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Notes: Dominique Jones, Jordan Crawford and Charles Garcia in town

Jordan Crawford likes to shoot

BUCKS.com: Crawford, Jones, and Garcia highlight second day of workouts
It was first round bubble day at the Cousins Center, as Xavier SG Jordan Crawford, South Florida combo guard Dominique Jones, and Seattle big man Charles Garcia headlined the Bucks' second day of draft workouts. On paper it's a fairly diverse group, though they do have one thing in common: all three were born within eight days of one another in October 1988. After the workout, Billy McKinney apparently drew the short straw among the Bucks' brass and was assigned commenting duties for the day. Let's start with his take on Crawford, the Indiana transfer who's as famous for his overhyped pick-up dunk on LeBron James as his March Madness scoring binge this past spring:

"He had a good workout. We’ve had an opportunity to watch him in Chicago, watched him in the Minnesota workout and of course we wanted to bring him in for our workout here today. He’s a very good player. Some of you that covered the NCAA Tournament here in March, he had an outstanding tournament. As I watch a player like him play, he reminds me as kind of a cross between Jamal Crawford and John Salmons, which is kind of a compliment to him. He’s a very good player."

Star-divide

While Jones doesn't have Crawford's sweet stroke, he has a more versatile game that (in case you weren't paying attention) earned him Big East player of the year honors. As a scorer who can also play the point, gets to the hoop, draws fouls and can defend as well, Jones was pegged by DraftExpress as one of the draft's biggest sleepers. That would seem to make him a steal in the second round, which is exactly why he likely won't be on the board when the Bucks pick 37th. Billy, your thoughts?

"(He’s) strong, very good on the ball defender, he’s an excellent on the ball defender. As we watched him in the workouts, in the respective workouts in Minnesota as well as here, you can see that, in addition to his defense, another thing he does well is he’s a pretty good playmaker. He gets to the basket, I think that’s his strong suit right now, being able to beat the defense and get into the paint. His shooting, he shot the ball very well in his workouts. That was a question that I had personally during the year, how well he could shoot the basketball, but he really shot the ball well in his individual workouts."

One of the draft's biggest unknowns, Garcia is far more likely to be available when the Bucks pick in the second round--and he could be available at both the 37th and 47th picks. Poor academics forced him to the junior college route out of high school and then derailed a plan to go to Washington as a junior. He eventually settled for the new Division I program at Seattle University, meaning he's never faced anything close to NBA competition...and the only people who have seen him play are NBA scouts and people with too much free time in the Seattle area. I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of his abilities, so I recommend checking out DX's profile for a better overview of his intriguing (on paper) game.

More impressive is the wide array of skills he's flashed along the way, looking like a real prototype for what the NBA covets from a modern day power forward. The wow factor when watching him play is extremely high-think of somewhat of a cross between Andray Blatche and Lamar Odom. Garcia plays facing the basket almost exclusively, despite standing 6-10, and is often asked to bring the ball up the floor and act as a pseudo point guard for his team, as we saw on film in the Utah game. He's an outstanding ball-handler who can create his own shot with ease in isolation situations and is incredibly difficult to stop off the dribble, which is something you can hardly about any other big man in this draft class.

Aussie center and former Vanderbilt star A.J. Ogilvy was also among the workout participants. Head over to Bucks.com for more interview quotes from McKinney as well as the usual cliche-ridden stuff from the players. 

DraftExpress: Positional Rankings
Jonathan Givony released his rankings of where guys *should* be taken. Among the interesting rankings: Paul George ahead of Xavier Henry, Luke Babbitt, James Anderson and Gordon Hayward among small forwards and Patrick Patterson ahead of Ekpe Udoh and Ed Davis at PF.

Also at DX, check out some helpful statistical comparisons that our buddy Troy (aka Brickhouse) put together for 1st/early 2nd round wings1st round big men, and 2nd round big men. Obviously it's very difficult to compare the stats of players with vastly different amounts of college experience and who haven't played the same level of competition, but I still find the efficiency stats (particularly TS% and PER) and pace-adjusted per 40 minute stats very helpful in understanding the relative productivity of each prospect. Upside is great, but wouldn't you hope a guy has proven himself at least somewhat in college?

 

Video: Delfino/Scola sneaker ad
It's the offeason, which means it's time for random international endorsements from your globe-trotting Milwaukee Bucks. Speedingtime and MadTown Hoops both found this gem featuring Carlos Delfino and Luis Scola endorsing Chinese shoemaker Li-Ning, the same brand which outfits the Argentine national team, Shaq, and (of course) Damon Jones. 
I'm not sure this one compares to the Yi milk/yogurt ads or Ilyasova's laptop commercial, but it's better than nothing.  

Speaking of Delfino, our Argentine correspondent Palomba reports that Delfino recently met with the governor of his home state in Argentina and presented him with a jersey--a Bucks one at that.  

Ridiculous Upside: Combine Shooting Results
If you're a big fan of small sample sizes, then you'll probably be interested in the shooting stats from the Chicago combine. While this is effectively the only insight we have into prospects' ability to shoot from the NBA three point line rather than just the shorter college line, I'm not sure 25 shots provides much insight.

BUCKS.com: No. 15’s from the Lottery Era
Beck Kenaw compiles a list of every #15 pick since the lottery began in 1985. Lots of gutterballs, but some gems as well--namely Steve Nash and Al Jefferson.

Ford: Breaking down the first-round bubble
Chad Ford goes over a laundry list of guys hoping to hear their names called among the first 30 picks, including Crawford and Jones. He also talks a bit about another intriguing name that the Bucks have already gotten an up-close look at: Craig Brackins.

Brackins has NBA talent but didn't always show it last year. It's going to be critical that he knock down 18-foot jump shots and attack the glass in workouts. He'll also want to show off the athleticism he demonstrated at the combine. Few scouts saw that on the court last season at Iowa State, so Brackins needs to prove that it can translate into game situations. If he does, he's another guy who should be a lock for the first.

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really like dominique jones....

unfortunately he wont be around in the 2nd round, but he should be a really a quality ball hawking defender in the NBA and if you can defend you can stick and get decent minutes

Garcia sounds like an intriguing prospect, a perfect guy to take a flyer on if he is around with a late 2nd round pick

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 2, 2010 3:39 AM CDT reply actions  

also like Mikhail Torrance as a 2nd round pick DraftExpress had him #4 for PG's

guy has some great skills and great handle, has the size to be a big PG or play a bit of SG…….seems like a guy we could use and get a great deal of improvement from especially with our lack of depth at the guard positions

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 2, 2010 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Backup PG could be a need...

I’m working on a piece about Ridnour at the moment actually…I’m hoping we can bring him back for something like $3 million for one or two years, but if some team gives him a silly offer then I hope the Bucks let him walk. If that happens then I’d prefer to sign a cheapish veteran rather than go with a 2nd rounder as the backup PG. Still, that doesn’t preclude picking a backup PG with one of our 2nd rounders.

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair analysis

Ridnour was pretty much an A grade back up last season, did what the team needed, solid back up for Jennings and became a dangerous shooter off the bench for an often offensive challenged team, dont expect the same shooting numbers but his steadiness off the bench is great…………3 million sounds right……..but if your a contender looking for a solid back up Ridnour would seem attractive, or if your a desperate GM who has a ton of cash and have to spend it well……….

pretty short on veteran FA pg’s this season from what I checked Blake? Livingston? ahem Marbury ;) sorry couldnt help myself

wouldnt be a bad idea if there is someone they like in the 2nd round to bring in as a 3rd stringer and develop

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 2, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ivey is highly overrated.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ivey is a solid 3rd string PG

Blake might be ok. I’d love to see them bring in Livingston as the 3rd stringer. Eddie House might be an option as well. He’ll hit that open 3 at least.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 2, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm Royal Ivey

I kinda ignored guys they dont want to play but as a 3rd guard he wont hurt you but he wont do much but he can defend his position and has been a good team guy with the Buck so no knock on Ivey

yeah I thought about House……he chucks them up but he was quite ok in Boston and we could always use a scorer off the bench……might depend on whether Stack comes back right? not enough shots if they are both on the bench

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 2, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Ivey's pretty useless...though saying he's overrated implies other people think he's good :)

Thankfully third stringers shouldn’t see the light of day unless somebody’s hurt, and both Jennings and Ridnour played all 82 this year. Odds are we won’t be as lucky next year, but I think Bell is perfectly fine as an emergency option at PG as well.

I’d like to see Ridnour or someone like him as the 2nd stringer.

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. ;)

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 3, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ten bucks says that the Nets will pick him just based on his name.

Prokhorov will love to have his own Mini-me.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been saying...

While Gallon and Garcia were both chosen to nearly fall out the back end of the 2nd round, they’d be steals at 37 and 47. So far Brackins, Jones, Crawford, future Jerome Jordan, and, today Gallon will all have/had workouts with the Bucks and are favorites for the Bucks 37th pick. If all those names come up before 37, which is likely, take Garcia at 37. If they can get him at 47 that’ll be excellent but I think he’ll be gone by then. Garcia led the country in scoring for almost the first half of the season, putting the ball in the hole is putting the ball in the hole and its a skill Garcia has.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 2, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Seattle U

This has nothing to do with anything, but they dealt Oregon State perhaps the most embarrassing home loss in college basketball last season. After losing to Harvard at home by 21, Seattle turned around and destroyed Oregon State 99-48 in Corvallis.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoa

Hadn’t heard that…bad night to be in Corvallis, eh? The weird part is that Garcia only played 15 minutes and scored 10 points in that game. His game log is pretty bizarre to look at—he regressed as the season went on and wasn’t particularly efficient to begin with.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=46712

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wing player at #15 - front courter(s) in second round?

Does anybody think that this will NOT be Hammonds/Skiles strategy? I am convinced of it, although not 100%.

by tommyr on Jun 2, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Unless a stud big man fall to them, the Bucks will be looking for a SG/SF in the 1st round.

It seems like Skiles/Hammond are big on character & chemistry – so here’s a list of players that might be available at pick #15, and are supposedly high charcter guys who also fill positions of need for the Bucks.

Patterson – PF
George – SF
X Henry – SG
Udoh – PF
Anderson – SG
Ed Davis – PF

The Bucks will be ecstatic if any of these players are available when they pick. I’m guessing atleast 2 or 3 of them will be. Thoughts?

by victor s on Jun 2, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

George and Anderson

are the two most likely to fall to the Bucks, in my opinion.

by tommyr on Jun 2, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I wouldn’t be disappointing with any of those picks, But I like George, Patterson and Henry the most. Of those guys though, Patterson is almost guaranteed to go before 15.

Also, I agree about the Bucks and the character/chemistry part of the equation. I think this illustrates that, even if it is just a PR thing.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially after the Jennings pick I’m more than happy to let the Bucks decide who will/won’t fit in from a chemistry perspective. For instance, my guess is that the Bucks would have reservations about taking a guy like Whiteside because of his maturity/basketball IQ questions, but they’re the ones who get to interview him and ask all the questions. If he passes that test then I’d be excited to have him.

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting dynamic that the Bucks have in their locker room……..alot of guys who come have said its one of the quieter locker rooms in the NBA, and it worked out well in that Jennings exuberant nature and confidence lets call it enabled alot of the guys to grow alot as they fed off that……definitely feels like he had an impact on Bogut this year

from the outside it seems like there is room for someone with a bit of brashness to fit in well as the other guys ego’s and makeup isnt that alphadog one? Plus with Skiles there its a good balance you can be confident and talk up your game and stuff but if you dont back it up with hard work, effort and playing defense you wont play so it seems to work well

so whilst it may be great to get guys who are great team guys and locker room guys once in awhile its good to have a mix, just to have a balance If everyone on the team is deferential and stuff its a not always the best thing at crunch time

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 2, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would be awesome if the draft could shake out like this...

Pick 15 – Goes to Paul George (w/ a possible Super-hero themed nick name, he does have two first name)
Pick 37 – Craig Brackins. Could play team D. Very athletic, scoring option as well.
pick 47 – Tiny Gallon. Physical, can play inside. Would have a role.

These picks would be great for team chemistry. George and Brackins grew up in the same town and have known each other for years.

Gallon went to Oak Hill w/ BJ3. Gallon refers to Brandon as his big brother. Jennings would keep Gallon motivated, and hard working.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gallon can be the inside thug I've wanted on this team for a long time.

I think Brackins is a good pick up, he has learned to be a complimentary player, and he has the speed at the 4 to help make up for his lack of size. From the interviews I’ve heard, Brackins seems like a stand-up kind of guy, and has a lot of Character.

Paul just seems like a great piece of the puzzle. 6’9’’ shooting guard, just think of how awesome that would be. He has a great shot. It would be great to get him on team.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 3, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd guess those guys will be off the board by each one of those picks though

I think Paul George may be gone by 15, Brackins will probably be gone by 37, and Gallon will probably be gone before either 37 or 47.

Garcia will be realistic at 37 or 47. Gallon being around at 37 would be a gift to the Bucks. Crawford being around at 37 would be an additional gift. I’d have to think the Bucks will be trying to trade their second rounders and cash for higher picks to get exactly who they want from teams like MN or Memphis who have late first round picks for sale.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 3, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take that

Agree that Garcia is another guy I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on…

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing that we traded that pick to you

Not like the Bulls need SG’s.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 3, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it bad that I thought of Kobe Bryant when watching the Crawford video...?

Shame on me.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Crawford probably sees himself the same way :)

Seems like he could give Brandon a run for his money in the dubious shot selection department…

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crawford does like to shoot

But you could say that about Salmons too, right? He kinda looks like him in how he moves and such.

by tommyr on Jun 2, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I wouldn't say Salmons is selfish either

That’s always a tough thing with guys who were pure scorers in college…what happens when they become role players? Ideally they can come off the bench and get hot in a hurry, but if not then they have to be able to do other things. We saw Meeks really struggle with that transition a year ago, while Marcus Thornton went the opposite direction in New Orleans. I’m not sure which way Crawford will go, but I’m not sure he has the versatility of someone like Salmons (who also has the benefit of being bigger).

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I like George

He has SIZE …and it appears that he can turn into a solid, all-around swingman. I think they should take two big men in round 2, but it might end up being a “best player available” scenario.

by tommyr on Jun 2, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salmons definitely gets selfish at times

I couldn’t stand watching him drive through the lane in the Atlanta series, reminded me of BIG DOG the way he kept getting stripped in the lane, but didn’t give up the ball. Skiles over gave Salmons the greenlight and I hope they find someone to help distribute the load.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 2, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats a bit harsh on Salmons

especially when Bogut went down it pretty much meant that he and Jennings were the focal point of the offense and lets face it Salmons and Jennings apart alot of the other guys have a struggle in creating their own offense

also our jump shooting in the series was pretty horrid and Salmons was pretty good during the season at getting into the lane and drawing fouls…..in fact one of the only guys that was able to do it for the Bucks

so it was kinda of the situation……especially when the prrimary back up was Stack, whose go to move off the bench was to jack up a 3pt shot as fast as possible when he entered the game

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 3, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, Salmons is just selfish

He does that sometimes.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 3, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we need to say he dominates the ball on offense rather than selfish

because as a Buck he played solid D, was seen as a good team mate in the locker room so Im not sure about selfish anyway….the fact that his team wants him backs suggests that isnt the case

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 3, 2010 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Salmons...

I just hope he’s not the only go to scoring option next year. After Bogut went down, at times he got selfish. I didn’t like it, but it was what it was, I still want him in a Bucks uni next season.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, he's not selfish

he just has tunnel vision sometimes.
Jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step, jab step … shoot!

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

True that.

But I think Brandon will improve to some degree his selection next year. Better than craw

But I will give Crawford this: He certainly LOOKED like Bryant sometimes in the tourney.

That’s FAR more impressive than dunking on LeBron, if ya ask me…

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubtful that Crawford will be available when the Baucks pick in the 2nd round.

by victor s on Jun 2, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

DX now has the Bucks taking George over Henry

For what it’s worth…I assume Henry will be in town at some point for a private workout.

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Is DX the best mock draft site, in your opinion?

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 2, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on what you're looking for

Givony and company definitely have the most comprehensive database of scouting reports and stats on college, international and high school players. So it’s always the first place I go when I want to learn more about a player.

That said, ESPN may have a better read on team intentions, especially close to draft night when they get all their big guns involved (Bucher, Stein, etc) with draft stuff. You can check out Ford and Givony’s final mock drafts before the 2009 draft here in case you’re curious how accurate they were:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090625

by Frank Madden on Jun 2, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this a test, Tom?

After all your Babbitt and Hayward-bashing, the last person I expected you to suggest in the second round was the whitest man in the draft :)

Sounds like FTD is probably right. I think it’s interesting that DX has him projected as a SG—I guess they don’t see him being quick enough to guard PGs. But he’s also got alligator arms (6’3" wingspan) so he could struggle at SG as well. My first reaction is that he could be a Steve Blake-type, but Blake is a solid defender. I wouldn’t count him out but I wouldn’t be excited about picking him either…would rather roll the dice on a higher upside guy like Garcia.

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha ..good one Frank

Actually, I am less picky in the second round. I was just getting a feel for him with the group here. I didn’t necessarily advocate picking Sheyer; just had not heard anything on him. I agree about picking based on “upside” although I also believe that we throw that term around loosely (including me).

by tommyr on Jun 3, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

nbadraft.net

www.nbadraft.net now has the bucks taking Hassan Whiteside at 15. Wouldn’t be opposed to this although I dont think he makes it past the raptors. I wouldn’t mind them drafting George or Henry. I just think any big man they draft in the second round will be a project and will not contribute for a few years if ever. I would rather take a big man early and get some one who is ready to play PF in the NBA. I think Patterson and Udoh would be great picks. They both have decent size and are more mature and ready for the next step. I think we can get a good 2 guard at 37. I do however trust John Hammond and the bucks and whatever direction they choose to go I am in full support mode. Even if they take Hayward.

FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(

by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 2, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting ...

The first time I have seen George and Hayward both going higher like that. Obviously, if those two and Henry are gone, that means the Whitesides and Udohs are gonna drop. In that case, I would be happy with either.

by tommyr on Jun 2, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be horrified if any of my favorite teams got Whiteside

That guy is a bust waiting to be drafted, IMHO. He just looks like a massive headcase.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 3, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

He looks like Andrew Bynum

with the mentality of Ron Artest, but without the ‘hard playing’ part.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

SO he'll just, like, ... not do things ever and never get out of the D-League or something. Think Tyrus Thomas but much, much worse.

But, you know, this is me projecting from two things I heard via the internet. Maybe he’ll be better! Who knows?

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Jun 4, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whiteside could be a headcase, I think the Bucks will shy away from him. Again, I feel like he is a similar risk to what the Bucks took in drafting Jennings though. I’d be happy to see him picked up by the Bucks at 15 if Henry, George, and maybe even Bradley are gone.

I don’t think much distinguishes a guy like Udoh, Patterson, Sanders in the first round from guys like Garcia, Brackins, or Gallon in the 2nd. The guy who obviously has the most potential here tho is Whiteside if he’s not as much of a headcase as he appears to be.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 3, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's understandable,

 I think Udoh is different because he has a good shot, and is a beast down low. He averages a little less than 4 blocks and Offensive boards a game. He also has shown nice touch with his passing game. 2.7 dishes per game is nice to have. Having two skilled/passing bigs like Udoh and Bogut together would be excellent for the Bucks. Also, his nickname is “The Nightmare” that’s just awesome.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 3, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

not that im being paranoid but Udoh screams to me a better Adonal Foyle

make what you want with it………….Sanders I could envision being something interesting but its all conjecture who really knows

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely has more skill than Foyle

I’m not sure he’s going to be a good offensive player, but you won’t be playing 4-on-5 with him…

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the bigs, Udoh will probably be available to the Bucks at #15 – and they will jump on him unless someone really falls. I’d love to see them take Udoh and Crawford – even if they have to move up to get him.

If they both play as advertised, and with Jennings, Bogut, Ersan, Luc – the Bucks will have a core that will contend for years.

Udoh reminds me of Dale Davis – a 12/10/3 bpg kinda guy. He’s also said to be a high-character dude.

by victor s on Jun 3, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's see here....

Howard is 18/13/3. The most Davis ever got was 12/10/2, and he never got that much again. A guy with 12/10/3 consistently, That’s Ben Wallace numbers right there, minus a few points.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah those numbers only a few guys are capable of putting up realistically

if your convinced a guy is going to be capable of a double double get on him

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Nothing’s set in stone. Udoh would be a guaranteed top 5 pick if he was known to be capable of that.

"Why are you behaving like such an American?"
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 3, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

wallace

ben wallace never averaged 12 points(this is a joke referring to how terrible Ben Wallace was on offense. He may have actually averaged 12 ppg .)

FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(

by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 3, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK…. maybe I exagerated a bit : )

BUT….. I think the Bucks would be thrilled to get a true PF – and I think Udoh will be in the neighborhood of 12/10/2 consistently.

by victor s on Jun 3, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely!

But I’m convinced they will pick the BPA regardless of position.

I might be in the minority, but I feel Ersan will be an above-average starter in the next 2-3 years – a guy who puts up 15/8 as well as being a 3 point threat.

by victor s on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Ersan?

I am not entirely convinced that he would anything more than a 6th man. He is like a couple other players on this team, too small to guard bigger guys and too slow to guard smaller, quicker guys. We HAVE to get more athletic, period. We also need consistent scorers, not occassional break-out guys like Ersan and Delfino. This is why John Salmons had such a big effect on this team; he was another sure scoring threat. If he bolts, we will have to draft a shooter/scorer of some sort with that 15th pick.

by tommyr on Jun 3, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Henry or George over Udoh

If either Henry or George are available, the Bucks should pick one of them, even if Udoh or Whiteside is available.

by tommyr on Jun 3, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree – the Bucks will target a SG/SF – regardless of Salmons. It will be George, X, or Anderson. MAYBE Bradley.

I also might be a bit high on Ersan just because Luc isn’t getting it done at PF. I’d love to see them use Luc off the bench, mainly as a stopper.

by victor s on Jun 3, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed about Luc Richard

He is a very savy player, but with offensive limitations. I agree that he would be great as a defensive stopper and can guard just about anybody but a true center. I actually see both Ersan and Luc as reserves in the future.

by tommyr on Jun 3, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Ersan bulks up, there’s no reason he can’t start. He plays hard, has the height, and can spread the floor with his jumper. His post game could use some development, but so will any drafted rookie. I could see Ersan starting in the future. I guess drafting Craig Brackens should be a priority for the Bucks if they are looking for a guy to do the things Ersan can’t because I’m pretty sure he’ll rebound, shoot, and hustle with anybody they are looking at drafting at the 4

Luc Richard is definitely going to need to play a bench role.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 4, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

He said he would try to bulk up this summer

In the post-season media interviews he said he was hoping to get back closer to 245, which is where he was a couple years ago when he first joined Barcelona. Hard to say if that’s his ideal weight, but I agree that he tended to get pushed around a bit by bigger post players this year. He may lose some quickness as well, but fortunately we still would have Luc to defend quicker/small ball PFs.

by Frank Madden on Jun 4, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree, fear the deer

I guess I just don’t see any of the big men that could be available at pick 15 coming in and being better than Ersan, atleast this year – but I must say I’m VERY smitten w/ Ed Davis – he might have the most potential of all the bigs coming out, and probably would’ve been a top 5 pick had he not hurt his wrist this past season.

I’d love to see the Bucks move up for him or George.

by victor s on Jun 4, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

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