Caponomics, Part I: The Summer of Salmons
The toughest part about a breakout season? Living up to the expectations that come with it. It's a good problem to have, but it also means the Bucks' front office doesn't have much time to enjoy a season that defied expectations and once again made the Bucks a relevant entity in the Wisconsin sports scene.
With John Salmons (assuming he opts out), Luke Ridnour, Kurt Thomas and Jerry Stackhouse all hitting free agency, John Hammond will need to re-sign or replace a major chunk of the rotation that propelled the Bucks to their surprising 46 win season. But the good news is that he has more flexibility now than a year ago, when he had little choice but to jettison Richard Jefferson and ultimately decided against re-signing both Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions. And with Mike Redd and Dan Gadzuric scheduled to come off the books a year from now, Hammond will also be sitting on a serious chunk of cap space in 2011.
This summer Hammond will have all the space he needs under the luxury tax to re-sign Salmons and Ridnour if he wants--and if he spends his money wisely he could also have the full MLE left over when he's done. But will the pressure of keeping together the 09/10 squad cause the Bucks to panic and overpay some of their key pieces? And how can the Bucks balance the need to compete next year with a sound long-term fiscal approach? After the jump we'll start things off by taking a look at the Bucks' current cap situation and how re-signing Salmons could affect the rest of this summer and beyond.
Job 1: What to do with Salmons
The Bucks' strategy in the draft, trades and free agency are obviously all interdependent, so it'd be easy to write a rambling 30-page essay on every different scenario that could unfold over the course of the summer (note: as you guys probably know at this point, I'm good at rambling). But for now let's make it simpler and start with the most pressing issue facing the Bucks: what to do with John Salmons. A month ago, the talk was that the Bucks were hoping to sign Salmons to an extension before he opted out of the $5.8 million he's owed in 2010/11. Makes sense: Salmons was the one Buck who could consistently create offense off the bounce, he's a willing and at times very good defender, and the Bucks' 22-8 record with him in the lineup is hard to ignore. On a team full of scrappy defenders, Salmons was really the one guy who could fill it up somewhat consistently, and finding an immediate replacement at a good price won't be easy.
Sure, people said similar things about RJ, Villanueva and Sessions, but the Bucks were a well-below average offensive team until Salmons showed up, and with him they improved defensively as well. And while it's true that wing scoring isn't the scarcest commodity in the NBA, the Bucks' ability to replace Salmons in the short term is a bit uncertain. The Bucks aren't going to find an immediate 18-20 ppg guy when they draft in the middle of the first round, and it's not like they can expect to get a proven free agent scorer (like Ray Allen) to sign for a bargain basement price either. Unfortunately, scoring is one thing that's almost always overpriced, but it's also something the Bucks could use more of.
Recent reports (from Gery Woelfel and others) have suggested the likelihood of an extension before June 30 are remote, but Charles Gardner reports the Bucks have indeed offered Salmons a three-year extension beyond the remaining year left on his current deal. Gardner writes that the extension is the max allowed given his current contract, which combined with next year's money could pay Salmons close to $27 million over four years. No word on whether the deal would include team options or only partial guarantees in the final years, either of which would make it look much better from a Bucks' perspective. Salmons has until the end of June to consider his options, so there's no reason for him to rush a decision.
So does it really make sense to sign an aging complementary player to a generous deal that will take him past his prime? And are the Bucks sacrificing significant flexibility in 2011 and beyond? Let's start by taking a look at the Bucks' current cap situation. For the time being I'll ignore all the trade options that are out there--we've got some discussions about Ramon Sessions, Kevin Love, and even a Chris Bosh S&T in the fanposts--and focus strictly on the current cap figures. If Salmons doesn't opt out of his 10/11 deal it looks like this:
One bit of good news is that the cap and tax have both been revised upward since the paranoia of last fall. We won't know the final numbers for sure until early July, but the league's most recent memo to teams projected the 10/11 cap at around $56.1 million, down $1.6 million from this season, with the tax falling to around $68 million, compared to just under $70 million this past season. Including Salmons' ETO year, Darnell Jackson's NG'ed minimum deal, and the salary of the 15th overall pick ($1.732 million), the Bucks would have eleven players under contract for $57.80 million. If they keep their second round picks and sign both to rookie minimum deals (@$474k), then that figure moves to 13 players and around $58.75 million committed. Note that both Luc Mbah a Moute and Jodie Meeks got slightly above-minimum deals in exchange for partially guaranteed third years in their rookie contracts, so odds are the Bucks may use that strategy again if they keep (and are excited about) their 2nd rounders.
For cap simplicity, let's assume the Bucks keep all three of their picks and have them on the roster next year. That would leave them two roster spots and $9 million to play with before they bumped up against the projected luxury tax, and they could always cut Jackson ($854k) to get a bit more breathing room. They would then have the MLE (worth perhaps $5.5-ish million) and bi-annual exception ($2.08 million) to spend on the rest of the roster, in addition to Bird rights they can use to sign Ridnour. That'd be a reasonable amount with which to fill out the roster, and the Bucks could also probably afford to up their offer to Salmons by a couple million if they were willing to pass on signing a full MLE free agent this offseason.
The Problem With Extensions
While it'd be nice for the Bucks to avoid a potential bidding war in free agency, a Salmons extension is somewhat limiting for both sides. The Bucks can only give Salmons raises equal to 10.5% of the final year of his current deal, so his salaries over the three years beginning in 2011/12 would be capped at $6.42 million, $7.03 million, and $7.64 million ($21 million in total). Those back-end years could look pretty ugly given Salmons will be 34 in the final year of the deal, but that's the tradeoff for getting Salmons at a relative discount next year.
Considering Salmons' age and the Bucks' cap space in 2011, the ideal scenario for the Bucks is probably not giving Salmons an escalating multi-year contract, or at the very least making the last year a team option or non-guaranteed. If you don't think the Bucks can use their cap room productively anyway, then Salmons' escalation is less of an issue. But either way he'll be tougher to trade a couple years from now if his salary continues to rise as his game declines.
To address that, the Bucks could try to sign Salmons to a front-loaded deal if he opts out this summer. After all, the Bucks aren't trying to extend Salmons for four years because they think he's going to be a great player when he's 33 or 34--the length of the deal is just the price you have to pay for making sure he's in a Bucks uniform next year. However, it's also very possible that one of the teams with significant cap space could make a run at Salmons if/when they strike out with bigger names like Dwyane Wade and Joe Johnson, which is the obvious reason why the Bucks would like to do a deal now.
But would Salmons take a generous one-year offer in the $8-9 million range rather than a longer deal that starts at a much lower value? Tough to say--it really depends on how optimistic he is about the market now and going forward, which is fairly uncertain given the possibility of a lockout in 2011. But that might be the best solution for the Bucks, who wouldn't have to worry about Salmons' game deteriorating two or three years from now and could instead focus on 2011 with more cap money at their disposal. Salmons obviously wants a long-term deal, but for the Bucks shorter is better.
2011 Cap Space: Fool's Gold or Real Opportunity?
As of now, the Bucks have less than $25 million committed to five players in 2011/12; add in the second year salary of the 2010 first rounder and it goes up to about $26.5 million. Ignoring a potential lockout, that leaves an absolute ton of money to spend on free agents--about $30 million even if the cap stays steady for another year, ignoring free agent cap holds.
Signing Salmons beyond 2011 obviously puts a dent into that figure, but realistically it's not like the Bucks were going to sign two max free agents anyway. Looking at the list of 2011 free agents, Carmelo Anthony, Tim Duncan and Tony Parker are the only potential superstar unrestricted free agents, and at this point I don't really see any of them as realistic targets (same goes for RFAs like Al Horford). Still, the Bucks could go after any number of quality complementary players, Carl Landry being perhaps the most intriguing of the unrestricted free agents. And perhaps more importantly, the Bucks could also use their cap space to facilitate trading for a bigger name. That's because the NBA's salary matching requirements on trades (125% of the outgoing salary + $100k) don't apply to teams with cap space. While there's no guarantee the Bucks could pilfer a star-caliber player from another team, at the very least they would have a much easier time doing it.
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Am I missing something?
In all of the discussion I’ve seen about off-season stuff, I don’t think I’ve seen anywhere how LRMM’s contract situation fits into the picture. Of course, he’s under contract this year, but we’d have to be nuts not to have him in our long-term plans, considering the system we play in. We have more dough to work with next offseason, but by then, Luc’s bargaining power will also likely be higher. Might not an extension this offseason be a good idea? We might be able so sew him up at a good price sooner rather than later. To me, it’s almost more important than resigning Salmons, although I do support the offer they made to him…
He's not eligible for an extension
Only players with contracts four seasons or longer can be extended, so since his original contract was for three years the Bucks will have to wait until next summer to re-sign him.
I’m not really sure what kind of deal he would command at this point—the fact that he’s still stuck between the 3 and 4 offensively helps in a weird way because most teams would probably be wary of giving him long-term starter money. Looking at his college and pro careers, he really hasn’t developed his offensive game very much at all, so we might have to accept that he is who he is. More consistency on his jump shot is the biggest thing and seems possible, but he put in a ton of time last summer working to improve and it didn’t happen. Hopefully it begins to pay off next year, but who knows.
If he’s going to be a 25 mpg guy the rest of his career then it’s harder to justify giving him MLE-type money; I think right now you might still be able to get away with paying him something in the $4 million per season range, but that’s just a guess.
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The money doesn't scare me
the amount of years does scare me. I like John, I really do, but I have to wonder as well if it is wise to throw money and years based on basically a fraction of a season.
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I’m really hoping his hesitation to sign the extension has something to do with team options or non-guaranteed years in the deal, but that’s just my speculation. The Bucks did that with Delfino and it certainly makes a big difference from a long-term flexibility standpoint.
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I love what Salmons did during the second half of the season,
but this is what he did in Chicago last year, and he bombed for them so badly in 09-10 that they traded him to us for Warrick and Alexander. Not that I question his skills or motivation, but I just don’t get the vibe from him that he’s going to repeat his 20+ point outings combined with 7-8 assists/rebounds/steals with good defense. Just a gut feeling I wish I didn’t have.
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I'm concerned too about his output for next season.
He was unbelievable for us this season, no doubt about it. However, when push came to shove and we absolutely needed his offense in the playoffs, he tanked. Hard. And according the the Journal Sentinel blamed it on being tired. Fatigue in the first round of the playoffs is an oxymoron.
His production will no doubt go down next season. But how far? I wouldn’t say he tanked in Chicago this year. 12.7 PPG wasn’t great by any means, but Chicago’s huge motivation for ridding themselves of Salmons was his player option for 10/11. His decline from the season before just made it much easier to swallow. If he signed the extension, he would be on the books fore 5.8 million next year. And assuming he declines exactly like he did in Chicago (a 5.6 PPG drop), a 14.3 PPG player for less than $6 million seems like a no brainer.
The good news is that what he did for us was basically the same stuff he did the entire previous season with Sacramento/Chicago. So it’s not a complete flash in the pan, and the fact that he couldn’t carry us against Atlanta doesn’t worry me too much. We’re not paying him to carry a Bogut-less offense…if he was that kind of player we’d be talking about a $10+ million deal.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of trying to get him back for just one season (two max) as a means of buying more time to find a long-term solution. I’m a bit worried about our ability to find a replacement this summer, but over the course of one or two seasons I think we have a much better chance of bringing in a longer term solution, drafting/developing a guy, or getting Jennings/Bogut to the point where they can handle more of the scoring load.
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
if we let salmons go...............
our options to replace say maybe not 19 ppg but even if he dropped to 14 15 ppg is are limited its either the draft, and that is always a crap shoot especially at pick 15
looking at other free agent options this summer in the mid bracket its not a pretty picture you are looking at guys like Rasual Butler basically a limited 3 pt threat, Mike Miller basically a limited scoring threat whose production has been declining although his shooting numbers are very good and he has been in two very poor situations, err err Kyle Korver again a limited shooter whose production is down but shooting numbers are good, Travis Outlaw who got shunted out of Portland because Batum made him expendable…………..
otherswise its a trade of some sorts or hello Charlie Bell again………
4 years isnt really ideal with Salmons, but I dont expect him to have to be as dominant in terms of ball possesion and scoring wise next year, hopefully, so if we just need an all round contributor I guess thats what we can hope for right? I just dont see it making any sense for him to sign a shorter deal…..he has some value after his finish this year and I cant see him improving his standing only having a chance to diminsh through lesser production and or injury so i really think he looks at the best option in terms of dollars and years
i hate travis outlaw... has very good athleticism but all he does is shoot mid range contested jumpers...
he could be a bargain if Skiles can get him to play tough D(probably pretty likely) and attack the rim more… ok i think i just convinced myself that he might be a good signing if the price is right and the incentive is there for outlaw…
i like Korver but he isn’t really the solution as a starter….
Miller would be OK if the price is right but not ideal…
slim pickings this offseason at that spot…
after hearing Hammonds budget I guess Outlaw would be a poor mans Josh Childress...
we were discussing Childress earlier in the season a guy like Outlaw who is getting around $2 million seems more realistic after hearing our spending prognosis…..seems like a value option with some upside and if it doesnt work out well we can use the Warrick case as an example of being able to move someone quickly on if their contract is good
Also, There's this when it comes to Outlaw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-09wKAE4jE
Yeah….
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OH RLY?
by Jacob Grinyer on May 11, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
of course Ray Allen is around somewhere.....
and he would seem the perfect short term option if here willing to sign and not courted by a mojor playoff contender or looked after by Boston
also............
If Salmons walks, and we draft a young sg it would make sense to look to me to maybe look for a player for a short term deal like Hammonds did with Warrick, bargain one year deal, not great but can at least contribute a bit, in Warricks case a dunk per every 2 games for the highlight reel I think it was in his contract…………..and look to upgrade at the trade deadline when once again some teams get desperate…….not ideal I suppose but workable
I'd actually like that idea
He could become a “mentor” to a young SG we pick up in the draft. Plus he started his career here, so why not end it where he started?
But at this point it’s simply a fantasy, like every free agent scenario.

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by Jacob Grinyer on May 9, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Ray Allen is an interesting scenario
The man started his career here, loved it, then got dumped at the end of the Big 3 era in Milwaukee. Things here are quite different now, and I can’t see Ray commanding much more than $10 million in the free agent market. It’ll be interesting to see what Boston does in an effort to hang on to Ray. He was a part of the title run, but unless they won it all this year, I don’t think Boston has much choice but to blow it up.
I think he's probably an MLE guy
He’s still a very useful player, but not worth spending a significant chunk of cap space on at 34. I could definitely see a contender offering him the MLE, though it’s probably the length of the deal that’s more important than anything. I’d be happy to have him for one year at the MLE, two years not as much.
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If we can do something with Charlie Bells contract this summer that will help alot
…..does burning it count?
Haha...sadly I don't think the league office would wipe him off our books
Btw, anyone else find it super annoying how Bell was subtly complaining about his inconsistent minutes after he missed the meeting and the final playoff game? We all know he can get a bit emotional, but damn dude, look at your performance on the court. He’s simply not good enough to command regular minutes at this point, and it’s not like talking to Hammond/Skiles about your role is going to change anything when no other team wants you. You’re a role player, deal with it.
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yes I think Bell has written his writing on the wall as far as Skiles and this team goes.....
completely fell out of the rotation when Salmons arrived, and while that isnt easy to deal with well thats basketball, and he is paid to be professional, If we can somehow involve him in a trade that would be quite a bit of cash we could use on someone undervalued and alot more effective and productive……………Hammonds did mention him on that clip, kinda a subtle reminder to Bell what this team is about playing your role and working hard………..anyway its definitely an area with Stack and Bell we need to badly upgrade
Its weird
but from what I’ve read, the perception of Bell among fans of other teams seems to be that he’s a quality player who plays solid defense, hustles a lot, and can score when needed. Sort of like a less irritating, basketball version of David Eckstein.
Do other GMs feel this way? Probably not, but who knows!
by richardhkirkando on May 10, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I sure hope they do....in essence he is a guy who played an expanded role on what has previously been average teams
Bell’s defense is sound enough, his offence is pretty sporadic……Ive seen worse guys and role players for sure and maybe thats how we can tempt some of those GM’s well we have worse…
"Sort of like a less irritating, basketball version of David Eckstein."
Best summation of Charlie Bell ever :)
It’s definitely funny how often opposing commentators on league pass will say something about Bell like “Look out, he’s a really good shooter who can score in bunches.” Um, not so much.
by Frank Madden on May 10, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think the Bucks would do an Andres Nocioni for Charlie Bell/Dan Gadzuric trade?
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Charlie Bell is a Pro and a Good Dude
Aside from two incidents of unprofessionality, the aforementioned case and his pouting after the Bucks matched Miami’s offer, Charlie Bell has been a rock for this team. He stays during the summer, comes out to Brewers games and Summerfest. He’s been solid for this team through some of it’s bleakest years, let’s not jump on him now. We’re not contenders and Charlie Bell is not holding us back.
by MadTown Hoops on May 11, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
no one is taking his contract at all... too much money for too little production...
Charlie can be useful but not at 3.5 million and not in any more than 15 minutes a game…
lets see Ray Allen is on $18 million wow serious didnt realise it was that much.....
at 35 years old with quite a few miles Id imagine he would be looking for a Sheed type deal to? or is that being to conservative Sheed got what $20 odd over 3 years….hmm so I guess thats kinda in the same deal as Salmons
I think Ray is going to command more than the MLE
Coming off an $18 million contract, and still putting up points easily…probably a “Sheed deal” is in the cards.
I thought it was really interesting that Journal posted that Bell was unhappy with his role, and about him missing the bus and such, then the next day reported that he was running in a 5K for charity. His agent must have saw the article and panicked, then called in a favor to the JS to get them to run the article on the same page, in almost the exact same spot.
I enviously look over at Utah and how they got perhaps the biggest bargain of the whole NBA season
Wesley Matthews……it shows there are guys outside the picture that can be really valuable contributors in the right environment and I think the Bucks and Utah are pretty close in many ways
I'd like to give a formal RIP to the original Bucks blog I followed three years ago...
It appears that the Bratwurst is no more.
Too bad.
I always liked Brett’s stuff but I think he just had too much stuff going on to keep up with it. Jeramey didn’t post as much but still added stuff from time to time…curious if they just accidentally let the hosting service lapse or something. Didn’t see anything on Jeramey’s twitter feed about it…
by Frank Madden on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
they should be contributors on here...
that way it lightens the workload for all and we get a bigger writer base… i love your and Alex’s material… im just saying if they want to keep writing it might be a good idea…
What about keeping Redd
Am I the only person who thinks the Bucks should not trade Redd? I feel like they should keep him on the sideline throughout the year and then sign him for a MUCH more reasonable deal to come off the bench as a potential scoring boost in 2011-2012. His value COULD be worth so much more than he’s going to get paid once he’s a FA. I feel like the only teams that are going to want his salary are the teams trying to dump salaries for rebuilding, but the only valuable asset to the Bucks is young players with amazing potential. Otherwise, there’s just not as much incentive to trade him and for other teams to take on his contract with the upcoming CBA anyway. Teams with young assets looking to rebuild are unlikely to trade away those very young assets that will help them with rebuilding. Just my thoughts.
I shouldn't say
I shouldn’t say, they should not trade Redd, but they should only trade him if a really good deal comes their way.
i have thought about this a little and the only way i would ever consider signing him is if we didn't get any valuable offers for him, he started attacking the basket alot more, started playing defense, and he would sign for a cheap deal...
i’m not sure any of those 4 will happen, let alone all of them…
I have two major concerns with making Michael part of the future
1) Baggage. Redd has a lot of it here…it’s not necessarily fair, but a large proportion of fans will always think of him as a good-but-not-great guy who shackled the team with his huge contract. I think it’d really hard for a guy like him to transition from being the man to accepting he wasn’t good enough and taking a back seat. It’s a lot easier to do that with a new team.
2) His physical well being. He’s been so injury prone the last few years that I just don’t think you can count on anything at this point. I think he probably plays again, but if he’s a lower efficiency bench scorer whose injuries even further limit his defensive effectiveness, then is that really something you want? How many times do you roll the dice on a guy?
by Frank Madden on May 10, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
personally nothing against Redd but I wouldnt want him back just for team dynamics......finally Bogut has realised his role and embraced being a leader....
I wouldnt want to mess with that dynamic Bogut & Jennings are developing, maybe Redd could adapt maybe he couldnt to a lesser role, but Id prefer not to test it out for both parties case especially since Redd has always needed the ball in his hands alot, but he was spot u shooter early in his career I guess……still Bogut has always been naturally deferential sometimes old habits can be easy to fall into
That’s because the NBA’s salary matching requirements on trades (125% of the outgoing salary + $100k) don’t apply to teams with cap space.
Can you elaboratre on this a litlle more. I didn’t realize this. I thought it applied to everyone regardless.
So then as an example could we trade a player for a draft choice with no incoming salary? Or what scenario could we?

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