Dynamic Duo: How far can Bogut and Jennings take the Bucks?
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If there's one certainty about the future of the Milwaukee Bucks, it would seem to be the long-term presence of Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings. Compared to where the Bucks were a couple years ago--or even a year ago when Jennings was still a struggling 19-year old backup in Italy--that's something to feel very good about. But relativity has a way of distorting the big picture. Are Bogut and Jennings good enough to build a title contender around? Or should Bucks fans continue to temper expectations until a "real" superstar turns up to save the day? Read on after the jump, vote below, and let us know your thoughts in the comments.
It's no secret that the Bucks as of right now still lack a championship-caliber "superstar," but it's your view of the future of Bogut and Jennings that probably has the biggest effect on how you want the Bucks to build going forward. That raises two interrelated questions:
1) How high is the current roster's ceiling, namely a squad built around the Bogut/Jennings pairing?
Your answer to the ceiling question probably depends mostly on how much you like Jennings' future and how optimistic you are about Bogut's ability to stay healthy. If you think Brandon's the second coming of Isiah Thomas, then you feel pretty good about the next decade of Bucks basketball regardless of whatever other paranoias you may suffer from. And you feel even better if you also expect Bogut to shake off his penchant for season-spoiling injuries and return to playing 75+ games per season going forward. I wouldn't bet the farm on either scenario, but both are distinct possibilities.
My reaction to the Bogut/Jennings core? Well, the fact that they've already been winners in Jennings' rookie year is a great start, but developing into a true contender will likely require more than just incremental improvement, particularly from Jennings. Winning 46 games with a young squad is nice but hardly guarantees long-term success--chemistry, coaching, and the ability to keep key pieces together are always shrouded in uncertainty. In fact, you could argue that contributions (on court and off court) from role players like Luke Ridnour, Carlos Delfino, (and to a lesser extent) Jerry Stackhouse and Kurt Thomas were just as important to the Bucks' success as Jennings' mature-but-still-extremely-inconsistent rookie performance. And I'd say the unsexy role players are often the major differentiators between the 30-win lottery teams and 45-win teams that create havoc in the playoffs.
That said, without a superstar you're likely going to need at least two and probably three guys with more modest (but still legit) star credentials--in addition to a killer supporting cast. As far as the dynamic young duo goes, the Bucks are actually doing OK in the grand scheme of things. The Bucks might not have a LeBron, Dwight, Wade or Durant, but only a handful of teams can claim to have more than one current or potential all-star under the age of 25. OKC boasts Durant/Westbrook (and a handful of lesser but still promising talents), the Bulls have Rose/Noah, Memphis has Gay/Gasol (and Mayo too), and Atlanta boasts Horford/Smith. The fact that none of those clubs has emerged as title contenders speaks to the challenge of winning it all with a young core, but we also shouldn't forget that all of those teams did pretty well on the court a year ago (and all but Memphis made the playoffs). Aside from the Durant-led Thunder, each team has broken through with a combination of its young duo and at least one major veteran presence (Luol Deng, Joe Johnson, Zach Randolph, and John Salmons), but there's still plenty of work for each to do going forward.
2) How should that impact the Bucks' strategy in the short-term and long-term?
So do the Bucks go full steam ahead with their assumed cornerstones at the point and pivot, doing whatever possible to add or retain complementary pieces such as Salmons, even if it means sacrificing long-term cap flexibility? With continued prudence and simply adding good role players can the Bucks become regular 50-game winners? Or is it all a bit futile until a real superstar comes down the pike through some combination of good fortune and good financial planning?
Unless Jennings takes huge steps to becoming a top five point guard, I'd argue the Bucks probably don't have much hope of contending with Bogut and Jennings as their top twosome. That's also implying Bogut doesn't take any more huge steps forward himself, but after his breakout season in 09/10 it's somewhat difficult to imagine him making another significant leap unless he suddenly gains a consistent mid-range jumper and the ability to make free throws at a good clip. To be honest, I'm OK with the healthy Bogut of 09/10 delivering me 16/10 and two or three blocks per game for the next five to eight years.
That dour assessment of the Bucks' title aspirations isn't meant to be depressing, even if the ultimate goal of all franchises is to win a title. Team always face the challenge of both dreaming big ("We want to bring a championship to Milwaukee!") and acting pragmatically and incrementally, and for most of the last decade the Bucks haven't had the luxury of worrying how they were going to find the missing piece for a championship. In a league where (unfortunately) only a handful of teams can claim to be legit contenders each year, that's just reality.
Those cynical about Jennings and Bogut would probably prefer the Bucks prioritize swinging for the fences in the draft and free agency, but we also know that there's no real playbook for acquiring a game-changing superstar. For that matter, let's not act as though only the pessimists think the Bucks should add a superstar--obviously that's something everyone wants. And while you can't fault the Bucks for thinking short-term with options like Salmons and Luke Ridnour--especially if they don't have to commit major dollars going forward--what about all that long-term financial flexibility we keep hearing about? If the Bucks can't sign a marquee free agent--and let's be honest, being in Milwaukee always adds some degree of difficulty no matter how good the team is--then is it really worth saving money for a rainy day?
I'd argue it still is, if only because it allows the Bucks to be more opportunistic trade partners and prevents the kind of "good enough" attitude that so often encourages teams to spend money just for the sake of spending it. That's how the Pistons ended up paying Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva almost $90 million, and that's how the Bucks ended up giving Michael Redd and Bobby Simmons contracts worth around $140 million (!) in 2005. It's almost funny to see those numbers on paper now, but at the time it wasn't that crazy. And while you can't always "save" your cap space for next season, not spending it all shouldn't be considered a mark of failure in free agency. Think back to the Clippers' pilfering of Marcus Camby from Denver for a mere conditional second round pick, simply because they had cap space after Elton Brand left them for Philadelphia in 2008.
Similarly, this summer there's plenty of talk about Andre Iguodala and Michael Beasley potentially being available for pennies on the dollar. Neither is a superstar (particularly Beasley), but both offer examples of major talent that could be acquired dirt cheap. And while the free agent crop a year from now isn't nearly as mouth-watering, the specter of a more rigid new CBA and the usual concerns about the luxury tax could once again have teams scrambling to cut payroll. So while the Bucks could add a nice piece via free agency in 2011, the real opportunity to upgrade likely will come by using all that cap space (or before next summer, Redd's expiring contract) to absorb contracts from teams in financial peril.
The more the Bucks commit to shorter-term fixes like Salmons and Ridnour this summer, the less flexibility they have a year from now. But the benefits of cap space are always hazy at best: it's simply a means to an uncertain end, not an end itself.
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Great piece Frank. What worries me is that we are the “Milwaukee” Bucks and that no big name would want to come here. That is a bit short-sighted for some of these FA’s to not even consider our team. Imagine Chris Bosh on this team, with Jennings and Bogut. Unfortunately, the FA’s don’t think in terms of “I want to go where I can win” ..This goes back to what I posted a month or so ago, that players are NOT player personnel types that are the wrong people to make that evaluation.
As for Jennings and Bogut, I am fine with them taking us farther. But we will have to surround them with the requisite number of “really good” players.
The question is....
Do you believe in short-term pain long-term gain or do you try for the quick fix. And can you build a team in today’s NBA the “old” way. I’d like to believe the answer to the 2nd question is yes so I hope with stick with drafting and cheap young FAs
Wanted another choice...
I would have liked to click on Cautiously Optimistic, Saying that we need a good-but-not-necessarily-great starter and need Hammond to continue his practice of acquiring high-value complementary and role players.
Great as always, Frank.
I feel with Bogut/Jennings and a mediocre supporting cast, the Bucks win 45-50 a year. But with a good draft and a savvy trade – this team could contend for the East title. Mainly because the east will be pretty wide open for a few years.
I also think Hammond & Skiles know that Milw is not a destination for marquee players, and will keep that in mind for any & all acquisitions – including the draft.
The 2004 Pistons showed that a team can win it all without a true “superstar” – and it looks like the Celtics are about to do the same this year.
What what what
KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen – all of them are most likely headed to the Hall. Rondo is all enyone has talked about this post season, and hell, even Rasheed Wallace is a big name.
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 14, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Duh!!
I’m aware these 3 are headed to the HOF – and they were all “superstars” at one time – but none of them have put up “superstar” type numbers in a few years.
And Rondo is becoming a star, but he’s not yet in the class of Wade, LBJ, or Kobe.
Yeah, I think if the Celtics win then it does provide some hope to the superstar-less teams—though I wouldn’t have said the same about the ‘08 squad. From a talent distribution standpoint they’re pretty similar now to the Pistons’ championship team. .
by Frank Madden on Jun 14, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It all depends on how Jennings develops.
He can end up staying where he is-a streaky shooter with above average passing ability- Or he can develop into something more.
I think Bogut, on the other hand, has reached his peak. I don’t see him developing into anything other than what he is. He’s a late bloomer. Or should I say, Boomer?
Also, off topic, but:
“We want him back in the worst way,” Hammond said of Ridnour. “We want him back for the player and the man that he is.”
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
Hammonds actually said those words? Seriously or is it a joke? What is this Jerry Maguire?
also I disagree about Bogut, plenty of stuff for him to improve on especially offensively, if injuries dont hold him back I see him being a legit consistently 18/10 guy with 2 blocks 2 assists and thats elite for a big guy in the league these days
Time will tell with Bogut, I suppose.
And all your questions and more will be answered here:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/96227624.html
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 14, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
cheers......hmm Hammonds interesting negotiating tactic
how would you describe that? at first I was like wooahh ridnours gent must dancing a jig…….but then you think Hammonds is wise like yoda in check shirt and with folksy wisdom….so Its like well yeh we love you Luke and want you back and cos your a stand up guy you will sign for half of what your making cos your with a team that likes you and in a good situation……so just sign up for 3 million and lets get it done
It's certaintly up front.
He’s not playing around— He’s making it clear that he want’s him back. Not sure how that will affect negotiating, but my guess is that, like you said, he’s letting him know he’s in a good situation where people want you there.
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Bogut has improved every year – but I think he’s just about to peak. I don’t ever see him being a 20/10 guy – nor does he have to be. I think the Bucks will take his 16/10/2 anyday.
Jennings, on the other hand is a bit of a mystery to me – will he be Kenny Anderson or Isiah Thomas? I’m going w/ Kenny Anderson…. and for all the great court vision he has, his assist numbers [not to mention fg%] need to come up if he’s ever to be considered an elite PG.
But to be fair, ya gotta give him atleast 3 or 4 more years to truly know what kind of player he’ll be. The kid IS only 20 years old, after all
One of the two
a) another All-Star level player + a very good supporting cast
b) a MVP contender or an All-NBA player
assuming Jennings develops into a player at Bogut’s level.
I didnt like the wording of the poll at all... the line between cynical and optimistic is very thin...
I am cynical on this one I guess… I don’t think they need major reinforcements… I just think they need a 3rd guy to make them legit contenders… with the two of them I am sure they will be a playoff-ish team for years but if we really want to be title contenders it would take a 3rd star into the mix….
This is kind of funny...
A week ago in that Ridnour article we wrote this:
For instance, if they re-signed Salmons and Ridnour for, say, $10 million combined, they would still have $6 million to spend on the final three roster spots. Two of those might be the second rounders for around $1 million combined, which would leave close to the full MLE to sign someone like Drew Gooden.
And in that article Hunt wrote this:
It’s hard to predict where the secondary free-agent market will settle after LeBron James and Dwyane Wade sign, but the Bucks could pay Salmons and Ridnour up to $10 million combined and still be able to sign a forward – guys like Drew Gooden are out there – with part of their $6 million mid-level cap exception.
I guess great minds think alike?
Wow
That’s a…Scary coincidence….
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 14, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's stealing your material
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 14, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless the Bucks are gonna trade draft picks for a SG/SF – I think this is a GREAT scenario.
Salmons & Ridnour at 10mil a year is worth the risk, IMO. And I’m guessing Gooden can be had for around 5mil a year
The question is how long the contracts need to be
I’m sure you could easily get Salmons/Luke for that price if you offered them five year deals, but obviously no one wants to do that. Can you get them on two year deals at that price? If yes then I’d be fairly pleased.
by Frank Madden on Jun 14, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions

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