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Draft: Henry, Motiejunas, Whiteside among mock candidates for Bucks' first rounder

The downside of actually having a respectable basketball team?  The draft isn't quite as much fun. 

Even so, the Bucks will be hoping to add another rotation player when they pick 15th overall on June 24th, and they also have the 37th (from Philly) and 47th picks in the second round play with.  The Bucks' needs at this point seem fairly obvious: anyone who can complement their two young cornerstones at center and point guard.  And the good news is that this draft seems to have a clear bias to those needs.  The point guard position is extremely weak outside likely #1 John Wall, and Cole Aldrich is the only true center likely to go in the top ten.  Given Kentucky freshman Eric Bledsoe (PG) and Daniel Orton (C) may be the only mid-first round prospects at those positions, the Bucks can probably satisfy both a need and take the best player available at the same time.  Good times.

Of the Bucks' needs, the most glaring in my book would be an athletic 4/5 who can both play next to Bogut as well as get burn at center when the big fella is resting or...gulp, hurt.  Plenty of guys roughly fit that bill in this year's draft, though the best big men--DeMarcus Cousins, Derrick Favors, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe--figure to be gone by the time the Bucks select.  Still, it's a deep draft for big men and guys like Ekpe Udoh, Patrick Patterson, Larry Sanders, Donatas Motiejunas, Hassan Whiteside, and Kevin Seraphin could still be around.

The Bucks could also use a young wing scorer (or two), more so if they're unable to retain John Salmons.  Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson seem to be the only stud wings guaranteed to go in the top ten (or top three in Turner's case), and beyond that you've got a broad assortment of intriguing yet flawed choices: James Anderson, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, et al.  We'll try to offer more on all these guys as the process evolves, but we'll start by surveying the current mocks at DraftExpress, Ridiculous Upside and NBADraft.net.  Chad Ford doesn't have a mock beyond the lottery at this point, but he does have Henry as #15 in his top 100.  Regardless, the draft has taught us to expect the unexpected--remember, no one thought Joe Alexander and Brandon Jennings would end up in Bucks uniforms when the draft process started in '08 or '09.

Star-divide

DraftExpress: Xavier Henry, SG/SF, Kansas, 19 years old
For better or worse, Henry looks a lot like the Bucks' current options at the 2/3 spots. He doesn't seem to bring the explosiveness or scoring creativity to be a star, but he's a responsible defender, excellent shooter, and willing passer.  Of all the swingmen likely to fall in the 10-20 range, he could be the best-suited to being an immediate rotation player, which would obviously be appealing to a Bucks team looking to win games now.  Still, his one year at Kansas didn't offer much hint of whether he could be more than a quality role player or solid starter. At #15 that may be enough for the Bucks, who don't have a history of patience with their draft picks in the Hammond/Skiles era.  DX's Joseph Treutlein offers his thoughts on Henry's future:

Looking forward, Henry clearly has two NBA skills in his three-point shooting and passing, while his team-oriented approach will certainly be appealing to teams, but with only a year spent in college and not much to show for it in terms of shot creating abilities, teams will have a tough time gauging his learning curve to see if that’s something he’s likely to develop down the road. Henry’s attitude and approach to the game are definitely reassuring in this regard, but if he only projects as a role playing wing who can’t create his own shot (and there are questions about which position he is best suited to guard), teams may be hesitant to draft earlier than the later portion of the lottery at best, though there are likely many playoff teams who would be happy to see him fall.

Ridiculous Upside: Donatas Motiejunas, PF/C, Benetton Treviso (Italy), 19 years old
Scott and the gang at RU have their first mock draft up today, pegging the Bucks to take Lithuanian big man Moteijunas with the 15th pick.

The Bucks need a power forward to play next to Andrew Bogut because Ersan Ilyasova just really didn't get it done. I'm not sure Motiejunas would be able to either (though he can at least handle the offensive end), but he is the best available 7-footer and he's been compared to Toni Kukoc - both of which are never a bad thing on a team trying to build a championship roster.

I'm wary of any seven footer who has major question marks as a rebounder and defender, but I suppose we should remember that Motiejunas doesn't turn 20 until September and he's already a solid contributor with Italian stalwarts Benetton Treviso (yes, the same club that produced Kukoc). However, it doesn't sound like he has anywhere close to the passing abilities of Kukoc (who does?), and for what it's worth DraftExpress compares his best/worst case scenarios to perimeter bigs Andrea Bargnani and Channing Frye.  I'm not a big fan of either of those guys (soft bigs who don't rebound...blech), but next to someone like Bogut those deficiencies could be somewhat masked.  More worrying is that Motiejunas looks far too weak to bang with NBA big men anytime soon, though he should get stronger with age.

Motiejunas would need a buyout to play in the NBA next season--he has one year left on his deal with Benetton--so the team drafting him might need to wait a year.  Remember that NBA teams can only pay $500k of a player buyout, so the rest has to come out of the player's own salary.  That's especially problematic for first round picks, whose first four years of salary are locked in by the CBA.  Given Motiejunas' contract and physical limitations, my immediate reaction is that he's a poor fit for the Bucks' current plans--besides, I'd rather not have to type his last name ten times a day.

NBADraft.net: Hassan Whiteside, PF/C, Marshall, 20 years old
Whiteside is a perfect prospect for the YouTube generation: an athletic dunker and finisher, ridiculous shot-blocker (5.4 bpg!), and even capable of sticking a midrange jumper, White has undeniable upside. In other words, you'll be really excited about him when you watch his sweet highlight reel on draft night. After that?  Well, you may be facepalming yourself for years as he struggles to figure out how to actually, you know, play NBA basketball.  I'll let the excellent Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress take it away:

"Immature" is the word you hear most often associated with Whiteside both on and off the court, as there will certainly be a large degree of hand-holding and coddling that whichever team drafts him needs to do in order to help him reach his full potential. There are major questions about his work ethic and intensity level, which is a bit concerning considering how far off he currently is from being able to contribute to an NBA team. We also need to keep in mind that despite his freshman status, he’s the same age as many college juniors, turning 21 this upcoming June. This obviously limits his upside to a certain degree.

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Whiteside v Skiles = Tyrus Thomas v Skiles

hmm we know how well an raw athletic rebounder/shot blocker who is immature worked with Skiles in Chicago……..

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Whiteside's frame and issues with immaturity also remind of Anthony Randolph

Since this Bucks regime picked Alexander over Randolph, I doubt they will take Whiteside even if he were available.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps Javale McGee is the better comparison

long, athletic guys with a lot to learn about how to play hoops. you watch the athletic gifts and think about what could be….and then you hope each will make the necessary commitment to figure out how to best take advantage of their strengths.

ARandolph is a different player than McGee, Tyrus and Whiteside. ARandolph has the ability to be more of a point forward (i.e., better handles and passing).

by hunter11 on May 3, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good time to take a guy like Whiteside tho

Whiteside will take some development, but the Bucks have the core to put a guy like Whiteside into the rotation right away like they did Jennings. Solid back-up guys like Ersan and LRMAM give him the opportunity to play but have bad games. Whiteside is exactly what the Bucks need in a defensive PF, but there are alternatives like Larry Sanders, Ekpe Udoh, and Kevin Seraphin. Although Udoh kind of reminds me of Hak Warrick. Whiteside though may have the most offensive potential of that bunch and they Bucks need a PF with big offensive potential which is why I like Charles Garcia and Tiny Gallon in the 2nd round.

by FearTheDeer on May 4, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiny Gallon?

That’s a great name. What is he, 96 ounces?

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 5, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the contrary, he's about 5,120 oz

The guy is huge seems to play kind of soft. He has a decent shooting percentage, but doesn’t block well, nor does he polish the glass all that well.

He is a freshman, and has possible off the court issues. I don’t know if I’d want him on our team.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 5, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He took $3,500 from a financial advisor. Now they call him having off court issues. His weight may be another? He shed 20lbs last year tho.

by FearTheDeer on May 5, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about Whiteside is that he’s apparently not a good defender aside from the shot-blocking. You can see it in his highlight videos—when a guy posts up he literally just backs off and dares the guy to shoot over him. It’s pretty bizarre but I guess that’s the kind of stuff you get away with when you have incredible physical tools in a weak conference. There seem to be a lot of questions about his bball IQ which is always worrying…I don’t know if Skiles would have much patience with him early on.

Everyone associated with Oklahoma seemed to take a bit hit this year…something about that team just didn’t work. Amazing how Willie Warren (Jennings old running mate at Oak Hill) went from a likely lotto pick to a late first rounder (or maybe even 2nd). Gallon’s definitely one of those guys you could take a chance on with one of the two second rounders, perhaps preferably with the #47. Seems very Big Baby-like (for better or worse) in both size and skills.

by Frank Madden on May 5, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whiteside...

The more I look at the Whiteside highlights, the more I feel like he’ll be gone long before the Bucks get a chance to take him.

by FearTheDeer on May 5, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would be really happy with warren in the 2nd and larry sanders in the 1st...

warren does have some upside even though he fell off the radar a bit…

by Superelkman on May 8, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

FearTheDeer2011!

I thought the Bucks got the 36th from Philly? Philly won the tie breaker with Detroit. And their own should be 47th instead of 57th. Sorry to be picky.

Whiteside>Henry>Udoh>Motiejunas of which Henry may be the only guy who’s NBA ready at 6’6" SG who’s like 220lbs.

What about the option of trading this pick in a package to a team trying to get rid of one of the under utilized PF’s like Kevin Love? or Michael Beasley? or Brandon Bass?

by FearTheDeer on May 3, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops, 47th is right

Thanks for that catch, though I think the 37th pick is correct. The coin flip Philly won was for the lottery pick—they apparently reverse that in the second round.

http://detnews.com/article/20100417/SPORTS0102/4170327/Pistons-lose-coin-toss—could-draft-seventh

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michael Beasley

I sure hope we don’t end up with him. Comes across as a chucker and a punk to me.

by ZV on May 3, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll have to do a separate post on trade options

As we were discussing yesterday, I like the idea of adding Love a lot. Beasley not so much, though if he’s dirt cheap then I think he’s worth rolling the dice on. He certainly would bring a serious injection of scoring ability. Bucks could also be able to make a play for him because Delfino’s contract is NG’ed—meaning Miami could clear cap room before free agency starts.

I also like Bass, though he’s not the same kind of talent and I wouldn’t be thrilled about giving up a real asset for him. Charlie Bell (one less year on his contract) and two second rounders???? Yeah, didn’t think so.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would really like Larry Sanders before all of those guys to be honest with you...

One of the highest rebound rates in college basketball which is something that translates over to the pros… he is a really good shot blocker… and has really high upside due to elite athleticism and that fact he only started playing basketball in 10th grade…

by Superelkman on May 3, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

DraftExpress on Larry Sanders...

“With that said, his tools on this end of the floor are simply amazing, and should allow him to develop into a solid defender if he gets the proper coaching and is willing to put the effort in.”

Now if only we had a coach who could develop him into a solid defender…

by Superelkman on May 3, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really want to like Sanders

Another guy I haven’t seen in person but from a physical profile standpoint he’s exactly what we could use—big leaper, blocks shots, can maybe play some five if he adds weight. Ford mentioned that his wingspan was measured at 7’6.5" at LeBron’s camp last summer (6’10" in shoes, 217 lbs), which makes you feel better about his ability to translate his rebounding/shot-blocking skills to the NBA..

by Frank Madden on May 5, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's interesting reading all the varying opinions.....

could the Bucks settle on a solid pick at 15 like Xavier Henry, who might not be special but could be a solid rotation guy……..probably meaning Salmons gets signed

and then hope that one of the big ‘project’ big guys they are eyeing drops to the 2nd round and they can take a chance later…..it seems at pick 15 while alot of these PF/C’s have some upside they probably cant contribute very much early on…..

interesting position we are in………..

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 5, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love...

…To have Kevin Love (lol). But I doubt that Minnesota would be willing to part with him, unless they have a better guy to work with in this years draft. (Remember the onslaught of point guards they drafted last year? Maybe this will be the year of the forward for the T Wolves.)
He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would clash with Skiles.

Squad 6 might regret the whole “Love Stinks!” thing they did then. ;)

by Jacob Grinyer on May 3, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

If Minny doesn’t get a top two pick then their best option will quite possibly be Favors or Cousins, so it’s certainly possible they have an odd man out scenario at the 4/5 with Al, Love and their pick.

In that scenario you could make a good case that they’re better off getting rid of Jefferson instead, but he’s got a huge contract and is coming off a bad season (coming off the injury a big part of it), making him much tougher to trade. Plenty of teams would be interested in Love given he’s still young, productive and on a rookie contract.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes got my fingers crossed that the dice roll against Minny and their best option becomes a pf in the draft

suddenly they have Jefferson whom with his injury history and contract, and the fact that he is under sized means he is pretty unmovable, Love whom for some reason seems the odd man out, add in their determination to play Darko/Hollins at centre…….are we missing something with Love he seems he a damn fine prospect?

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be surprised...

-I’d be surprised if Kevin Love wasn’t traded. Al Jeffersons contract is not moveable at $12mil a season for like $6 years and for the last 2 years Love and Jefferson have been good players, just not together. Love will be traded. Why not pair him with Jennings, his old AAU teammate?

-What about David Lee in FA?

-I like nbadraft.net picking Tiny Gallon in the 2nd round or draftexpress picking Charles Garcia in the 2nd round. If the Bucks roll with the picks from Ridiculous Upside, I’d be pretty upset. I’d rather they grabbed Alabi to back-up Bogut than Motiejunas.

by FearTheDeer on May 3, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you’re right about Love’s availability. I imagine the lottery will play a big part in determining where he ends up—if they are in a position to draft Favors/Cousins instead of Wall/Turner it becomes much more urgent. But even if they don’t get a PF they probably want to shop him given how poor of a fit he is next to Jefferson.

I never got real confirmation about the Bucks pursuing Lee last year through a S&T, but it would have made sense for them to consider it given the Knicks were after Sessions. I just don’t know how we’d be a player given he’ll be looking for huge dollars and we don’t have cap room. You could try to do a S&T of some sort, but if the Knicks really want to go after two max free agents they may have to let him walk for nothing.

The more I think about it, the less I like the Motiejunas pick—and I didn’t particularly like it initially. But I really doubt the Bucks would take him unless they were convinced he was far and away the best prospect available.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need an athletic big man

My one rule: He can’t be white. This isn’t a racial thing, as I AM white myself. We just gotta get more athletic, and more often than not, he isn’t white.

by tommyr on May 3, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

It's sad

Because it’s often true….

"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?

by Jacob Grinyer on May 3, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The white guy I would draft...

extremely second round, but I wouldn’t mind it if the Bucks took a flyer on Luke Harangody from ND. A small PF, but the kid can grab boards and score. As well, he has strength to help make up for his height.

He’s kind of like Tyler Hansborough. As well, he doesn’t have the size of him, but DeJuan Blair is a decent comparison. They are not on the same level, but it’s a fair comparison

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 4, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

The Bucks biggest problem right now is size. I’d hate to see them draft an undersized anybody. No SG’s under 6’5" and no PF under 6’9". The second biggest problem the Bucks have is scoring. A guy who lacks in both areas is of little use to the Bucks.

by FearTheDeer on May 4, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harangody was 9th in the nation in scoring @ 21.8 per Game

He is taller than Dejuan Blair. Would you willingly pass on Dejuan Blair because he’s not 6’9’’?

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 4, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who else?

Who else was going to score for Norte Dame? That doesn’t translate to professional basketball. Jodie Meeks avg like 20ppg last year too.

I thought the Bucks should have traded up for Blair last year but unfortunately Harangody is not Blair. Blair was a top 10 talent with an injury that pushed his draft status into the early 2nd round.

Harangody is an undrafted FA to overseas kind of talent.

by FearTheDeer on May 4, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know they play in the Big East right?

The dude isn’t a slouch. I’m not saying he’s Blair, but your argument is not sound. Harangody has a great percentage at the rim and shoots 37 % from three. He Scores… he rebounds. I’m not saying he is a Blair, but he is more than worth a look for a second rounder, especially because we have two pics.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 4, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt mind harangody as our 2nd 2nd round pick...

rebounding translates into the nba really well… maybe he could be a backup 4 who can rebound and shoot 3’s… troy murphy perhaps…

i do agree though that harangody isnt nearly the player blair was…

by Superelkman on May 4, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean to say that they are the same player,

what I was saying is that you can’t count a guy out because he’s not 6’9’’

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ilyasova and LRMAM

Bucks have to draft a PF that they think will be able to start. They have 2 great PF’s off the bench in Ilyasova and LRMAM. Both of which are undersized PF’s, I’d hate to see them draft another undersized PF considering their biggest problem down the stretch was size.

by FearTheDeer on May 5, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want to hate on Harangody, but...

His biggest problem is that he doesn’t pass the eye test…size/athleticism wise it doesn’t make sense that he’s as good as he is, and he looks like total goober as well (I know that’s secondary, but I think some people hold it against him). Historically guys like that tend to be undervalued and end up as good value in the second round. I wouldn’t bet money that he is ever a starter in the league, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he ends up being a sleeper pick.

by Frank Madden on May 5, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

their biggest problem was having no depth in their frontcourt...

although a big dude would be preferred we really just need 3 more rotation players(2 in our frontcourt so we dont have to give minutes to gadz or primoz)

by Superelkman on May 8, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am thinking henry or

is there any possible way to move up in the draft using those 2 second round picks and the first rounder? If we could move up and get a guy like Greg Monroe that would be sweet Monroe might fit well in this system.

FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(

by russelTHEmuscle on May 3, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe if there’s a team not in love with their options you could trade up to the 10-12 spots by using those seconds, but I doubt those would get you much higher. In that scenario you have a better chance at getting whichever of the lotto-caliber bigs slips.

Well, Brad Miller in his prime was a damn good player…I think Monroe is more mobile than Miller was, but he’s definitely not the kind of athlete you’d want in a top five guy. I think he ends up playing a lot of 5 partly for that reason. I wouldn’t say he’s a perfect fit next to Bogut (I’d prefer a more athletic guy) but I’d still be excited to get him.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am also a fan of the Love

Move. He is a rebounding machine. Not really A material on post D but with the help of skiles and bogut right next to him he should be alright. Lets go get him.

FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(

by russelTHEmuscle on May 3, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Might have to move up

If the Bucks are looking for someone to slot right into the rotation, they may have to trade up. Where they are at now begs for “best player available.”

by tommyr on May 3, 2010 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Another potential athletic PF/C...

Kevin Seraphin 6’9 258 lb. PF/C, plays on French team Cholet that produced Rodrique Beaubois. He is currently slated to go 23rd in draft in Draftexpress, but has been moving up. Profile here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Seraphin-5278/

Only 20 years old and runs the floor like a gazelle, has some raw skills in the post. Check out a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lHZveuKK5U

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and add a 7’3 wingspan to his measurements

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t heard of him until a couple days ago, but I listed him for the reasons you mentioned—he’s already got first round buzz, NBA body, nice athleticism. I’m definitely in no position to judge whether his game is good enough for the 15th pick, but he definitely fits the physical profile. Plus we could add a French flag to Squad Six :)

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am betting he will keep moving up

He kind of reminds me of Serge Ibaka, raw but but powerful and explosive. I guess it will depend on how he performs in the team workouts.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know...

If the Bucks are not enamored with anyone available at the 15th pick, can they not swap with the Bulls and move back down to their original spot? What is the deadline for the Bucks to decide which pick they will use?

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Hadn't thought about it

I would imagine once the Bucks decide to swap picks they’re locked into doing so (just to give the Bulls certainty about where they’re picking), but I’m not sure when the decision would have to be made. The official transaction wire doesn’t say anything about it, but the right to swap also isn’t mentioned there either.

Either way, I can’t think of a compelling reason for the Bucks to stay at 17—if for no other reason than they’ll look stupid if they see zero value in being two spots higher. The first year slot for the 15th pick is only $141k higher than that of the 17th pick, so you’re not saving any real tangible amount of money from a tax perspective (it’s irrelevant for the cap since the Bucks are over it already). And if you don’t want a pick then you can always try to trade it, in which case you will always want a higher pick. If the Bucks didn’t have to officially take the swap by some preset time then I agree there’s no harm in waiting until the last second to exercise it, but in practicality I don’t see it being an issue. Were you thinking of some other scenario?

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

My only thought was if the Bucks really liked a player that might be a reach to take at 15th, they might just keep the 17th pick and take him there for a little less money out of Kohl’s pocket.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that’s more of an NFL-type move because of how big the salaries are. I don’t think it’s really worth it in the NBA—might as well just pick the guy you want rather than risk the team in front of you steals him. I really hadn’t thought about it, but I think you make a fair point.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

looking at prospects...

even with pick 15 , I think we have enough specific needs and glaring weaknesses, depth issues that we should really be able to get a contributor, I mean on this team if you play defense and can stick with your man reasonable well, you can earn some minutes……

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

We have plenty of hard working players in our frontcourt who are great role players.

It seems that the ideal situation is to bring players like Mbah a Moute, Delfino and Ilyasova off the bench as energy guys and for certain matchups. An upgrade at both forwards spots is in order. I hope that the Bucks can address at least one of them in the draft.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Just looking at free agents alot of teams are kidding themselves

once you get past the top 6 guys…….it falls away pretty steeply your looking at basically role playing guys who can fit into good teams but wont do much if your stuck in the cellar

LBJ,DWade

Bosch, Boozer, Amare, Joe Johnson

David Lee, Rudy Gay???? yikes

I assume at least 2-3 of the top six re sign with their team so its kinda fools gold

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think Bosh and Boozer are the most likely guy to be gone….Bosh needs to save himself from Toronto and Boozer can probably get more money to go to Miami, NYK or New Jersey. I think LeBron stays…he’s not going to get a better team if he goes elsewhere, and I have to think he’ll have at least some loyalty to his home fans.

JJ and Amare probably depend a bit on how their teams do in the playoffs. Sounds like a lot of Hawks fans are afraid of giving JJ another max deal given his age and the need to re-sign Horford, though they don’t have the cap room to sign an elite free agent if JJ leaves. So they’re kind of screwed either way.

Wade I have no idea…I think he’d probably stick around if the Heat can get Boozer or Amare. Would be interesting if D’Antoni could reunite JJ and Amare in New York.

I wouldn’t pay more than $8 million for Gay—he doesn’t pass, doesn’t play much defense and isn’t an elite scorer. You just can’t pay a guy like that elite money.

I think the Bulls and Nets would probably be best off forgetting about Wade/LeBron and focusing on a guy like Lee—he’s not max material, but he’d look great next to Noah and could probably work next to Lopez as well.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup thats pretty accurate I think

Wade stays and either they get Boozer or Amare you figure

I actually think the Hawks might take a step back but maybe eventually two forward if Joe Johnson walks…..right now they are stuck in neutral………….but where does their potential lie in Horford/Josh Smith combo right? Joe Johnson leaves it really becomes their team and it forces the coaches to run some different offense

I lean towards LBJ staying but I honestly cant read what he intends to do and what is really important to him……….if NY wasnt such a shambles Id lean towards them but they are way behind the Nets in terms of potential for me

Im interested in what Lee gets paid, he is a fine third guy, maybe even second but at the right price if a guy like Millsap get what 8 million I guess thats the range and I dont know

but I think Chicago with Rose/Noah are a team that can really help themselves if they work the offseason wisely but with Gar & his master in charge who knows….

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is why I like the position the Bucks have put themselves in

The big trade the Bucks make for our frontcourt upgrades may not come until mid season next year when the Bucks can dangle expiring contracts to teams who are having a disappointing season and need to dump talent.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed, I don’t want the Bucks bending over backwards to spend MLE dollars just so they can feel like they did something. That’s not what has made Hammond/Skiles successful.

by Frank Madden on May 3, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at a team like Utah, good system, good coach, support from management, couple top stars, good role players

and think there isnt any reason why we cant aim to develop along those lines and start looking at moving deeper into the play offs………..laid a pretty good foundation thanks to Hammonds…in a short time its pretty impressive once you sit down and see what he has done

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

This summer we will find out how important a player's fit to a system is to them

Both Salmons and Ridnour would be foolish to leave the Bucks considering the years they just had while playing in this system. But the question is will Salmons want to parlay his late season performance into a big paycheck and is Ridnour willing to accept a backup role at this point in his career after the season he had.

by Brick's house on May 3, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Ridnour

I’m afraid that Ridnour is going to be leaving. He’s a great back-up, but pay a back-up PG $5-6mil is kind of ridiculous when you have a staring PG who doesn’t make that much and their is a need for Jennings to improve and occupy more minutes for the Bucks. 2 years from now Ridnour will be useless according to the Bucks plans. I’ll be he’ll go to NYC or Miami, although I would love to see him come back to the Bucks. Their are cheaper sharp-shooting options out there like Eddie House for about $2mil plus he brings a championship rings worth of experience to the team.

by FearTheDeer on May 4, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

We definitely learned with Gadzuric that there’s no point in giving long-term dollars to a guy who won’t start. Besides, Ridnour had a fluke year and odds are he comes way back down to earth next year. You’d love to hang on to him but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a team with cap space overpays him.

by Frank Madden on May 5, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Id wouldnt mind either back but also its gotta be at the right price.......

I think the play offs were good and we saw this team is Bogut/Jennings…….everyone else fits around them whilst Id like Ridnour back, I think we can replace him and sometimes you find a gem and someone who offers something different……same with Salmons I see his value for this team but I wouldnt cry myself to sleep if we cant make it happen

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Gordon Hayward

I would love this kid. Long Lanky shooter, good defender, and exceptional rebounding threat. Someone they could have used this series.

Kirby Moore for Heisman

by bsu415 on May 3, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Hayward is Joe Alexander Jr.

I’m not the biggest college basketball fan, but I never heard of him before the tournament, much like no one heard of JA before the tourney he rocked in.

Haywards numbers dipped as the year went, and into the post season. If he can’t handle 30 games, how will he hold up over 80 games

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on May 4, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a huge fan of Hayward either, but...

unlike Alexander, he is a basketball player who was heavily recruited out of high school. He has skills and is not just a jumpy, hoppy guy like Alexander

by Brick's house on May 4, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what to make of the guy

On the one hand I just don’t know if he’s got the athleticism and physique to be a really good pro…but he’s got a good handle for his size, rebounds surprisingly well given his frame, and just seems like a guy who knows how to play. It’s weird how his three point shooting cratered as a sophomore—he was really good as a frosh and you’d think that needs to be a major part of his game as a pro. I like Mike Dunleavy (the younger) as a comp. Which I guess is kind of complimentary.

by Frank Madden on May 5, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the thing to note is with our environment & system now...unless the kid is a complete dud hello Joe Alexander

we should be able to get a contributor in whomever we pick up……obviously a big raw athletic guy might take a bit longer…but Im confident we’ll do okay……..I like those 2nd round gems as well

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 3, 2010 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

This Is A Huge Offseason

We should deal this pick and drop back this year, maybe get a swap next year or a protected first rounder. Maybe we could package it with Dan Gadzuric’s expiring for the scoring four we need. I think Redd is out of the picture for now until he opts in. With Salmons likely to opt out and price himself out of usefulness, the Bucks should move quickly to exploit rebuilding teams in spiral mode selling off assets. The Bucks need to get a go to guy.

by MadTown Hoops on May 4, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

It would be interesting.....

to see the Bucks to adapt a similar policy to Utah and San Antonio. They’re both small market teams who have found success in the draft and by finding guys who will work within the system. Not too mention the path they’ve taken when it comes to finding talent in the 2nd round. However, both these teams have higher payrolls than the Bucks.(http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm)
But alas, the drafting of Joe Alexander and the quick trade of Jodie Meeks might signal that this isn’t the path they’re taking, but on the other hand, Luc Richard was a 2nd round pick, and he turned out to be more valuable than their first rounder. But in the end, it doesn’t matter as long as a winning team is produced, something the Bucks have failed to do in the past.

"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?

by Jacob Grinyer on May 4, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Size and Offense

Everybody keeps talking about defense and rebounds. The Bucks biggest problems are size upfront and scoring on offense.

The Bucks with Bogut, rebound well and defend well. Now they just need a guy who can hold his own on defense but does damage on the offensive end.

by FearTheDeer on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Needs

Biggest problem this year was putting the ball in the hoop, so I hope they draft a scorer, especially if Salmons leaves but even if he doesn’t. Is LRMM a restricted FA this year? If so, getting him signed long-term has got to be the top off-season priority. Hoping Skiles lets he and Ersan play together a lot next year—-he hesitated all year long, but if you look at who our best guys were in game 7 it was those two. Would always love another bruiser, but not sure anyone will be there at 15 with more overall upside than Ersan at 4. Frustrated by his poor post offense, but the guy’s still developing—-expect more diverse and consistent offense from him next year and at least some offense from LRMM. The improvement of Jennings and those two plus a healthy Bogut is key to a better 2010-11. Player acquisition, given our salary constraints, will pretty much be trying to retain Salmons, Ridnour, Thomas or the equivalent plus add the draft guys and maybe 1 other role player, realistically. Adding a new stud 4 who can start right away through draft or FA not realistic. Not sold on Love being the solution…better than Ersan in some ways, but worse on D and jumper, might be as good as he’ll ever be. Thanks to all for a great year of posting and articles!

by istandan on May 5, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Im kinda liking the idea of pairing Bogut with a big athletic shot blocker/rebounder

thats suddenly a pretty intimidating front line, and heck there are enough chances on put backs, second hand looks & we could use a guy who can finish in the paint to help out Bogut….our strength is on defense already this could add to it…………I dont know if we can find a great scorer just like that…we can expect improvement from within hopefully, BJ, Bogut, plus hopefully guys like Prince, Ersan & Delfino can get a bit more consistent with their scoring output, if they keep Salmons, he can fill the void relatively well………….I liked Skiles answer about Salmons opting out….he is like why wouldnt he? It makes sense thats how contracts work……no delusions in this teams management I like it

by ILIKEBJ'S on May 5, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

An anti-Josh Smith

"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?

by Jacob Grinyer on May 5, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree about the athletic big

Whiteside is the perfect fit, draft wise.

by tommyr on May 5, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last few #15 picks

2009 Austin Daye
2008 Robin Lopez(Speights was picked 16)
2007 Rodney Stuckey
2006 Cedric Simmons
2005 Antoine Wright(Danny Granger picked 17)
2004 Al Jefferson
2003 Reece Gaines
2002 Bostjan Nachbar
2001 Steven Hunter
2000 Jason Collier

by Superelkman on May 8, 2010 10:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Picking at 15 is anything but a guarantee but if you draft smartly you definitely can get a solid player...

i wouldn’t mind a player of danny granger, al jeffersen, robin lopez, rodney stuckey, or speights caliber

by Superelkman on May 8, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some solid picks in there

And some crap, too…but at least we know there will probably be some real talent there.

by Frank Madden on May 8, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better then I expected

Oh, and Reece Gaines? I remember that guy. He played for the Bucks for like a year.

Four of those guys are genuine rotation players, the rest are roster filler.

….and one of them is dead. Can’t do much there…

"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?

by Jacob Grinyer on May 11, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I usually don't like the upside pick as they bust 95% of the time but what do you guys think of Daniel Orton...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Daniel-Orton-5272/

If he can be a bruising and solid backup C I’d take it… Kendrick Perkins wouldn’t be a bad player to add to this squad for rebounding and size…

by Superelkman on May 8, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

No idea what to make of him

I never really paid attention to him when I watched Kentucky, so it surprised me when he declared. But he was a top prospect in high school so it’s not like he’s some schmo off the street.

That said, if the Bucks are going to roll the dice on a long-term “potential” pick I’d prefer it be at a position where we don’t have a long-term piece. Then again, every year I say that and every year Bogut gets injured…

by Frank Madden on May 8, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should add Gordon Hayward to this list.

"There ain't nothing to do in Milwaukee"
--Josh Smith
OH RLY?

by Jacob Grinyer on May 11, 2010 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

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