Bucks reportedly acquiring Douglas-Roberts from Nets
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 AM CDT
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PrintUpdate: The Journal-Sentinel confirms the deal will be for a 2012 second round pick.
It looks like there will be no shortage of slashing wings in Milwaukee this season--with or without John Salmons and Michael Redd. Just hours after the Bucks announced the acquisition of Corey Maggette, reports began to emerge that the Bucks were working on a follow-up deal to bring current Net and former Memphis swingman Chris Douglas-Roberts to Milwaukee.
As of now it appears the Bucks will not be giving up players or any of their four 2010 picks (Nos. 15, 37, 44, 47), meaning the Bucks will still have plenty of assets with which to keep wheeling and dealing between now and draft night. Good times! Chad Ford first reported on Tuesday night that the Bucks and Nets were discussing a deal that would send CDR to Milwaukee for a second round pick, just hours after the Bucks acquired a third second rounder in the Maggette trade. Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski then tweeted that the deal would include the 44th pick, but Woj later cited a team source that the Bucks would in fact not give up a 2010 pick and that the teams were instead working on sending a "future draft consideration" to New Jersey. Aside from their own, the Bucks also own Chicago's second round picks in each of the next two drafts, so they've got plenty of ammo to work with. The Bucks have a couple trade exceptions large enough to absorb CDR's salary, hence they don't need to send salary out.
It's your basic change-of-scenery move for CDR, who feuded with Kiki Vandeweghe in Jersey and has just one year and $854k left on his original rookie contract (this year is a team option). Though he's a skilled one-on-one player with good length and ambidextrous finishing ability, the fact that the Nets are willing to give him away for next to nothing is also indicative of his falling out of favor in New Jersey. Still, there's next to no risk for the Bucks and he adds more scoring depth to a team that obviously struggled in that department a year ago. Either he pans out and looks like a steal, or he doesn't get minutes and is gone by next summer at the latest.
CDR's arrival is a bit ironic given that more than a few fans grumbled about the Bucks' decision to take Luc Mbah a Moute ahead of him in the 2008 draft. Drafted 40th overall in 2008, the 23-year-old barely played as a rookie, but despite the Nets' struggles, he looked to be coming into his own early in 09/10, averaging 17 ppg in November and December. That included 31 points and 10 boards in the Nets' first visit to Milwaukee, part of a three game stretch in which he averaged 27.3 ppg and 8.7 rpg. But Lawrence Frank's departure as head coach triggered a drop off in CDR's minutes and role, and a frigid relationship with GM-turned-head-coach Vandeweghe saw his role decline in the New Year. And for all his natural talent, it should be noted that he's been a fairly low-efficiency scorer in his first two seasons and, like Maggette, he's not much of a three point shooter (14/54 a year ago). In other words, we're still talking about a "potential" guy more than anything. Then again, that's why the Bucks aren't giving up much to get him.
One guy who is excited about the trade? CDR himself. The Detroit native sounded rather giddy when he hinted at the move on his Twitter page. A guy excited to be traded to Milwaukee? Times they are a-changing...
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Nice
What an interesting 24 hours we’ve just had! What a great deal on CDR!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
Sleep
Way to be on top of things Frank. But you really should get some sleep. CDR is a great pick up. He put up some great numbers when he got minutes and was healthy
Haha thanks. Going to bed now :)
Fortunately I finished b-school a couple weeks ago and I don’t start work until mid-July…so all I’m doing is watching the World Cup and following the Bucks. it’s a good life!
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
CDR/Maggette
Amazing 24hr indeed. We went from almost being held ransom by John Salmons on a new contract to having a bonafide basket-filler fall into our lap….to then having a younger guy with a smilar skillset fall into our laps, in turn allowing Skiles to light a fire under our new basket-filler. Long story short, if Maggette goes the way of Charlie Villanueva (and I don’t mean domestic abuse… Tho I would also hope he doesn’t go all Brett Myers on his women…but I digress)… If Maggette doesn’t grow hair… Nope. If Maggette tweets at halftime from the locker room… That too. If Maggette doesn’t buy into Skiles-ball, then CDR gets his minutes (and probably some of his intended money after we then ship Maggette to Chicago for Elton Brand and Ron Artest). CDR, despite his Memphis affiliation, always seemed like a hard-working and intelligent basketball player. Also, the fact that we were able to add CDR without relinquishing any of our 3 2nd’s this year is outstanding. I keep thinking those 3 picks are going to be used to move up for Kevin Seraphin. Should be interesting to see what’s going to develop.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
Seraphin
And when I say “move up for Seraphin,” I mean the package of those three for one class of angel. I continue to hold out hope that Xavier Henry is similarly going to fall into our laps. We’ll call the draft, “The Xavier Seraphin Draft,” which simply rolls off the tongue. Make it happen Trader John, the weaver of his own good fate (Aberration Alexander not withstanding).
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
Seraphin came to Milwaukee, but Bucks officials felt it was unnecessary to meet him, so he went to Atlanta and worked out there. Doesn’t sound like a guy we’d trade up for.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't see us taking him at 15
But still wouldn’t surprise me later in the first…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I love this move, and I love the Maggette move.
if CDR can come into his own, Maggette becomes expandable. If CDR fits in and plays tough D, maggette can be a great Chip in Redds contract deal at the deadline.
15 will go to a Big (Udoh, Patterson, Davis (really whomever falls), 44 & 47 will be packaged to get into the 25-30 range for a combo guard who can drain the 3, and 37 on… Tiny Gallon.
Mark my words
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
All these picks
What happens next gang? No way we are keeping three second-rounders. Hammonds must have something else up his sleeve. Is it totally likely that we select a PF at 15? Are we keeping that pick?
There's only 1 reason they won't give up 44 or 47 for CDR
They need those picks to make other moves. Although, I’m not sure they’ll trade 37 unless they see the man they are eyeing fall off the board, they’ll try to package 44 and 47 to move up into the 20’s or 30’s.
Yep
I was definitely pumped when I heard the CDR move wasn’t going to cost us a pick this year.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Stay tuned.
For the Bucks trading Redd for Kobe.
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haha
Wake up Speedingtime. Your alarm clocks are going off.
I have faith!
Okay not really…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Fine with me ;)
If not for the fact that he’s a Laker he would be one of my favorite players.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
mmm...
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
by TheJay on Jun 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lol
I’m sure I wouldn’t be too mad at that trade.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Mad Cow Disease...?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
With Redd's Contract
I think unless you get a too-good-to-be-true offer in the summer, you wait and see where you are at the trade deadline and decide what to do. If you thought you were close you might take a chance on a guy like Brand(doubtful but……)or another position of need. I think they’ll hang on to Mike for a while
CDR for a 2012 2nd Round Pick
I assume their is a consideration for the later of their own and Chicago’s pick.
Now ESPN "Sources" Official
Means it’s about 88% confirmed. For a 2012 draft pick? What was NJ thinking?!?!?
They weren't going to re-sign him.
This is a win-win for both teams. He had a team option that they didn’t intend to exercise. So instead of losing him to FA, they got a 2nd round pick for him. Thats why the Bucks could bid so low. The Bucks get a guy for 850K that can contribute. CDR is going to be an excellent value contract for a year, but if he does well, he will be looking for more next year.
Actually their's a qualifying offer
2011-2012: $1,091,100
Which makes the deal better!
He'll be a RFA next summer
Since he’ll only have three years of experience, Bucks will be able to match any offers. QO is low (same as Luc’s) but that doesn’t mean teams can’t offer him more…not that I’m particularly worried right now :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Sentence
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
just a word
but that was a sentence fragment
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
ummmm.....chapter?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 24, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say this guarantees them going big in the draft...
but makes it a lot more likely.
still…. what if X or P George is somehow there at 15? I gotta believe Hammond will take the BPA.
He’s nice, but I think his main skills are covered by Maggette and CDR. We need bigs now.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Anderson is mostly a shooter, I'd say his skills would have been more covered by Salmons.
which isn’t exactly the strong suit of CM or CDR
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think?
I think of Anderson as more of a pure shooter where the other 2 are slashers. I think Anderson would fit in nicely, still rather see a 4 taken at 15 though.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
most definitely
i think whichever of the big slips out of the lottery will be a buck
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Anderson
Shot 37%, 40% and 34% from three in college, so he dropped off a bit last year. No question he can fill it up, but I don’t think he’s the pure shooter that Henry and Babbitt are.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Babbitt
Can play 2, or does it really matter?
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Better question is if he can play the 3…but to be honest I don’t want to NOT draft Babbitt because we think SG is more of a need than SF. If the Bucks prefer Henry or Anderson because they’re better then fine, but we still have to be thinking BPA.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And then my question is
With a line-up like we have now, would Ersan be able to hold down the 4 fairly effectively. I think on offense it’s no problem but I’m worried on the other end. I know there’s still moves to be made but I’m just trying to think this through.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He's athletic, but he's not as fast as you'd like him to be if needing to play the 2.
I think George could play the 2, they are both about 6’9’’ but Babbitt really is a tweener. a 3.5 if you will
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
What about his defense?
Isn’t Anderson’s D pretty sound? That counts for something too, right? Maybe not at 15 ….but ..
Yeah, I just feel very strongly that Henry would be the more complimentary player for the Bucks now and in the future. Anderson may get the ball in the basket better than Henry, and in a different manner than Maggette, but we really don’t need to fill the bench with shoot first players.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Slipping out of the lottery
If Hayward and George go in the top 10, who slips? Would Ed Davis slip? I doubt it. More likely Udoh.
Hayward slips, and John Hammond had better not take him.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
42m over 3 years
Unless Maggette is going to the Wolves I would say not
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd rather have Love
we already have a fragile big man.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
The only guy on their roster that we would want, unless it’s Sessions and I don’t think so.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Jefferson is another guy who has one of the worst contracts in basketball.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No Love or Jefferson
I would rather take my chances with a rook, and maybe platoon him with one of our vets. We cannot take on aq Jefferson-like contract, and I don’t want him anyway.
I don’t really want Jefferson either, but the Bucks and Wolves are going to have to do something with all those picks. Seems like something is underway. Love would be awesome on our team.
by MadTown Hoops on Jun 23, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Back to Maggette for a second...
It should also be noted how good of a rebounder he is. He’s one of the best rebounding SF’s in the league in terms of Rebounding Rate. Now we have 2 of the top Rebounding SF’s in the league (Mbah a Moute) to go along with Bogut. Now we just need another good big man.
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Good points
A lot of people, including the dude on Yahoo, criticized the deal. But non-connected writers/fans don’t realize how important getting Gadz and Bell off the books was. Sure, you absorbed Maggette’s contract. But at least he contributes.
Yep
It’s not like Redd who has barely played in the last 2 years. You can have someone with a hefty contract, as long as he deserves it.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Shooters.....
I think if none of the bigs drop to the Bucks, they go shooter….
Besides James Anderson, who are some of the better pure shooters that could be available to the Bucks???
Another minor but shrewd move by Hammond...
I’m loving that the Bucks are being active and making moves that make sense…
not just active, they are being Proactive
Johnny H and Skiles are putting the rest of the NBA on notice.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone have any idea what kind of $$$ Ray Allen will fetch???
He is 34 and was awful in the Finals after his big 3 point game. Would he come off the bench??
I’d LOVE it from a PR move….. 2 yrs @ 7mil???
Hate to break it to you but
http://www.hoopsnotes.com/2010/06/allen-looking-for-astronomical-contract/
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why any team would pay that much
for an aging star
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
They won't
I have faith in the intelligence of Basketball execs everywhere.
Typed with a straight face.
Seriously no way he is getting that.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Iguodala for Maggette
I am no expert, but don’t the salaries match up? would this be an even up trade, or better for one team or another?
I dont think it'll work
CM – 3 yrs 31mil
AI – 4 yrs 55mil
Almost
Maggette doesn’t make enough money to trade straight up. Iggy $12.2 million vs. Maggette $8.937 million. You’d have to send Philly around $9.7 million to make it work.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Except for his huge 3 point game...
Ray looked like a shell of his former self – it was borderline tragic.
He’s nuts if he thinks anyone will offer him anything close to mil a year – maybe some team would do it for ONE year – but he’s 34!!
Still…. I’d love to see him back, if the price was right : )
Maggette/CDR also gives us more freedom as far as Delfino is concerned
Remember only $500k of his deal is guaranteed through the end of the month, so teams like Miami that are desperate to shed more cap space could offer real assets (Daequan Cook, Beasley, #18) to dump another contract and then cut Delfino. We could even then re-sign Carlos, though we’d have to use part of our MLE to do it.
Excellent points Frank
That does give us flexibility. Regarding Salmons, do you think the rumblings by Hammonds is all about postering? I cannot see them signing him now, especially with CM’s contract and the CDR acquisition.
I think it'd be naive to think that things haven't changed
Understandable for Hammond to say we’re just as interested…he’d obviously take Salmons at some price. But you have to think the desperation to sign him is gone.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think
The original offer is still there if Salmons comes up short? I would hope not.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Salmons has to wait anyway, probably ...
Until all the big names are signed. The only possibility I see is Atlanta if Joe Johnson bolts.
Right
But do you think the Bucks are still willing to go 4yrs 27m? I really hope not.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree
The Carlos Delfino era has come to an end. I think he’s desined for many DNPs if he stays however I do think he has value as you mentioned
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Delfino with Maggette and CDR
That makes our 2/3 position really strong, especially if we land another shooter. A rook and Delfino shooters and Maggette and CDR athletic slashers.
btw I like that trade to Miami for Beasley and #18 for Delfino, but I hope the Bucks try and re-sign Delfino if Miami releases him.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I definitely think he has a role
Right now we don’t have anyone under contract at the 2/3 who can spot up for threes. He rebounds, solid defender, can pass a little bit….wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he started ahead of Maggette to balance out the first/second units.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think the Bucks would start CDR before Maggette and also believe that is the intention. If they started tomorrow BJ3, CDR, Delfino, Ilyasova/LRMAM, and Bogut start with Maggette 6th man. Maggette really could be in the running for 6th man of the year next year off the Bucks bench.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts:
- Getting Gadzuric off the books is awesome. Not only does it free up cap space, but it also frees up some roster room for a big that can contribute more.
- Are we watering down our defense? Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas Roberts don’t seem to have the greatest defensive statistics. In fact, CDR doesn’t seem to be terribly efficient offensively or defensively, perhaps they think they can salvage him? Low risk.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/douglch01.html
- Maggette doesn’t seem to be a great defender either. But he’s got some offensive skills, so I suppose that would be the major upside here. #6 last year in true shooting percentage, and #9 among active players in career true shooting percentage. We definitely needed another offensive threat.
- I still want Salmons. What are the chances of that happening?
- All these moves for guards and wing players – I would suspect we’re going to go after a guy who can play the 4 and 5. We all saw what an injury to Bogut can do.
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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
Oh, and...
…John Hammond constantly makes trades and roster moves. The guy seems to be on a mission and knows what he’s doing. I’d like to see him build a consistent winner, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
No way we keep all 4 draft picks without engineering a trade on draft day.
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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It's kind of hard to judge Maggatte defensively
Since he played for a team that was committed to not playing defense at all…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck what?
Is there something on this page that is Fuckable?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i think they brought both of these guys with pitting them against eachother in mind... if Maggette underperforms on D Skiles will bring in CDR and vice versa...
Saavy moves by the Bucks as they get talent at a position of need for not much
As much as I like Iggy...
His is a contract that should scare you…..
55mil over 4 yrs is a much bigger burden than Maggettes 3yrs 31mil….
I’m not saying Iggy isn’t worth it…. but if he were to get hurt, that’s the kind of contract that can mess up a team for a few years……. Maggettes is not.
Iguodala is still only 26
so that contract should run through the prime of his career. Barring injuries, he shouldn’t really begin to decline until after he’s gone.
Maggette should be expected to decline a bit. I’d probably try to trade him before the final year – if he’s still somewhat productive AND expiring, he would be pretty valuable.
by richardhkirkando on Jun 23, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No more big contracts
I believe Hammonds is done with those this year. The intriguing part is tomorrow. What do they do with three second rounders? Does this give them more ammunition to trade up? What other rationale would there be, especially since we did not relinquish one of those picks in the CDR move.
Might Delfino be in play???
I’d think teams would covet him in a trade – good player, small contract that has 2yrs left [i think]???
Would you trade Delfino, #15, and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 10??? The Clips at #8 could use a SF.
Who would they target if trying to move up?
Davis? George?
I'm not sure I would do that either.
If we could crack the top 6, I’m in. Derrick Favors, Wesley Johnson, DeMarcus Cousins, or Greg Monroe would be a serious addition for the Bucks. Outside of the top 6 guys in this draft, giving up a proven player like Delfino just isn’t worth it.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If you think there’s a star you can get by trading up, then you don’t let Delfino get in your way IMO. And I do like Carlos…but he’s replaceable.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I like him, but they need to balance talent and contracts
Iggy isn’t that much of an upgrade to Maggette to pay out an extra $20+mil.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Another note that makes me happy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5317787
Gallon thinks he could go as high as 15! I’d be upset if they picked up Gallon ahead of Paul George or Xavier Henry, but if they are going after a PF at 15 and don’t land Gallon later, I’d be disappointed.
Read somewhere that he's getting looks in late 1st
On RealGM wichmae (who is pretty plugged in) said the Bucks would take him at 37 if he lasted that long. Not sure if that means he’d be a target of a move-up, but I guess that’s also possible.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't we already draft ...
… a big fat PF once? Say it ain’t so.
At least we wouldn't be drafting him 6th :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
Good point. How awful that was ..yikes…
Lol, Traylor
Not the same guy at all. There are guys like Traylor, Davis, etc. Would you guys feel the same way if they were looking at Cousins?
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Cousins is a beast
Though I think he’s much more of a center than a PF for what it’s worth…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
His attitude problems are a bit overblown
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How about 6'11" 300lbs tho
Cousins: 6’11" 300lbs
Gallon: 6’9" 300lbs
On a positive note, Gallon shed 50lbs in the last few years showing he’s trying to make improvements. Cousins has barely slimmed.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, I wouldn't pick Gallon 3rd-6th
I don’t necessarily think he’s the best player availabe at 15 either, but I think he might be the best team fit. Rebounds, plays hard, sizeable, and one of the best shooting big men in the draft to spread the floor if necessary.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't touch him until mid-second round...
Maybe he’s the next “big baby” davis – but maybe he’s just a fatso who will be in the D league next year.
Or maybe he's just Tiny Gallon
paving his own way.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Well stated
Barkley was fat, Unseld was kinda fat, even Oliver Miller was a decent player. He’s played with Young Buck before, maybe he’s the guy. Does it matter if he’s taken at 15 or 37? It’s a crap shoot anyway.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's the next Big Baby...
Then he’s not even that good.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hammond would wet himself....
if Cousins slipped enough to where they could grab him….
you mean trading Nowitzki and Pat Garrity for a big fat PF.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Jun 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd trade Delfino for Beasley & #18..... IN A SECOND!!
Beasley appears to be more immature than thugish – and would probably benefit from a change of scenery.
His talent & size are worth the risk …..
Right, who wouldn't have a problem in Miami
D Wade can’t even keep his head out there. Look at all his family issues.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No Beasley
He’s a small forward in a PF’s body ..we don’t need him.
Agreed
We need a TRUE PF.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
All I know is
If we trade Delfino, I’ll miss that Spanish horn…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell.... Delfino for the 18th pick straight up!!!
And I wouldn’t touch Gallon until the mid-second round, at the earliest.
Meh
Me thinks we should get more bang for our Buck (no pun intended, until I found out it was a pun)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can get Beasley for next to nothing....
Do it!!!
He’s still VERY young w/ mad potential – he also only has two yrs left on his rookie contract.
Cook and 18 for Delfino?
Any chance of that happening?
by CanadaBucks on Jun 23, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Bucks actually sending out too much salary
Heat would have to throw in Chalmers
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
For those who want Gallon:
OU Fan from WI here who had the displeasure of watching that basketball team last season. That team had no heart at all, gave up easily, and had no desire.
Gallon was a bit undersized, but he managed to be a rebounding machine at times. He seemed to get outshined by bigger, stronger centers, and performed better against guys who were 6’8" to 6’10". He seemed to settle for the outside jump shot (including 3 pointers) far too much for a guy who needed to be a post presence. He came into college with a lot of weight and to his credit he lost a sizeable chunk of that. However, he still needs to work on his conditioning. If he had to play for extended stretches, you’d see him just camping down on one end of the court and not making runs to both ends. It was frustrating at times to watch a guy with that much talent be so average – with below average effort.
If we take Gallon with the 15th pick I would be extremely disappointed. The consensus among OU fans was that he might even be lucky to be drafted, but perhaps in the latter half of the 2nd round. I’m not sure why his stock has risen THIS much. Pretty surprising.
If we did take a player from OU I would want it to be Willie Warren. He can play the 1 or the 2 and is 6’4". He has offensive skills and handles. Sometimes he can settle for the 1-on-1 game too much versus team passing. Definite talent. Was a McDonald’s All American. He got a little undue criticism in my mind, as he was expected to be a superstar like Blake Griffin. I don’t think that’s Willie’s strong suit. I think he is best when he plays second fiddle to someone else and provides an ability to create scoring chances all over the floor. I would love to see him in a Bucks uniform.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
Yes Sir!!!
Gallon is a late 2nd rounder, IMO.
But W Warren would be a steal in the early 2nd round, IMO – he’s been judged too harshly for last season – and would really benefit from having a coach like Skiles.
I think Willie Warren will surprise people in the NBA
He’s a hard worker and a gym rat, but he somehow got the reputation for being a complainer, and not being a team player. Just from watching him during the season, I’d say Willie was a big team player. He knew when he wasn’t playing well, and when he was injured he was still sitting there on the bench actively cheering a team that was essentially going nowhere.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I can dig it!!
And w/ the addition of CM & CDR, there’s a good chance the Bucks look to get a combo guard in this draft.
WW could very well be a major steal in this draft….
Good stuff DOD
Thanks for the insight! In the second round I’d be pleased with either guy.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way,
it doesn’t surprise me that Tiny THINKS he’s going to go as high as 15. He has a bit of an ego, and he was thinking one-and-done from the minute he committed to OU. He didn’t have all that great of a season, either, but that didn’t make him rethink his stance.
I think people are looking at him and expecting another DeJuan Blair, but I would be flabbergasted if that happened.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I appreciate the input
Every rookie has faults and things to get better at.
His stock moved up for his potential, maturity, and motivation to improving seems sincere.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
potential, maturity, and motivation to improving seems sincere
potential – yes
maturity – absolutely not
motivation to improving – questionable. I think Tiny already thinks he’s pretty good, and he’s in for a rude awakening in NBA training camps.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this has to be based on his play at OU, not his draft workouts
He’s of the best interviews and had the most charisma of all the candidates in the draft I’ve seen so far. I’ve watched every Pasckeball clip on bucks.com. I watched nbadraft.net clips and draftexpress.com clips.
An added bit, I think giving Jennings a guy considered a good friend also helps solidify his happiness in Milwaukee into the future too. His personality really resemebles Jennings as far as confidence and charisma. Jennings personality along with ihs play on the court has done wonders for the city of MKE. Regardless, it’s apparent the Bucks like Gallon and Jennings does too thats why he chose Gallon at 15 in the players draft. No offense, but I’d rather have Jennings on my side.
I need a lot more than interviews to be convinced a fat guy is going to work hard.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be more than happy to be proved wrong
But I can’t see Tiny amounting to much in the NBA. And this is from having watched him play in about 30 games. I’ll value that over a 2 minute sound byte that he gives to a website after being coached by an agent.
If we DO take Gallon, I hope you’re right…
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ticket sales up by 10%, media coverage by 50%
The senator will be fine..lol
Gallon will probably go in the first at 27 or 30
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AmnRR5LPr41zyU4rYtaeJ.8vLYF?slug=ys-draftbuzz062310
"a more talented, offensive Big Baby,"
“engaging personality”
lol, if he slides to the Wizards at 30, I live in DC now so I’ll get to see Wall and Gallon. Can’t wait to see Wall vs BJ3!
by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I would lose ALL confidence in Hammond if he drafted Gallon w/ the 15th pick.....
Gallons BEST CASE scenario is that he becomes DuJuan Blair/Glen Davis
Even if that’s the case…. you don’t take him at 15
STOP the Tiny Gallon talk
This day was going so well ..hahaha
also ...
I wouldn’t pick Gallon if there were 6 rounds in the draft.
Haha
I think you got him beat on that.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The other thing is
Tiny doesn’t add anything except for tenacious rebounding. You already have that in Ersan – and Ersan is taller and longer arms!
Tiny doesn’t have great low post moves and he settles for jump shots. The Bucks need a guy to stick in down low who can go to the basket with a variety of moves, has a big body AND rebounds. Tiny’s not that guy.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean Jamal Crawford?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell yeah
I enjoy the intrigue of watching the trades and draft picks develop over the course of the evening…even when the Bucks have no 1st Rounders…but this year will be a blockbuster with Hammond being a major wheeler and dealer on draft night IMO.
The draft starts about 930am down here, so will have to record it and stay away from all sports news webpages and blog sites so that I can enjoy it after work.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 24, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
New Orleans needs a SF & cap space....
Could you see trading Delfino & #15 to move up to #11 – and then hope you can re-sign him if N.O. cuts him???
Seriously ...
Who knows what is churning in Hammonds dome. Love to be a fly on THAT wall tomorrow.
They certainly have the ammo to move up in the 1st round....
with 3 second rounders – and can dangle Delfino/Ersan, if they choose to.
skeptic me? haha
I think Maggette is ok as long as we do not sign Salmons, I really like The CDR move thats a no brainer……………Cant wait to see who we end up in the draft
Unless ...
the FA market runs out of loot with all the big names, I do not see Salmons returning to the Bucks.
I'd like the Delfino trade if he gets the Big Z treatment
and gets bought out and re-signs to the Bucks
Salmons is GONE!!!
Not only do the Bucks not really need him anymore – there will be teams that will pay his asking price – there’s too many teams with $$$ to burn this Summer.
Salmons is still well worth the money tho
There’s guaranteed chemistry there. Its tried and tested. I wouldn’t be mad if we had a Salmons, CDR, Maggette, and Delfino rotation for the next 2 or 3 years at a cost. I’d say thats a heck of an upgrade to Stackhouse, Salmons, Delfino. There’s not enough minutes in the game for all those guys is my only concern.
There's no guarantee the chemistry would be like last year...
Too many different faces & raised expectations…..
no use even thinking of last year now.....that team is done and dusted.....new day
the Pistons made a bold move firing Rick Carlisle after he had a couple of very good years in Detroit and they took the extra step…..so hopefully this gets the Bucks into 2nd round and beyond
And they traded Stack for Rip after winning 50 games
No room for nostalgia, but I still don’t think you can ignore the fact that Salmons worked well with the current roster.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
true but onwards and upwards I say :) I think the Salmons thing was for the best.....
both sides got what they needed from the deal…always a likelihood it might go all pear shaped after such a great start
Delfino for Beasley straight up???
Beasley arguably has more talent than Delfino, Luc, or Ersan – and probably anyone we draft tomorrow…..
I know he has a bad rep, but if the price was right, would you trade for him???
I’ve heard the Heat are basically giving him away.
Maybe get Cook in the deal, too???
Beasley easily has more talent than those guys
I agree he doesn’t really fit our needs and his head is a major question mark, but how often is that kind of talent on a rookie contract available for nothing? If you don’t think he’s got the game then fine, but I still think if he put it together he could be a very good player. That alone might not be enough, but the Bucks are still short on talent IMO…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I’m glad he’s not bailing out his buddy Joe at this point…let the PIstons rot with all those bad deals…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
fair play.....yeah might appear he was helping Joe D out :)
still think Rip has some great value left if he is healthy….especially on a team like Orlando
Exactly, Frank....
He’s 6’ 10" – 235 lbs
Has all the physical tools in the world….
But most importantly – “how often is that kind of talent on a rookie contract available for nothing”
You said it!! : )
Skiles & the Bucks might be EXACTLY what the kid needs….. there’s been a LOT of NBA players that needed the right team/coach/scenario to tap their true potential.
and if not, ship him out at no loss.
Beasley and Maggette on the same team.....Ill have a fit :)
he reminds me of a very poor mans Glen Robinson is that fair?
True
CDR, Beasley, and Maggette are a bunch of “personalities” in one room. Skiles can help a lot of these guys, I think young players really respect Kelvin Sampson too. Hopefully, he’s still on the bench for the Bucks next season.
That is very true
Maggette was supposedly very good with the young players in GS last year, but on the court he’s pretty Redd-like. CDR seems like your more standard young problem child who needs to be put in his place, while Beasley’s potentially self-destructive. Not quite Artest, but more in that vein. Would definitely be a challenge for Skiles.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont see Maggette being any problem off the court......
as for CDR Skiles will knock whatever stupid he has left in him……or else he gets the Warrick two step out the door at the deadline…..only one way on this team and its Skiles………
agreed I think Beasley is on a different level of crazy :) itd sure be interesting
I doubt they will risk this much locker room madness
They are a young conservative team. I think its just too much risk of poisoning the other 4 draft picks and giving the guys who do have personality issues a reason to not mature.
Not really....
He’s 2in taller, and WAY more atletic than Robinson
Plus… the big dog had some genuine thug in him….. Beasley just appears to be aloof/immature
Beasley also suffers from depression, so that complicates things
I think there are definitely comparisons to Glenn…and Beasley only measured 6’8.25" in shoes at the combine.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
CoughDenverCough
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Miami was/is a bad situation for him....
The team never really wanted him in the first place, and he knew it – but they still had HUGE expectations for the kid…. unfairly.
Plus…… there wasn’t much talent there besides Wade, and their coach was a complete tool.
Anybody worried about chemistry?
With the Bucks potentially having too many NEW players next season? I do think that this team has gelled nicely together, and perhaps having a core in a PG and Center solidifies that, even with all the new faces. I’m just wondering if some of the chemistry will be affected.
I think the leadership core is pretty much set....its Bogut & Jennings team to lead......
Salmons was kinda an under the radar calm influence….Stack & Thomas where veteran leaders but production wise it means that level of effect is always limited
still have plenty of good hustle glue guys in Ersan, Prince & Carlos
a bit of antagonism gets the juices going
You're probably right
About the leadership core. I just remember when lovable Larry Harris re-made virtually our entire roster with one sweep of his pen (or so it seemed). Granted, he got the wrong guys more often than not, so it’s nowhere near a true comparison. I also think that for a team such as the Bucks, in a smaller, less desireable market, they have to take some chances now and then. So far, I think Hammonds has been “on the money.”
I think it's the price of getting better
We’re not good enough to keep everything the same…so while change for change’s sake can hurt a solid team, the Bucks can’t be satisfied the way they are.
If you don’t think Beasley’s good enough then I can understand that, but if you see him as a potentially special talent then I wouldn’t be so concerned about continuity…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Understood
You’re right Frank. And I wasn’t even necessarily referring to Beasley. On the court, I consider him a big small forward. And I just don’t know how he would address any of our needs (besides, perhaps, low-post scoring). So with him, for me, it’s not a chemistry thing so much as it is a skill thing. I would not be totally against rolling the dice, especially with the little $$ he makes now.
Im not especially enthralled by his game
I would like do try and move up in the draft and take a swing at a better tier of big guys
If Beasley was drafted by a Utah or San Antonio....
things would probably be VERY different for him – in a good way.
I’d roll the dice for him if the price is very little.
Maybe
Beasley fits the Hammonds MO- Recycling other team’s unwanted talent is the best way I can describe it.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams like the Bucks have to buy low
We haven’t had LeBron drop in our laps and we’re not going to sign a star FA, so we have to be more creative about getting better. I don’t think Beasley’s a no-brainer, but it’s the kind of deal the Bucks need to think long and hard about…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
This team seems very similar to the Pistons when Hammond was on Dumars staff in the way it’s being constructed. For all we know Hammond could have been the brains behind everything in Detroit.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I am convinced that Hammonds was the brains
Cuz he would not have given away Chauncy Billups for AI. NEVER.
while giving up Billups was bold that wasnt the main problem
the problem was they spent all that free cash on Ben Gordon & Charlie V instead of re upping Billups……one of the wierdest moves Ive seen
Does anyone see the similarites between Dumars and Harris's moves...?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Harris was beyong terrible....
He even messed up the gift of Bogut by trading for a crap center and making Bogut play out of position at PF his rookie year….
it surprising neither of those teams have taken the bait
Jazz needs a new PF with Boozer leaving, and San Antonio is getting old. Beasley could certainly benefit from Sloan or Pop.
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
you really think Blair is the next Tim Duncan?
I’m sure Pop wants a little bit more security when DeJuan’s knees shatter like glass
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Stephenson....
There’s been talk that the Bucks really like Lance Stephenson – which makes me VERY nervous & angry – because he’s a thug/prima donna/head case…. Plain & simple. A wasted pick waiting to happen.
If the Bucks are indeed considering drafting HIM – I’d think they’d take the chance w/ Beasley.
It’d be a classic John Hammond “low risk/high reward” type move.
Do they supposedly like him in the 2nd round?
Because taking him in the 1st round would be a disaster for the Bucks.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I've heard both...
I will vomit w/ rage if they draft Stephenson or Whiteside in the first round
Vomitting with rage ...
Hmm..would that be “projectile”???
yes, projectile.... inspired and fueled by anger & disbelief.....
Similar to when Harris was given the gift of Andrew Bogut – and then promptly trading 2 good players [smith, mason] for a crap player [magloire] and making Bogut play out of position at PF for his whole rookie year….. Similar kind of vomiting.
Until tomorrow folks
It should be a riveting draft day. Peace.
Quick! Someone show CDR this thread...!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We've been gaining momentum :)
Love all the comments we’ve been getting…never expected to have such a great group of people posting so regularly. I’m guessing the game threads next year will be a bit bigger…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, we're just a bunch of bandwagon fans ;)
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--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad to see the bucks get bandwagon fans, fans have to come from somewhere
I’ve been a lonely Bucks fan for all of my 25 years on this earth
Since Blue Edwards and Frank Brickowski.
Since Johnny Newmann and Todd Day autographed my basketball in 2nd grade.
So it sure feels good to not be the only fan for once.
I was joking ;)
I’m a lot younger that probably most of you are… I started following the Bucks 5 years ago (and no, It’s not because they drafted Bogut… I’m not Australian) even before they made the playoffs. And then I sort of just started to stop watching them and sports in general for the next few years until this year. Not sure why. ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it could have been a blank post and everybody would have posted...its draft time!
I’d guess that the NBA Draft and the Trade Deadline are the two most active times for a NBA blog.
It's always the major events
Big trades, the draft, games 3/4 of the playoffs…those are the biggies.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we shouldn't get Sanders....
I prefer players who score for the right team.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/23/larry-sanders-lands-on-right-foot-after-starting-on-wrong-one/
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--David Stern
Everybody keeps saying how picking guys in the first is a "disastor"
Their are 22 picks between 15 and 37. The Bucks want about probably 10 guys in there. They should get the guy they want at 15, if they feel like they can’t trade up for a 2nd first rounder. FORGET what the mock drafts say. If Billy McKinney made that mock draft, then I’m buying it. If he didn’t who cares. It’s known that the Bucks like Gordon Hayward, Paul George, Xavier Henry, Lance Stephenson, Jordan Crawford, and Luke Babbit at the SG/SF picks of which only 4 can be justified as a 15th pick but may all be gone by that time. The only PF’s that I’ve heard they liked are Patterson, Sanders, and Gallon. If Henry, Gordon, George, Babbit, and Patterson are all gone, what do they do? Take a guy they didn’t work out and get much chance to see? Hell no! Talk about risk…I’d rather pick a guy they felt confident about if they had the 20th pick especially if he’s still young like most of them are.
It's all about perception of value
If you can get a guy at 30 then you should try to get him there than at 15…but in the grand scheme of things you’re right. A year from now we’ll wonder why x, y and z went in the first and a, b and c lasted until the second. Biggest problem is that people always remember when GMs go for “stretch” picks that fall flat.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
These mock experts like nbadraft, draft express, chad ford, etc
Are the same guys who would have said take Willie Warren at 10th pick and Craig Brackins at 15th had they come out. It’s a bunch of BS. People would go nuts if Warren was picked in the 1st round by the Bucks this year.
Miami's Cook/#18 going to OKC for #32
DAMN. I assume OKC is using their cap space to pull this off…brilliant for OKC.
OKC now has 18, 21, and 26
Should the Bucks shed 15 for 18 (or 21) and 26? I would say go for it.
Wow
Now Memphis, Minny and now OKC are like in control of this draft…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Just out of curiousity
i didn’t follow this site last year but what was the general concensus on:
1. Picking Young Buck at 10
2. The Jefferson trade.
Thanks
FTD no longer a florist but a way of life.
i don't know if anyone was talking about Jennings at all.
i was a fan of The Jefferson trade, but i thought Bowen was going to be great to have on the team to mentor Luc.
I think a lot of us were hoping Johnny Flynn was going to drop to us, but The T-wolves had to ruin that. (that’s why they can’t have nice things). Jordan Hill was my other favorite. (Funny the Jennings dropped to the bucks with Jennings being so bitter about the Knicks)
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Was happy about RJ trade, scared but excited about Jennings
I had been hoping for that RJ/Spurs scenario for a while before it went down…I assumed Bowen would be cut but also thought there was a good chance KT would be bought out to clear more room under the tax.
http://www.brewhoop.com/2009/6/23/922681/jefferson-to-spurs-gets-bucks-back
Brandon scared the hell out of me, both good and bad.
http://www.brewhoop.com/2009/6/25/925554/young-buck-bucks-take-brandon
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
There were 8 posts on the RJ trade story, and like 300 on the Maggette trade, And comical to read some of the Young Buck reaction
This says it all
Another wasted year!!! should have traded up for Hill, we don’t need a point guard!!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I was rooting for Hill too.
Forgive me BJ3…I humbly stand corrected ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
making a list
Here are players who would be on my first round list for tomorrow. There are of course some underlying assumptions. They won’t trade up from 15, they won’t trade a player and using draft picks they will get another lst rounder . Here goes, in no particular order
Henry, Anderson, -at 15 – later lst rounder, Crawford, Warren, White and Torrence.
Udoh is only big man who might slip- Sanders, They told Seraphin not to show up for work out so I wouldn’’t think he’;d be on the list
I didn’t consider a player like Babbit because there just aren’;t any minutes for him
On another note I read that Richardson, 6-10 from England, had a decent workout recently He’s very raw at 19 but is willing to play in the D league. I’d consider him with a 2nd rounder.
Ryan Richards: If they kept the picks
and he is still on the board at 44 or 47, I am willing to bet he’s picked.
Intriguing player, no clue if he's worth the pick
I think it was Woelfel who said he acquitted himself well against Whiteside, though I have no idea what that means…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we should all realize
That were getting a guy who’s ego has it’s own twitter account… Yikes.
Won’t this be a fun ride. Welcome to the impossibly complex fusion machine that runs on defense and exhausts awesomeness, CDR!
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--David Stern
LOVED that story on Hardwood Paroxysm
I’ve hung out with Matt Moore in Vegas, really good dude. And I love how he comes up with that kind of completely random crap…
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Random humor is amazing
I liked how he compared the Buck’s situation a few years ago to a scrap heap.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be hilarious
If all these teams shedding money and roster spots, all the big free agents stayed with their original teams. Owned.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it would : )
But I think there will be a fair amount of FAs changing teams this year….
In fact, the only marquee FA i see staying w/ his team is Wade – because of his legal issues, divorce, he’ll take the most money…. and Miami can give him the most money.
But I think LBJ, Bosh, Amare, Johnson, and maybe Boozer and D Lee – will all be playing for different teams next season.
I think LBJ is going to stay
Just a gut feeling I have.
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
"The only time people lie this time of year is when they move their lips"
http://wssp.radiotown.com/audio/doug/062310dmbillymckinney.mp3
Great interview with McKinney…wonder if he’s describing himself too?
The deal that Miami made
Would it have been vetoed in MLB for not being in the best interests of the game? They did that to Charlie O. Finley in the mid 70s when he was dumping payroll.
Does the fact that first round picks
Seem to be readily available indicate that the Bucks are not looking to trade into the first round and will stay with three seconds? In a fairly deep and even draft they might want to avoid the guaranteed salaries so are we staying put?
Acording to Woelfel, Redd is being shopped.
http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_2c7bde90-7dbc-11df-9642-001cc4c002e0.html
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I'd be surprised if they don't move up....
atleast to late first/top of the 2nd – I jist don’t see them bringing in 4 rookies
Lol what happened to Harris?!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 23, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
the king is dead long live the King
the checked shirt has won out over the suit :)
Hammonds knows something Im assuming this Maggette deal is genius
I think it's a good idea to get rid of Redd sooner than later....
I know his value will be highest at the trade deadline – but it seems JH wants to rid himself of the Larry Harris era…. now.
The Redd situation could turn into an awkward distraction like it did last year for Houston & T Mac.
I say get what you can for him – sometime between now and before training camp.
If there's a market then fine
But if no one’s offering value then letting him expire isn’t the worst thing in the world either….
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
On moving up
The only problem now is that nobody really wants to trade for more picks. MN, Memphis, OKC, and NJ have most of the picks that the Bucks want, but the Bucks don’t have much to offer in return for picks except multiple 2nd rounders. Chicago at 17, Celtics at 19, Atlanta at 22 are the only ones really left as options with those picks. I feel like the Bucks would have to trade 15 down now to pick up a 2nd 1st rounder. Like OKC for 21 and 26. Not sure I like that so much anymore after all these trades.
I kind of liked the 21/26 move...
But then having added another 2nd rounder I don’t see it. Then again, the Bucks could do that and then just sell off a couple of the 2nd rounders.
by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
New post is up...
Lot of it is just summarizing stuff we’ve covered in our conversations, but hopefully you’ll find some new stuff too…
http://www.brewhoop.com/2010/6/23/1532795/beyond-maggette-and-cdr-what-next
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