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Henry and Whiteside visit, Seraphin skips out, and Maggette in play?

BUCKS.com: Henry, Whiteside and Stephenson workout
Pretty good day on paper for the Bucks, with guards Xavier Henry and Lance Stephenson joining big men Hassan Whiteside and Ryan Richards at the Cousins Center. As many recent mocks suggest, Billy McKinney doesn't expect Henry to be available at #15 (Chad Ford disagrees), but he sounded pretty impressed with the 19-year-old's defensive showing on Monday. There was less enthusiasm for Whiteside: 

"There’s been some speculation that he’ll go ahead of us. I can’t see that. We’ll look at him but I would say, right now, this is just my opinion, I’d say that might be a stretch for us to take him at 15."

McKinney doesn't have much incentive to be so forthright with the media--he similarly suggested Larry Sanders was a stretch at 15--but I'd also be surprised if he was flat-out lying. I guess we'll know for sure in a couple days. Unfortunately no big names in today's workout, with possible 2nd round target Sherron Collins the most interesting prospect. The Bucks do expect to have one more day of last-minute workouts on Wednesday.

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Bucks Beat: Jennings changing perception of playing in Milwaukee
Paul Imig offers his recap of the day, including some interesting stuff from Xavier Henry on how Brandon Jennings' arrival has changed the way players view the Bucks. And while we're beating up on Hassan Whiteside, there's this amusing tidbit:

When listing the players who participated in the day’s pre-draft workout session, Whiteside’s name slipped the mind of McKinney until being reminded by a reporter.

JS: Bucks examine draft options
Some more quotes from yesterday, including this one which made me scratch my head a bit.

"Whiteside is a guy that was kind of a wild-card factor," McKinney said. "I talked to some people this weekend that pretty much told me that he's going in the top 10. Lance Stephenson, this weekend I talked to people who thought he might go in that top range. So there are still a couple wild cards, but as you get closer to the draft, we're kind of narrowing it down."

So who exactly is telling McKinney that Whiteside and Stephenson could go in the top ten?  I'm guess it's not someone with the Bucks' best interests in mind. No one I'm aware of has suggested Stephenson is even a top-15 pick and I'm not aware of anyone publicly predicting Whiteside will go that high either after what appears to be an underwhelming series of workouts. Heck, even McKinney himself basically scoffed at the notion of Whiteside going in the lottery. Both guys are eye-of-the-beholder types who could capture the imagination of a lottery GM, but neither seems like good value that high.

Ford: Bucks among teams looking to trade down
So why are the Bucks working out guys like Whiteside and Sanders if they don't think they're worth the price of the 15th overall pick? Chad Ford confirms the obvious--that they're looking to trade down.

I've heard that the Kings, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, New Orleans Hornets, Memphis Grizzlies, Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder, Portland Trail Blazers and Denver Nuggets have all been talking about moving picks. The Kings, Pacers, Hornets and Bucks would like to trade down, while the Pistons, Grizzlies, Raptors, Rockets, Spurs, Thunder, Blazers and Nuggets would like to move up. And if the Pacers and Hornets can't move down, they, along with the Bulls, might look to get out of the draft completely.

Teams with multiple picks late in the first round might be the best route for trading down--OKC (#21 and 26) and Memphis (#25 and 28). Ford also guesses that the Bucks and Hornets both prefer Gordon Hayward over Xavier Henry, Luke Babbitt and Paul George. Contain your enthusiasm, folks...

Woelfel: No Seraphin visit, Maggette deal possible
Gery Woelfel reported over the weekend that injured French big Kevin Seraphin would fly to Milwaukee for a visit, but it never materialized.

Seraphin had flown from Toronto to Chicago and was then going to Milwaukee. When he was informed the Bucks felt it wasn't necessary to meet with him, Seraphin took a flight to Atlanta and met with Hawks officials.

Perhaps more interestingly, Woelfel throws out a rumor about the Bucks offering the Warriors Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell to take on the three years and $31 million owed to Corey Maggette. The 30-year-old Maggette has been a prolific and efficient scorer for years, though he's only been a part-time starter (even playing a fair bit of PF) for Don Nelson's circus show in Oakland the past two years. Considering he's the same age as John Salmons and isn't a clear upgrade, I'd much rather take my chances re-signing Salmons for less than take on Maggette's rather generous contract. Afterall, he'll presumably still be available later in the summer.

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Hayward....

If JH likes him and feels he’s the BPA at #15, he’ll take him.

I think people are a bit down on him because he’s white and played at a small school.

I’m sure there’s plenty of African-American players from big schools that will not pan out.

There’s only a SLIM chance you’ll get a quality starter at pick 15, anyways – the safe bet is to look for the best role-player type guy available.

If you like the kid, take him – he should be very solid off the bench, where his defensive limitations won’t be as glaring. He’s also a great shooter, high basketball IQ, and great teammate.

Why not…..

by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I dislike Gordon Hayward. I dislike Gordon Hayward because he is dopey, unfocused, wants to be a point and has, as one reporter put it, “Tyrannosaurus arms”. He can’t defend his position and while being white is no factor in my judgement, being from a small school means your stats are inflated by inferior competition (like Wright State, Youngstown State, and UW Green Bay), so of course that will factor in. What part of more turnovers 2.3 than steals and blocks 1.9 do you like?

May he have a long and bland D-League career.

He also looks like he belongs on Leave it to Beaver.

by MadTown Hoops on Jun 22, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

UW Green Bay beat the Badgers

That still makes me smile.

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 22, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maggette???

I like him, but NOT for 3yrs/31mil – AND he’s 30 yrs old.

I’d be VERY surprised if this happened.

Sounds like more pre-draft posturing & misinformation…..

by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Lemme correct myself....

If the details are correct, and it’s Gadz & Bell straight up for CM – then I’d do it.

by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Lol.... : )

Remember – misinformation….. misinformation…. misinformation

is probably what all this is.

by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

possibly with the draft.......

but the Maggette bit has to come from somewhere……..why do a great job of clearing bad contracts off your pay roll then even consider or flirt with one of the top ten worst deals in the NBA…..nobody wants that contract……..even the Cavs were considering Maggette that says how bad a deal it is…..the Cavs only take on horrible deals out of championship desperation

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt the Bucks would do that deal before free agency starts

Maggette and his contract just aren’t appealing enough, even if you’re not giving up real talent. Much rather hold off and see what happens with Salmons and other trade targets like Iguodala.

by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if they somehow added Redd to the deal?

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

im noy buying......Maggette's deal is one of the worst in the league

the guy just doesnt care……his defense is worse than Vince Carter’s…..he is a great slasher and gets to the FT line but thats also because he never gives up the ball

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't argue too much with you on the Defense angle....

But him and Salmon’s percent of passes ending in an assist are actually very similar…. But Salmons has a far better assist to turnover ratio.

And he has been a good player on a good team (05-06 Clips, I know it sounds weird to refer to the Clippers as a good team…)

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying they'd do it

I’d be willing to get rid of him anyway possible.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

This trade offer leaves me confused

I don’t like it, but I also don’t dislike it. I’m guessing their is more to this trade offer.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I would go all out for that trade.

But it’s probably misinformation, like you guys said.

But just because I like stats, I played around with a few numbers:
Salmons averaged .212 points per possession with the Bucks on 46 percent shooting
Maggette averaged .194 points per possession on 51 percent shooting

Defensively, Salmons has a dMULT (lower the better, it’s a defensive rating system, read about it here) But Maggette’s is a lot higher, but he plays in Don Nelson’s system, so what are you gonna expect.

I’m just playing around with numbers here. I don’t think his contract is too bad, but It would certainty be better if they could get package Redd as well.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Maggette's a better scorer...

But Salmons shoots threes and passes much better, and I’m not sure Maggette’s defense has ever been good even before he wound up in GS. We don’t know how much it will cost to keep Salmons, but if we’re going to make a trade to replace him before free agency even starts then it should be for a clear upgrade—or at least a guy who’s younger and/or with a good contract. Maggette isn’t younger or a clear upgrade and I would hope Salmons could be had for less than three years/$31 million this summer. Just no point IMO of making that deal now unless Salmons has already told you he’s leaving AND you aren’t picking a wing at 15 AND you don’t expect any better options to be available via free agency or trade.

by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've got to be kidding?

NO WAY Redd becomes a part of this deal. Not to be harsh, but that would be one of the all-time most rediculous trades ever made. Trading an asset for a liability. NO WAY. The Warriors would have to offer the 6th pick, Anthony Randolph, and Maggette for Gadz and Redd’s contract. Did you see what the Rockets acquired for T-Mac?

Point blank, Maggette is a loser. He’s lost his entire career. I’m sure somewhere in there, the passion for winning is gone. Now, he’s just a scorer with a big contract. I may go for Bell and Gadz for Maggette without complaining too much, but if they added Redd it’d be enough for me to change my fanhood.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a hypothetical situation...

Which is why this trade would be a “break in case of emergency thing.”….

I don’t see any team wanting Redd in the first place, do you? I’m sure we could find someone who’s willing to give more, but McGrady’s salary was/is a lot higher than Redd’s as well.

I guess if someone needs to dump some salary, Redd’s there for them, but I don’t see why any team would want Redd to play for them.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

But I’m worried there won’t be any quality FA’s that will come to Milwaukee. It feels like a lose lose situation either way….

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’d rather get 2 $9mil guys or 3 $6mil guys if they can’t woo a max level FA who’s actually worth it. With Redd’s contract the Bucks could, hypothetically, sign David Lee and John Salmons. Obviously their FA doesn’t align.

The Bucks definitely don’t have to lose because they have a problem wooing every high profile basketball player to milwaukee. At some point they’ll need some free cap space to extend Jennings, LRMAM, and Ilyasova. Teams will be offering the equivalent of top 10 picks next year for that contract. Like Iggy, let that not work out with im and Turner in Philly and watch them start calling the bucks to dump his salary. I can name several teams that would love to give up a guy for Redd. If Milwaukee called Chicago today and said we’ll give you Michael Redd for Kirck Hienrich, Loul Deng, and 17th pick the Bulls would jump on that in a heart beat. Memphis Zach Randolph. MN for Al Jefferson. GS for Montae Ellis, Detroit for Charlie V and Gordon. I’m not saying these are good trades, because they’re not but this is the type of offers you can expect to see thrown at the Bucks at the bare minimum for his contract in trade. If that contract is put in the right hands, that team may have Carmelo Anthony the next season or easily make room to sign Al Horford. Thats why Redd’s contract is a huge asset. That means teams like NYC, CHI, MIA, NJ, Philly, LA, Dallas, Orlando will come knocking at some point. I’m sure John Hammond will let them decide who’s offering the most.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have a hard time following any team that traded for Maggette......Im deadly serious as well

Gadz & Redds contracts and their production and lack of team success have made them painful to swallow we need to get some closure by making full value of them…….I dont think Maggette’s bloated contract, mentality and losing habits is taking advantage

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an idea here.

After checking Hoops hype, If the Bucks threw in Redd it would be basically an equal exchange of salary.

The plot thickens?

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Which deal?

Redd $18.3 million, Maggette $9.6 million

by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

CB+ DG +Redd

in the next year, CB and DG will make a combined 10 million. Add that to Redd’s 18 million you get 28 mil, which is basically how much Maggette makes over the next 3 years.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salary Matching

I believe salary matching is done on a year by year basis, not contract for contract

by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, Biedrins is part of the deal?

Well, this sucks.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Source?

I know GSoM expects Biedrins to be shopped, but hadn’t seen him linked to the Bucks as part of this deal.

by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, was gonna post it but I sucks at formatting

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/6/22/1530204/rumor-milwaukee-bucks-offering-dan#storyjump

Yes it’s from GSoM… Haven’t seen this anywhere else though.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

But no one's saying Biedrins is part of the Bucks offer...right?

I don’t see anything in that post connecting the Bucks and Biedrins. Just that Biedrins will also be available.

by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I really need to read over things more. Imagine if I was a journalist… XD

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He played on the Clips & Warriors.....

So I don’t think it’s fair to call him a ball hog who plays no defense – he probably hasn’t had to play D and was a feature player on selfish teams.

I will say….. he’d be awesome off the bench, and Skiles could get him to play D, he did go to Duke, after all…. and I’m guessing Coach K made him play a lil D.

I do this if ONLY if it’s Gadz & Bell straight up.

by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Im just filthy about his contract after we cleared alot of dead weight :) Im calming down haha

I like the Iggy deal way better……think he is a far better pick……Im not averse to taking on a contract if it is worth it and I think he is…..his deal is way too much but his all round package is alot better and he is alot younger and would enjoy his role on the Bucks after the Philly scene I feel

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

unless Randolph, Curry or the Warriors first rounder is involved I dont think Hammonds is involved simply for Maggette

Cohan, Riley and Nelson have made their bed let them sleep in it………why help them out unless they give up something really valuable

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

No Maggette

He is an individual player, period. Even if it means getting rid of Gadz and Bell, I don’t think Hammonds is trading one-years for a three-year That would contradict his overall plan.

by tommyr on Jun 22, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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