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Bogut Vs. Bynum

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The NBA Finals is going on right now, (As if you haven't been reminded enough), and what Finals would be complete without the Lakers and Celtics battling it out in an epic clash of cliche teams?   ...Yeah, I hate it too, but it's been an entertaining series, to say the least.

One of the overused story-lines from this Finals, besides the whole "Historic rivalry"  thing, is  Andrew Bynum and his bum knee of doom.    Yeah, a good center who can never stay healthy.    Does this sound familiar?

So, as we struggle to find things to talk about when it comes to the Bucks,  I think I've found something worthy of our discussing. Andrew Bogut Vs. Andrew Bynum.  Which is the better center?

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  So, we know the facts. Our Andrew is 25.  Theirs is 22.  However, despite this, both of them were taken in the same draft.   And we of course know Awesome Aussie was the very first pick in the draft.  Bynum, meanwhile, slipped his way down to 10th, which probably had to do with the fact that he was only in high school.  Not only that, but he would be the youngest player ever to be drafted by an NBA team.  Mr. Bynum struggled to find playing time early, playing just 7 minutes in 46 games in his rookie season, but he continued to improve his scoring averages each year with the, ahem, help of a certain Hall of Famer.  Thanks Kareem, why couldn't you work with OUR young center? .

Meanwhile, Bogut was also a role playing center, but obviously got off to a better start to his career, but for the number 1 pick, he was somewhat a disappointment, until he broke out onto the scene this year.

This year, they both had  eerily similar stat lines. Bynumbogut_medium

As you can see, they basically had the same Player Efficiency rating.    Heck, they basically had the same everything.  However, the two stats that held the biggest difference:

Blocks: Only Dwight Howard had more blocks than Bogut this year, so Bogut has the edge hear, out-blocking Bynum 2.5 to 1.4 per game.

Field Goal percentage:  Both players made the same amount of Field Goals per game, however, Bynum took less attempts, leading in the FG perc. .570 to .520.

As you can see, if you went solely by the stats, you wouldn't see much of a difference.  So guess what we're going to do next? ...Look at more stats!

How did they fare against each other?

From their first meeting this season on December 16th:

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As you can see, Bogut got the better of Bynum that night, as the PER would show, but shot a mediocre 6 of 16 from the field.  Bynum was more efficient, but only took six shots.  I guess on a team with Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest, I guess there aren't enough shots to go around.

 

Round two. Ding ding!

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Besides the fact that this was an embarrassing game for the Bucks, and also notable for being the game that Sir Michael Redd was mercifully relieved of his duties,  Mr. Bogut got very much dominated by Bynum in this game, no contest.  Bynum even beat him at his own game, blocking 3 shots while Bogut got a zero. Zilch.  Nada.

Also, this has nothing to do with this article, but Kobe had a PER of zero in this game.  We win.

And since I know you guys loved it the first two times, We're going to look at-wait for it- More stats!  Shot location stats, to be specific.  Which also happens to be one of my favorite type of stats

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Note: If your not sure what some of these stats mean, Hoopdata provides some insight.

One of the surprising developments in Bogut's game this year was his shots withing 10 feet.  in fact, he by far led the league in attempts from that range.  Bynum took considerably less, but made them at a slightly higher rate.    Bynum was also slightly better finishing around the rim.  However, Bogut made a higher amount of these shots with out being assisted on.  Neither of them took many or made many shots from 10 to 23 feet, so those numbers are fairly irrelevant.

 

So, we've looked at all these stats to death, and what have we seen? They are just too similar to make a good judgment based solely on stats, but they provide insight. How Anti-Climactic, yes I know.  Bynum's youth means he could have a higher ceiling than Bogut.  He definitely has the better athleticism.  Although I've heard some people claim he has superior footwork around the basket to Bogut as well.  Whether that's true or not is for you to decide.

And so, there you have it, a product of boredom.  I had only made one FanPost before, so I decided to post something mildly relevant that didn't have to do with the draft.  So, I will leave you with a parting poll.

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WHEN HEALTHY, who is the better center?
Andrew Bogut
98 votes
Andrew Bynum
18 votes

116 votes | Poll has closed

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Now that was comprehensive

A couple years ago I would have said Bynum—he was just so efficient at a young age that I figured he was destined to be a real star. Since then he hasn’t really gotten better but injuries are part of the story and you wonder if/when he’s ever going to live up to all that promise. Any time you have a big man with chronic knee problems it’s a monster red flag—I’d certainly worry more about him than Bogut, who’s been hurt a lot but with fairly random injuries that don’t appear to be lingering.

But today I’ll go with Bogut, who aside from FT shooting has developed into a better all-around player and leader. Even if Bynum was healthy I doubt he could have done what Andrew did for us all in facets of the game this year.

by Frank Madden on Jun 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Bogut too

Maybe Bynum can become a better player than Bogut, but the difference would be marginal because Bogut is already very good so no point in giving up Bogut’s higher floor (if both of them have peaked, Bogut is not a lot but fairly better). I also think Bogut still has room to grow. Unless Bynum becomes a Tim Duncan type of player there’s not enough incentive there to do the swap, even disregarding the injuries situation. Not too worried about the age difference, it’s partially upset by the fact they’ve been playing in the pros the same amount of time.

Bogut is also easier to build around. Better intangibles. Bynum seems to me a complicated player, needs touches and scoring opportunities to stay focused on the game, otherwise he gives an uneven effort.

by Joana on Jun 14, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

very true Bynum seems to need an ego massage alot of the time to get it going and stay interested......

though the dynamics of being a big guy on the Lakers is always a bit complicated and yes the players and ego’s surrounding him in the locker room and the coach make it a fairly tough atmosphere for a young guy I imagine

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 14, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

One thing i was going to add but forgot was the leadership etc. Bynum has not needed to “step up” because of his surrounding players.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 14, 2010 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

"Healthy" when applied to Bynum is relative

Does the term apply to the pre-1/13/08 Bynum when he subluxated his kneecap against Memphis? Or does it apply to the pre-1/31/09 Bynum when he tore his MCL against Memphis? Because prior to that first injury in January 2008, he was a dominant center who could fake a 15-foot jumper, do a spin move, and dunk the ball with one or two dribbles, with the height of the ball at its apex equal to the top of the square on the glass. In the five games prior to the 2009 injury, he was averaging about 27ppg and 15rpg and shooting well over 60%. This season, he was noticeably less athletic than the previous two seasons, perhaps because he played with an undiagnosed torn meniscus all season that worsened on one play in the first round against OKC.

I would say that going forward, a healthy Bogut > a healthy Bynum, because I don’t know if Bynum will ever get back the athleticism he had prior to the 2009 torn MCL.

by The Dude Abides on Jun 20, 2010 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Good point.

I guess I was more or less concerned that people would simply go by his performance in the playoffs, because his injury significantly affected him. However, it remains to be seen what kind of impact the injury will have on the rest of his career, if any.

I just hope Bogut’s injury doesn’t bring him down a notch…

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 20, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bynum was on his way....

to becoming one of the best Centers in the game…. but his knee injury changed all that.

He’ll now be nothing more than average…. and will probably struggle to stay healthy.

As much as I dislike the Lakers, I hate to see this happen to any player – let alone a player with Bynums ability/potential.

by victor s on Jun 20, 2010 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I remember thinking at one point a couple years ago that Oden and Bynum would be the two dominant centers in the West until about 2020. I’ll have to get back to you on that…

by Frank Madden on Jun 21, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know its a gross understatement......

but it well be very interesting what kinda season Bogut throws out this year? Im quite hopeful of continuing growth once he works out the kinks of the end of season injury

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 21, 2010 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

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