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Sanders and Robinson kickoff busy week of workouts

Just 10 days remain until the NBA Draft and the Bucks are shifting into high gear with their individual workouts. Jim Paschke reports that the Bucks will bring in 42 players between today and next Tuesday, a big number that reflects the panoply of options that come with having a mid-first rounder and two second round picks. The best part is that the Bucks have been able to schedule most of the obvious candidates for the #15 pick, a far cry from two years ago when none of the lottery talent seemed interested in giving the Bucks a closer look. This week we expect Gordon Hayward and James Anderson (bad hammy and all) to be in town on Wednesday, Patrick Patterson on Tuesday [Edit: unfortunately he's no longer coming today], and Monday featured VCU PF/C Larry Sanders, UCONN combo forward Stanley Robinson, Mississippi St. shot-blocker Jarvis Varnado and UVA's Sylven Landesberg.

Sanders and to a lesser extent Robinson have both gotten some mid-first round buzz over the past month or so, but it's interesting to hear Billy McKinney more or less dismiss the possibility of the Bucks going for either guy at #15. Via Draft Central at Bucks.com:

On if Larry Sanders is in the mix at No. 15…
"I think that might be a little bit of a stretch, but anything is possible. This draft is a little bit crazy right now because we’re not sure how the top 15 is shaking out. Every week we go through mock drafts and we look at the mock drafts and different people are all over the board. We think that might be a little bit of a stretch (to have Sanders at 15) but we have him in anyway to look at him in the event that something might happen in the event that we might move back."

On if Stanley Robinson will crack the top 20…
"It’s possible. I would say one of the things about Stanley Robinson and that he would tell you that one of the things he has to improve is his shooting, his offense, so that might limit where he goes in the first round. He could be a late first round pick, he could go in the second round, it just depends on how the team that drafts him views him."

Star-divide

Assuming that we can take McKinney's comments at face value, that means the Bucks are either being really thorough with their workouts--I guess it's not completely out of the question that someone like Robinson or Sanders could slide all the way to #37--or there's a non-trivial chance they acquire a later first round pick. Picks 37 and 47 could certainly get them into the late first, but it's interesting to note that McKinney mentioned looking at Sanders in case they "move back" with their first rounder, not that they'd move up with their second rounder.

Sanders might never have the polish to be a post scorer, but his physical tools give him the profile of a useful 4/5 who can rebound and defend, especially if he continues to fill out his enormous frame (6'9.25" without shoes, nearly 7'6" wingspan, just 222 pounds). Robinson is more of an athletic tweener who you might optimistically say has a bit of Shawn Marion in him, but let's remember that Marion's success is fairly unique for a guy of his size.

Varnado made his name as a shot-blocking machine at Mississippi State,and you don't have to see much of him to know he's probably not going to be much more than a garbageman type at the next level. He has an impressive 7'3.5" wingspan and measured just over 6'8" without shoes, but at 210 pounds he looks light even for the PF position. Landesberg is a slightly built shooting guard who was ACC rookie of the year in 2009 at UVA, but his solid scoring numbers mask some fairly low effficiency (53% true shooting). DX has him pegged for the late second round at the moment, so he might be an option at 47.

Tuesday: Patterson, Warren, and Torrance

Tuesday should be interesting mainly because Patterson will be in town, but don't overlook the matchup of young combo guards Willie Warren and Mikhail Torrance. As we've discussed in the comments, Patterson's stock has been up and down since the season ended--Ford has him at #22 right now, DX at #11--which seems rather weird considering a) he's been well-known since he was O.J. Mayo's running mate in high school and played three years for a major college program b) he measured slightly better than expected in Chicago (6'8" without shoes, 7'1.25" wingspan) and c) everyone agrees he's a great interview who has been impressing teams with his maturity. There are valid concerns about his upside, but he was a productive collegian and seems fairly low-risk--especially if the Bucks had a chance to draft him at #15.

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anti Haywards hands up please!!

like: Patterson, Sanders, Torrance

I really like Torrance as a guy who will go in the 2nd round but be able to stick and end up a decent contributor in a season or two, can play a bit of both guards position, he can handle the ball and with his size is a decent compliment to what we have

Patterson is a value deal at 15……just think he will be a solid pro and bring it every day a bit like Battier….quality guy decent skills knows his role

moving down and taking Sanders isnt a bad move….if he is still there…..he is a stretch at 15 no doubt……

dislike: Hayward…..I just do :)

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 15, 2010 6:00 AM CDT reply actions  

This post barely mentioned Hayward, and you're already hatin'

I like Stanley Robinson. I would say a good comparison for him is Gerald Wallace. He will probably never be that good, but he has a huge motor, plays with a chip on his shoulder, gets to the hoop, and has good RB numbers for a 3. I would love to see him fall to 37. I doubt it will happen, but who knows.

It all depends on that first pick.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 15, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Skinny white guys in the NBA are there to be hated, I gues. ;)

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL...

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

Nice try Frank ;) I’m just president of the “I laugh when people overrate the white guys” fan club ;)

by tommyr on Jun 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last time the Bucks underestimated a white guy

It didn’t work out so well… Lol

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

Probably. I don’t know the details…

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Dallas was prepared to take Dirk with their own pick (#6) but knew no one else was going to take him before the Celtics (#10). So they managed to get the Bucks to take Nowitzki at #9 for them and got Dirk and Pat Garrity (Bucks’ #19). What’s often overlooked is that they then dealt Garrity, two warm bodies and a 1st to the Suns for Steve Nash—so basically they turned the #6 pick and a future 1st into both Dirk and Nash. If the Bucks hadn’t agreed to deal Dirk to Dallas then Nellie would have just picked him #6…he was never going to be a Buck.

by Frank Madden on Jun 16, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take your word for it.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw haywards name once that was enough :)

Im sure the kid will be averagely decent just see better prospects around

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 15, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not against the idea of moving back if they can pick up a 2nd first rounder

MN has 3 first rounders (4,16,23) and 2 second rounders

OKC has 2 first rounders (21,26) and 2 second rounders, I doubt they want to keep them all

Memphis has 3 first rounders (12,25,28), but a lot of guys won’t work out for Memphis right now.

Obviously, the Wolves is the best scenario, but it might not be that unlikely considering they are looking for wings like the Bucks so if they feel they like a guy and the Bucks are going to take him, they’d trade up. OKC definitely doesn’t want all of their picks and if they don’t trade them off, I’m sure they’ll be for sale. Memphis would take that trade in a heartbeat.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Minny

All the rumors are that they are going to take Johnson 4th, in which case I could see them trying to move up to take Aldrich if he drops. But they’d also be in a good position to take a chance on a long-term big like Whiteside or Seraphin. Damn, wish we had multiple firsts…

by Frank Madden on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Patterson today

Not sure what happened, but he’s not listed on the Bucks’ draft central today.

by Frank Madden on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

That's too bad.

Hopefully he just had something else going on and he’ll be back another day.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bucks should have enough info even if he doesn't come in

He’s been on everyone’s radar since high school, so he’s one of the most known quantities in the draft at this point. I’m pretty sure the Bucks used one of their 18 interview slots in Chicago with him as well, so while it’s always good to bring him in it’s not nearly as important as it might be with someone like Whiteside.

by Frank Madden on Jun 15, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

traded for cash considerations

-I think last year the Knicks traded for 29th pick (Toney Douglass) for cash considerations and a future 2nd rounder.
-Teams like OKC, Memphis, and MN have no need for that many young players. Their entire team consists of rookies, sophomores, and a few 3rd year guys. Then there are teams that have cap considerations so they just want to get rid of the guaranteed salary for a 1st round pick like maybe Houston or Orlando.
-Every pick 22-29 was traded last year.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 15, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am excited about the draft...

Should be interested to see what Hammond does with #15… I will be pretty excited about anyone except Hayward to be honest with you…

Even though Sanders would be a reach I think he will be a solid 4/5 for years… Robinson wouldn’t be a bad player to get but would be a reach so if we target him I hope we do move down and get some value out of the deal…

by Superelkman on Jun 15, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

im interested in the theory Sanders is a reach at 15 but ok in the 20's......

If its Sanders is a reach at 15 because there might be better guys on the board yeah Im ok with that…..but also you think he has a shot and will be a decent pro and your comfortable at 15 with him otherwise why bother at a few picks later? And by then if your correct he should be off the boards if other teams rate him……….I think I confused myself….does that make sense? Is it reasonable?

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 15, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sanders, Patterson

Ok so they way I see it is Sanders is likely ready defensively and not close offensively, Patterson more the reverse(criticisms are poor rebounder and occassional lack of effort on defense). Which guy do you think Skiles would want? Is a guy with defensive abilites like Sanders a reach at 15? If he’s close to Theo Ratliff you’re ecstatic. And I’ve said all I want to about Hayward.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 15, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

If we choose to go big

and Patterson and Sanders are still there if you want a solid guy at the 4 its Patterson, If your worried about getting Bogut some help as well I can see Sanders being a good bet…….you hope while he may not have much offense he can finish around the rim, clean up the O boards and get some garbage points, its his defence, shot blocking and ability to run the floor that I want…….a combo of Bogut, Sanders, Thomas & if we get desperate Gadz seems ok for me can always look for a value big like we discussed through FA

Hopefully you take Sanders you look at what Serge Ibeka managed At OK that kinda impat would be great I feel

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 15, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to be

The President of the Lets bring Larry Sanders to Milwaukee Committee.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 15, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

I expect a new committee logo by draft day!

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had any artistic talents whatsoever

I would design a logo based on the clip in the video where Sanders jumps way too soon but still stuffs the guy with his hand down around his waist.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 15, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trading Down

Makes sense in a deep draft, 21 and 26 from OC? You dont want another 2nd but maybe you could get 1 later pick and next years #1 from a different team. I think you’re going to see a lot of movement on Draft Day and the Bucks may be one of the players.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 15, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I like that draft pick for cash considerations and a 2nd rounder dealio

we grab Henry, Anderson or George at 15………get a later pick from OC in the mid twenties hope Sanders is around or another big you like……bang

hopefully two rotation guys at good deals for 3-4 years

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 15, 2010 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow

And McKinney said Sanders was a reach

by CanadaBucks on Jun 15, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can assure you I had nothing to do with this.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 15, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that guy really knows what he's talking about

Aldrich slipping to 21 (after Brackins)? Udoh over Cousins? Aminu slipping to 14? He keeps referencing guys’ bench press numbers from the combine which is one of the more worthless data points out there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiK9xfAhy98tP2lEl5rCqRi8vLYF?slug=ys-mockdraft061510

by Frank Madden on Jun 16, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Does he get paid to do this? He’s also using all these outdated team logos for some reason….

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy the Greek

I think it’s like what he did with NFL picks in the 70s, make outrageous predictions, if they come true you’re a genius, if they don’t everyone forgets. Like Jimmy picking the Jets in the late 70s to win the Super Bowl when they had Richard Todd, Gastineau, Johnny “Lam” Jones etc. If they had have wonI imagine he would have looked like quite the prognosticator. As much as I would be wary of white big men there’s no way Aldrich drops to 21.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

moving back...

I can just see Hammand and co player their poker faces, and as McKinney alluded to, moving back if maybe ‘certain’ players are taken earlier, or if some slide. Even after the lottery there’s still talent to be had. From what i’ve seen were more leaning towards looking at possible starting SF/PF guys with our first(leaning more PF) and then looking at back up roles for PG/SF and C with our seconds.

by spartakus on Jun 15, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Today's the big day!

That everyone will root for Hayward to fail…

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Today's workout

Sadly, I do think WI fans would love to see the Bucks drafting Gordon Hayward, Matt Bouldin, and Jon Scheyer or Brian Zoubek.

They have in Jamal Crawford and Luke Babbit for a 2nd workout? Thats some good indication of strong interest I’d say.

I’m happy to see them bringing in Darrington Hobson. His size and skill set could make him a very useful player.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

AHOY MATEYSSSSSSSS

http://www.hoopsnotes.com/2010/06/bucks-consider-trading-their-top-pick/

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Wouldn't surprise me

If the Bucks traded down and got an extra pick. They could pick up a guard AND forward in the first round.

by tommyr on Jun 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

very intruiging play if you can get two picks in the 20's but it is risky......

you may miss out on they guy you really want…….and someone desirable is going to be around at 15 thats a lock pretty much

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 16, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or

You got 2 chances to get a good one.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That works well if a bunch of guys 15-30 seem to be similarly talented. I guess we’ll find out a week from now how the Bucks look at it.

by Frank Madden on Jun 16, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

financially wise its a decent move I suppose, finacially wise its a smart move to build through the draft

Oklahoma City is the obvious one for that I think they have one of the cheapest payrolls right? because Presti has built it pretty much through draft picks Collison is the only long term guy from Seattle days…and he is a good team guy who does the dirty work, rebounding and taking charges etc

Im not against this type of move for the Bucks this season

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 16, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

having hedged my bets...its smart to keep all options open.....

and this draft seems packed with decent talent throughout the first round, nothing outrageous but should be enough to go around

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 16, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

And shoots 3s too!

Well NCAA 3s anyway.. My New Mantra Say Yes to Sanders No to Hayward

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

If Sanders was white you'd probably say no to him ;)

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless

He was Rick Barry, Larry Bird, John Stockton or Steve Nash my apologies to any of my felllow caucasians that I might have missed.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless you include Jeff Hornacek in that group

I’m considering you to be a racist.
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touches face

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 17, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Mullin, Bob Cousy, Dave Cowens, John Havlicek, Kevin McHale and Chris Kaman

Accept your apology. (What’s with Boston and white guys…?)

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Boston

I recall in the late 70s early 80s people saying that the Celts were kind of racist, the talk being that the 12th guy on the Celtics would always be white no matter how talented he was.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Even though you’d think that would hurt them, they still got a lot of good players. Of course, this is speaking solely in basketball terms.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 16, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boston has a long history of issues around race relations

Having lived there for 10 years, I can tell you it applies to both sports and the city in general. You might remember KG reportedly wasn’t hesitant to move to Boston for that reason.

by Frank Madden on Jun 17, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sanders or Robinson would be a reach at 15 – especially Robinson.

by victor s on Jun 16, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Robinson

I’m not sure he’s what we need anyway.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually….. Robinson COULD be a great pick for the Bucks if they picked him up later in the first round, or early second.

He’s crazy athletic and has shut-down potential on D – but not a great shooter, and had some drama at UConn.

Personally, I’d rather have Damion James – but people have said that Robinson could develop into a Gerald Wallace-type player.

by victor s on Jun 16, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Or a Joe Alexander-type player

I’d prefer James simply because he’s been so much more productive, but it does seem like Robinson will be around longer as well.

by Frank Madden on Jun 17, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Robinson as well, just not at 15

he has extreme athletecism, I see him and think kind of a Gerald Wallace type (good rebounding from the wing, finishes at the rim, crazy D, a bit of a thug [and I like that]).

The drama at UConn makes him a better person. Coach Calhoun got him a job in a steel mill while he wasn’t in school. Not only does that help toughen a guy up, it gives him an appreciation for what he’s about to get.

If the Bucks trad back, I would not mind getting him on our team with him in the D League for a year.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 17, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is ANYONE on board with my Cortney Lee trade proposal???

the 15th & 47th for Lee

by victor s on Jun 16, 2010 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Same

I still think 4 is a greater need than 2

by CanadaBucks on Jun 16, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee is a useful player

And there’s a good chance the guy we could get at 15 is never as good as him. But I also don’t see Lee blossoming into a star, which isn’t likely with a 15th pick but at least it’s possible. I’m probably getting too caught up in upside or whatever, but that trade just doesn’t really excite me.

by Frank Madden on Jun 16, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree….. At WORST the Bucks have Luc & Ersan at the 4 – and at WORST the Bucks have Charlie Bell at the 2. Thas right…. Charlie Bell.

If Salmons leaves, the Bucks have to get someone to replace him – and that will still leave Bell as the backup, as it stands now.

I do agree that an upgrade at the 4 would be nice, but if the Bucks crap out in the draft this year, it could really hurt the future of this team – and that’s why I’d make this trade more than anything…… it’d give them some roster stability for years to come. The draft is a big crap shoot, after all.

Unless you’re talking a top 5 pick, I’m all for trading a first rounder for a proven player that’s still young and could really be developed w/ a coach like Skiles – and also fills a position of need.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

To play Devil's Advocate

At PF the best case scenario is the same as the worst but the best case for SG is a healthy Michael Redd, John Salmons, Charlie Bell and Luke Ridnour in the small sets. IMHO to build a next-level team we need lock down D in the paint which would require more of a prototype PF and some relief for Bogut. I’m thinking Larry Sanders might be both of those in one and that’s why I’m advocating for him. I do think we will need an upgrade at the 2, just dont think it’s our first priority. As for Courtney Lee my reasoning is the same as Frank, maybe you can get another Steve Nash type impact at 15.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that the 4 spot is best AND worst w/ Luc & Ersan – but I can live w/ that, especially since Ersan will get more of a chance to show what he can do this year.

Here’s my issues w/ your point -

Redd? – even if he isn’t traded before camp, do you REALLY want him to be your SG? – 2 blown knees, he’s old, no D, ballhog, – and after he went down last year, it was obvious that he’s just not in the mix anymore.

Slamons – not gonna debate until we know if he’s back or not

Ridnour – played the 2 at times mainly out of neccessity, do you want a 6’2" PG as your SG??

Bell – I won’t justify that w/ a response, other than he’s stealing from the team and should be in the D league

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll rephrase my argument by saying this....

I believe this team has a lot more options at 2 than at 4 and 4/5. Do I want Bell starting at SG…absolutely not. Do I want an Ersan/Gadz combo at 4/5 if Bogut goes down or when he needs a rest? No. I think the situation at 2 is easier to remedy than 4 that is why i am pushing for Sanders/Patterson etc. I think Salmons is back if we want after all we can pay him more than anyone else, and I am not advocating that by the way.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Patterson will not be available at 15, and unless Sanders REALLY wows the Bucks, they won’t take him at 15.

If they stay put at 15 – SG/SF will be the pick.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

I’m just saying this is what I wuld do if I were making the pick.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear ya…..

And it’s sure fun to play GM : )

And I’d also be very happy w/ Patterson or Sanders – or pretty much any of the guys the are being mentioned to the Bucks, EXCEPT – Whiteside, Hayward, or Bradley.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I would

Say ditto on all three plus Aldrich

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda agree w/ you, but I’m a lil more confident in Aldrich becoming a decent pro than Hayward, Whiteside, or Bradley.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need

I’m saying more out of position need, and I likely would include Orton based on a couple reasons

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep – I wouldn’t touch Orton in the 1st round – didn’t he avg 3ppg & 3rpg in College???

How is he being mentioned as a 1st rounder when guys like J Jordan & A Parakowski[?] are being tagged as 2nd rounders????

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand some will say Ortons game/size translates better to the NBA, but c’mon!!!

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It likely wont matter

I think the Raps will take either Aldrich or Orton.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point – and I say if Houston stays at 14, they’ll take a center, too.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

It’s his upside but I wouldn’t touch him at 15.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Lee battle with injuries last season too?

I agree that SG is the biggest need.

Maybe, the Bucks should entertain a trade like 15th and 47th for Courtney Lee and 31st. I also think teams like Memphis will be offering packages like Ronnie Brewer and 25th or 28th to move up. OKC sounds like they are banking on getting Daniel Orton and moving up to 15 may get it done. The Blazers want to move up pretty bad too, not sure what they have to offer tho. I know Houston will probably want to move down or out to free cap space.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 17, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love that idea – 15 & 47 for Lee and 31.

That would allow the Bucks to package 31, 37, & 47 to move back into the mid-first round, if they wanted to

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hypothetically… since most players numbers improve in the first few years – one could argue that on the right team, Lee could be a 16-18ppg scorer. He’s only been in the league 2 years – and was on NJ last year, so there ya go.

I’d make the trade just based on the fact that you NEVER know what you’re truly getting with a rookie. Can anyone guarantee that George, X Henry, or Anderson will be better than Lee??? No.

Just sayin…..

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 AM CDT reply actions  

And i think NJ would do it in a second – they could trade 3 & 15 for #2 and draft Evan Turner to go w/ D Harris & B Lopez – Heck, they might even throw in the first pick of the 2nd round to make it happen!

I’d think Philly would move down a slot to pick up #15

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions  

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Managers

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Editors

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Authors

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