back and Jennings improving his ability to drive and dish and get into the lane……….
It depends on what they do with their draft picks,
but if the bucks add a PF in the first round, having RTay there to mentor a second rounder shooting guard could be extremely beneficial. I just don’t see adding Ray to the line up hurting the bucks. I think he’ll be availible for a good price. as well, He already has a championship, I don’t think he’s going to be trophy hunting in free agency. I think a farewell tour for two or three years with the Bucks would be right up his alley
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I think winning would bring back fans
Maybe Ray Allen helps in that regard. Anyway, I suspect if you asked random Milwaukeeans if Ray Allen would bring them to the Bradley Center, you would mostly get people who don’t know who he is or people who were planning on going regardless of Ray Allen being on the team. If they sign him, it will (and should) be for basketball reasons, not nostalgia.
Failure is just success rounded down.
That's milwaukee
Ray Allen ment a lot to the rest of WI. Ask Brewer and Packer fans when they stopped watching the Bucks… I bet many of them will tell you it was when Karl got rid of Ray
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I should've used Wisconsinite instead of Milwaukeean
But even if you are correct, I don’t think signing Ray Allen would be the impetus behind those people paying attention to the Bucks again. Then again, I don’t think it really matters either way, so meh.
Failure is just success rounded down.
guy has been productive this year.....and he would fit in with what we need...otherwise I wouldnt entertain it
tho for comedic reasons here Id like the chance to use Jesus Shuttlesworth and make he got game references alot more
such is life such is death........and the Redd era is dead
Hammonds gets to show us why he has a shiny new trophy
1) nail this draft-at least one contributor preferably with our first rounder ;)
2)cold shoulder Redd out Milwaukee or unleash some Bango style karate on him
3)work out which vets he brings back- Salmons I assume both sides realise they are tied together now for better or worse? Ridnour- If the price is right. Stack- we need an upgrade KT- get it done just so he can teach whomever backs up Bogut I assume it wont be him full time again :)
4) sucker someone into some stupid deal that benefits us…..David Kahn/Rambis seem intent on pissing Kevin Love off with their Darko/Ryan Hollins infatuation heck make it happen Bogut/Love combo oh baby
5)add some more international players: lets pluck the next Nick Bartum
6)keep NOT listening to the Senator
6)keep NOT listening to the Senator
It’s been working so far.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell Maurer on May 2, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
5) add some more international players
The 2010-11 Milwaukee Bucks: Brandon Jennings & the world
Failure is just success rounded down.
BJ & The World Basketball Nearly All Stars But Not Quite Yet There......
coming to a city near you next year………….stay tuned
Bring back Yi
We need someone from Asia…besides, his trade value is basically zero :)
by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
just what we need a 7ft guy who shoots under 40% and cant convert at the rim...oh wait he'll fit right in
heck through in the muber 1 pick and I’ll take back Bobby Simmons too!!
Don't forget, he was born there,
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget Frank,
He requested a trade after not getting his option picked up… I don’t know if he’s a big fan of Hammonds. nor a fan of efficient scoring.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 4, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
anyway I know all our 4 losses stunk...but how good were those three wins with that game 5 hit n run in Atlanta to cap it
Game 5
Was one of the most joyful moments I have experienced as a Bucks fan.
by ZV on May 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
RFO buddy
Game 5 was the most amazing game this year and following this team this year got way easier at the end. I am very excited about next year.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 2, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Kevin Love
Ilikebj’s you mention Kevin Love. I think that would be amazing but whats your take on what we have to give up for him. I would say it definitly involves one of our 3 draft picks. maybe a pick next year too. Love is a rebounding machine with good post D and O.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
Im counting on Kahn's stupidity (alleged) but there is enough evidence that he makes strange moves ;)
kinda a pipe dream but you never know unless you ask them…………
just tired of seeing the last two championships go to teams who stole another teams star player cos they were shite and gave them away Celtic’s getting Allen & Garnett, Lakers getting Gasol, most likely Cavs after taking Jamison for free………..lets get ours as well ;)
regardless their are some talented guys stuck on benches for whatever reasons with some good athleticism and ability…..you figure Skile’s gets the best out of anyone not named Tyrus Thomas
True
I am sure we will find someone just hope that Redd doesnt take the option and yes Tyrus Thomas would be a fail move. It will be interesting hammonds really hasnt dissapointed yet so I ahve faith he will find his big man to play next to bogut.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 2, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a huge Love fan
I think the way Skiles preaches team defense you could hide his deficiencies on that end reasonably well—he’s smart and rebounds, which are two huge pieces of it. His future may be more as a combo 4/5 dependent on matchups, but I think you can get him 30 minutes/game playing next to Bogut as well as playing as an undersized 5 when Bogut’s resting.
No idea what the Wolves would want for him but I have to think they’d want a first and at least one asset. Kahn didn’t draft him and it seems obvious the Love/Jefferson conversation doesn’t work, so you have to think they’ll entertain any reasonable offer. Love for Ersan/15th overall? Much as I like Ersan and rolling the dice on a draft pick, I’d probably do that.
Really?
You really think it would take that much. I can see the first round pick being enough. Or maybe even Ersan and one of the seconds. Is that where we pick(15th)? Because we get to swap with the bulls that is where they finished right? Either way i would be willing to give up the 15th pick for Kevin Love.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 2, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I could certainly be overvaluing him...which would be a good thing obviously
I was just cruising around the discussions at Canis Hoopus (or SBN Twolves blog) and it’s amazing how divided people seem on that whole roster. Aside from their lottery pick they also have the 16th and 23rd picks, so they are also loaded in terms of first rounders—maybe that wouldn’t be as appealing to them this year.
Ersan and Love are very different in terms of bodies but they have similar roles, and I definitely prefer Love in that sense—better rebounder, better inside scorer. Love can’t check perimeter PFs as well as Ersan but has a much better body for playing the 5. And after watching Bogut suffer another serious injury I’d love to get a guy who can both provide quality minutes next to him as well as play the 5 when Drew isn’t in the game.
Is Love really worth a cheap, young, quality role player like Ersan AND a mid-first? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t see Ersan being a long-term starter at PF—more of a quality sixth man who can also start when needed. Love on the other hand COULD be a long-term starter. Whether or not you like the deal I mentioned then comes down to your relative valuations of each.
Yeah
You could be right Love could be worth that much I guess its really up to the Wolves. I guess a lot of it will be determined at the draft. If they take a another big man with all those high picks I am sure they will value Love even less but who knows. You are exactly right though Love would be a great addition and definitly worth number 15 and ersan or maybe even a switch of picks or something like that who knows I am sure they will figure it out if the bucks are indeed interested in Kevin Love. I have no Idea which is why I am not a GM. I can only offer up my opinion and I think it would be great to add Love to the fold or who knows maybe we get another big man via the 15th pick. Whichever way we do it we need to add another big man like you say that can play the 4/5 and score in the post.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 2, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Hammonds made a push for Troy Murphy at the deadline....
so it will be interesting if they renew that interest, could he be our Jamal Crawford?
dont really have an opinion on Murphy, he rebounds and hangs out on the perimeter shooting three’s so he’ll probably fit in with us :) and he doesnt seem to complain despite playing on losing teams his whole career
also Gooden seemed like he was in the picture which Im not thrilled about
think Love is a better option over both, and Murphy isnt bad in that his stupid bad contract comes off the books in a year I think so that fits our goals short term
yup thats what I figured 15th pick & Ersan is what your looking at
kinda amazing to watch the moves they have made under Kahn……..Flynn/Rubio mess, sign Sessions then pretty much get nothing out of him all season, and then the topper sitting Kevin Love for who……Darko & Ryan Hollins……..Im not even mentioning what they try to run (bad term I know) under Rambis…..maybe he should ask Jim Cleamons how well it went back in the big D………..
Love’s rebounding numbers per mins are insane right? 11 rpg in 28 mins yikes
Yup he seems like a great fit for Bogut, gives us another presence inside, a power rebounding tandem, a pretty good passer as well, he has a bit of range on his jumper
someone who wants to improve, who can grow with Bogut/Jennings core/ and someone you figure flourishes under Skiles
yeah Kahn just seems so out of Love with him, no pun intended for once, that it seems at least from the outside its worth a major push
Love looks like a great compromise between trying to improve short term & grow long term
15th pick what are we looking at a big guy who can rebound, block shots etc etc ……but the drafts a crap shoot at that number really, you should get a contributor/role player but we plenty of those ;)
I value Ersan’s energy off the bench, he has a decent upside I guess-but that also makes him a valuable asset as much as I dont like to say it…..and Kahn likes white euro guys it seems so thats another bonus
Bogut/Love/Delfino/Salmons/Jennings
I like having Prince coming off the bench as a defensive stopper, If he can improve his finishing around the rim, cant see a jumper coming anytime soon sadly, someone would have to pay attention to him on defense, he doesnt really pull in enough rebounds to start……thats one upgrade we need to look at….we are alot stronger if he is a bench guy
Kevin Love
I agree with everything you say here and using the 15th pick on a contributor is going to be hard with drafting a guy. If we can package that up and get love then I would rather have Love a proven player over a player at that point in the draft who is going to be a “PROJECT” type player.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 3, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions
this whole plan relies on the idiocy of David Kahn......I like its chances ;)
either Kahn is an idiot or a cunning genius lets find out
Love was on Jennings AAU team
in high school. IT was called the greatest AAU team of all time. I bet the two would work great together. As well, maybe Kevin could get his uncle Mike to play some shows in the BC
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
off-season
With the broader fan base having taken notice of the team this end of season, I’d hope that Kohl would really want to improve the team to cement support and attendance. Even if he had to pay luxury tax for a year to add a Good Starter. Bogut, Jennings, Good Starter, and our young talent developing – that would be a solid combination. Good for the fans. Good for selling the team in a couple years.
That’s what I tell myself to feed my hope.
The flip side is that off seasons are usually shaped by reality, with its limitations, than by dreams.
I think Kohl has shown he'll spend money..........the thing is that hasnt always been the best thing
thats where Hammonds comes in….with our market we hopefully raise our level from bargain euro players and minimum vet contracts if the right player is around….Hammonds has been pretty good at that so far….so Im happy to continue along these lines of value for money players to fill roles………….and if they fell like the right player is there to compliment Bogut/Jennings such as they did with Salmons they can spend a bit of salary cap this year……I think we all agree now that not signing Sessions/Charlie V and flipping RJ was quite genius from the front office
once Redd/Dan Gadz come off the books at the end of next season then they have some room to move
and we can way way over spend on a middling talent………….joy I love the NBA
Im just guessing but I assume Salmons is on board
really our upside is pretty good….I feel good about that…….we have Prince/Delfino combo if we add talent and have role playing guys like them coming off the bench as our 2nd unit instead of starting we are suddenly looking a lot stronger
really need to address the 4 and Bogut’s back up, love KT back as 3rd guy just for his smarts and presence but we cant have him having to play as much as he did this season
and as much as I like Stack we need a shooter off the bench who can actually shoot more than once every 4 games
Ridnour is an interesting one……….there are plenty of back up points out there……but decent ones …errm maybe not what are the options guys like Steve Blake? Jennings is pretty zippy so we dont need that guy who can push the floor at an extreme pace like Ty Lawson more the steady hand that Ridnour mostly provides
anyway its kinda good timing......
in Australia when your football team gets knocked out and their season ends it means Mad Monday……kinda like an alcohol inspired wake to celebrate/mourn the season…..the team players being the most enthusiastic participants……so cheers all to the end of a great season but the beginning of the Bogut/Jennings era….lets hope its a continued success
Might Salmons not opt out?
If he judges that the last 2 games tarnished his rep (he did show as a stoppable force), and if he likes it here, and if he and Hammond reach a verbal on 2011 & beyond, maybe he plays the next season on the old contract. If so, does that help us improve this off-season?
Im sure it goes on......Stack is an expert on these contract 'arrangements'....
but thats not exactly legal is it tp have verbal agreements regarding not opting out and saying under the table you’ll sign them next year?…………Is that what happened with the Cav’s & Carlos Boozer when he double blindsided and signed somewhere else anyway
no way Salmons doesnt get a multi year deal done this year with whomever right….who knows what the deal is under the next CBA….and he is a year older…he still has a decent rep after his regular season here………so I cant see him playing out his contract with the risk he has a come down in performance next year……which lets be honest could happen…..so I think he signs a 3-4 year deal somewhere
looking ahead to the draft....
it would be really nice to get a scorer, because I really don’t think Salmons will stay. However, after the top 10 the draft is really weak this year so I think John Hammond will have to venture into the FA market.
If there was a year to splurge on a good player on the open market this is it.
"I would say my biggest flaw, my Achilles heel is my tireless work ethic"-Kenny Powers
James Anderson from OSU
That’s the guy I want, He attacks the basket, and can shoot from outside. On the major sites for drat covereage, he is rated somewhere between 15 and 23. He can be had, and is an extreme scorer. He isn’t known for playing D, but Skiles will make him play D. Jennings and Bogut will make him play D. It the way you gotta work on this team.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
okay interesting.....Im interested in adding talented guys........
if they have they talent we can do something with it, either you bust your ass on defense on this team or you sit so yeah that can always improve under Skiles, and with his system you dont exactly have to be the best defender
my only thing is once Wade & LeBron stay at home...
suddenly premier FA agents are who Joe Johnson, Amare, Boozer, Bosch………..not on our radar……then you start looking at players who are below that…..is there anyone appealing?
Ill drown my sorrows if we even think about signing Drew Gooden
Agreed. don't add that guy unless its for barely over the vet minimum
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The blah feeling...
I have about Drew Gooden may suggest he’s undervalued. He’s seemed to be a bit of a thorn in our side the past few seasons. If Hammond should bring him on board, I’ll suspend judgment to see what happens.
But he doesn’t seem to offer the toughness we need in a big.
I’d be really excited to have him for $2-3 million. He’s not a long term piece but he rebounds, hits jumpers, and can play as both a PF or a small ball C. Defense is solid though he has his space cadet moments.
by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah thats the thing he isnt a long term option...and he will be looking for a longer deal
so I wouldnt want to tie myself down to Drew Gooden……..Im always vary of him in that the Cavs were on thr brink of championship and they werent really fussed about losing him….always makes me wonder
I would sign Drew Gooden to a one-year deal and then trade him midyear to continue his trip around the NBA
I would not be a good GM.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Hassan Whiteside
This is the guy most mock drafts have us taking looks like a project but very athletic and skilled defensively also a very solid rebounder. Not sure how he would adjust to the nba style of play as he didnt play man solid bigs at Marshall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJFUB98qaM&feature=related
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on May 3, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
He's so skinny,
I just don’t know how much more he can add to his frame. He looks like Tayshaun Prince but 6 inches taller.
He is an astounding blocker. but Centers are usually project coming into the NBA, he looks like a project of a project.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't get those in the draft.
The one there has been in recent years we passed on… Brook Lopez
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by Take Back Our Bucks on May 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
tho once in awhile you can get lucky and get an unheralded guy who steps up...I guess guys like Paul Millsap, Dejuan Blair who were taken in the 2nd round
but they are usually a bit undersized…..I guess a kid like Serge Ibaka would be useful

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