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Beyond Maggette and CDR: What next for the Bucks?

If you thought the Bucks' big day of trading would answer some of our questions about their offseason plans, think again. With Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts now in the fold for 2011, the Bucks are no doubt a more capable offensive bunch than they were on Tuesday Morning, but new questions are now open for discussion. How does Maggette's contract affect the Bucks' cap situation going forward? Does John Salmons still have a role with Maggette under contract for three seasons? Are the Bucks more likely to go big at 15 with two new wings in the fold? Can they add a lights-out shooter to complement the slashing games of Maggette and CDR? And what to do with all those second round picks? [breathes deeply]

We've had some great conversation in the comments on most of these topics over the last day or two, but after the jump I've done my best to catalog the facts, rumors, quotes, and of course my own reckless speculation.

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How does Maggette's contract affect the Bucks' cap situation?

Swapping Bell and Gadzuric for Maggette and CDR lowers the Bucks' cap number by around $700k this year, giving the Bucks $51.3 million committed to 10 players, including the 15th overall pick (at 120% of scale) and Darnell Jackson's NG'ed deal. The Bucks will still only have the MLE and BAE to sign outside free agents, in addition to the Bird rights they have on Salmons, Luke Ridnour, and Kurt Thomas. They also should have a ton of room under the luxury tax, which will likely be just under $70 million.  So if they re-signed both Salmons and Ridnour while bringing three second round picks into camp they'd already be at the maximum 15 roster spots. That means they wouldn't have room to sign someone like Drew Gooden with their MLE, though they could certainly get one or more big men in the draft. For that reason all indications are that the Bucks will move at least one of the seconds (see below).

As for 2011, the Bucks should still have plenty of cap room even after adding Maggette's long-term deal. Including the 2010 first rounder, the Bucks have less than $33 million committed to six players as of now. That means they'd have plenty of work to do to fill out 13-15 roster spots, but it also means they would have significant cap room to do it. With the current CBA they should have plenty of room to sign a max free agent, but given the long odds of that let's just say they could sign multiple second-tier guys (like Carl Landry).

All that space is one reason why I'm less opposed to the Maggette deal now than when it was first suggested. Yes, he's probably overpaid, but it's not like paying $11 million to Gadzuric and Bell year in and year out. You're at least getting some value for that $10 million, and with no other fat on the payroll after 2011, you've got plenty of freedom to sign free agents or try to absorb salaries via trade. The picture changes a bit if the Bucks decide to re-sign Salmons or Ridnour to multi-year deals or if they use their full MLE this summer. But again, it's only a huge deal if you were hoping to sign a monster free agent. Check out the details below:

 

What becomes of John Salmons and the Bucks 2/3 rotation?

All summer I've been sounding like a broken record whenever the Bucks' needs are mentioned. Athletic big man and scoring wing. Athletic big man and scoring wing. The good news is that acquiring Maggette and CDR in many ways addresses the swingman issue, though at this point it's also worth noting that not all wings do the same things. The 09/10 Bucks were seriously short on attacking ability, and thankfully both Maggette and CDR do plenty of that. But neither is an accomplished three point shooter, and even Maggette may be best suited to coming off the bench as an efficient but ball-dominating second unit scorer.

That's why John Hammond was sure to reiterate the Bucks' interest in re-signing Salmons when discussing the Maggette deal. Via the JS:

"Regarding John, in this deal we have about a $1.5 million savings that we could apply to something if need be for this off-season and we created a roster spot on top of that," said Hammond. "This has nothing to do with John (as far as) hindering him to come back. More so, it strengthens the position.

"Add a piece like Corey Maggette to the team we had last year and I think we’re better. We would love to have John Salmons back here and I think he knows how badly we want him back and our intention is to do that. Whether we can get that done, who knows? But our hope is to do that."

I have to think Salmons and Maggette could coexist, and in a perfect world I'd love to see Salmons/Delfino starting with Maggette playing 25-30 mpg off the bench--the same role he flourished in with the Warriors and Clippers. OK, maybe "flourished" is the wrong word, but he was willing to do it and it's easier to stomach a ball-hog when he's doing most of his work with the second unit. So it's obvious for Hammond to say nothing has changed, since the Bucks would still be happy to have Salmons...for the right price.

The Salmons questions is a very different matter financially, as the Bucks will likely have to pay a fair bit to keep the 30-year-old in Bucks colors for a second season. It all depends on how silly other teams' offers get, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Salmons command three years and $22-27 million on the open market. Given how many teams have cap space that number could be higher, but then again the specter of a new CBA and an uncertain economy will likely mitigate the free spending we might otherwise see. With Salmons the problem is as much the length of the contract as the dollars--do the Bucks really want to have two good-but-not-great wings in their early 30s making upwards of $20 million per season combined? In 2010 it's a tempting scenario--imagine if the Bucks of last year had a more mature Jennings next to Salmons for a full season and a scorer of Maggette's ability off the bench. But how about when Salmons and Maggette are 32 and 33? At that point the Bucks might be wishing they had saved their money for younger options. 

But a major benefit of the Maggette deal is that the Bucks don't have to panic if Salmons prices himself out of their budget. While the Bucks' 2011 cap number is actually lower after yesterday's deals, it would be silly if the Bucks didn't lower their willingness to pay for Salmons now that their swingman rotation has been fortified with Maggette and CDR. If I had to guess I'd say Salmons gets a silly offer from a team with cap space that strikes out with the big names, and at that point it simply wouldn't make sense for the Bucks to match it. If he can be had for two years, $14 million?  Hmm...

How do the Bucks address their frontcourt issues? With the 15th pick?

Going big at 15 would be the obvious "need" move, but it's not clear that the Bucks are in love with the frontcourt options available there.  Billy McKinney last week refuted that a promise had been made to Larry Sanders and went so far as to suggest he would be a stretch for the Bucks at 15, though DraftExpress is among those now projecting Sanders will be the pick. McKinney sounded even more dismissive of Hassan Whiteside, and Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich and Ekpe Udoh are likely to be gone by the time the Bucks pick 15th.

It's very possible one of them falls, but as of now it seems more plausible that the Bucks are left with some combination of wings to choose from: Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, and James Anderson. I'd hazard that only Anderson is guaranteed to be there, but it wouldn't be surprising if any of them slip to 15. More importantly, all of them have outside shooting skills that would complement the slashing style of the Bucks' newest acquisitions. That's useful given that, for the moment at least, Carlos Delfino is the only swingman under contract with three point range.

So the Bucks continue to say they'll go best player available at 15, and it's tough to argue with that philosophy. Hammond provided Jim Paschke some insight into their thinking yesterday, noting that the Bucks had a grouping of 3-5 guys they would be targeting at 15:

If the Bucks don't go big at 15, they would then have further chances to add size by either trading up into the late first or with all the second round picks. To that end they've worked out a ton of big men who could be in play late in the first or second round, namely Tiny Gallon, Craig Brackins, Gani Lawal, Charles Garcia, Ryan Richards, Derrick Caracter, and Samardo Samuels. Brackins and Lawal figure to be the first of that group to go, though Gallon seems to be the guy getting the most buzz of late--you're guess is as good as mine as to whether it's justified. And don't overlook the possibility that Whiteside or Daniel Orton could also crash into the late first or even second round. Orton's situation is particularly interesting since he stopped working out for teams despite rumors that his surgically repaired knee could be a long-term issue.

If the Bucks don't get a rotation-worthy big (or two) in the draft then they can still use their MLE/BAE to target big man depth in July. Drew Gooden is the most obvious name we've thrown around to target with part of the MLE, though the Bucks could also add a cheaper name as well. With Gadzuric gone, Andrew Bogut is suddenly the only center on the payroll, so the Bucks will presumably be adding at least a couple guys who can provide minutes at center. Gadzuric's departure also increases the chance the Bucks try to bring back Kurt Thomas, though as mentioned in the comments it's been suggested he might try to sign with a title contender. We'll see. I'd love to add a young 4/5 to go with one more year of KT, but maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic.

Are the Bucks really going to keep four picks?

Hammond told WSSP today that it was "probably not feasible" to keep four rookies on the roster going into next season, suggesting it was likely the Bucks would keep 15 and 37 but possibly move 44/47 for cash or future considerations. Makes sense--the Bucks already have nine veterans under contract, so they would only be able to add two more vets if they had three second rounders and their first going into camp. Still, remember that Hammond did not give up one of this year's picks in the CDR deal, either because he wants more ammo for the next 24 hours, New Jersey didn't want another pick this year (they already have #3, 27, 31), or both. 

I'd like to think that's Hammond having more tricks up his sleeve, but it takes two to tango. And if the Bucks are going to move into the late first round then those second round picks look like good ammo to do it. [Update: Gery Woelfel writes the Bucks are indeed looking to add a later first] Another option would be trying to move up into the lottery, but McKinney all but dismissed that possibility last week and Paul Imig writes that Hammond is singing a similar tune:

“Right now I think today that we might be able to get the same player at 15 that we can get at 12,” Hammond said.  “It’s that upper-tier, that top seven or eight players, which would be hard to get to for us, I think.”

Who else could be in play?

We all know Michael Redd is the Bucks' last remaining bad contract, but as an expiring deal we also know he could be used to acquire actual talent before next February's trade deadline. For instance, before the Maggette trade we were speculating a bit on the possibility of using Redd's expiring deal as the centerpiece of a trade for Andre Iguodala and his $55 million contract.

Though Gery Woelfel writes that the Bucks are "shopping" Redd, I'm not sure how much that really means. My guess has been that Redd won't be traded until closer to the trade deadline, simply because no one really knows if or when he might be back on the court this year. Barring a miraculous recovery, it's likely that any team acquiring Redd would be doing it purely for cap relief (sending the Bucks longer-term obligations in return), and it's important to note that his $18.3 million contract will be 80% insured until he steps back on the court. So from a heartless economic standpoint--which, let's be honest, is how other GMs have to view it--Redd's value as a trading asset is much higher if he's unable to return. I really have no idea how the Bucks will handle Redd's return, but I can only assume he won't be rushed back into action as quickly as he was last year. Whether that means he's back in November, December, January or never...I have no idea. And until a potential trade partner can figure it out, I'm not sure why another team would be willing to do a deal unless they were trying to make a deal as soon as possible.

In contrast, Carlos Delfino is the one Buck who's clearly more valuable than anyone else...for the next week at least.  Because Carlito's $3.5 million salary for 10/11 is only guaranteed to the tune of $500k until the end of June, he's a potentially invaluable asset to a team like Miami that's trying to clear more cap space before July. That's why earlier today Miami gave away their 18th pick and Daequan Cook for nothing more than OKC's 32nd overall pick (I haven't looked into it, but I assume OKC used a trade exception to absorb Cook's salary).

As far as I can tell, the Bucks could ship Delfino and Darnell Jackson to Miami for Michael Beasley, merely so Miami could cut Delfino and Jackson. They'd owe Delfino $500k but otherwise they'd be free of the $4.962 million owed Beasley. The Bucks would have Beasley (I know...) and could try to re-sign Delfino later in the summer, though they'd have to use part of the MLE to do it. If you really want to keep Delfino then that move essentially means the Bucks use their MLE to get Beasley rather than Gooden or some other FA. I'm guessing the Bucks might consider Beasley too much of a handful to be worth the risk, but if you're looking to potentially hit a home run out of nothing then you have to consider it, don't you?

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Kurt Thomas

Re-signing KT is crucial I think this offseason as well. If we can re-sign Salmons and Ridnour, I think bringing back KT would be a lot easier. We may be title contenders in the East when it’s all said and done. Stack and KT were the level headed vets in the locker room, crucial for helping out Skiles and crew with these youngsters.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 23, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I like KT for the continuity

Even if we pick up a nice big in the draft there’s no guarantee that guy is ready to be a consistent rotation guy—especially if he’s a second rounder. KT definitely gives us that vet presence and he can still defend in the post and be a fill-in guy. I’m not sure what the market will be for KT but I’d guess it won’t be much more than the minimum ($1.352 million for 10+ yr vet)…bigger question is if he wants to come back to MKE.

by Frank Madden on Jun 23, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like the optimism but lets not get ahead of ourselves here... we still have a talent deficit compared to the other contending teams in the East

Cleveland/Chicago(aka whichever East team gets LeBron) would be more talented then us…
Miami will be more talented than us when Amare, Boozer, or Bosh join Wade in Miami
Orlando is more talented…
Atlanta I’d still argue is if they retain Joe Johnson and will now maybe have a coach that isn’t a total dummie
Boston still probably would be as well despite getting older…

I think our upside for next season would be the 3rd seed if all falls into place and most likely somewhere in the 4th-7th seed…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

He seemed to like his time in Milw...

I’d be all for KT for 1 yr at the minimum, even a lil more, if need be.

by victor s on Jun 23, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

One more random nugget
Al- Farouq Aminu may be in for a long night tomorrow, word is he may slide to Milwaukee at #15. The Clippers are the X factor; they have both Farouq and Gordon Hayward on their board, with sources saying Hayward leads the discussion today.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16549#ixzz0rk9exIOS

Aminu’s a really interesting prospect but I’m worried he’s more likely to be a tweener who can’t shoot than the next Josh Smith. OK, Josh Smith is a tweener who can’t shoot, but you get my drift. At 15 I woudn’t complain, but he’s a guy who might be a bit overrated based on physical potential.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 12:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Collection of mocks from JS

Note that Ford and DX will definitely be updating their mocks up until the draft tomorrow night. Also, I have no idea who some of these writers are, but I’m sure some of them know even less than we do.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97039109.html

Thomsen’s pick of Orton is the most scary/bizarre IMO. Usually like his stuff and I know he’s connected around the league, but I don’t see any signs pointing to the Bucks going with Orton given the questions about his knee, lack of production, doesn’t fill most pressing need, etc.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I really like

Xavier Henry, Patrick Patterson, or Cole Aldrich for the Bucks

Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers

by MJ5 on Jun 24, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Happy Draft Day !!!

Thanks Frank for your wonderful article this morning. You have definately framed the discussion well.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

What are the chances

That Maggette doesn’t fit into Skiles’ system and is banished to the bench while CDR doesn’t improve by leaving New Jersey? Of course, that’s a question to be asked of all acquisitions. I just wonder if it’s more or less likely with these guys.

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Decent chance

To be honest I’m not sure Maggette going to the bench would be banishment—if we get another decent swingman Skiles could do it simply as a strategic move. But you’re right he could be Redd 2.0…a good guy who just doesn’t play well with others.

CDR is a low-risk gamble IMO…good chance he scores a bit but needs a lot of shots and doesn’t do enough other things. The fact that he puts up points can blind people to his lack of overall effectiveness, but hopefully Skiles gets the most out of him.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more what if Maggette winds up in the Charlie Bell DNP-CD role

Is he too talented for that to happen? I’m probably being too cynical, thinking about how badly things could turn out.

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That woul be worst case scenario

And nobody wants 10 million a year rotting on a bench. I think he’s way to talented for that to happen, but Skiles has his priorities.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only way Maggette doesn't play

is if he’s hurt or has some type of personality clash with Skiles. Otherwise, worst case he’s 7th man.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be fine in Skiles system...

Maggette may see it as a breathe of fresh air to be on a competent team and he will definitely get his shots off the bench…

CDR is still young and should improve a bit by next season… he is good at creating shots… if he could add a 3pt game to his arsenal he would really be valuable…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Likely choices

Out of these names (as listed in the article): Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, and James Anderson - Given the choice of any of these, I gotta go with Paul George. I would be tempted also to take Anderson because of his defensive skills.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

If Paul is availible you gotta take him.

Otherwise, Anderson fits the need. I’m not convinced in Henry, or Babbit, is the BPA at that time. I guess my third choise is Gordon Hayward

That’s it I guess, I’m ok with the choice of Hayward. It was nothing but fear-of-white. I’ll admit it. If it’s Hayward, I wont be disapointed.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could live with Hayward

He’s kind of the anti-Maggette—young, weak, unselfish, should be a solid perimeter shooter. Maybe not BPA but at least he would fit into the rotation pretty cleanly.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

My draft day prediction

The Bucks will trade 15 (and 37?) to OKC for 18 and 26.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

What is your reasoning?

Why would OKC want to move up/who are they looking at for 15 that wouldn’t be there at 18?

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are supposedly trying to trade with Indiana for 10th

Rumor has it they think Hayward will go 10 to Indiana so they are offering Eric Maynor, 18, and 26 to Indy for the 10th pick. If he slips by Indy, the Bucks are the next favorite to take Hayward I believe.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I think it would be a good move for the Bucks unless one of the lottery talents falls…but I’m not convinced the Bucks see enough separation even then. If they really do like Sanders and want a late first that should accomplish both.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, here we go...

The first non lottery draft for the Bucks since 1998. Time to make the most of it.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought we had no first rounders at all in 2006...?

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...just checked

We had the 15th in the ‘06 draft which we sent to Chicago for some reason – don’t remember why – and we took David Noel with the 39th.

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

DX now has us taking Sanders

Wonder if Givony is hearing things…he has us now passing on Hayward at 15.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting ...

This is the first mock to have us picking Sanders, correct?

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's the first time DX has gone that route

I believe they had him 16th to Minny for the past week. They also have us going Willie Warren at 37.

Ford’s mock yesterday has us taking Henry (he’s been going to us for the past couple mocks) and Stephenson 37.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also

OKC leaked they may take Sanders at 18 so that could be a smokescreen at the Bucks so they pass on Hayward and he falls into OKC’s lap.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

makes total sense.....Sanders or if one of the other bigs drops....seems like a no brainer....

I know they have liked Hayward all along but I believe they were calling others out trying to push Hayward up and get a big to fall…….even if they like Hayward it makes little sense when you say you have Maggette, CDR and you want Salmons back even if all three are not pure shooters

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woelfel: Bucks looking to add late first

No shocker there. Also mentions we’ll consider Cole Aldrich and James Anderson despite not working out for us. Also not a shocker.

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/article_536101e8-7f47-11df-a348-001cc4c002e0.html

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

With Thomas most likely leaving...

and Gadz now gone… They need a true center on the payroll. I would not be heartbroken if Aldrich is taken and gets to mature under Bogut. I think its a pretty sound move.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be heartbroken

Although I recognize needing depth at the position, I much rather do it through free agency.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aldrich would be a draft day let down IMO

If the Bucks pick Aldrich I’d be disappointed. He’s only 6’10" or 6’11" with limited athleticism (undersized). I’d rather hold the 44th and pick Jerome Jordan or Tibor Pliess.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We have drafted our allotment of Big White Hopes over the years.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes sir!!

Aldrich… would/should be an excellent PF/C off the bench, IMO.

I think he could be similar to B Haywood/Camby.

 Just don’t expect him to be the next Ewing, and you’ll be happy : )

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Their proven NBA players with height and would be upgrades to our bench, but...

they just don’t add much other than height. Neither can hold their weight on the offensive end of the floor. I would like to see the Bucks look at players with reasonable size for each position and offensive skills that are willing to work hard to play defense within a system. These guys are great defensive assets with minimal offense. Both overpaid for what they offer.

Aldrich: every team can use drafting can use another big man, but 14 of them would have to pass on Aldrich for him to fall to us. Their’s good reason he’s falling. He’s undersized and other prospects can give what he’s offering. He’s got center skills with a PF body (6’11" 235lb, thats 1" taller and 5lbs less than Ilyasova). I’d rather they took Soloman Alabi. Honestly, their just aren’t many good centers in this draft.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Alibi is so polished offensively?

not sure about that one.

Aldrich has better offensive numbers than Alibi does. And defensively.

He avergaed 4 more rb/game and over 1 block/more than alibi. I’ll take Aldrich, just not with the 15th pick. If we can get him between 20-30, I’ll be just fine with it.

Camby can hold his own on the defensive end of the floor still, and he’s old as dirt. I would have loved to have Camby from his Knick.

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Didn’t say Alabi was more polished offensive, he’s more sizable and better defensively. More athletic. I’d say about equal IQ. Worse offensively, but more upside.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rebounding?!!!

You didn’t mention that.

Any team would LOVE to have either Haywood or Camby. Centers who defend, rebound, and block shots will ALWAYS be sought after. Very sought after….

Not every 7 footer is gonna be Kareem or Duncan….

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to leave this one alone

becaue neither of them will be on the Bucks.

Aldrich may, but I’d be disappointed if they took him at 15.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Aldrich's size

He was only 6’9" without shoes but 7’5" wingspan and 9’4" standing reach. Both of those are probably more relevant measures of size and they’re both bigger than Bogut for instance. If he’s never more than an average big man I don’t think it will be because he’s too small.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely would be drafting for need over best player, which is something you cannot do in the first twenty. That’s how folks get Julian Wright, Raef LaFrentz and a thousand others whose names escape me for good reason.

by MadTown Hoops on Jun 24, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aldrich very well could be the BPA at #15...

Maybe not the highest “upside” but could be the BPA…

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't even have Primoz on the payroll anymore

Though I’m hoping we can re-sign him for $8-10 mil per season :)

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew it all along,

Frank Madden is actually the Alter Ego oh…… Larry Harris

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take him back at $8-10M Guyana dollars

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 24, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I shudder at the thought...

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ford 7.0: Still Henry...but maybe Sanders
The Bucks addressed some of their needs at the wing position this week by trading for Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts. But sources in Milwaukee say the addition of both players won’t affect their draft strategy. Of the players left on the board, Henry looks to be the best value by far. He can play either the 2 or 3 and can shoot the lights out.

Another player to watch here is VCU’s Larry Sanders. If the Bucks go big, I’m hearing he’s the guy.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-100624

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

So good you had to post it twice? ;)

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyway, If Henry's left, I'd pick him in a heartbeat

A good shooter is what this team is lacking. That way we could have Maggette playing SF and Henry at the 2 guard. But it depends on who’s also left.

I

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Content with Henry

He seems like a real nice kid too.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like this mock

Xavier Henry, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Booker, and Jerome Jordan. That is A-OK by me. I’d be overly satisfied.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Henry....

But I don’t see him lasting until 15……

Would be happy w/ Sanders, Anderson, Aldrich, or Hayward at 15….

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Did the Bucks work out Avery Bradley???

If so, did they like him???

I think he’d be a reach at 15 – but he supposedly has lock-down D and can get to the hoop.

Just curious….

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

No, his agent said he wouldn't work out here

I’ve always had something against SGs in PG bodies…and I just wonder if a guy like that can ever be a starter, especially next to a small guy like Brandon.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be a very solid back-up for BJ3 tho

I’d say in 2 yrs he’d be a great upgrade to Ridnour as a backup PG. Ridnour doesn’t have the best court vision either, but definitely doesn’t defend like Bradley. Either way, he won’t be in a Bucks jersey next season.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

DO NOT TAKE STEPHENSON!!!! DO NOT TAKE STEPHENSON!!!!

He is a less-talented, more dangerous version of J.R. Rider.

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Troubled past blah blah...

Everybody screws up as a kid. At 19 and 20 most of us were developing alcoholism and vandalizing. And he’s from NYC too…I can only imagine the trouble I would have gotten into in NYC growing up in comparison to MKE. People grow up. I’m more worried about having the leadership around the locker room to develop any picks personality into a mature adult. 1 of every 2 of these picks has a head case one way or another. John Wall was arrested for robbery (breaking and entering) in High School, they aren’t questioning his personality enough to get Evan Turner.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And "they" the Wizards have a locker room full of headcases

Arenas, McGee, Blatche, Crittenton are all well documented problems.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

This kid is a thug....

Straight up – and a VERY selfish player. Skiles would choke him in a minute….

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is a thug?

I’m serious. I agree with FearTheDear. That does not mean I would necessarily take Stephenson.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

M-W Definition

Thug: a brutal ruffian

Synonyms: Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest, Josh Smith, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or a rapscallion

I should also note that I don’t mind guys who are thuggish on the court…you need at least one or two of those guys (KT!) It’s the off-court stuff I want to avoid like the plague…

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not the next Jayson Williams

I mean Gary Payton, Sam Cassell, MJ, Barkely, Antoine Walker. All had problems off the court too.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe could probably help him through this

He’s faced much more publicized off court issues.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also has a terrible shot-selection and is a VERY selfish player....

I’m sure Skiles would choke him within a week….

He’s much more suited to be on "AND1’ or whatever that crap is called. He’s playground and always will be.

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Understoof

Look, I am not saying there are not red flags with this dude. But there are a lot of examples of athletes straightening up, simply by being surrounded by “good” guys or a good coach who can work with them. I am thinking about football and how the possibility of winning a Super Bowl for the Packers would have increased tenfold had we drafted Randy Moss. I just sense a lot of “holier than thou” attitude from fans these days (not saying YOU are victor).

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah... no $hit....

but most learn/embrace a team concept when they start playing organized hoops – usually by middle school.

When I say “playground” I mean he’s a one-on-one selfish player, who doesn’t get a team concept – nor does he want to.

He’s all about individual, highlight reel

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

...That'll take a while

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.... fine.... i'm not gonna argue with you

How about his sexual assault charge? Is that enough to sway you?

and his play makes Iverson look like John Stockton…. how’s that for selfish???

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sway me?

I don’t need swaying. I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I just don’t see the point in slamming someone, that’s all. If you take pleasure in that, fine.

Like I said. The Bucks won’t be taking him – probably. So the entire discussion is moot.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

And lastly ...

I take every sexual assault CHARGE of a celebrity, athlete, whatever with a huge grain of salt. There are plenty of golddiggers out there just waiting to get their grubby hands on these guys $$$$. Thus, I do NOT feel sorry for any of the gals Tiger Woods nailed …not a bit.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me.

They gave me a promise.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scouting Report: Speedingtime McSpeedyballs

Predraft measurements: 5’9’’ w/o shoes, 5’11.25’’ w/ shoes, 5’4.5’’ wingspan, Bench Press: 2, 3/4 court sprint:7.3

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

McSpeedyballs?

I’m disappointed. And those measurements are far too good for me.

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

A 5’4.5 wingspan

Is that even possible?

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your 5'11

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said ...

I am not sure I would draft him, but I am sure that maybe, just maybe, I would take a second-round flier on him.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I assume if the Bucks draft Stephenson his background will check out

Some very sketchy stuff in there, no idea whether it’s real or BS. Bucks aren’t the kind of team to take a cancer, but at that age there’s a lot of guesswork too.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

After much thought (too much) ...this is the guy I want on the Bucks

James Anderson ….Someone has 6+ hours to convince me otherwise. Mind you, I am predicated this partially on who would be available.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

NBA ready

That is what I have read on him several times. I am glad we could agree on this Victor ;)

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Bucks get another first rounder

They can pick Anderson at 15 and still get a decent big man lower in the round. This draft is big-man rich, and although not many projected superstars at this position, the Bucks don;t need a “stud” PF.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.... ; )

I don’t know about his D – but he’s supposedly a lights-out shooter, which the Bucks need.

The big knock on him is that he’s not a slasher/get your own shot type – which we now have two of [CDR, CM]

I guess he’s also very experienced in the pick n roll – which is vital for todays NBA.

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I remember a young Ray Allen

He was knocked for not being a creater/slasher. I have heard that Anderson’s D is good. Again (and please Frank, chime in), evaluating defense from college to pro is difficult, especially at the guard position.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just re-read DX's profile

I kind of wonder if Anderson’s upside is Redd…which isn’t meant as an insult. Same size, not an exceptional athlete but still gets to the line a ton, very good shooter from everywhere even though his 3fg% doesn’t wow you, questionable defense, not much of a passer. I doubt he’ll be a 20+ ppg guy in the NBA, but he could be that type of player.

The tough part is figuring out what happens when an entire offense doesn’t revolve around him. Is he Jodie Meeks or Marcus Thornton? Presumably his defensive effort will go up, but some guys need touches to get into a game. I’d probably prefer Henry simply because he’s younger, should be a better defender, and already showed he could be a role-playing shooter at Kansas.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough to argue with that assessment

I would not be unhappy if Henry was the guy. I am to the point of, OK, let’s do this. We are fast approaching “paralysis by analysis” country ..hehe …..

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And unless X, Patterson, Davis, or Udoh fall to 15....

Anderson is probably the BPA, while filling a position of need. win win

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Patterson.....

NBA.com consensus mock draft has P Patterson falling out of the lottery.

Interesting…..

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I love that Beasley idea

Sure sounds like he’s available, fills a need, and not a huge risk.

Full disclosure: I’m a Celtics fan and I don’t know the Bucks’ situation very well. I just think that it sounds like a good idea.

by Black Bird on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I love the Beasley idea, too!!!!

You said it, Black Bird. I couldn’t agree more.

Frank nailed it when he said he can’t often get that kind of talent on a rookie contract for cheap…. Unless the Bucks know something we don’t, I don’t see how they pass him up…

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently Nets and Minny could get him if they want

Through similar types of deals:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5322877

I’m pretty sure the mechanics work as I described them…would love to know if the Bucks even talked to the Heat or if they just have no interest in Beasley.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably an issue of future picks/second rounders

Presumably the Heat would want a 2011 first as part of the deal, and it’s more likely that the Nets and Wolves will be in the lottery again than the Bucks.

At least I hope Riley would try to get that. Also maybe some second rounders tonight, which the Wolves and Bucks would be willing to throw in, but certainly not the Nets.

Actually I don’t know why the Nets would help the Heat out with salary relief at all, since they are huge rivals for free agents.

by Black Bird on Jun 24, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Delfino's a very similar type of deal

I imagine the Bucks wouldn’t give up a future 1st and Delfino for Beasley…I wouldn’t fault them too much for that, though odds are Beasley’s better than anyone the Bucks will be able to pick next year (hopefully we’ll have a pick in the 20s :).

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think someone with Beasleys talent, size, and age is too good to not take a chance on...

Hammond has shown that he’s not afraid to cut loose a player that doesn’t pan out…

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Selfish?

I sense Beasley is, although maybe it’s just immaturity. I know the situation in Miami was tough, and I am not sure D-wade is an easy guy to play with. That being said, I would not scoff at the Bucks if they wanted to explore this.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a Lot of Options

Looking at the salaries at ShamSports, with recent trades the Bucks don’t have a lot of deadweight. Delfino and Darnell Jackson are the only players whose contracts and status make them attractive trade bait. With our host of second rounders, we could look to move into the late first, a la OKC. There we would find Stephenson and Sanders.

by MadTown Hoops on Jun 24, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Ford chat...on trades/draft:
I liked both of them for Milwaukee. Yes, they took on some money, but it’s not as bad as people are making it out to be because they also owed a lot of money to Gadzurich and Bell. Maggette and CDR will help in the scoring department. The defense? Not so much. As far as draft goes, I’ve been told it will have no bearing. I think Xavier Henry, Patrick Patterson and a dark horse, Larry Sanders are all in the mix here.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/33085

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I think my favorite part is the eight-year vet's name being misspelled

Not intentional, I know, but Danny G can’t even get his press mentions right.

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Kevin McHale misspronouncing his name during the Hawks series

I swear he said it a different way each time…

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

im on board the Hammonds check shirt express.....

we get Sanders at 15, or if one of the other bigs falls from Patterson, Udoh, Aldrich—-makes total sense now that there is no back up for Bogut, Davis—please, Aminu-please again

we move up into the late first grab Jordan Crawford……unless Dominique Jones, Anderson amazingly are still around……….

and take a swing with Gallon, Garcia, Booker etc in the 2nd

Hammonds tells us he loves everyone, I drink the kool aid and agree totally
easy peasy

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

If we get a second late first

Then I think passing on someone like Anderson makes sense—presumably someone like Crawford or Stephenson would be the target.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Delfino gets traded, And Salmons isnt resigned.....im all over CDR as the most improved player this early

dude has mad skills, combined with a good stupid slap from Skiles and some folksy advice from Hammonds…….what a trade

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

on Gordon Hayward

I have a sense that there will be 5-10 players drafted AFTER him that will have better NBA careers.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Lol

I know, Jason Williams was an angel.

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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

THE Ryan Leaf?!

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different Sport, Different Issues

Ben Roethlesberger has some serious off field issues.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Andersen, Jason Williams

But you’re right, white guys tend to get the benefit of the doubt on character stuff…different story when it comes to athleticism.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you could put Hayward on my "NO" list....

But I have just a lil more faith in him than whiteside or stephenson….

I just saw that X Henry has a biigger wingspan than all the other SGs – 6’ 11-1/2"

WOW!

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

regarding Hayward........

its about expectations I guess…..if you want a someone in between Budinger and Korver yeah take a swing………but talk of him playing a bit of PF or SG even cmon lets be serious…..kid will be ok if people expect a good solid 2nd unit guy at the start not an impact starter

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly

It will be about “need” and “expectation.” I have heard that Indiana is frothing over him, which is understandable but absurd. They would be going “homer” all the way with that pick.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine being an Indiana supporter taking Hansborough

then moving up to 10 the next year and taking Hayward……yikes….or they may like it

dude a team with Hansborough, Hayward and Dunleavy jnr on the same team…..you cant script it

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry Bird just bought another can of whitewash

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bird

“So, uh… About this Brian Cardinal guy, think you could throw him in? I need a white guy to balance it all out”

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn is like I neeeeeeeeeddd TJ Ford Laaaarrryyyy I need PG's!!!!!!!!!

one in one out…..but David you run the triangle anyway……we do? Kurt!!! Kurt

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

MOAR PGS MOAR

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad the Wolves

couldn’t get the number 1 pick.

John Wall here we come!

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

I like how in that picture of Hammond he’s staring off into the distance glowingly…

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Btw anyone else think Johnson at 3 is a huge mistake?

I’d be shocked if Favors/Cousins don’t have much better careers. Johnson’s 23 and didn’t dominate at the collegiate level…’nuff said.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do.

Favors or Cousins are just too good to pass up, if you ask me. But the Nets are probably just trying to throw everybody off.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think its the biggest piss take.....No chance right?

they are just messing with Kahn…..cant pass on Favors

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sacramento could be laughing all the way to the bank

Love Cousins at #5. Monroe is OK too, but I’d roll the dice on the biggest talent.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old man

Brian Cardinal looks older than I do, and I am 47. lol

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep - and at #15, ya gotta be happy if you get a good role-player...

It’d be great to hit a home-run, but people expect WAY to much from draft picks sometimes.

The whole process is a giant crap shoot….

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Projection

You can project a Hayward better than a Sanders or Whiteside. You already know what he CAN do; just a matter of if any of his current skills will increase his upside. Take Udoh. He is already 23. How much better is he going to be? You can make a reasonable guess because he is older.

There’s a quote in baseball circles that says “there’s no such thing as a pitching prospect.” It’s kind of the same for big men entering the NBA draft.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

its like Orton its a trainwreck waiting to happen if you pick him in the top 20

but late 1st definitely 2nd take a swing he may be nothing but if he can block shots and rebound he will stick and make you look smart as

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Shooting Stars

I wonder how many calls the Bucks have made to try to acquire picks 2-6. My dream scenario is that the Bucks figure out how to land Derrick Favors without giving up BJ3 and Bogut. I think thats everybodies dream.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

At least 5

1 to each team, they got the dial tone each time after their proposal…loll

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except for the Warriors

The first thing thy would have asked is “how much money are you giving me?”

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So off topic a bit ....

Where does David Stern want King James to go? Does he care about the rest of the free agents? I will laugh at whatever team gets 2 of them, but never wins a championship.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

He's leaning towards wanting them to stay

The system is made for teams to keep their players, so he wants players to take advantage, I guess.

He also said this: “Come July 1, just about anything goes but before July 1, nothing goes,” said Stern. "I suppose if the Governor wants to sing a song to the tune of “We Are The World” or New York Magazine wants to do a cover with LeBron in a Knicks uniform, the last time I looked my jurisdiction has its limitations. It’s kind of interesting and fun but I’d rather watch Lakers-Suns and Celtics-Magic."

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

New York

I am 98% convinced he wants James in NY. Stern is an elitist “big city” commish and is all about image. I personally think he is the worst Commissionr of ANY sport in the last 30 years. He has helped to turn the NBA into an individual superstar sport, not a team sport. He doesn’t do ANYthing for the smaller markets.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

He’s also let the officiating and conspiracy theories get out of hand, not to mention all the teams that have moved during his tenure.

He’s also a closet Knicks fan…

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Calling that one ref a "rogu"e referee. That was BS. The officiating and favoritism encourage such shenanigans by the refs.

by tommyr on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah right... Bud Selig is way worse...

Stern has done a pretty good job of internationalizing the NBA and markets his players better than any other sports league… maybe not the best commish but certainly not the worst…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cousins

But it’s a tough call cuz I barely saw either play…

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

as a sixers fan, we worked both of them out and i read that cousins out played favors so idk what that means for favors stock….but his amare stoudumire meeeting dwight howard potential will still lock him up a top 5 spot

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favors for the Bucks

He’d be a perfect match for BJ3 and Bogut. Cousins may be better elsewhere tho.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cousins for sure...

I think Cousins reaches his potential and all these character isses don’t amount to anything… I do like Favors a bunch though…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

sixers, bucks trade

im from philly and im a diehard sixers fan and i wanna kno if what u’s think of this trade….

elton brand and jason kapono for micheal redd

im thinkin u’s might wanna do it cuz uj’s could use another big like brand (i think bogut could complement him cuz he hasnt played along with another good big man since kaman) to help their team and movin redd will make it easier to keep salmons….kapono is still a sharp shooter and will help in tbhat department if redd is gone…also redd hasnt played alot in any recent season….

C. Andrew Bogut
PF. Elton Brand
SF. Correy Maggette
SG. John Salmons
PG. Brandon Jennings

Key Reserves – Stackhouse, Ridnour, Delfino, Mbah a Moute, Thomas, CDR

thats a pretty good squad maybe even a contender in the east

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Meh

Not going for the big contract. Sorry, I’ll have to veto this.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahah sorry for the thought…dont blame ya tho i dont want him either

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it wasn't such a big contract, I'd like it.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah ill just pull out a tooth everytime brand plays bad this year, i’ll be lookin like carl landry after dirks elbow to the mouth but i’ll till have 2nd pick lol its turner time in philly

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Iguodala will still be a Sixer by the end of the season?

I think it’s worth trying to play him with Turner, but it seems like they need to deal somebody and I don’t know why anyone would touch Brand’s deal unless they got paid off to do it.

by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha I once thought Maggette's contract was immovable...I learnt the hard way ;)

No way Brand gets moved without the 2nd pick, only Eddy Curry would be harder to move literally as well as figuratively

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

ehh idk cuz as much as the turner/holiday/iguodala combo makes me cream my pants u cant forget how desprettly they tried tradin him last deadline….unless they get a reallly good deal for him this offseason i think theyll keep him to see if turner can be that 1st opption to complement and make him better….if it doesnt seem so i doubt he’ll be a sixers cuz i think one of brand or iggy has to leave this year and iggy is the only one with real value

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

it really was but the season before, they scared detriot and would have beat them if they werent raped in the halfcourt game and brand was thought to be that guy that could counter that effect and make us into a 50+ win team but it went really wrong….now i wish we woulda signed josh smith cuz he wanted to come here but we picked brand over him :(((((

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

lets just swap redd for kapono

by Thomas Wan on Jun 24, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other news

I move to DC a year and a half ago so as a secondary Wizards fan.

Kirk Heinrich and 17th pick to the Wiz

Why that interests Bucks fans, the Bulls just freed cap space for 2 max FA. They could be crazy next year. The Bucks are going to need to get on it. Wiz join the 3 1st round pick club with MN, Memphis, and OKC…NJ.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, but it can't be official till July 8th for some reason

So the Bulls will make the pick for them…

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm what happened to the the two headed beast Paxson/Gar????

suddenly become competent?………..oh wait stripping the team for FA bonanza so it cant be that hard………A.Dont trade Rose/Noah/Gibson B.Trade everyone else

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls are the team I least hope gets on the FA buzz

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

2nd tier

Rose, Johnson, Deng, Boozer, Noah….pretty scary still.

Rose, Lebron, Deng, Bosh, Noah…I’m playing dead when they come to town.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

true thats alot of 'players' and just one ball

plus Bosch said he wants to be the ‘man’ not someone’s shotgun……which is laughable because thats what he is somebody’s Robin

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO the perfect starting lineup includes the following...

two scorers(one wing + one post)
two 3-pt shooters to space the floor one of which is a really good wing defender
one really good post defender and rebounder

This way you have perfect spacing, can score from all areas on the floor, and can defend elite wings or bigs…

Following this blueprint the Bucks probably need “one really good post defender and rebounder” and another 3-pt shooter…

Mbah a Moute serves as our perimeter defender… our scorers are Jennings and Bogut but ideally we’d get a little better option than these two… Delfine, Salmons, Ridnour, and Jennings to some extent can shoot 3’s but we really need another player who hits them at a very high clip especially if we lose on of these guys…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of a messed up sport is this

When one team trades a draft pick and a player to another team in return for nothing?

I think it’s ridiculous how in almost every single NBA trade, one side is making the deal for purely financial reasons…

by ZV on Jun 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they get LeBron

May they never win another championship.

"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think lebron should stay in cleveland

by Skitzo215 on Jun 24, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

more interesting for me is if anyone can steal Paul away from NO and what it will take?

If your NY and you want LBJ you find anyway to get Paul suddenly your in the main seat again

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jun 24, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

They don't have the pieces for that

Nets, Clips, Wiz are the only teams with the pieces to acquire Chris Paul in order to attract Lebron. Nets are the only likely destination.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can get him cheap.....

GET BEASLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

They are literally saying he's free right now to any takers.

There is no such thing as free. His ~$4mil salary has to be matched within a certain percentage, but the Heat have to get someone they can buy out. It really makes Delfino perfect trade candidate here, but I think the Bucks are slightly afraid he won’t re-sign or his salary will inflate on the FA market.

by FearTheDeer on Jun 24, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is kinda amazing to me that we wouldn't trade Delfino for Beasley if we have the opportunity...

Beasleys shortcomings aside he is on his rookie contract so if he doesn’t work out there isn’t the big investment in him… he is one of the best shooting 4’s in the league and is uber talented offensively… he has the tools to play good defense and has incredible upside… like 25ppg 10rpg type of upside if he ever gets his head on straight and gets motivated… I for one would trade Delfino in a millisecond for him due to his incredible potential… Hell we can draft another four and sign another guy to compete with him if he absolutely refuses to play D but Beasley still is an incredible young talent…

by Superelkman on Jun 24, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about his passing....

But other than that, Beasley can be a better version Lamar Odom/LaMarcus Aldrige….. or atleast he has the TALENT to be better than Odom/Aldridge

by victor s on Jun 24, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Frank

Is there going to be a live thread for the Draft itself?

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 24, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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