Bucks acquire Maggette and 44th pick from Warriors for Bell/Gadzuric
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM CDT
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PrintUpdate: Bucks have released an official press release confirming the deal. Gery Woelfel tweets that the Bucks will not be looking to trade Maggette in another deal.
A day after it was first suggested by Gery Woelfel, the Journal-Sentinel is reporting that the Bucks have indeed traded the expiring contract of Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell to the Golden State Warriors for swingman Corey Maggette and the 44th overall pick in Thursday's draft. There's no question the Bucks win the trade going away in talent terms--Gadzuric and Bell were barely rotation-worthy over the past couple seasons while Maggette has elite scoring ability. But the 30-year-old Illinois native is also owed $9.60 million, $10.26 million, and $10.92 million over the next three seasons and has made a living as a single-minded scorer on bad teams.
The plus side is that Maggette brings the Bucks a slashing dimension they didn't have even with Salmons, and they do get much better value out of their 10/11 roster by converting Bell and Gadzuric into a dynamic scorer. Maggette's $9.6 million salary next year is about $1.5 million less than that owed Bell and Gadzuric, and that doesn't include the money that probably won't get spent on Salmons. It's less pretty beyond 2011, when Maggette is owed $21 million over the final two years of his deal. In contrast, Gadzuric is off the books this coming summer and Bell is owed $4.1 million in 11/12, but again that doesn't factor in a potential multi-year deal that Salmons might have gotten in Maggette's absence.
But as I tweeted earlier in the day, my biggest concern about the deal is that Maggette just doesn't seem like a real upgrade to Salmons, particularly when you factor in his contract. We know the Bucks worked well with Salmons, and presumably he'll sign for a bit less than the dollars owed Maggette (unless the market goes really crazy). So why not try to re-sign Salmons in July, and if that fails then make a move for Maggette or some other swingman thereafter? Did the Bucks feel Salmons was unlikely to re-sign? Did they think someone else was going to deal for Maggette if they didn't move quickly? Did they not like any of the other potential trade or free agent options out there? Presumably it's some combination of all three, and we shouldn't overlook the value of adding another 2010 pick that they can use to possibly make another move this week.
So long to Salmons?
The Bucks' move comes (not coincidentally?) the same day that John Salmons informed the Bucks he was opting out of his deal to become an unrestricted free agent. Salmons' decision won't surprise anyone given his terrific finish to the season in Milwaukee and his fairly modest $5.8 million salary next season, but it would now seem unlikely that the Bucks pony up to retain him with Maggette's deal on the books.
With many teams flush with cap space and only so many stars to go around, the 30-year-old Salmons will understandably be looking to cash in for one last big contract. The Bucks had hoped to sign Salmons to an extension before July, offering him three years and $21 million beyond the $5.8 million his existing deal would have paid him next season. That was the most the Bucks could offer in an extension (which is limited by the salary of the player's existing deal), but they could have offered more after Salmons opted out to become a free agent. Still, the extension seemed pretty reasonable--and perhaps a bit too long--considering Salmons' age and the likelihood that his game declines over the next few seasons. Ironically, Chris Tomasson wrote just hours before the trade was announced that the Bucks hoped to continue talking extension with Salmons up until the opt-out deadline on June 30, but we'll have to see if the party line changes now that Maggette is on board.
[Update] Not surprisingly, John Hammond has told the Journal-Sentinel that he still wants to re-sign Salmons:
"Absolutely not," Hammond said when asked if obtaining Maggette had any impact on the Bucks' interest in Salmons. "We still want John on our roster."
There's no reason Salmons and Maggette couldn't coexist, especially considering that Maggette's scoring has frequently been used off the bench at his previous stops. The better question is if the Bucks are willing to carry two aging scorers on their books for the next two or three years. They might not have better use of the short-term cap dollars anyway, but Salmons' return just seems like a bit of a longshot now that the Bucks have the added leverage of a reliable fallback option.
How does Maggette fit in?
There's no questioning Maggette's pedigree as a scorer, but my main concern is how he fits in with a Bucks roster that was clicking on all cylinders after Salmons' acquisition in February. Salmons is a better passer, defender and three point shooter than Maggette, who compensates by scoring at a much better clip (career-high 26.7 pts/40 minutes last year) and with exceptional efficiency (61.5% true shooting, 51.6% from the field). In terms of mindset, that makes Maggette look a lot more like the old Michael Redd than Salmons.
Though he shot just 26.0% and 25.3% from deep the past two seasons in Oakland, Maggette gets to the line at an incredible rate (at least 8 fta/game each of the last seven seasons) and is an excellent finisher around the hoop (65-66% on shots at the rim each of the past three seasons). The Bucks were dreadful in both departments last year, so Maggette offers clear benefits in that sense. But he has also developed a reputation for being a reluctant passer and indifferent defender over his decade-long career, and it bears mentioning that he was often used as a sixth man for both the Clippers and Warriors. Considering the Bucks' emphasis on ball movement and lack of scoring depth, it wouldn't be shocking if Scott Skiles opted to use Maggette in that capacity for the Bucks, though I'd also be shocked if he didn't play 25-30 mpg every night. Remember that Skiles often used Ben Gordon in that capacity in Chicago as well.
What about the draft?
It's less clear how the Maggette deal affects the Bucks' draft plans, though you have to think the Bucks will continue to wheel and deal now that they've added the 44th pick to their existing 15th, 37th, and 47th picks. There have been rumors that the Bucks were looking to trade down from their 15th overall pick in the first round, but usually that means acquiring more picks--which isn't exactly a priority now. It could also involve acquiring more veterans, which seems to make a bit more sense.
As it stands I'd be pretty surprised if the Bucks brought four rookies to camp in October, though they could also stash a European player abroad. More likely is that they try to package multiple second rounders for another pick in the late first round, which would make a lot of sense given all the late first round talent they've been working out--Larry Sanders, Jordan Crawford, Hassan Whiteside, and Lance Stephenson come to mind.
If they do stay put in the first round, does the Maggette move signal their intent on going big? That was my first reaction, but in the end I'm not sure that's the case. The Maggette trade seems like a value move more than anything, and it's not like anyone at 15 could replace Salmons' 18-20 ppg immediately anyway. Given Maggette's on the wrong side of 30, has missed his share of games, and has often come off the bench in recent years, there wouldn't be any harm in grabbing a talented young wing player to provide scoring depth and a potential long-term starter at the 2/3. Maggette's lack of outside shooting ability also means the Bucks probably need to add another shooter to the rotation, with Xavier Henry, Luke Babbitt and Jordan Crawford as the best possible solutions that might come from the draft.
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I just threw up in my mouth ;) ok ok I hate this trade but.........
Hammonds has earned some leeway so whilst I totally hate it and cant understand why we cleared cap space to take on this contract……….If Skiles/Hammonds like it Ill reserved judgement and see what they can do with this team
Totally hate it? I did for a second, until I realized that we got a second rounder in the deepest draft in years and got a starter who brings what we need (more free throws please) for two players that competed for Worst Buck ‘09-’10. We clearly have created a dearth at backup center and we should remedy that in the draft, hopefully with Trevor Booker, Jarvis Varnado or Tiny Gallon (or possibly all three!?!).
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 22, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I still believe there will be more to it when its finalized...like the Salmons trade did
Bucks got back a cool $1.4mil under the cap next year too considering Maggette is $9.6mil and Gadz $7.2mil/Bell $3.8mil =$11mil
But theres also the matter of the contract...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade will be easy to judge...
A lot of this comes down to wins/losses next year. Bucks clearly win the talent portion of the trade, but if they don’t replicate their success people will likely blame the substitution of Maggette for Salmons. It may or may not be fair, but hopefully we don’t get that far.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Two years from now
$11m for Maggette is probably not going to look great, basketball-wise. But it will probably be an attractive expiring contract to trade away, so that may not be important.
I’ll go on record as saying I like this move.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is true,
Then we’ve just landed in 2nd round heaven.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
With the money picked up, do the Bucks now have an additional 1.4mil + the MLE???
Giving them 7.4mil for free agency??
teams are eligible for the MLE only if they're over the cap.
but with salmons opting out, looks like the Bucks will be around 8 million under the cap.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
huge. now they can make an offer to josh childress.
and that #44 is huge. pretty good deal.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Well, similar position, but...
Chill’s a better all-around player/glue guy. That said, I don’t really think a long-term MLE deal for Chill makes a lot of sense with Maggette around. Too much money dedicated to good-but-not-great types.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
ok fair enough.....
not the same really though Childress’s versatility and unselfishness might balance out Maggette’s strength as a solid scorer but his limited role in other team orientated areas to put it nicely
well its said that....
maggette may come off the bench so that still leaves room for a starter.
by Erik 'Hundo' Hudson on Jun 22, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.... AND the 44th pick???
I’d say it’s a good deal – they get a very good player [it seems], 44th pick, and 1.4mil – sounds good to me!!
Now…. what will JH do w/ all his 2nd round picks???
Just thinking the same thing
Do the Sixers covet Maggette? They tried to trade for him before.
Supposedly Iguodala is on the block
seeing as they’re likely to take Turner at #2.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I don't really buy that he's on the block
I bet they’ll try to play him at the three. And if the Bucks try to get him I see no way to do it unless Maggette is involved somehow.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But at that point, ya gotta ask what would you prefer...
Maggette for 3 years and $31 million or Iguodala at 4 years and $55 million.
I’d almost stick with Maggette on the financial aspect. Bucks were looking at summer of 2011 to make noise in free agency anyways.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
although I honestly cant believe we just traded for Maggette.......this will take awhile to sink in
okaaay so this is the response to Salmons leaving…….its errr definitely interesting…..its kinda like well you dont want $30 millions John? well F you………. here you go Cory cmon on down
its like the twilight zone......I didnt think anyone coveted Maggette.....ever unless they are named Danny Ferry
I must re evaluate my whole thinking…………my plane of thought has just been smashed……….cmon Hammonds reaffirm my faith say this isnt the end of it…….
44th ain't enough for you, eh?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i am unbelievably torn with this trade. i read that his locker room influence really is more positive than negative. but we need chemistry. not mike redd junior, in which every single time he touches the ball he is only looking to score. BJ better be a pure point. i know he says he is and we needed him to score last year. i like this if BJ can get around 8 assists a game and our offensive focus stays on bogut. flat out…. dude doesnt/cant shoot threes, doesnt play defense. he gets to the line and scores in bunches. i have no idea what to think about this.
by Erik 'Hundo' Hudson on Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
Read what it said on the GSW Page
Said he was a great presence with the young guys, might be perspective
All of us at GSoM want Thank you guys!!!
Damn that was one tough contract to unload. Half of you will love Corey. The other half will hate him. He can scoreand get tot he line, but he is probably the biggest black hole in the league. Ball movement will ocme to a sreaching halt when it touches his hands. But hey he will score 16-18 a game, but all we can say is THANK YOU!
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
this is exactly what i dont like seeing. dammit!!
by Erik 'Hundo' Hudson on Jun 22, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry
He’s probably just trolling around.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not trolling he is a guy who stops ball movement
Great at getting to the line and scoring meaningless points. Check out his past with the Clippers, they applauded when he left for the W’s. He plays little defense other than drawing charges. We needed to get rid of his salary and whil what we got back was a sandwich and a bag of chips, thats Ok we are loaded with young wings who can take his spot and thank god!!! We got rid of his $33M salary. Last thing. His body is breaking down. He never plays 82 games, Never.
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
by StinkyFingers on Jun 22, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He's never played 82 games....
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the thing
you guys have a lot of good players to replace him. This could be a good trade for both teams.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering when the opposing team's fans
would come and start trying to make the trade look bad for us.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Lee is a bad clubhouse presence
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Skiles has shown us that he’ll bench anybody for doing just that. That said, for all I care he can shoot all he wants if he’s going to make 52%.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maggette will be a great addition to your team, I personally will miss him
Besides being a bit selfish the guy is a class act and can definitely score!!!!
you win in this trade this year and probably next, i think the 3rd year will be just an expiring, but kudos as you get a hell of a player
He's not the biggest black hole in the NBA
We have Michael Redd.
by ktenreb on Jun 22, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta believe something else is up
This does not fit the Hammonds/Skiles MO …it just does not.
Daniel Orton
Or Patrick Patterson, if he’s still around somehow.
Philly????
Iggy is due 48mil over 4 yrs
CM id due 31mil over 3 yrs
We have picks – Philly has only has one.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see CM go to Philly for AI
When I first saw you wrote 'AI'
At first I thought you were talking about Iverson…. Don’t scare me with these things!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
objectively speaking I could understand 1 year of Maggette as a short term scoring option.....
but we just committed $30 million to Cory Maggette…..just say it to yourself……
Are we going to have you putting a cloud over us all next season?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's two years and then an expiring contract
That’s not so bad. I don’t know that he will take us deep into the playoffs — that’s going to have to come from somewhere else.
Maybe Kohl
Told Hammond that he wanted to win NAOW!
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That's the next question for everyone here....
whether they prefer AI or CM…..
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Warrior fan here...
here’s the thing about Maggette…he puts up efficient numbers, is a pure scorer, and will get to the line A LOT. I mean A LOT. He also hits his free throws at a very good clip. You will be amazed at how Maggette always finds himself on the freethrow line.
To add to what stickyfingers says above. The biggest knock and most frustrating thing about Maggette is that he is plain and simply a BALLHOG. The dude just doesn’t like to pass or look for teammates. When he gets the ball, you are 95% sure that its going up for a shot or he’s driving the lane to get fouled. I think on a playoff team, Maggette will bring a lot to a franchise. He will be a good grind it out scorer and will add a huge scoring dimension to teams that are lacking such.
The reason why many Warriors, including myself, wanted to see Maggette go is because we have a ton of scorers and he kills team chemistry. I would rather see players looking for Curry and at least passing the rock 2-3 times a possession to develop some rhythm and team chemistry before putting up a shot. Maggette just does not get others involved and really takes his teammates out of the game on the offensive end. The Warriors way overpaid for him back when Areanas/Brand spurned free agent offers. The horrible front office of the Warriors thought throwing 10 mill at Maggette would salvage ticket sales and bring fans into the arena. This trade just goes to show how wrong they were.
Anyways, I hope Maggette works for you guys. He may be a much better fit in Milwuakee. It will be interesting to see, however, if Jennings gets frustrated with the addition of a guy that never passes.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 22, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
Well, I think were in need of more scorers than you guys.
But we’ll see. As long as he doesn’t completely screw up, he’ll be fine.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
What about defensively?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
well the Warriors are terrible at defense..
Maggette was probably a little above average compared to the rest of the players on our squad. The thing is, because the warriors play so small, Nelly liked to use Maggette at pf for some games. He actually held his own playing against bigger, stronger 4s but I wouldn’t say he is a good/great defender. He is ok/solid but this is coming from a Warrior fan that has only seen pitiful defense.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I figured as much.
It’s hard to see how good players are under Nelson’s system.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the insight
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Maggette gets used off the bench by Skiles for the reasons you mentioned. Skiles did it with Gordon in Chicago and Maggette’s been used in that role both in GSW and LAC.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
ya he was coming off the bench for us...
pretty much the entire second half…he put up almost 20ppg for the season in under 30 minutes…shows that he knows how to score the rock and does it efficiently.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 22, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Similar to Salmons, without the D
Finances seem to run the NBA, but this trade has got me all torn up inside. Talent wise, we just owned, but Maggette has never been on a winning team in his career, and I’m scared he’s a player looking to “get his.”
At the same time, look at all the comments we received from Bulls fans only a few months ago about how Salmons was a “black hole” and a ball movement stopper, and he came in and was exactly what we needed. As far as the 11 mil in year 3, I’m not very excited, but overall I think it is a good move.
Is there any chance that the bucks package some of these pick to move up? Maybe to grab a Greg Monroe or the like? I just don’t know what else you do with that many picks unless you are grabbing a veteran. I wouldn’t mind seeing that, or even trading 2 of the second rounders for a first rounder in the 20-26 range.
by rulesofredd on Jun 22, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
okay Im trying to be calm.......we basically swapped Salmons for Maggette.. in terms of money.....so now we have........
Bogut, Prince, Maggette, Delfino, Jennings. Ersan, Redd, Jackson under contract next year right?
thats its…….hmm
Yeah
Clearly Salmons wants a multi-year deal but do they really want two 30-year old wing scorers making that much money over the next couple seasons?
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
We could
But I imagine Salmons’ main suitors will be teams with cap space.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The main thing is that S&T’s are usually for players worth a lot of money…any team could offer Salmons an MLE deal, so is anyone going to offer us a useful asset for the right to pay Salmons $8 million per season? I just don’t see much value for us…and we could just sign Gooden with the MLE anyway.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I had read 4 years and $55 million....
But I could be wrong.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Yep
Last year is a player option. OTOH, AI is only 26. We’d get him in his prime, supposedly.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe CM knew he'd never get the ball back if he gave it up...
to the other ball-hogs on the warriors
by victor s on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
To say that Salmons didn't have a little bit of a ballhhog in him
…Would be lying
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You are kinda right Speedingtime
about Salmons …
There were times that Salmons didn't give up the ball when maybe he should have.
No, he’s not a ballhog. But some people could interpret him as being one. Same could be true with Maggatte. Since he played on a bad team, people might not give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, reading whatever that was upthread about Maggette as a ballhog
Reminded me the glee Bulls fans had after getting rid of Salmons.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
I'd agree with that
When we got Salmons, my first impression was that he was a hired gun whose job was to score points, and that was about it. I was pleasantly surprised. I’m holding out hope for the same outcome with Maggette.
by ZV on Jun 22, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
whats done is done.......Maggette is used by the Bucks more as a SF? or SG?
for now we are throwing out a line up of Bogut, Prince, Delfino, Maggette, Jennings
who is that you keep calling prince?
by Erik 'Hundo' Hudson on Jun 22, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Luc Richard mbah a moute.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But then again...
AI averaged 17.1/6.5/5.8 on a bad Philly team too.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
okay I think for me we try and nail a PF with pick 15? we trade down for Larry Sanders?
dude with this move I would love Ed Davis, or I suppose will have to settle for Epke Udoh or Larry Sanders………but I dont mind a line up of
Bogut, Sanders/Udoh, Delfino, Maggette, Jennings
Prince, Turk, and whomever we add off the bench its a solid core
As a GSW fan...
I’d say this was a pretty good trade for us, but a lousy one for you guys.
We can waive Gadzuric and Bell, and we were never going to get anything better for Mags anyway.
But having seen the guy over the past couple of years, I don’t know how he’s going to fit in with Skiles. He’s a lousy defender and has tunnel vision on offense.
A lousy defender?
Wouldn’t that be true of every Warrior under Nelson?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And doesn't everyone have tunnel vision on offense for GS????
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
It's all up to Skiles
If Maggette doesn’t play nice, on the bench he goes. But somebody explain this to me. It HAS to be about purging more Larry Harris players in Gadz and Bell. We did something similar with trading Yi and Simmons for Richard Jefferson. Teams just are not going to take our junk, unless you take something from them. That’s just reality.
I am still scratching my head though ….
Right on about Skiles
Hammond doesn’t make this move without Skiles being on board, and it’s up to Skiles to make this work.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this ends up like the Jefferson trade...
We get one decent year out of Maggette, and then turn around and trade him again next summer…
by ZV on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
its definitely a love it or hate move by Hammonds......its bold, its risky, its ballsy Ill give him that
obviously Ive made my position clear but it will be interesting Ill say that
Prince LRMAM...
I can’t see him starting next year, no way, no how.
My guess at starting PF:
1) One of the draft picks
2) Ersan Ilyasova
3) Signing Drew Gooden
4) Prince LRMAM
but Prince LRMAM will the 1st guy off the bench for PF/SF.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
With Maggette's inability to space the floor I guarantee he will be on the floor with Sova to account for his lack of 3 pt shooting ability...
I really like Maggette as a fit for our team at that price… he definitely brings a lot of elements we were lacking in finsihing at the rim and getting to the FT line… Skiles does have his work cut out for him though…
I think every team needs to take a risk to be good
The Bucks took a risk with Jennings, to name an example…
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And the Lakers and Artest
Although that’s debatable.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
If it stands now....
Milw essentially replaces Salmons w/ CM – and at this point in his career he’d probably welcome a stable situation, and play the right way for Skiles.
Getting the 44th pick sweetens the deal, a bit.
Another nugget just handed to me.....
Maggette one of seven players to average 19 pts or more AND shoot 50% from the field….
….for what it’s worth.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
yeah. this draft is deep, but that deep?
by Erik 'Hundo' Hudson on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
For now :)
I can’t imagine we bring four rookies into camp this year. Could always stash somebody in Europe, but seems to increase odds of adding a late first.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
We're the T Wolves of the 2nd round
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Maggette could be the Bucks best 6th Man since Ricky Pierce.
I think if they can draft a center with some perimeter game, that’d be a nice off-the-bench pairing. One brings the big man out, and the other attacks the cup.
Is Brackins the big man with the jumpshot?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Yeah
He’d probably be better off shooting less from the outside, but he’s definitely skilled.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Supposedly the Trailblazers at #34 like Brackins.
But he could still be there at #37.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
if we can package two 2nd rounders for a late first I like this deal alot more then.........
we can try and nail a quality big guy at 15……and whomever we feel is a bargain late first rounder……..now we are talking John Hammonds quality moves
errmm does the Bucks getting Maggette make Childress a smart move for us? I like that combo
Maggette and Childress…..seem to balance each other out nicely
Aren't they both Small forwards...?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons for Childress?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I think he's a go-to-the-hole type guy too
he shot 60% last year in Greece so I’m guessing he’s not a bomber
Bigger picture....
Regardless of how you feel about CM – think of this:
The Bucks were gonna pay Gadz/Bell 11mil this year – now they get CM for under 10mil….
So… they now have more $$$ to play with in free agency
AND…. they got the 44th pick, giving them more ammo to move up in the draft
not to mention that CM scores 20ppg on 51% shooting
ALL FOR GADZ & BELL!!!!
im just wandering if this isnt a bit soon? Is it a knee jerk reaction to Salmons opting out?
we could have made this deal anytime right
It was probably in the works before
and the Bucks just wanted to wait until Salmons opt out was official.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Only Redd and Bogut now remain from the Larry Harris era,,.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
"He's a great scorer and can get to the line, but he'll kill ball movement"
Sounds like the Bucks traded for John Salmons again.
I can’t stand Maggette, but I won’t question it until we see it on the court.
Definitely tho
They swapped picks and traded their 2nd rounders for the next 2 years for nothing basically.
Lets hope they don't get LeBron
So they can’t have the last laugh…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Very similar to Slamons but Salmons is more skilled
Corey also has a body that breaks down. I guarentee he iwll miss 10-15 games due to his Hammy’s. He is at an age and plays a style of game that will not net more than 50-60 games a year. His body just can not hold up any more.
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
by StinkyFingers on Jun 22, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Now
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY HEALTHY
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im getting depressed.....$10 million and we are not even sure they want the guy to start
im going to drown my sorrows for now
2nd round picks
Does this make any sense or it is feasible? Add 37 to 15 to move up a slot or two to get a big in part because there aren’t many decent bigs available at the end of the lst
Take 44 and whatever to take Torrance at the end of the lst
Feedback appreciated.
I dislike both ideas.
Unless that can turn that into an additional 2 1st rounders, I’d leave Torrance. I think they will come out with no less than 3 players in this draft and won’t move the 15th pick unless they move down.
I advocate.....
taking a big guy at 15…….trading two 2nd rounders to get another 1st rounder……..and I love Torrance…..so would like him with any pick after the mid twenties
My gut feel tells me they're going to pick a SG
Why they are trying to get Anderson in beofre the draft for a work-out. And they need a pure shooter
his contract is not that big of a deal.
we save money with his contract because the Gadz and Bell deals cancel that out. We are only paying him 6 million in 2011-2012 because of the final year of Bell’s contract, and in 2012-2013 his contract will be easy to trade because expiring contracts are attractive to many teams. I like the deal, he can score and get to the line, and Salmons was not a guarantee to even repeat his performance next season, especially if we overpay him. It’s a good deal.
by Nick Barnett's Afro on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
Plus, what is better: over-paying two guys who can’t even crack the regular rotation (Bell and Gadzuric), or over-paying one guy who can legitimately score 20/game?
by ZV on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
cheers guys okay Im taking that positive outlook.....
I like this move especially if we can grab a quality big guy at 15 and package 2 2nd rounders to move up and grab another first rounder and target a young SG
Good Stuff
we got a guy who can score and get to the line, gave up none of our young roster playeres or any draft picks, and got a 3rd second rounder to boot. What’s not to like :)
Remember two hours ago I was against the deal
Maggette has also played 70 or more games in 2 of his last 3 seasons.
Salmons is unlikely to resign, so who would we have to carry the scoring load? Not Mike Redd, and you can’t expect someone like Henry (if we draft him) to undertake that scoring load, not every pick is going to turn out like Jennings.
by Nick Barnett's Afro on Jun 22, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
2 Questions
Is Derrick Caracter in the 2010 draft?
Would anyone take a flyer on him with one of our 2nd round picks?
I belive she is
I don’t know much about him, though…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
She? did I really write that?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call him that to his face...he's big :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Of the 2nd round bigs he could be more of an instant impact guy
We worked him out so it wouldn’t shock me at all if we took him…lots of questions about motivation but he’s not a long-term project which the Bucks probably appreciate. Here’s some video of him against Oklahoma (and Tiny Gallon).
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and he's had some attitude problems...
so he’d probably punch your face in.
by ZV on Jun 22, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Regardless of who they draft....
They now have enough money to get a legit FA. Any thoughts on who would be of interest???
Keep in mind…. they will resign Ridnour – bank on it!
He played at Louisville
had some disciplinary problems with pitino, transferred to UTEP and was a model citizen last year so it says.
Here’s a bit of a story on him
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/05/slimmed-down-caracter-might-be-nba-drafts-most-intriguing-prosp/
full disclosure I found this story about Maggette after I googled corey maggette sucks
by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 22, 2010 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"After I googled corey Maggette sucks"
Rec’d for honesty LOL
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back up Centers....
Brandon Heywood – I’d LOVE it, but probably too much $$$
Brad Miller, J O’ Neal – both can still play, and would be worth 3-5mil for a year or two
Kwame Brown – decent defender/rebounder for cheap
Can't see Haywood/JO coming to Milwaukee for cheap to backup Bogut
They want to start and get paid like it…Kwame I could certainly see. We gave him a look two years ago before he signed with the Pistons.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No, we can do better than this, even for backups. Miller has interesting skills, but the rest are washed up or don’t bring what the Bucks need to the table.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
O' Neal averaged 14/7 last year....
so he’ll probably be too much money, as well – even though he’s 31 and has major injury history.
I’d actually like Brad Miller for 2 or 3 yrs @ 4-5 a year – I know he’s said he wants to stay in the midwest and wants to play for a contender.
I wonder what it would take to get R Turiaf from GS???
I’d like Kwame, too – and he could be had for CHEAP
Kwame has never known how to ball and he has superlatively small hands. We are not getting caught up in that trap. It’s like saying Darko is good, he just needs a chance in the right system.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this trade for Milwaukee......
But I understand the trepidation regarding the acquisition of Maggette. Personally I think it’s worth it as Maggette was the best option the Bucks could get for Gadz/Bell IMO.
Be interesting to see how this plays out though that’s for sure.
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Now, what to do w/ all these picks???
I agree w/ Frank that they won’t bring 4 rookies into camp – so, what do they do? Maybe package Redd w/ picks?
Redd
No one even knows if/when he might come back, can’t imagine a team acquiring him until those questions have more clarity
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't most teams just be looking at his expiring deal?
I don’t think anyone really expects him to come backor do much of anything, if he does, – if a team traded for him, it would be for the contract, not the player, IMO.
I also think the Bucks don’t want him around as a distraction. It’s pretty clear they’ve moved on…
I think the point is
He’ll still be expiring at the deadline, no need to trade for him now if he cant play
The Bucks also can't trade Redd until July because of his option.
Plus, there is the point that insurance will likely pay 80% of his salary for the games he doesn’t play.
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Well
You have 9 if you sign Luke so that leave 6 spots, maybe you do bring em all in. This way if you hit .500 you got 2 players.
Late first is obvious place
They have a mid-1st, a fairly early 2nd, and two mid-2nd picks. Obvious move would be packaging two 2nd rounders to get into late first. But they could also try to make a bigger move for a veteran player or simply trade one or two of those 2nd rounders for a future pick (ie the punt strategy).
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Read a report that
Minny was trading 16 for 25 and 28 from the Grizz, is that a done deal or still rumour? If it’s done could we pry one of those picks from Minny?
MN will have 4,23,25,28 after thats done.
I’m sure they’ll get all kinds of calls and offers. I doubt any first rounders get swapped again until draft day. The Bucks probably won’t trade until the man they want is off the board and they make the offer just in case he slides to 37 and makes the trade unnecessary
Right now I see the starting 5 as
PG-Jennings
SG-No one atm
SF-Maggette or Delfino
PF-Ilyasova
C-Bogut
And we have LRMAM, Delfino or Maggette and Redd on the bench or in streets
There’s still a lot of work to be done
I like an aggressive lineup for mind why not......
go all out
Jennings and Maggette in the back court
Delfino and our star number 15 PF pick :)
Bogut
Prince, Ersan give us some pop off the bench and hopefully Ridnour is back with a combo of vets, draft picks and some trades/FA signings
only thing is im not that thrilled with the 2 guard options around......in terms of starters
I wouldnt mind a guy like Bill Walker or Eddie House off the bench, wonder what Jesus Shuttlesworth is looking at, probably Miami
Absolutely!!
But for two years, 5 mil
after his 3 point barrage game in the finals, he looked like a washed up, beaten shell of his former self.
No one here sees Delfino playing at 2?
I don’t know Maggete very much, apart from what I’ve read here. But isn’t it possible that Delfino would be the one moving down with Jennings?
We’ll surely get a chance to see him playing as a SG in the next Fiba World Cup . In Ginobili’s absence, he will be probably starting at that postion with Argentina’s national team, so that Nocioni can do the 3 and Scola the 4.
Maybe the picture gets completed keeping Ridnour as a backup for both 1 and 2. Does this makes any sense or are these just my wishes to continue see Delfino as a starter?
hmmm not to be a wet blanket.........but thr prospects of a summer signing Maggette, Gooden, Kwame........err I dont know
Im willing to give Maggette a fair shake, because his strengths fit our weaknesses but I dont know If I can take anymore Clipperesque signings
Kwame could be had for next to nothing....
I like Gooden but don’t know if he’s the guy.
We’ll know a lot more after thurs
So they have 8mil to spend on FAs????
Not that they should blow it all…. I’m just askin, is it 8mil?
anyway regarding Maggette I take it like this...
we wipe off Charlie Bells 8 million from the 30 owed to Maggette, knock off $7 million of Gadz thats 15 over 3 years……..and basically we need one good year, one decent year and the third is expiring…….so Ok Im alot more comfortable
add in the extra second round pick and my faith in Hammond’s is restored…..nail this draft, re up Rindour on a value deal, its all good
Bobcats & Nuggets are looking to trade into the draft....
Does Hammond listen??? I don’t know what either team is offering…
TRADE #15 STRAIGHT UP FOR COURTNEY LEE...
He’s good, young, cheap – and the Bucks will own his bird rights when he’s a FA.
Then package the 2nd rounders to move into the mid/late first and take the BPA.
They’ll have some $$$ for FAs, too…
I’d take Courtney Lee for the #15 in a heartbeat…somewhat NBA tested and playoff ready.
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 8:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless they take a SG in the draft….
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The rumor in the streets is CP3
CP3 for Harris, C Lee, No. 3 was floating around as well.
Pookieguru hit it right on the head. Considering that we got rid of absolutely nothing we got a lot of scoring in return. Doubtful that we could get a lot for DG (Portland comes to mind. giving up on trading lafrentz’s contract a year back) and absolutely no one needs a Charlie bell right now. We also might have got an indication that Salmons had no intention of staying here. The trade took place right after Salmons made the announcement.
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 8:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Duke heritage
I think Maggette played at Duke one year as they won a NCAA championship. Maggette had to play defense and pass for coach K. I am hopeful Maggette and Skiles will find a way to work together successfully.
by Southern Marxist on Jun 22, 2010 8:44 PM CDT reply actions
All this"ball-hog" & "won't pass" crap is overblown....
He played at Duke, so you know he had to pass & play D for coach K.
In the NBA, CM played on crap teams with crap coaches – I’m confident he’ll fit in just fine.
The most ironic part of this trade that I think nobody realizes
Is that Larry Harris is—wait for it—- an assistant coach for GS.
He’s reunited with his bloated contracts once again!
Consider this a present, Larry.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That might be the most awkward reunion in basketball history.
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 9:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He probably pressured the Warriors FO into making the deal
“Trust me guys. Bell and Gadzuric have superstar potential. Why else would I have signed them to long term deals?”
I also love how BJ scored 55 on his Warriors. Poor Larry can never catch a break…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hilarious
I knew he was doing some work for them last summer (he was in Vegas) but didn’t realize he was an assistant.
RFAs
Does a RFA search out the best deal for himself, bring the offer back to his present team, and then the team has a window in which to decide whether to match or not?
More or less
Current team usually starts by low-balling, then the guy tries to find a team willing to give him an offer sheet. Often times teams won’t even bother giving an offer sheet if they think the other team is just going to match—it ties up cap space for up to a week while the other team can think it over.
Thinking of Morrow?
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Swapping Salmons for Maggette = need another shooter
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll remedy that....
with Ridnour and the draft – maybe w/ a FA
Morrow does sound like a nice fit – and I’d think the Bucks could afford him.
Some definite options in the draft too
Henry, Babbitt, Crawford can all shoots the light out
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
And I’d prefer X…
I think Babbitt will be gone at 15, and Crawford would be a reach.
They could trade back into the 1st and get Crawford…
low balling your RFA's....lets ask Atlanta they are famous for that right??
now they do it to coaches as well haha
Late 2nd round pick
OK, lets go an Aussie double at C with Ogilvie, could be an ok pick up, and the court anouncer can use the same tagline when he checks in, there saving operation expenditure.
One recording of “the Thunder from Down UNder” has got to save at least $12.50.
Plus Squad Six already has an Australian flag :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not soon enough :)
I have the feel the Bucks will be keeping me busy…
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Nets trade?
There is a report on JSonline that the Bucks are talking about trading a Bucks 2nd for Chris Douglas Roberts a6-7 wingman from Nets. Take it for what that is worth
Ford: Bucks talking to Nets about CDR for 2nd rounder
Another dangerous slasher, albeit far less accomplished and a heckuva lot cheaper than Maggette…
Finally, it looks like the Bucks aren’t done dealing. This afternoon they traded Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell to the Warriors for Corey Maggette. Now sources say that the Bucks and Nets are in serious negotiations on a deal that would send Chris Douglas-Roberts to the Bucks for a second round pick. With the addition of Maggette and Douglas-Roberts, you have to wonder if the Bucks may look at something other than a wing with the No. 15 pick in the draft.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/16937/late-night-draft-buzz
I like him for a 2nd rounder...
Don’t know much about him, but I think he’s a good athlete with great defense. Yes???
they do need another SG/SF
Not sure about the defense
He’s got the tools though. Terrific one-on-one guy who had some issues with Nets coaching staff IIRC…don’t forget he dropped 31/10 on the Bucks in Milwaukee early in the season. Almost no risk given he’s only got one year at $854k on his contract.
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
CDR's tweets sound like he's headed here
Got news for yall later! Yall ready for this??? Ahhahaaahaha. I jus can’t hide it. FTD. Yes yess! FTD yes yess!
I assume FTD = Fear the Deer…
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats great
That he’s excited about coming here
by CanadaBucks on Jun 22, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone happy to come to Milwaukee?
Happy days are here again!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what Larry Sanders smells like
But getting CDR and Maggette in the span of 24 hours wouldn’t make a wing at 15 seem more likely…
by Frank Madden on Jun 22, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to know what he smells like...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
...and neither do I...
…but I heard a rumour that he and Skiles shared an exquisite extra hot curry on their soiree for dinner…after a few days brewing that in his guts, I think we can all take a wild guess at what Sanders smells like! ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
.....
Ughhh
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as it wasn't Taco bell
They dined at
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think they take the BPA....
but would be leaning towards a big….
If Patterson, Davis, or Udoh falls to them…. Wow.
C-D-R! C-D-R! C-D-R!
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 22, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
CDR!!! I still think more will materialize.
Now I’m geeked about this. I hope they try to trade all of the 2nd rounders for CDR and 27th for 37th, 44th, and 47th.
even if Patterson, Davis, or Udoh don't fall to 15....
Sanders seems much more likely at this point….
CDR. Am I the only one who is gitty over this possibility? !
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 10:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
More comfortable with the idea of Chris than Corey.
by Alex Boeder on Jun 22, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
More comfort
I’m more comfortable with Corey after getting CDR.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hope its BrewHoop/Woelfel/ESPN official come morning!
by everyoneruns on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
CDR tweeted that he can't talk until Friday
so I’m wondering if there may be something else draft-related involved in this deal.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Team Option must be exercised...I'm guessing that has something to do with it
by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It also may have to do with more draft picks.
If the guys the Bucks or Nets want is off the board by 27 or 31, they may pitch out 37,44, and 47 for 27 or 31 and CDR.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bucks have already been more "aggressive" this offseason
Than any of the lottery teams. That should tell you something about Hammond’s mentality. He’s not blinded by previous success.
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44th pick
Right now its stands for the 44th pick
Hm
Quick correction: Nets and Bucks still finalizing the 2nd-round pick in Chris Douglas-Roberts deal, but one team exec. says won’t be 44 now.
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/16821995875
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Getting him w/ the 44th pick would be a steal....
I’m guessing it’ll be the 37th – but let’s hope not ; )
Hammond is really a contrarian investor when it comes to picking up talent.
He seems to pick up players when they are at their lowest market value and hands them over to Skiles to wring out their talent and bring together a roster that is better than the sum of its parts. He did it with Delfino, Stackhouse and Salmons and now he has done it with Maggette and Douglas-Roberts. Maggette scared teams off with his contract and apparent lack of team concept (Was there even a team concept in GS?) and Douglas-Roberts with his clashes with Jersey’s coaching staff.
The Bucks biggest issue last season was their inability to get to the line and overall offense. Those problems have been addressed before the draft, now the Bucks need to add depth at all positions except the point guard.
CDR is a great deal......low risk.....athletic and young plenty of Skiles to work with
Im way on board with this one
Let me refine those draft needs
The Bucks could fill out their roster with a combo guard who can shoot the 3(Jordan Crawford, Willie Warren, ) and a power forward/center (Larry Sanders/Kevin Seraphin) and a post forward (Derrick Caracter , Samardi Samuals or Patrick Patterson)
by Brick's house on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Bucks still have all 4 picks in the draft
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/16823259836
“Bucks won’t give Nets 44th or 47th picks in Douglas-Roberts deal, team source says. Teams working on a future draft consideration.”
by Nick Barnett's Afro on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions
Wow.... i'd give up the 44th or 47th for CDR.
Hammond must have something cookin’ with all his picks…..
Maybe he trades all his picks to move up and get an impact-type big?…… Patterson, Davis, Udoh? …….. Or maybe he’s gonna package them for another player???
Why the hell else would you not give up the 44th or 47th pick for CDR?!!!!
Draft consideration
They’ll probably offer the worse of Bucks or Bulls 2nd round pick in one of the future 2nd rounds.
My guess is they wanted 27 or 31 and the if they didn’t get it, the Bucks backed away to try to use 44 and/or 47 for another team willing to let them trade up.
Maggette is a harder worker than some give him credit for
I’ve watched a number of Warriors’ games on League Pass because they are a fairly exciting team to watch on TV (particularly once Curry developed, who is one of the must-see stars of the NBA). Maggette isn’t a perfect player, but I think he works harder than folks let on. For most of his time in GS, Nellie asked him to play out of position at the 4. Maggette could have complained about it. He didn’t. Instead, in most games that I watched, Maggette worked hard to defend guys often longer and bigger than him (though not necessarily stronger). He’s not a perfect defender (and Salmons is certainly better), but he does put forth an effort often … and more often than you’d think, he’s reasonably effective (ask, for example, Lamarcus Aldridge).
Maggette may be more ideally suited for a 6th man role, but he’s quite the 6th man. On many nights, the Bucks offense was stagnant. On those nights, Skiles can call Maggette’s number and Maggette will get you points. And he’s not Michael Redd because he doesn’t typically settle for outside jump shots. Maggette will threaten the other team’s defense and put the other team in foul trouble in one or two quarters a game. There’s value in that.
He’s not a perfect player, but he does possess some skills that should help this team. Also, don’t give up on him from the defensive end as he’s never really played for a coach who has emphasized defense. Sometimes its hard to play defense when the coach does not spend a lot of time implementing a solid defensive scheme. I’ve seen players who play matador defense. Maggette isn’t one of them.
Thanx, hunter11
Nice piece.
There’s always gonna be good players on bad teams, and I think that’s what CM is/was. Just look at Boguts growth as a player once he had a full season w/ Skiles [minus the horrible injury]
Prior to last season, it was easy to call Bogut an underachiever or a disappointment – until he got a good coach, a real PG, and some like-minded players…. and SURPRISE….. he’s actually good.
And the Spurs were after Maggette a couple of years ago, so that should tell you something…. cuz the Spurs don’t go after ball hogs who don’t play D.
Maggette is a beast
As a Warriors fan, I can back up what hunter11 says about Corey Maggette. The man is a scoring machine, and he was at his best as our sixth man (before our league-leading number of injuries). As big a scorer as he is, he completely accepted the sixth-man role and reveled in it, which tells you what a team guy he is. The man comes off the bench with instant energy and offense. He can match strength with LeBron James, he is a professional, he plays through pain and injury, and he plays a lot better defense than given credit for. The only thing he can’t do is shoot the 3, but he’s got every other move in the book, and he will dazzle you with his athleticism. Did I mention that he’s in the top 5 in the NBA in getting to the line, where he shoots 82%?
I guarantee you’re gonna love what he brings, and I hate that my team traded him away. There are so many dogs in the NBA who get big money, and Corey Maggette is not one of them. Now the Warriors have a big hole to fill at the 3 spot, so consider yourselves very fortunate, Bucks fans.
If I'm the Warriors, I wouldn't be upset that Maggette was traded for expiring contracts
The Warriors are not on the verge of contending and they have a roster filled with offensive players. Maggette on that team doesn’t make a whole lot of sense (nor did it at the time of his signing…but management felt compelled to throw their money at someone). The Warriors have a handful of options for the 3. First, they may decide to play ARandolph at the 3 (where some folks think he should be playing). Second, Azubuike should be returning from injury and Warriors’ fans should not forget the type of player he was developing into. Third, Reggie Williams is a very nice scorer off the bench (which is really Maggette’s best role). Fourth, they may draft Aminu or its possible Wes Johnson slides to them.
The Warriors are not an offensively stagnant team (even when they were playing with several d-leaguers). They have a LOT of guys who can score.
For the reasons this deal made sense for the Bucks (team looking to be in the playoffs; sometimes in need of offense)…it also made sense for the Warriors to dump Maggette (not really a playoff contender; don’t need offense). It was smart for the Warriors to dump Maggette’s last 3 years in exchange for expiring contracts.
Bucks holding the line on Salmons
“Absolutely not,” Hammond said when asked if obtaining Maggette had any impact on the Bucks’ interest in Salmons. “We still want John on our roster.”
Realistically, the Maggette deal gives the Bucks more leverage and the ability to walk away earlier if Salmons’ demands are excessive. I believe Hammond when he says they’re still trying to bring Salmons back, but I just think it’s much less likely…there shouldn’t be any desperation to give him a generous deal.
What would be fascinating is if the Bucks ponied up for Salmons and then brought Maggette off the bench…I mean damn, then you’d be onto something, at least in the short term. I agree with Hunter that it probably suits Maggette best—with the second unit he’s free to be a ballhog since he’s such an efficient scorer. But presuming Salmons got a multi-year deal that could look pretty ugly a couple years from now however.
It could still work
If nobody gives Salmons a bigger offer the Bucks could sign him for considerably less, freeing Maggette to play his natural position at SF. I just don’t feel comfortable with having so much money dedicated to a small group of players.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
With the additions of Maggette & CDR....
Why would we want Salmons back???
I still say Hammond gets a shooter, somehow. [besides resigning Ridnour, which he’ll do]
If Skiles can get Maggette & CDR to play “the right way” – the Bucks win 50 games and he’s COY.
I still think Hammonds makes a legit play for Salmons
Salmons/Maggette/Delfino/CDR would be great depth for the 2/3 spots. Skiles would be able to play the match-up game some nights with Delfino getting more minutes when he wants more outside shooting and CDR getting more minutes when he prefers another slasher on the court. I’m not sure Maggette and CDR are an ideal fit to play too many minutes together…..and I think CDR was more of a value get (hard to say no when a developing young player costs you only a future 2nd rounder). Stated differently, if the Bucks re-sign Salmons, CDR may get the short end of the minutes many nights. Alternatively, CDR could be used as some sort of trade chip (along with some of the draft picks) in an effort to move up from 15 a bit.
bottom line is that none of Maggette/Delfino/CDR give the team what Salmons can provide. Salmons is the best ball handler of that group and I think having a SG who can handle the ball when your PG is still very young is helpful. Also, Salmons plays better defense than the other 3…a big thing for Skiles. Salmons is also the better passer. I think Hammonds has to make a legit play for Salmons.
Wow 348 comments...excitement is brewing all around
We keep adding assets so its time to finally make a big move and add that much needed PF we have lacked since Vin Baker, if someone becomes available that is. As much as I love Ersan and Prince, they dont seem like long term solutions. They are young, affordable, and continue to improve making them attractive assets.
Even though we draft 15th, there seems to be a lot of excitement for this years draft. All I know is that we are not done yet wheeling and dealing, and the roster will look much different from yesterday before the Maggette trade to the time the trade deadline passes.
Im sure Skiles will shape up Maggette too, as Im sure he is excited to be playing for a playoff team. Im ready for the next move, keep up the good work
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