Size Matters: Bucks add Sanders, Gallon and Hobson
by Frank Madden on Jun 24, 2010 11:51 PM CDT
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PrintTwo days after adding a pair of veteran small forwards in Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts, the Bucks' offseason plan took another big step forward. OK, so there's no guarantee that first round pick Larry Sanders (#15) or second rounders Darington Hobson (#37) and Tiny Gallon (#47) play significant roles in the 10/11 campaign, but the Bucks definitely got bigger, adding a combination of size, youth and versatility to a roster in desperate need of just that, particularly at power forward and center.
Despite all the talk that the Bucks might be wheeling and dealing with their bounty of second round picks, the Bucks made all four picks at their original spots before word first leaked that #44 pick Jerome Jordan would be sent to New York for cash considerations. That move hasn't been confirmed yet, but it makes sense given John Hammond's admission yesterday that the Bucks were unlikely to keep all four of their picks and the fact that Jordan was the one player picked who didn't work out for them in Milwaukee. Had they kept Jordan, that would have given the Bucks three big men with wingspans bigger than 7'4".
So where does that leave the Bucks going into free agency? Adding Sanders, Hobson and Gallon would give the Bucks 12 roster spots, not including Luke Ridnour, John Salmons and a veteran big man like Kurt Thomas. They can also waive Darnell Jackson and his NG'ed minimum deal, opening up another roster slot. The Bucks had a similar situation last year with Salim Stoudamire, picking him up at the end of the 08/09 regular season and taking a look at him over the summer before eventually cutting him at no cost. I'd guess the same happens with Jackson, though he'll have the Summer League to convince the Bucks otherwise.
Re-signing Ridnour is an obvious priority, though the Bucks could also choose from any number of veteran backups if Ridnour signs elsewhere. Either way the Bucks need another PG and will need at least one more guy who can play PG in a pinch, perhaps a combo guard who can also play some 2.
Though Sanders and Gallon bring long-term potential to the 4/5 spots, at this point I'd be surprised if Sanders cracked the starting lineup this fall and the 19-year-old Gallon is still a bit of a project who may need a year or two before he's a useful rotation guy. So it seems obvious for the Bucks to add a veteran big man, whether it's a potential starter like Drew Gooden or a cheaper backup big like Thomas. Which direction the Bucks go will be somewhat telling of their confidence in Sanders' ability to contribute immediately.
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confirms Hammonds is a shrewd old fox...if foxes dressed in check shirts
If Sanders has a similiar impact to what OK’s Serge Ibaka had, ie providing a big guy who can get up and down the floor, length, rebound and block shots Id be thrilled to be bits not really interested in any offensive output for two seasons as long as he can dunk, and clean up the offensive glass…………….a no brainer pick with the guys that went before us
Gallon is a nice pick in the 2nd heck if he doesnt pan out so what, if he sticks we have a fat big guy who can score and rebound and knock guys over……and Tiny Gallon….the potential comedic value has nearly overwhelmed me look at that pic…..the guy has confidence and can talk a good game………
We should change his name to 'Ten'...
…and give him his own huge hat to wear… ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Redd going to be ready?
He wasn’t there during our run at all with the team. I’m worried he won’t have good chemistry, or the knees to keep up.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 25, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions
how does hammonds tell everyone hes drafting best player available
then gets larry sanders….good lord man….i wanted luke babbitt very very bad…..he slips to us and johnny pulls this….WOW just wow,..i basicly puked all over the place…and the next pick was babbitt…o weird!
BPA is in the eyes of the beholder...
…ask MJ who he thought the BPA was when he took Kwame #1…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Babbit to, but like Sanders also..
But the team that took him at 16 said they would have taken Sanders had he been available. Sanders is the least sexy pick of all our possible scenario’s, but I tell ya, I have been sreaming for them to get our boy Andrew some help, and we finally did that.
Did you know according to draft express 2008 measurements, Mbaha Moute is 6’ 5 3/4" without shoes? His reach was 8’7 3/4’.
Sanders is 6’9 1/4 w/o shoes and a reach of 9’4". Gallon has a reach of 9’ 1 1/2". Bogut has needed some talented bigs around him. We finally have some with legit size. Not sexy, buy very solid and very necessary moving forward.
Kudos JH.
BTW: I would have no problem starting CDR at SG if need be. That guys is very talented, so much so that the new Nets owner may be sending his GM to the Russian front if Douglas has a good year, lol.
I hear it's kind of noisy on the front these days
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the question with Babbitt was always defense
He’s not Joe Alexander, but part of JA’s problem was that he was stuck defensively between the 3/4 and it’s quite possible the Bucks were just too nervous about that to roll the dice on him. Couple interesting notes from Givony’s tweets:
Luke Babbitt: The truth finally comes out. Never bought into him as a lottery guy. Had bad workouts. Was all hype. Shoulda went with gut.
Officially pissed now. Had Larry Sanders going 15th all day to Bucks, but changed it last minute cause agent didn’t think it would happen.
by Frank Madden on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Babbit pickers
U guys just liked Babbit because thats what ESPN told u to like. He was the “next best player” on the board….blah blah blah.
Exactly
I’m very happy with this draft because I see where the Bucks had needs that were filled. Outside of that, I’m happy with the 4 guys that the Bucks thought were the best, not who I, tho I am a vivid college basketball watcher, think they should have gotten. If they both align I think its a perfect draft. If they don’t its still a good draft.
July 5: Summer League
I wouldnt have minded Babbit as a 2nd rounder.......
no expectations he could surprise as a 1st rounder everyone will be on his back
You wanted Babbit bad?
If you were on the thread last ngiht you’ll know about 20 people didn’t quite feel the same way.
I like Sanders alot........
think whilst he may take a bit longer to contribute all around compared to guys like Patterson and Udoh etc the potential upside is intriguing and at #15 I like that we took a swing at someone they really seemed to like……..at the very least we are going to get an upgrade in length at the 4 and some serious shot blocking and rebounding a combo of Bogut, Sanders, Prince and Ersan is quite an all round package………
ad an experienced PF say Amir Johnson or Drew Gooden we have some serious depth which at the end of last season was exposed, Maggette and CDR also add to that
I don't know about that... I personally think he will be able to get a solid 15mpg this year off the bench which isn't bad for a rookie...
He has the ability to come in and get some boards, block some shots, and get some tip-ins for us right away…. He did play at a smaller school but will be 22 during the season and had 3 years of college ball…
I also figure Skiles is pretty thrilled..........
he eventually gets an athletic big who can block shots, rebound and doesnt give him a migraine 5 years after drafting Tyrus Thomas :)
The Gallon move was for the future security of The Team
even if he doesn’t truly pan out, they will keep him around for the simple fact that he is Brandon’s boy.
He and Jennings are great friends, Gallon refered to him as “My big brother”
It’s bringing in a piece of BJ’s entourage and syaing he gets to keep him (Gallon) as long as he is on the team. I don’t know how great Tiny can be, but he can help keep Brandon on the team, and Brandon can help make Gallon better.
I can’t wait to read the stories of Jennings waking Gallon up and getting him to the gym before everyone else, and Keeping him after practice to talk with Sampson.
Brandon is going to be a good influence on Gallon, and Gallon is going to help keep Brandon in MKE.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 7:19 AM CDT reply actions
I think Gallon is more than just Jennings "boy toy".
He is legit in size, and very talented. He was a high school McDonald’s All American, Oak Hill, ect.
The kid can play. Right now he is on the fence. If Jennings (and coaching staff) can get him to work as hard as he (Jennings) did last year, wow, we would have a beast by the start of the season. If he wants to play vidoes and eat cheeto’s all day long, he will eat himself out of the league in two years.
I personally think he is going to be a beast, but then I always look though my Bucks rose colored glasses.
I didn't say "Boy Toy"
I said that’s his Boy. And it looks like Jennings took some ownership in the Pick.
Paul Imig put up a good article:
I like that they are giving him power, it’s going to help keep him here for a long time.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I moved out of state with all my friends back in Milwaukee, it would be an amazing upgrade to my personal life if a good friend moved here. I think that’s great for Brandon Jennings and solidifying his happiness in Milwaukee and giving him some leadership and ownership with the team. Sometimes, “its not what you know, its who you know” and hopefully knowing BJ3 helped the Bucks land the right guy.
Gallon: I’m not so sure Gallon won’t be self motivated, but if he’s not Jennings could probably help him. Gallon explained in interviews that he was 350lbs and shed 50lbs working out by himself over the last couple years. I think that would take a bit of self motivation. If he learns to set good picks, he could be a good pick and pop guy with that jumper. Lots of ways to utilized a big man with his offensive skills and rebounding prowess.
Although I’m sure he would have liked to hear his name called earlier. Gallon to the Bucks may have been a best case scenario for him considering the support he’ll have around him.
Gallon is hindered by 3 things...
1. His Age – being only 19 you can’t expect him to be NBA-ready
2. His Weight – 15.1% body fat will not cut it for an NBA player… it slows them down too much and kills their endurance… He needs to lose a solid 20 pounds to be more effective…
3. His playing style – Gallon is a wing trapped in a fat, fat post players body… while he can rebound he really limits his offensive rebounding opportunities because he tries to get cute with the basketball far from the basket
That said he is very skilled for his size and can shoot the ball…
I like the draft a lot the more i read about it...
Gallon was the highest upside pick at our last spot…
Hobson has the potential to be a starter in this league…
Sanders gives us that athletic, shot-blocking presence we have been sorely missing…
I personally think Sanders will play 10-15 mpg this year off the bench…
yeah I think a Gooden makes some sense........I dont like the guy
but it eases the pressure on Sanders early and lets him play 10-15 mins if he can earn more he will….rather than forcing it
Gooden is another PF I think just got erased from the Bucks FA candidates list during this draft
His advantage will be his ability to possibly play center.
Roster Concerns
The Bucks officially have a log jam at SF(Delfino, Maggette, LRMAM, CDR, Hobson) and even bigger one at PF (Ilyasova, Sanders, LRMAM, Gallon, Jackson) now.
I thought that Ilyasova and LRMAM were going to be Bucks for a long time, but I’m not feeling that way so much anymore. Where does LRMAM fit in?
I have to anticipate that one of Sanders and Gallon will be at least 2nd string PF and the SF rotation starts with Delfino and Maggette. Will CDR be third string? If their’s a headcase in him, it’s sure to come out on the bench, let’s hope it was just NJ.
Hobson should have a place as the 3rd string PG and maybe 2nd/3rd string SG. As a 4th string SF, he’ll spend a lot of days inactive.
Yeah the logjam at SF isnt a huge deal because you can move pretty much any of those guys except LRMAM to the 2 in a bigger lineup....
’Sova better be with the Bucks for a long while… he is the perfect role player and stretch 4… he can rebound really well… hit an outside shot… put the ball on the floor… and never complains, plays defense, and just does his job….
I think you will probably see Hobson in the D-League this year unless he has a remarkable Vegas…. Gallon will probably be a D-Leaguer as well I’d suspect…
The SF rotation will most likely consist of Delfino, Maggette, CDR, LRMAM
The PF rotation will most likely consist of ’Sova, Sanders, LRMAM, and
Hammond and Skiles like to create competition on a team so they can hold players accountable and they have built terrific depth at these spots so they will be able to do that…
Very good chance Jackson gets cut as well
Just seems like Bucks might prefer to do something else with that roster spot…he’s NG’ed at the min, so no big deal. Similar to what happened with Salim Stoudamire last year.
by Frank Madden on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say its safe to say there's no room for Alando Tucker signing off the summer league roster
Bummer for him. They should let him sign onto another summer league team.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he probably didn't see the avalance of SFs coming...
I feel like Gallon is more likely to go to the D-League…or at least the guy more likely to benefit from it. Hobson’s older and has a savvier, more mature game, so I don’t see him benefiting as much.
If we do sign a rotation guy at the 4/5 then I think Gallon’s a very good candidate for Fort Wayne, at least until Bogut eventually gets hurt. But don’t forget that the Bucks have treated the D-League as an afterthought so far…only guy that Hammond has sent there is Alexander AFTER they had given up on him. He never made it back to MKE.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
A couple Larry Sanders snippets...
“Running the floor is where Sanders might be able to contribute the most to an NBA team right off the bat. He has amazing speed in the open floor and is thus a terrific target for his guards to throw long outlet passes to in transition, regularly beating opponents down the court.”
“…his tools on this end of the floor are simply amazing, and should allow him to develop into a solid defender if he gets the proper coaching and is willing to put the effort in.”
“Big men with Sanders’ physical tools are not easy to come by these days, which is why some NBA team will likely be more than happy to work to develop him. It’s likely that he still has quite a bit of upside left to tap into when considering his late start and the fact that his body is a long ways from filling out.”
Theo Ratliff
6’ 10" 235 lbs. 14 years as a pro,in his best years he was around 10 ppg, 7 rpg and 3 blocks. Could also run the floor very well, isn’t a very good shooter. We really want Sanders for defense off the bat and hope he can grow a bit of an offensive game. Larry and Andrew 5-6 blocks per game next year?
by CanadaBucks on Jun 25, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's quite possible
Depends on his mins, what style of offense etc. Can see him being on the receiving end of a few alley-oops from Young Buck.
I think Sanders has a huge advantage....
in Bogut will do alot of the heavy work against the bigger guys…..Sanders is pretty rail thin at the moment but nothing that a few off seasons of conditioning wont address having said that he seems like one of those lean long athletic guys and thats where Im hoping he can make an impact in his rookie year, not battling guys on the block…..as a complimentary rebounder and shot blocket to Bogut
Reasoning:
Darnell Jackson is the best PF body on the Bucks. Gallon is overweight, Ilyasova is underweight, LRMAM and Sanders are way to small as is. I think Sanders has more upside than Gallon, but I just think Gallon is more NBA ready. Gallon may fall in the rotation during the season as Ilyasova and Sanders continue to bulk up but shedding 20lbs is easier than gaining 20lbs in Ersan’s case and maybe 20-35lbs in Sanders case especially when you burn calories for a living.
hmm okay yeah cant see Jackson sticking with all these guys around especialy since he is a NG
I still feel Hammonds will look to get in another veteran big body at PF as well as a back up C
ahh I was wandering if a guy like Nazr Mohammed makes sense??
he is a wily vet….and showed he can still put up some production and Charlotte are stacked there with Ty Chandler, Theo Ratliff, Tyrus Thomas
Go to the D-League
and sign The Polar Bear
BRIAN BUTCH
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
last* and Steisma signed to MN
Steisma to MN in Alando Tucker’s bought out position had to hurt a bit.
yup one more year at $6.8 million.....
not sure if he is available per say in that Larry Brown is always unhappy with his roster….might depend on Chandler who can opt out if he is stupid enough
Potential FA Centers to sign:
Brad Miller
Johan Petro
Kwame Brown
Joel Pryzbilla
Brendon Haywood
Ian Mahinmi
Matt Bonner
Steven Hunter
D.J. Mbenga
Rasho Nesterovic
Patrick O’Bryant
Ben Wallace
I wonder if Big Prz would come back, and big a nice white mentor on the team
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too...he was a beast in Oden's absence before his own injury
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is they will wait it out and see what they can get before the season starts... like they did with Hak Warrick last year
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting I think with Boguts health and lack of any back up......
Hammonds moves a bit earlier to sort it out……
I would like Haywood, but he is going to command a lot of dollars
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
wow...not ;)
ermmm trade perhaps
Haywood to pricey and too much of an attitude
out of those Id say Petro, Mahinmi because they are cheap and might have some growth
otherwise Pryz or Nesto? Pryz because he is the perfect back up and he slipped in the tub and injured his knee…..you cant put a price on that
and Nesto cos he is big, foreign and knows the ropes……not sure he has anything left in the tank tho
Rasho wasn't much last year for the Raps
And I did like him before but the red warning gauge is on I think.
yeah I noticed he struggled a bit for the Raptors
and if your a big guy and cant get burn time with them thats a fair warning
And when he was with them before
He was great at doing the things that dont get noticed….If it was 3 years ago I’d say great but we’re a bit late.
Let’s hope there’s a vet w/o a contract toward the end of FA
i'd take him if we could get him for just taking on his contract... he is an excellent backup center and one of the best rebounders in the league plus blocks shots...
hes young too so that 4yr 32 mill isnt going to turn into deadweight
Joel Pryzbilla?
He’ll probably get $6-$8 million again. 7’ with expierence starting at $5mil this offseason I’d bet.
It'll only take 30 games
But then we’ll get Juwan Howard and it will all be okay.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
i bet we could get him and something from the magic to take on his contract...
I bet they would for sure give us Gortat, Pietrus, and a 2nd for Redd’s expiring
ok Pietrus is getting old...
how about:
Milwaukee Sends:
SG Mike Redd 1 yr $17.04mill
Orlando Sends:
Marcin Gortat 5yrs 5.85mill
Mike Pietrus 2yrs 5.3mill
Turkoglu’s 6.8 mill trade exception to make salaries match
2011 Orlando 1st
plus Redick for a young perimeter shooter...
We’d get our backup center two guys who can shoot threes and a perimeter defender…
Looks like trading with Orlando would be difficult though…
no doubt Orlando will make a move same as last year I guess
you figure Bass and Gortat, Pietrus are up for grabs……I think they want to keep Reddick though, he pretty much played alot of key minutes after Vinsanity stunk it up again in the playoffs……
Can't combine a trade exception with other players to make the deal work
Have to be able to break it up into separate trades.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Orlando would like it I feel they'd like Redd's contract
mainly because I could see them using it to try and get Chris Paul…..
Redd's Contract
Bucks need to hold tight and let FA play out first. See if they re-sign Salmons and Ridnour and see where the other big names land. If the Bucks do land Salmons and Ridnour, holding his contract and letting it expire on the Bucks books may be the best option. Thats a very solid roster that the Buck will have with very small holes that need plugging and can be done with $18mil in FA 2011 without taking on someone else’s big and bad contracts.
If they can’t resign Salmons and Ridnour, only trade that thing for very young players at needed positions. Like Derrick Favors, Evan Turner, Greg Oden young. Otherwise wait til the trade deadline and see who’s willing to give up the best lottery pick and player package so they can make a splash in FA 2011. Somebodies gonna need some cap space. No way NJ or NY or maybe even Philly wants to return to the lottery next season if they strike out this FA period. They’ll shoot for FA again next season. NY, NJ/Brooklyn, and Philly fans don’t have patience for development.
fair point.......its an art definitely
knowing when to use it, when not to and sometimes not to use it at all…………I think holding it till the deadline is the smart move you hold your nerve till the others get desperate
How about:
Maggette for Marcin Gortat and Mike Pietrus (or Brandon Bass)?
Im not a fan of Gortat and his contract
$8 million over 4 years for a guy who in the best case scenarios for us ie Bogut stays injury free, is a 2nd unit guy….I like Bass though and he can produce but again he is under sized and we have plenty of undersized pf’s
People say he could be a starting center
But I agree, with Maggette already here, I don’t want another big contract to fill up space.
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Maggette for Pietrus and Gortat would be perfect!
All of them will be back-ups anyways. Pietrus can shoot the 3-ball adds depth to replace Maggette. Gortat is a injury free quality back-up center for the next 4 years.
No way to get around paying for a good backup C
unless you get a guy with a rookie contract.
7’ and skill costs at least $5mil a year for about 3-5 years. Centers tend to get longer contracts it seems. Gadz got $7mil? There was some logic, they’re just wasn’t much skill.
true thats pretty much the market price for a decent guy....
Oh if only I was 7ft tall with marginal skills :)
The Sanders pick was about potential....
Ask Joe Alexander how that turned out for him… you can say alot of the same things about Sanders that you can say about Danny G… tall, fast, runs well, long wingspan…
I’m just sayin…
I don’t hate the pick but I don’t love it – and If they brought Gallon here for BJ, won’t Brandon be pissed when they cut his fat ass???
Hobson can be a steal in the 2nd, but other than that, I’m very skeptical of this draft class…..
yeah picking 15 you can't bank on much... there is one thing that has proven to translate to the nba which is rebounding and Sanders is already a stud there...
Sanders could be a bust but he is more fluid out there than Gadzuric and is a ton quicker…. Gadzuric always looked unnatural playing basketball where Sanders has more of a natural feel for the game and doesn’t look so damn awkward….
by Superelkman on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Not fair comparisons
I think some us get carired away and too literal with comparisons. Sanders is obviously more gifted than Danny G ever was; just watch one clip of his. He is more dextrous than Gadz as well. When Danny G just came out, you could see what his limitations were. We’ll see I guess.
So pessimistic
Salaries aside. Gadz was a try, and if you don’t succeed, try again. I don’t think the Bucks want Larry Sanders at Center much. I think they want him at PF. Good pick. There’s a risk involved with every player.
I highly doubt they cut Gallon before the end of the regular season. Plenty of time to prove himself. Almost guarantee it.
Glad to see you think highly of Hobson.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Gadzuric decent for a couple seasons early on?
Worst case scenario, Sanders can’t cut it in the NBA and they let him go after his rookie contract. A small deal like his won’t cripple the team. It would be nice if he became a star but you can’t expect that.
As an aside, is it just me or does it seem like every single second round pick (and the undrafted guys) is destined to become a solid player and a steal for their teams if they would just go ahead and sign them? Well, except for the Knicks guys.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
Mikhail Torrance, Sherron Collins, Sylven Landesberg, John Scheyer, Brian Zoubek, Manny Harris, Charles Garcia, Matt Bouldin, Samardo Samuels, Omar Samhan
All didn’t get drafted. I wonder who they will latch on with.
Hobson said he was a 6’7" PG like Penny Hardaway, but I’m not sure the Bucks think he’s going to be their back-up PG at any point.
A few of those names would be nice for the Bucks to try to get onto their summer league team. PG, SG, C prospects
Bucks should look hard at Zoubek and/or Scheyer
Zoubek’s 7’1", rebounds like a mad man but could be a physical energy guy. Can’t shoot or jump over a phone book tho. I’d be equally happy to pick him up as I was with Jerome Jordan, maybe even more happy.
Scheyer could use Ridnour as a good guy to model his game after.
We’re under our white guy quota now anyways…lol.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the Knicks were really keen on Zoubek with their 38th or 39th picks.
Wonder what happened…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Their picks struck me as super-random
Andry Freakin’ Rautins??? Why draft a guy you could sign off the street?
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, they could have signed Zoubek off the street too
He’s playing for NJ summer league team.
If a guy is on a teams summer league roster do they hold some sort of rights to sign him first?
Good question
I’m not sure if the contracts they sign technically give teams first right of refusal. Practically speaking I don’t think the good free agents sign with teams for summer league unless they think there might be roster spot. I would like to add someone like Torrance but sounds like there is plenty of competition:
http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2010/06/undrafted_torrance_weighing_fi.html
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
it'll be sweet.......
when instead of LBJ…..the knicks trot out Andy Rautins, Rudy Gay, Raymond Felton and Mike Miller
Multi championship roster right there
Donnie Walsh’s days would be numbered.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Cue rimshot!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take Torrance as a PG
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, but with this log jam at PF
Bucks should pass. Let somebody else have him.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
true, we don't need another one now
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jun 25, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Huge risk in the locker room
Maggette, CDR (already has a flag), and all of the rookies are ? in the locker room right now. Beasley has another flag. I’m going to guess they chase high character vets in FA.
Sanders more agile than I anticipated
Watching some of those videos, he is very athletic; he’s almost smalll forward-ish with his offense, quickness wise. He is obviously a PF and I think his offense will develop better than some people realize. An excellent compliment to Bogut.
KT
The Bucks should be willing to slightly over pay KT to keep him in the locker room for leadership. Teach these big guys some toughness. I’m sure he’s only looking at 1yr contracts anyways.
Im not sure if KT was kidding but......
I did read once he said he wasnt much for schooling or teaching others the tricks of the trade because its a business as well and he wasnt really one for giving away secrets of the trade…..that said I want him back and just by watching him you can learn
I remember that as well, BJ's...
Still, Sanders and Gallon would be better players just having the chance to get beaten up in practice everyday by KT…
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I think he was only half serious?? But yeah you learn by doing and getting your hand dirty.....
plus if there is the lure of a future assistant coaching role attached that may help him school them a bit more
OR... we could get an overseas guy as a free agent to play backup C like the following players:
Yiannis-Bouroussis – http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Yiannis-Bouroussis-118/
Timofey-Mozgov – http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Timofey-Mozgov-5161/
Aleks-Maric – http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleks-Maric-593/
Could use a portion of the MLE to sign one of these guys…
basically with Sanders on board....what we need is a lane clogger I feel
and not in the way Tiny Gallon will clog…….someone to bang a bit not get abused make sure KT doesnt have to do too much if he is back……
Luke Nevill...
I know he went undrafted last year, and I have no idea where he played last season, and this could just be some parochialism for a countryman, but he was a beast last night in the international between Aus and Argentina (that would have been early this morning in the US). ARG were down their NBA players (Ginobili, Delfino, Oberto) and played a smaller , younger lineup. I had never seen Luke play before, but he has a very solid and athletic 7’1 frame and showed great rebounding strength, court vision and finishing around the rim. Very impressed.
Nathan Jawai played backup center and I kept on thinking Tiny Gallon ;)
Patty Mills started at PG and was pretty sensational, get him for BJ’s backup! Logjam of PGs at Portland.
OK, someone please hit me with some reality to crack these rose coloured, green and gold framed, glasses!
AUS won by 39pts by the way.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep! Like I said...someone slap it outta me!
Jawai is a FA at the moment and I’m sure we could weedle Andersen/rights to Brad Newley away from the Rox…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Frank Madden you are the man!!
I really enjoy reading your stories you post on here they all make sense to me and the people on here responding to them are way more intelligent and insightful than the JSblogs.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 25, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions
I second the motion
thanks Frank and BrewHoop ….You are correct russleTHEmuscle ..I laugh at some of the bloggers on JSonline. Then again, they are only duplicating the idiocy that comes from their writers ;)
Yeah I dont get it
There are so many people on the JSblogs who just want to spew negativity and disagree with people’s opinions just to get attention. Its rediculous how many people are bashing the pick of Larry Sanders. One guy even came on and said Sanders needs to AVG 14 points a game next year. I don’t know about that considering our top scorers were only at 15 last year and we did just fine. Plus the addition of CDR and Maggette should bolster the scoring a bit.
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by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 25, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
Most fans are harsh. Most people only consider the talent side of everything in sports. Never understand a bit about the salary cap, luxury tax, good contracts, bad contracts, etc. They want Kobe for Lebron trades and look salary cap trades as stupid. Most people would have only been pleased if they picked the next guy in line on ESPN’s list. I appreciate being able to discuss with people who understand the business-side and talent-side. Brew Hoop is awesome for that!
Agreed
Some fans also criticize GM’s for not making this trade or that trade. It happens with Brewers and Packer fans too, as if GM’s can just pluck talent off of a tree. It takes TWO and like you said, in a salary cap league, that is often the first criteria you gotta look at.
Thanks guys
Sometimes I wonder why we don’t get idiots posting here, but I suppose they would get too annoyed reading my 3,000 word novels about the salary cap to even get to the comment section :)
Having intelligent commenters has made this a ton more fun for me…in a lot of ways all I’m trying to do is throw out enough information to get our dialogue going. Maybe we could squeeze out more hits if Alex and I took lots of extreme positions just to egg people on, but that’s not how we roll. I try not to be completely ambivalent—I think you guys know how I feel about players, potential moves, etc—but at the end of the day it’s just a game. You have to have fun with it.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If something is mainstream, chances are you'll get more idiots
You wonder if SBNation continues to grow, there will be more idiots. But I guess it stems from the people that write the blogs themselves, and most of the people here (including Frank) are good at what they do.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Another reason I avoid talk radio
I like listening to interviews with management/players, but I can’t imagine anything more aggravating than listening to Ronnie from the East Side bitch about things he has no clue about.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok... Ok...
I guess Sanders does have more skill than Dan G…..
Thanx for making me feel a lil bit better about this pick… : )
No problem
I can tell just by watching them. Someone on JSBlog compared him to Ervin Johnson. That was even worse. Johnson had NO hands at all, sorta like Tito Horford from years gone by.
I think
a fair comparison is Theo Rattliff and that would be awesome. Maybe with a bit more offense as he develops.
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 25, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
But
I cant really compare him to anyone til i see him play for the bucks
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by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 25, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
honesty I dont expect Sanders will score much more than 12ppg and thats a best case season
but I can totally see a guy pushing a double double with 2 bpg, a guy that can alter the game defensively maybe not on a one on one way but as a roaming defender kinda like Camby/Ratliff……..now Im not saying he will be as good but something along that prototype
My rating of good defensive-bad offensive centers that I came up with on the spot
Pryzbilla < Ostertag < Ratliff < Ben Wallace
It’s foolproof.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Camby?
Though he is better individually than being a part of team defence.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hm
He’s at least decent offensively. But…
Pryzbilla < Ostertag < Dalembert < Ratliff < Camby < Ben Wallace
Added Dalembert just for kicks.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm Dalembert might be a decent comparison numbers wise for what Sanders might become
but its all guess work he could be great, average or suck…….pretty much covers it right :)
I find it strange that people are saying he is a stretch at #15 though…….errm who should we have picked instead? And at 15 you go for a guy you think will be a solid rotation guy which at the worst he will be…best case scenario I have upgraded my wish to a defensive Amare :)
Camby in terms of.........
I think he is great as a roaming defender, not someone who likes to battle a lot on the block? maybe im wrong but thats just what Ive seen recently but that isnt much
Yes
Always felt like him winning DPOY was a bit bogus given they often hid him against good post players. If you’re 7 feet tall and your coach doesn’t trust you to guard the opponent’s 7 footer then you’re probably not the best defensive player in the league…
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I think that is the knock on his defense......
he doesnt particularly like to go one on one against the better post players, which isnt to knock his attributes as a shot blocker and rebounder, but Denver basically gave him away and they didnt suffer too badly….
still like the guy though its kinda been well not funny but interesting, when he got traded each time he was bitterly upset, then latched onto where landed got happy, got traded again and got upset, then again was happy once he got to Portland and signed an extension……but heck If got traded firstly for some cash and draft picks, and then for Blake and Outlaws expiring contracts id be pissed :)
Agreed
Speed, are you basing your Przy ranking on his time with the Bucks? I’d definitely put him beyond Ostertag at this point.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really
But I suppose that works. It was just a random thing I came up with, nothing really to it. ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
to impose yesterdays quote about Ryan Richards to suit our purpose:
he aint Magic Johnson but he aint Ervin Johnson :)
Last time I'm going to talk hypotheticals and the draft
I like Hobson, I hope he works out, he may not make the team, he may make the team and flourish. I have no idea. I know Lance Stephenson would have made the team. He’s a headcase, but I man thats a high reward pick. Any time a guy gets a national comparison to Lebron James in HS he should be picked in the 1st round. They don’t compare guys to Jordan/Kobe/Lebron everyday. I’m listening to this ESPN podcast with Chad Ford and Bill Simmons and honestly, it sounds like we blew that one. The are talking about how the Knicks blew it, but considering we picked right before them. It’s safe to say, that might have been a blown pick.
he reminds me of Jeff McInnis....not playing wise but
guy was a headache but had skills so he stuck in the league over a decent period but got moved around…..but could have been much more
Sorry, random thought alert
The deputy commish looks like a Martian.
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Tiny Gallon is the perfect cartoon name
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Hehe...
…we could create a whole series of cartoons based on Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs ______ , based on an NBA theme, seeing Tiny take on various ‘Villains’.
‘The Astonishing and Neverending Adventures of Tiny Gallon and Young Buck’
Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs Birdman
Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs Kryptonate
Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs Vinsanity
Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs The AK47
All of those are pretty cool Bad Guy names.
Come on…any others?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm shocked nobody thought of that before!
Tiny Gallon and Young Buck vs King James
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
King James could be the nice guy, who turns into ‘The Bronze Baron’ haha!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
vs. The Nightmare
vs. Agent 0
vs. the Big Baby
vs. Iggy
I like all except the last one
Doesn’t have any special meaning
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
…Iguodala…‘The Iguana’?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
vs Captain Jack
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
…Who’s that again? Stephen Jackson?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha!
Up…up..and away – How High Silver!?!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
poor Tiny he will have to overcome alot just for people to take him seriously let alone crack the roster…I wonder what Skiles will make of him
Yeah, though his nickname is a lot easier to take seriously than 'Big Baby'!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
true....
hmm Charlotte qualifying offer to Tyrus Thomas 1 yr at $6.2 million……Charlotte have alot of big man depth……Thomas, Theo Ratliff, Chandler, Nazr Mohammed, Diaw,
Speaking of Chandler...
…something that has been bugging me for ages. Chandler had a case of a condiion called ‘Turf Toe’ right? Can anyone please explain what that is?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wikipedia holds the truth
Turf toe is a cutaneous condition characterized by a painful, erythematous, edematous hallux caused by an acute dorsal and plantar tendonitis, often seen in those who play football, rugby, wrestling, and/or soccer.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Kudos to anybody who can understand that
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks man...I think ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
'Get up ya sook!' comes to mind ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Soft?
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Me or Gasol? haha
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He has 1yr $12mil left and wants to dodge the CBA in case
He’d be willing to get like $8 for 5yrs and take the $4mil hit next season.
This CBA has players in a frenzy. Agents are probably loving this and hoaxing the heck out of their players.
yeah that seems to be his thinking......
does anyone want to commit to him for 5 years? I guess someone will pony up if he can prove he is fit
Yeah, weird
Guess the CBA boogeyman can’t be overrated…or maybe Chandler just wants to go back to the Hornets for the minimum so Paul can make him look good again :)
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Im kinda hoping Sanders and Jennings develop that kinda chemistry!!!
its like Amare he does a lot of posturing but heck if its me i keep my wagon hitched to phoenix as long as Nash is manning the point
I cant believe that.....he is turning down what $11 million
he is injury prone…..at his best he is a very good complimentary defensive player but he cant get his body right……still I guess like the discussion earlier said big guys get paid so maybe he knows the market
Reading
I read somewhere yesterday that they don’t think the Bucks will pony up to sign Salmons for 3 yrs, $18mil
I couldn’t believe what I was reading! They just offered him more.
..and John may regret turning down the original offer eventually.
I reckon he got a hell of a shock when he got the call to say Hammond had acquired Maggette!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone heard anything about whether the offer is no longer on the table?
I know Salmons isn’t taking it, but I’m curious if the Bucks would still offer it with Maggette on board…
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I would tend to say I agree with that
i’d have an open 2yr 15m offer if he wants, nothing more or longer.
Sign Salmons!
They don’t have a SG right now. They don’t have anybody who can actually SHOOT!
We could always sign Ray
….For a 5 year 75 million $ deal… ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons isnt exactly a pure shooter....more of a scorer....
and that describes Maggette and CDR so Im not sure all go on one roster
Kyle Korver?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 25, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass
Korver is gonna sign for $8mil too. He’s getting that now.
yeah bit to expensive.......I suppose we have talked about Morrow
his shooting numbers are awesome but I havent seen any of him
So now
Whiteys can’t shoot either? I’d beg to differ.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kidding
It was just the babbit and Hayward stuff, but really korver isn’t your ideal starting 2 or 3. Nice off the bench but not at the price he’ll get
As was I, CanadaBucks, as was I. ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Delfino could be considered a shooter
Albeit a streaky one.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow didn't realize it was that low
I think he’ll be traded as well.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
36.7% last year, 36.1% career
C’mon now, don’t sell Carlito short…
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they should ride the market up to 3yrs, $24mil
Hell Maggette is getting 3yrs, $31mil, I can expect to get more from Salmons and makes Maggette worth that much more as a major upgrade to Stackhouse.
yeah I can see the point butttttt...
thatd be 6 years at around $55 milion committed to two 30 year old guys so I dont know I think we should look around the market first is all
Thats only $18 mil per season. They can spend $56 or $58
Jennings, Sanders, Gallon, Hobson, Ilyasova, Delfino all under contract until both Maggette and Salmons would expire. They total to another ~$25mil. Thats still only ~$43mil. Thats like $15 mil is cap space for back ups to re-sign LRMAM and CDR when they are up if necessary.
anyway it might prove all conjecture if another team ponies up for Salmons
say 4 years at $32 which I can see someone might do once the big boy FA’s are locked down
Toughy, I think, I'd say saddle up and let's ride that sucker.
Let’s win!
They can figure out how to move those contracts later if they become a real problem. I get the feeling they want to improve from where they were last year in the win column.
okay lets see though......without Salmons
and the current additions Maggette, CDR & Sanders we are what projecting hopefully 45-50 so adding Salmons improves that projection? or increases the likelihood of us achieving it? Im not sure
East IMO
W/ Salmons: Top 4 in the East
W/O Salmons: Struggling in the 6-10 spots
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think your overestimating Salmons a bit
Players tend to play better in their contract year. Might not be a factor but you never know.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether it's Salmons or someone else
We still need a guy to shoot from outside
by CanadaBucks on Jun 25, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
38 percent
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Also 46 percent from 16 to 23 feet
Only slightly better than Maggette at 44. But Mag’s a bad 3 shooter for some reason at 26 percent.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Just don't wonder why
He can shoot decent from long range but as soon as he steps behind the line… His shooting touch disappears.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Mean I DO wonder why, sorry
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
What did Salmons shoot in the clutch last year as a Buck?
I’d argue that during the span while Salmons was with the Bucks, he was a clutch as Kobe. Just didn’t get the media hype Kobe got with those game winners/tiers, but Salmons his some game winners/tiers at a high percentage when needed last season.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wish I had a stat for that ;)
But don’t let the Lakers fans hear you… they smell blood…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont disagree he was very clutch and picked his spots perfectly
can he replicate over a whole season….he hasnt stuck anywhere during his whole career which isnt to say he just took time to mature….its not without a risk
Yeah, they have a diff def that I guess I would have called clutch
I’d say 1 minute left and somewhere between down by 3 and tied.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 26, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Like 2 better
But that’s good. I think he and the Bucks already have a deal in principle or something close to that. I’d bet that he’s back for sure.
I'd chase Salmons all day b4 I even called Ridnour
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
other way for me now, lock in Luke lets see how Salmons plays it for now
dont call me Ill call you ;)
Im not averse to bringing him back lets have a look around as well though
I just think of Utah and Wes Matthews…I know its a rarity but you never know what you can find
The other one is Morrow
But I dont think GSW wants to let him go. Guy 6’5" 210
FG-.468
3s-.456
ft-886
No other stats stand out
by CanadaBucks on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
All you got to do is make an offer
And see if they piss or get off the pot.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently they're having a firesale in Oakland
Everyone except Curry is available. Trying to make the team more attractive for a new buyer, supposedly. That’s how we got Maggatte, I would assume.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So it comes down to
How much you wanna pay for a guy who has had one good year
by CanadaBucks on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Pay Salmons and leave the young guys
We need vets.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I read he's gonna fair better than the 1st pick in the draft last year salary wise.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
anyway Bucks first option is Salmons so I dont contest that
its pretty much in his court, Im not in total agreement with how they have played it after he didnt re sign but its his right and it makes sense for him to opt out and test the market even Skiles was like why wouldnt he do that it make sense
I think they got Maggette and CDR to prove something
I believe that they wanted to show Salmons, Ridnour, and KT that they will be contenders next year if they return. Thus Hammond saying it strengthened their position for reaquiring Salmons in the Maggette Press Conference. Acquring Maggette and CDR serves as an insurance policy as a plan B, but plan A is to have a seriously upgraded Bench.
AND I think it will be a domino effect. If Salmons returns, Ridnour and KT return. If Salmons goes, Ridnour and KT no longer consider the Bucks contenders.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting point.....
yes it was a bold step….but yeah I can see if we wanted to improve on last season we had a lot of holes to fill and needed to add a lot of depth…….yes players like to see a commitment to get better….
still its pretty shrewd wheeling and dealing by Hammonds, hasnt locked us into anything totally ridiculous and we have improved, even without signing Salmons yet
Stats would agree
Salmons 10-15 ft jumper – 40 percent 16-23 ft: 46 percent
Maggette: 38 percent, 44 percent
Let’s not even go to CDR….
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that's sarcastic
And I just visited his twitter and errr…
“Lovin the DEER love.Off to the gym.Shootin a bunch of 3s,floaters,euro steps,reverse lays,iso footwork.My rib tattoo says STARVIN.Yes yess”
Coincidence city!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When Salmons and Maggette get hit by age
CDR should nicely take over the starting roll for somebody. In the mean time, Salmons, Maggette, CDR, and Delfino rotate those SG and SF spots.
haha okay Ill concede Salmons will be useful coming back even with our recent additions :)
I like CDR think that could be the best deal of the summer
we still could use a pure shooter off the bench??
Eddie House anyone? Streaky but when he gets hot he can turn it up to microwave level
possibly but Stack jacked up his share and got 20 mins per game
House is surprisingly fiesty and combative though could see Skiles liking him
Don't get me wrong
I like House, and we need a 3 ball guy. i was kinda hoping we could have got Daequan Cook instead of the Thunder but i bet the Bucks wanted no part of the 18th pick.
Can you imagine
Nate Robinson on this team. We would see quite our share of facepalms from Skiles through the evenings.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
imagine if Nate tried to shoot one into the other teams basket on skiles team
id pay to see that reaction
Haha, I already pay to go to the games
That would just be more value! ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering Brandon's shot selection....
I think Skiles could deal with the offensive stuff…it’s the D that would have to be there.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that it's any news but
CDR trade confirmed today.
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
Maybe
…But not for Summer League ;)
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Just asked him via Twitter...you're right :)
@cdouglasroberts: @brewhoop I won’t be playing in Vegas but I’ll be there watching the team.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas
"Now, Maggette's one those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What do Tigers dream of....
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Im wondering by the way how much Delfino can play the 2?????
I just like his toughness and defensive nous, forget the streaky shooting and live or die by the 3 offense, Id hate to lose that combativeness, so Id kinda like that we keep him even if it means we miss out on Salmons……..we may lose some scoring power at the 2 guard but that will be covered by Maggette’s ultra efficient scoring pop at the three, Delfino’s defense and rebounding was quite a surprise for me….
If you can't defend it, you can't play it.
Delfino isn’t quick enough to guard most SG’s like D Wade, Tyreke, Kobe, S Curry/Monta Ellis, Ray Allen (can’t see Delfino chasing Allen through all of those picks) etc, etc is why the Bucks shouldn’t plan on starting Delfino, CDR, or Maggette at SG. They’d all be a liability on most SG’s on the defensive end. I’m sure they would all be fine on offense.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 26, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually better suited as a SF/PF than a SG/SF
As we saw him play against Josh Smith in the Hawks series. Maggette is a SF/PF too. CDR might be able to play some SG.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 26, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Great News!
The Clippers have supposedly taken Kelvin Sampson off of their list for head coaching candidates. Great news for us that is, not sure if Kelvin is happy or not.
That is good news.
He’s probably not happy cuz he missed out on a multi-million dollar deal.. But why should we care about his happiness? ;)
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 26, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna leave the Sanders pick alone...
Hammond knows a lot more than me…. and I wanted Jrue Holiday over BJ last year, so what do I know!! I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt – and hope that he becomes a contributor.
BUT….. the bigger question is….. who’s gonna play/start at SG this coming year??? CM, CDR, Delfino… are not SGs. Maybe Hobson will surprise and get the nod, but that’s a lot to ask of a a 2nd round rookie.
Anyone see Hammond going after A Morrow or another FA SG???
I'd guess GSW hangs on to Morrow
Esp with Maggette gone. Though they’re in cost-cutting mode so perhaps they’re willing to let him walk for a LT deal. I think he fits as well as anyone (not going to be super expensive, great complementary shooter) but it’d be easier if he wasn’t restricted.
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
1 GS Warrior at a time
They play well for a losing team, I’d leave the rest of them in GS at least this offseason.
Was thinking the same thing :)
Though I’d probably prefer Morrow for $4-5 million per than Maggette for $10..
by Frank Madden on Jun 26, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well... someones gotta be the starting SG....right???
I mean…. CM & CDR arent really SGs and both are better off the bench, anyways…
Who knows if Hobson will even make the team.
Do you think they’ll spend their limited FA $$$ on a SG, and who’s available besides Morrow & Salmons that MIGHT be in the Bucks budget???
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