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McKinney: Bucks not making any first round promises

Draft preparations continued today with the Bucks putting Texas forward Damion James, Minnesota swingman Quincy Pondexter, and West Virginia forward Devin Ebanks through a workout at the Cousins Center. And while the post-workout conversation is usually fairly canned, Billy McKinney threw us a bit of a curveball by beginning his press conference with a denial that the Bucks had made a first round promise to an unnamed player. Via Bucks.com:

"Speaking of the draft, before I comment on our workout today, yesterday we received a phone call from a couple of agents and a couple of teams saying that we had promised a player that we’re going to draft him at 15. One of the first things I wanted to do today was to address that just to say that we haven’t made any promises to anybody about us taking them at 15.

"Last year, when we had the 10th pick, there was a lot of uncertainty about the pick. We did not make a guarantee to anybody at 10 last year and certainly with the complexity of the draft this year, we haven’t made a promise to anybody at 15. So I wanted to, in case any of you became aware of that, I wanted you to know that up front. We had several calls from agents and a couple teams as well and we thought it was important that we address it not only with them but we address it publicly, so I wanted to take the opportunity to do so today."

Who might the rumor have been about? Well, yesterday Ronald Tillery of the Memphis Commercial-Appeal alluded to VCU big man Larry Sanders possibly having a promise from the Bucks after he pulled out of his workout with the Grizz (12th).  Steve Kyler adds a bit of color to the story at Hoops World, noting that the Hornets and Raptors could also be in the mix for Sanders' services.

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VCU's Larry Sanders was the latest prospect to cancel a workout with the Memphis Grizzlies after what some have labeled an "impressive" showing for the Milwaukee Bucks.

Bucks' head coach Scott Skiles took Sanders to dinner after the workout and really had nothing but positive things to say about him.

Word is Sanders has started shutting down workouts, leading many to believe Sanders got a commitment from the Bucks at #15. Sources close to Sanders deny that a hard promise was made, but they are feeling good he goes no lower than #15 to the Bucks.

You'd expect a player with a promise to keep working out for teams picking earlier, but no one seems interested in working out for the Grizzlies and the Bucks would also seem to offer a better opportunity for immediate playing time. So maybe there's something to that, though it doesn't seem like a smoking gun either--Sanders could also have looked at the Grizz roster and figured he wouldn't be a likely pick with Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph and Hasheem Thabeet already on the roster.

Reports of a Sanders promise also contradict McKinney's comments after Sanders' workout on Tuesday, where he sounded skeptical of Sanders' value at #15.

"I think that might be a little bit of a stretch, but anything is possible. This draft is a little bit crazy right now because we're not sure how the top 15 is shaking out. Every week we go through mock drafts and we look at the mock drafts and different people are all over the board. We think that might be a little bit of a stretch (to have Sanders at 15) but we have him in anyway to look at him in the event that something might happen in the event that we might move back."

Just a smokescreen? It's quite possible--you certainly wouldn't want to advertise that you're in love with a player, lest other interested teams try to trade up ahead of you to get him. But even if you are very interested in a player, I'm not sure the Bucks have much to gain by making Sanders a real promise. As McKinney mentioned, there's so much uncertainty in the draft that it's difficult to tell who will even be available at #15. So unless the Bucks see no chance of a better player dropping--whether it's Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich or Ed Davis--there's not a great reason to back yourself into picking someone who seems likely to be there.

As for Sanders as a prospect, I've always found him intriguing and a potentially excellent fit for the current roster because of his tremendous length (7'6" wingspan), defensive potential and ability to both play as a 4 next to Andrew Bogut and get spot minutes at the 5 while he gets stronger (he weighed just 222 lbs at the combine).  Still, at 21 years old he's a work in progress on both ends and it's not clear he has the skill level to be more than a solid rotation big man. Does he have the basketball IQ and instincts to immediately fit into Skiles' rotation?  All indications are that the Bucks want someone who can immediately compete for playing time, and it seems like other guys are probably more ready to contribute than Sanders.

Moreover, the Bucks aren't done with their own workouts and the rumor mill suggests they like a number of other guys who might be around at #15. Gery Woelfel mentioned on WSSP today that Xavier Henry and Hassan Whiteside are expected to be in on Monday, and when asked which guys the Bucks are focusing on he didn't mention Sanders. Instead he named Gordon Hayward (who's long been linked with the Bucks), Luke Babbitt (not surprising given he's worked out twice already), and someone named "Damion Jones." At least that's what it sounded like he said, though I'm not sure if he's referring to Damion James or Dominique Jones. Go figure.

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I don't want to get my hopes up

But I can’t really see Skiles taking the guy out to dinner unless there was some interest. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they said to him “If you’re there at 15 you’ll be a Buck.” Would be like building an early rapport witht he guy.

Here’s hoping

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

They could certainly use a player like him – provided he pans out.

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

I don’t much about the dude – and I’m a lil skeptical of guys from small schools – but Hammond/Skiles know a lot more than me.

To use a baseball analogy…..so far Hammond has struck out in the first round w/ Alexander, and hit a triple w/ BJ – I’d be happy w/ a single or double this year …. or even a BB : )

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I still like a SG....because of Salmons situation

and I feel Henry Anderson or George will allow a big chance at locking up a great young tandem in the back court or with George at small forward…….

still though yeah if they think Sanders will be a good fit go fit at 15….and try and work something to get a decent sg prospect either by getting into the late first round or targeting someone you think is a decent prospect in the second round

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 17, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I like

Dominique Jones in that regard….Can take it to the hoop, gets to the line, a good ball handler as is not a chucker. Might be a little small though.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 17, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jones has good length

Bigger wingspan (6’9.25") than Anderson and Hayward…maybe not prototype size but he probably plays bigger than his height (6’3.25" w/o shoes, 6’5" with).

by Frank Madden on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer....

them to take a SG, too – but if they land a big man in the first, they have the ammo to move back into the mid-late first round to get their SG.

And I think Jones & Jordan are both 6’ 4"…… and marcus thorton & eric gordon are both 6’4" : )

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

crawford....

I meant to say Jordan Crawford is 6’ 4"

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Your agreement is appreciated.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just goes to show that most mock drafts are worthless. Fun – but worthless : )

by victor s on Jun 17, 2010 11:25 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW Givony does actually talk to teams

That’s why I like DX and Ford—their mocks aren’t just their own speculation. Doesn’t mean they’re right all the time, but they’re certainly more plugged in than we are.

I’m curious if Anderson’s injury is hurting his stock…it’s silly for a hammy to impact teams’ view of him, but teams wanting to compare him to guys like Hayward, Babbitt, James, etc aren’t getting the chance. And he’s been trying to play through the injury which isn’t necessarily the most helpful thing.

by Frank Madden on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

DX also have has Milw taking Haywayd over George at 15 and the Bulls taking George at 17.

ummm…yeah…. DX no longer has any credibility, IMO.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be totally shocked if that happened, disappointed yes but not shocked.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could definitely see us taking Hayward over George

I wouldn’t like it but everyone seems to think the Bucks love Hayward.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

NO!!!!!

I WOULD be shocked if this happened – especially since they keep talking about the need to get more “athletic”

If George is there at 15, I can’t see them passing on him, regardless of who else is available.

I have A LOT of faith in Hammond, but let’s not forget that he struck out BIG with the JA pick in 2008 – let’s hope he doesn’t do it again.

George is one of the few players who has all-star/all-NBA type potential AND could be there at 15. You usually don’t get a difference maker in the mid first round, and I’d be shocked if Milw passed on him for the great white hope that is Hayward..

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

But

George turns the ball over a ton and doesn’t get to the line very much for such an athletic player.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easily correctable w/ good coaching & experience. He’s only 20 years old.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just trying to point out some of the reasons he may be dropping. Along with the fact that he played on a bad team in a weak conference and he seemed to settle for jumpers rather than using his physical traits to take it to the hole.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points...

but I think his “upside” [im starting to hate that word] and his combine, workouts, and interviews have propelled him into the lottery somewhere.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a big man is probably...

better value at 15 than a wing…we can get our wings with #37 and #47. Personally I’d love Sanders or Whiteside at 17 and then Lazar Hayward at #37 and Mikhail Torrence at #47.

And I also I think at the end of the day we will resign Salmons and Ridnour…the team was simply too tight for Salmons to not bring his asking price down for a “home town discount.” I still think he’ll make more than he did this year but I don’t think he will want to price himself out of Milwaukee to one of the really bad teams like the Nyets….I could be wrong, totally a gut feeling

"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling

by Dow Jones on Jun 18, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Your Picks

Kinda hard to earmark guys in later rounds though, I do like Torrence and Hayward might be a good pick for the obvious reasons, as well as needing a 3 pt shooter. I might think about a “project” big at 47 though.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like all your picks except for Whiteside – too high a risk as a player & person.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s no way he falls to #30. Are you kidding me?!!!

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

if he falls to 30 someone will be very happy

yeah have to think that maybe the follow the buzz around a player when doing mocks and Andersons is muted because of the injury, and also because of that maybe some teams are being coy and talking him down in the hope he does drop and they can grab him

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 18, 2010 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

Ford still has him at #17 :)

Kind of reminds me how Ford had Patterson slipping to #22 a couple mocks ago. Doesn’t seem to pass the smell test, but I’m sure Ford/Givony know it.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scouting Report

I hope this works here’s a scouting report on Anderson

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

On Larry Sanders

One could understand the premise that, because they don’t pick until 15, AND because there are so many mysteries in this draft, that repeating 2009 and taking a flyer on a gifted physical talent (Sanders) might be the prudent move. The fact that Skiles took him to dinner is “odd” and quite possibly, “revealing.”

by tommyr on Jun 18, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Revealing as in

Sanders is actually one of his eight illegitimate children?

DUN DUN DUNNNNN

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe it

Not that Skiles might have an illegitimate child but that there’s a website for that. I guesss people care, not sure why though, don’t get enough of this crap on reality TV?

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not really a whole website

Just a page ON a website.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Curve ball????

For all the unknowns and different directions the Bucks can go in this draft, it seems a good bet that they won’t be drafting a center or point guard at 15 – it seems a lock that they draft a SG/SF/PF.

BUT…. does anyone see the Bucks throwing a curve ball, and selecting a C or PG???

I’d say no, especially Center – unless Aldrich falls, and I stll don’t know if they’d take him – but what if Bledsoe or Armon Johnson or Baradley absolutely wowed Skiles/Hammond – kinda like BJ did last year.

It seems they will truly take the BPA….. and at 15, there’s a lil chance it could be a PG….does anyone think that MIGHT happen???

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I too, find the notion of eating dinner with Scott Skiles quite amusing. I picture him drawing inbounds plays on his napkin with a sharpie for two hours, and the draft prospect too terrified to even take a bite of his food.

Quick tidbit on Sanders, last year the Bucks got really interested in Erik Maynor, and he was in the mix of guys the Bucks were scouting pretty heavily. One thing I have seen a lot (especially in the NFL draft) is that scouts spend time pouring over film and practices of one guy (in this case Maynor) and then actually fall in love with a younger teammate (Sanders).

I doubt a promise was made, because it would serve the Bucks no purpose (unless they seriously love the kid and wanted to keep him from working out with Memphis and Toronto). But I have a hard time believing that an agent would agree to that (potentially costing them money) unless they were really comfortable with a certain fit.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jun 18, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyways, I have never been this open minded about so many potential first rounders. If the Bucks landed Hayward, George, Bradley, Patterson, Davis, Udoh, Henry, etc I would be excited. Not because I think this year’s draft is super deep, but because I have that much trust in Skiles and Hammond. Whoever they select, be it Sanders, Serraphin, etc.. I am going to talk myself in to giving the kid a chance. Even with the second rounders. And that is despite the Jodie Meeks experiment…

by REO Sheedwagon on Jun 18, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Jodie Meeks

Did he really get a chance? I think some of the early reports on him got people excited and were expecting this lights-out shooter from day one. Look at his last 3 games in Philly, 25 minutes got him 15 ppg on 50% shooting, including 10-20 on 3s.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was dissapointed when they traded Meeks

But Salmons turned out to be worth it, at least in the short term.

That being said, if Meeks turns into Ray Allen it will not have been worth it.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did the two trades have anything to do with each other though?

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh wait, never mind

Ugh. My memory failed me.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our #37 pick...

Is a result of the Meeks trade….so if that turns into Lazar Hayward or Willie Warren then its essentially a deal of Meeks for one of those guys…we shall see

"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling

by Dow Jones on Jun 18, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, basically the Bucks just hit the reset button. Maybe they were expecting too much of Meeks as a rookie, but #37 let’s them have another shot at getting a hidden gem. It’s also a more useful trade asset leading up to the draft.

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meeks got plenty of chances the first half of the season. His job was to knock down open shots, something he did very poorly. I wish him the best. I am happy we got out from the second year of that contract though, because there is no value for a shooting specialist that can’t shoot.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jun 18, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Because I enjoy debating I’ll point out that Meeks and Korver had very similar rookie years.

Korver 12 mpg, 35% fg, 4.5 ppg.

Meeks 12 mpg, 39% fg, 4.7 ppg

I just don’t understand why they gave up after 1/2 a season, did they really want Ivey so much that they traded Meeks?

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

They did pick up a high 2nd rounder in the deal – but I agree, I think they gave up on him WAY too early.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the first couple years of Hammond’s drafts, it’s that the Bucks don’t have a lot of patience with young players. Two picks contributed immediately and have flourished, two picks struggled early and were dumped without a second thought. And in Alexander’s case, it was unprecedented for a guy picked so high to not have his first option picked up. Whether that’s a good thing or bad thing is unclear so far…but you can’t call the Bucks indecisive.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Korver also shot 39% on threes as a rook

So he was already showing he had the ability to be a three point specialist. Meeks only shot 31.8% this year, but it’s also worth noting he was much better after the trade: 38% threes, 56.6% TS, 15.8 PER in 19 games.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling there was a little more to it but still I don’t think he ever would have been a major piece.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless….. atleast Hammond has shown he will quickly remedy his mistakes.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

CanadaBucks,

Niether one of us knows how this will play out, we will have to wait and see.

Word out of the Bucks was that they wanted to get out from the commitment of the second guarenteed year of Meeks’ contract (something they gave him) and doing so while getting a high second rounder was too good to pass up. So no, they didn’t actually want Prezec and Ivey, they wanted to dump the second year to Meeks and get that high second rounder (which to some teams is more valuable than a late first, because second round deals are typically non guarenteed).

Sure Meeks could become a good specialist. But like I said, when he was asked to do one thing (hit open shots) he did so very poorly (under 40%).

Only the future will tell if letting Meeks go was a mistake, I can’t say this keeps me up at night worried.

by REO Sheedwagon on Jun 18, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

True

It’s not all that important in the Bucks drive for success. The 2nd year guarantee thing makes sense and tbh I don’t think he’ll ever be a real impact player, I was just saying I don’t think he got a real fair shake

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI no workout today because Orton canceled

Been talk of him getting a promise from OKC at 13…he says he’s canceling for other reasons, but you decide…

Haven’t really thought Orton was a serious possibility at 13, but I can’t blame the Bucks for wanting to get a better look at him. He’s obviously not someone that scouts got to see a lot of last year.

by Frank Madden on Jun 18, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Orton at 13? wow

I know Presti takes whom he wants regardless of reputation and to fit into the team structure but so far Harden at 4 looks a stretch and he hasnt taken a hit for that pick as Durant is just that good that he made them into legit playoff team with some help from Westbrook, Green & Co……..not saying Harden isnt going to be good but a back court of tandem of Westbrook, Curry, Durant wooaah

still Orton at 13….Ill believe when Stern shakes his hand draft night

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 18, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

OKC had a legitimate chance at getting Tyreke in last years draft

…Just think about that for a minute. Evans + Durant…

That would be the greatest duo since Shaq and Kobe.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every year....

a lottery team makes a surprise pick/reach – let’s hope OKC does this w/ Orton : )

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see it happening....

OKC has Ibaka & Mullens as their Centers of the future – and what about Etan Thomas & Kristic? Are they FAs?

I’m guessing they go BPA

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure.....Presti is smart like a fox

Ibaka is always going to be limited offensively but blocks shots like a young Theo Ratliff, havent seen Mullens………..and Etan Thomas is just six fouls and Kristic is the one you want to upgrade smart move they got him on the cheap back from Euro to start…but Presti knows if they want to go forward he needs to upgrade that position……still not sure about Orton but another big guy would seem a good fit cos Green is undersized a bit at PF….but this is a bucks site so I digress……..just admire smart GM’s like Hammond, Presti etc etc well not many more after that haha

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 18, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Daryl Morey

No seriously, read this. This guy is something else…

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

would have said Morey.......

but waiting to see how this summer pans out….he rolled the dice on Kevin Martin…not sold on that yet…bold move but will see If Kevin Martin is the next Rip or the next Redd

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 18, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

the big question for OKC....

how are they going to re-sign all their young talent???

Durant & Westbrook will command max deals – Green and/or Harden will also get close to max – and Ibaka is turning into a very good player that will get some big offers.

Think they’re gonna have to trade someone down the road???

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very few maximum deals

Kevin Durant will get the maximum….nobody on that roster outside of KD will get remotely close to a max deal. Westbrooke may crack 8 figures. Green and Harden would have to make major strides to see 8 figures.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok....

maybe Green & Harden will be in the 5 – 8mil a year range – but Westbrook will get close to a max, if not a full max deal, IMO.

PGs with his size & skills are at a premium, and he’s only gonna get better – I personally think he’s the next Deron Williams

either way, OKC is looking at dropping BIG money in the next few years if they wanna keep these guys together.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

he will have to max durant, probably Westbrook

Green if he is smart realises as soon as he leaves Durant he will be half the player and takes the Pippen sidekick deal, Harden I see as expendable for now

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 18, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Green is kinda overrated

Decent player, but I think he’s a third banana at best…and I don’t think he’s the kind of guy who’s very hard to replace All the advanced stats hate him because he’s so-so efficiency and his raw numbers are inflated by his 37-38 mpg, but it woudn’t surprise me if someone gave him $8 million per and later regretted it.

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green

I completely agree. Green’s best situation is where he is as far as being a relevant player. I’m sure OKC will find a way to keep its young core together regardless. Westbrooke, Harden, Durant, Green, and one of these young centers they’ve been drafting is going to be a serious threat for years to come if they stay injury free.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I care....

what OKC does – It still sickens me that their owner totally screwed Seattle, and Stern signed off on it. I know the players have nothing to do w/ it – but Bennett, the bible-thumping oil man, raped the Sonics. Period.

If the Sonics can be had, what about teams like the Bucks???

by victor s on Jun 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Bucks are going to need a new arena at one point

But Kohl’s not in any hurry to move the team. Can you imagine if a senator screwed the state that elected him? Yeah, not very good.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 19, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone here see

Sonicsgate?

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Kohl...

He’d never move the team, but he could sell it to someone that would – I believe that’s why he didn’t sell to M Jordan a few years ago – Jordan wouldn’t guarantee that he’d keep the Bucks in Milw

It wasn’t Schulz that moved the team, but rather the redneck he sold it to – even though he had assurances from Bennett that he wouldn’t relocate – which was a blatant lie.

by victor s on Jun 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree if he is smart he sticks to Durant like white on rice his whole career

then he will get relatively overpaid and have a good rep……..but there are roles for players like that I guess most guys want to get paid rather than worry about their reputation around the league as a good team guy

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when Horace Grant...

left the Bulls?? How’d that work out for him???

If I remember right, he had a few decent seasons in Orlando, then disappeared.

Pippen also struggled mightily once he didn’t have a superstar to play off of.

by victor s on Jun 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daniel says hi

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, they can have him. I want no part of Orton. Another “NBA body” with terrible credentials. He don’t got it.

by MadTown Hoops on Jun 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would definitely be nice if OKC took Orton—that means one more guy we might want is available at 15.

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

true that go for it Presti......

and three seasons later watch as Orton turns into the next Moses Malone

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 19, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops, OKC picks after us

Raps looking at him at #13…OKC is at 21/26. Sorry for the confusion, but I still hope he goes ahead of us :)

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You referring to me?

I kinda wonder why Orton was one and done though. I know the uyncertainty of negotiations but 3ppg? He could be the Raps best centre since Oliver MIller.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 19, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you qualify :)

Look if I had two picks in the first id consider rolling the dice as a project, definitely take a swing in the 2nd

hmm who was playing C for Toronto back in the glory days of Vinsanity, Antonio Davis days?

Well if Bosch leaves they figure to get a big guy in return but its never going to be an equitable deal..Im guessing they like David Lee in NY, thatd would be their preference but again Bargnani needs to move to PF if he is ever going to be a top player and that means Lee is an undersized C all over so maybe not

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 19, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly Antonio Davis

With some Keon Clark and Montross thrown in.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 19, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh memories nice Yogi Stewart.....the former ball boy right?

was a mean shot blocker for a undersized guy….If I recall right

always liked Davis…..my kinda guy, bringing it everyday and doing the dirty work on defense and the boards always great guys to have

gee hard to remember that T-Mac and Vince were on the same team way back when right? Crazy

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 19, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

He got 195 blocks in his rookie year (81 gp) and 83 in the next 205 games. He ended up getting a 6 year 24m contract from the Raps, didn’t work out so well, but they traded him for Lamond Murray. Wiat he sucked woth the Raps too.
And Antonio Davis was a beast, always showed up (Unlike VC) would do what the coaches asked etc. Love to see someone like him playing 4 for the Bucks.

T-Mac and VC are 2nd cousins or something, kinda knew during the end of T-Mac’s 3rd year they wouldn’t be together though.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 20, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm sucks there were some heady days for Toronto.....

then they put up and locked everyone in to contracts and it didnt work out

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 20, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

Vince put up the white flag. I don’t think they were going to be real serious players without a “Robin” for Vince though. That’;s why they went after Hakeem and that didn’t work out so well.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 20, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm yeah by that stage the Dream had cashed in all the chips

the tanks was pretty empty I think Vince has pretty much confirmed he isnt even a Robin let alone a batman, not even a batmobile……maybe the utility belt

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 20, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But he was the man for a couple years. Just too bad he quit before the raps could get a decent deal for him, not just a couple bags of balls.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 20, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No loss....

Like you said – not a serious possibility.

I’d hate to gamble on a C with big question marks.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I would guess Stackhouse has played his last game with the Bucks.

by CanadaBucks on Jun 18, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably.

I wasn’t really anticipating him coming back anyway.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever....

I never bought into the “veteran leadership” crap anyways….. i like Stack but his career is over.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I ever bought into it either

But it at least provides us with something for announcers to talk about.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Helping them get in the playoffs? He was a relief to be sure, but he sort of puts it on him the way he puts it. I guess that’s free agency. He’s hinted all year at waiting halfway in and signing with a contender. It’s cheap and I don’t think he’d appreciate Roger Clemens references.

by MadTown Hoops on Jun 18, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which....

I love Ted Davis, and Krause is a nice addition for the home games – but how much longer do we have to suffer through Johnny Mac?!!! I can take or leave Pashke, but JM is becoming painful to listen to….

I mute the TV and turn on the radio.

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

He’s awesome!

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, better than Mark Jackson....

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

We must agree to disagree....

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough...

speed – what do you think the chances are we re-sign Salmons and/or ridnour???

I’m sayin 50/50, as of now

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe it's a higher chance for Ridnour

Mainly because he was a bit under the radar as free agent, so he might not be as likely to get big offers. Salmons on the other hand… People know about him know, and there’s always the chance a dumb GM will offer him a max contract, which the Bucks won’t dare match.

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dig it...

I’d be surprised if JS gets a max deal, but I can see a team like Miami offering a deal in the range of 9-10mil a year – which would trump the Bucks, I’m guessing.

I’d really like to see LR back – even if they have to slightly overpay for him….. I’d be fine with 4mil a year – as I think he’s that valueable to the team

Thoughts???

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm okay with that

Just as long as they don’t go overboard with overpaying a backup. I’m looking at you, Danny….

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Length is my main concern

I wouldn’t have a problem giving Salmons $9 million for one year since it’s money we can’t necessarily spend on a replacement (since we have Bird rights on him but only the MLE/BAE for outside FAs). Where I worry is on the longer-term stuff. Part of that is because it cuts into 2011 cap room, but mainly I just don’t like giving 30-year olds long-term contracts.

by Frank Madden on Jun 19, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

salmons....

When does he have to declare if he’s opting out – and why hasn’t he yet?

by victor s on Jun 18, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not too sure about when he has to

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 18, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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