Bucks grade well in draft, per experts
You seem to like (and are much more likely to love than hate) the results of the draft. Approximately 3/4 of the almost 700 BrewHoopian voters so far have picked one the two most positive ratings in our draft reaction poll posted Thursday.
And Bucks fans aren't the only ones satisfied with the Milwaukee's draft performance. Something that comes with Executive of the Year territory? Perhaps benefit of the doubt, for better or worse. Just a couple June's removed from lottery-picking Joe Alexander, GM John Hammond's national reputation is now top of the management line. One June after selecting Brandon Jennings (who this year was busy on draft night liveblogging with Lang at SLAM) the Bucks earned generally favorable -- though not overwhelmingly favorable -- draft night reviews.
A couple years ago I really hoped the Bucks would get Anthony Randolph, and last year I was thrilled that they landed Brandon Jennings. I never got enamored with a potential pick this year, and I won't personally letter-grade the night, but I voted the "solid" option in the poll.
And now for a quick tour of the team's draft night grades from national media:
Ball Don't Lie: B
Sanders feels like a stretch as a middling first-rounder, but the Bucks need someone who can jump in the worst way, and they'll (likely) be without Kurt Thomas(notes) next season and (definitely) without Dan Gadzuric(notes). Tiny Gallon(notes) also feels like the sort of guy who wins a starting spot in the first month of his NBA career and then isn't heard from again.
The Bucks took sleeper big man Larry Sanders out of VCU with No. 15, and picked up a few decent prospects in the second (Darington Hobson, Tiny Gallon and Jerome Jordan). Only one or two of the second-rounders should make the squad, but expect Sanders to plug in behind Andrew Bogut nicely.
Larry Hammond was another busy bee and seemed to have a one-track mind, adding the biggest guys possible in addition to sneaking in to snare Darington Hobson, a steal at No. 39. Larry Sanders is the type of rugged defender and rebound that will fare well under Scott Skiles, while Tiny Gallon and Jerome Jordan are interesting center prospects who will be given an opportunity to prove they belong. Adding Corey Maggette for Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric gave the Bucks leverage against John Salmons walking, as does agreeing to take on Chris Douglas-Roberts. The Fear the Deer revolution saw more positive strides made Thursday.
Ridiculous Upside: "Mr. Brightside"
I don't have anything clever to say. Sanders can be good. Hobson is a high-IQ, long wing from a mid-major. I could see him somewhere in between Chris Douglas-Roberts and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and no, I didn't just pick those names because they're both long and cool. Tiny Gallon has slimmed down a bit (we chilled at the draft), but should not have come out of school this early. With Tommy Mason-Griffin undrafted and Willie Warren slipping way down, this was not a good draft for Sooners underclassmen. I'm excited to see what Sanders and Andrew Bogut can do together. Perfect addition to Brandon Jennings' team.
This is more about quantity more than anything else. All four of these guys could have gone in the first round and I wouldn't have blinked; for the Bucks to land this quartet, with three of them coming in the non-guaranteed second round is a very solid effort. Fear the Deer indeed.
Milwaukee's makeover continues. After acquiring a pair of wing scorers in Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts in trades prior to draft day, the Bucks shored up the frontcourt with Larry Sanders, a skinny power forward with great defensive skills. He'll need to bulk up, but he could be a Kurt Thomas-type defensive stopper. Darington Hobson, Jerome Jordan and Keith "Tiny" Gallon are quality picks in the second round and if one can make the team, the Bucks will be happy.
Perhaps the most interesting set of picks in the draft, Milwaukee landed several potentially valuable players. Sanders, Jordan and Gallon all could be busts, but they also could provide the boost in size Milwaukee needs. The Bucks were exposed inside when Andrew Bogut went out late last season, and Sanders can provide a future compliment to Bogut while also occasionally sliding over to center. For every pound Sanders needs to add, Gallon needs to lose two. But he's got a lot of skill and plays like an oversized Antoine Walker, in both a good and bad way. Hobson and Jordan are mediocre picks, and both could never play a minute in the league or find their way into the Bucks' rotation. Milwaukee made two trades, for Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts, that we like but won't include in the grade because they didn't involve picks.
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No one seems to have strong feelings on Sanders
Most of the media people grading probably haven’t seen Sanders play, and aside from that it’s always tough to project guys like him: the physical specimen types who have some skills but you’re not sure if they’re ever going to really put it all together.
Not sure what we’ll get out of these guys, particularly in year one, but excited to check them out in Vegas for starters.
hate to see a team sell a pick.
i think that’s the only thing to find fault with. maybe use that pick to stash Paulo Prestes. maybe go with derrick caracter instead of tiny gallon.
hopefully, that 2nd unit for the bucks is going to score efficiently and make the opponent take the ball out of bounds. a guy like maggette being able to get to the line frequently will help. otherwise, a guy like gallon is going to get murdered in transition.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
its like a freak combo of Larry Harris & John Hammonds......something like a small town slick car salesman who tools around in a corvette I imagine ;)
Didn't you hear?
It wasn’t reported on a lot of networks but John Hammond and Larry Sanders actually were fused together after the draft like THE FLY. They have formed a 6’10", 300lb two headed basketball monster that can block shots, rebound, make trades but still needs to work on its offensive game around the basket…
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Hard-hitting analysis
Lines like this always drive me crazy: “Sanders, Jordan and Gallon all could be busts, but they also could provide the boost in size Milwaukee needs.”
I can analyze, too: “All 60 players drafted could be busts, but they also could strengthen the teams that drafted them.”
Just an unnecessary sentence in their recap. /rant
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
I know
It’s like when websites do those “best case scenarios” and worst cases for draft prospects…. Look, everyone could be LeBron James or they can be Kwame Brown…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 28, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Superfluous :)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 28, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
thats not true... nate robinson could never be Lebron James or Kwame Brown...
by Superelkman on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If you believe, anything is possible,
ANNNYYYTHINGG IS POSSIBLE!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The high draft grades puzzled me. It would be one thing if they were given post summer league, and Hobson or Sanders had dominated. But as of right now, there is not a lot to be unreasonably optimistic about regarding any of our rookies.
Bucks fans are just sky high right now over the jobs Hammond, Skiles, and the team did the second half of last season. So they are painting Hammond as a guy with the golden touch. Some of that is deserved, but the guy has made some clear mistakes in the draft (as does everyone) and I can’t stand how THE MAJORITY of Bucks message boards were ranting against Larry Sanders until the Bucks drafted him, and now they are raving about his upside and potential.
I keep reading about how “athletic” Sanders is, but I don’t see. Everyone in the NBA is athletic. And I see nothing from this guy that shows great strength, great elevation, or great agility. He basically is a tall guy with longer than average arms, that has a good attitude. That is all we know about him right now. Oh yea, and that Hammond made a strange cotton remark and compared Sanders’ defensive potential to Ben Wallace.
My frustration comes from the fact that had I posted two weeks ago that I really hoped the Bucks landed Sanders, Hobson, and Gallon… everyone would have mocked and panned the picks. Then Hammond picks them, and everyone is happy.
by REO Sheedwagon on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
sounds like somebody
just needs a hug.
by kdfan16 on Jun 28, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hammond didn't "compare" the two
IIRC He said every team needs a good defender like Ben Wallace in Detriot or something to that extent.
2 weeks ago nobody would have laughed at you… 2 weeks ago, Sanders was one of the legitimate choices we had, and if you had mentioned Hobson and Gallon, it would just incited more good discussion. Did you watch Sanders play in college? Because you sound like you watched him on a consistent basis.
Maybe some people here give Hammond too much credit, but that doesn’t mean that the draft was bad because we overrated him. Could we do better? Maybe. But that’s why there weren’t a lot of solid “A’s” in the grades. I think this was a solid draft overall.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Check the posts I was touting Sanders all along. As for Hobson he got some 1st round mock looks and Tiny has the size to be an effective big man. Who knows they could all be busts but then so should John Wall. What’s wrong with being positive.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 28, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree REO
I think most people on here wanted Sanders. Never mentioned Hobson. Disliked Gallon. I think people didn’t want Sanders at 15, but loved getting him if we could get him in the 20s as did the Bucks. I feel like maybe me and one or two other people were in favor of Gallon and still feel like that is overall content with that pick. Hobson just didn’t seem like the guy the Bucks were going to go with. They gave no indication that they wanted him on the team during that workout. I’m very high on Sanders and Gallon potential, I think one of them will at least pan out. Not so high on Hobson, I really wish they would have picked Stephenson. Do I think Larry Sanders was a better pick than James Anderson or Avery Bradley or Jordan Crawford or even Lance Stephenson? I think the Bucks have high hopes for Sanders, I like Sanders, but I think I like the chances of all of those SG’s as being a successful player better than I like Sanders’ chance.
AND I like trading Jordan for cash, didn’t see much more than a 7’ cluts out of him. $1mil is good enough to re-sign Royal Ivey.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have preferred James Anderson at #15 but Sanders was my 2nd choice...
Why is there talk of resigning Royal Ivey… lets not do that please…
fine.....but its not like the Bucks passed on say an Xavier Henry to land Sanders....
Davis went pick 13, Patterson went pick 14 if they had been on the board the Bucks takes one of them, they wanted a PF the best guy there they felt was Sanders so they picked him…..
err you want them not pick the guy they like the best, and you want to fans to sit there after saying damn Sanders is useless why did we pick him, wish we didnt pick……rather than look at the positives
okay hate all our picks wish we picked someone else they all suck…… cheers
Agreed
I wouldn’t feel a bit more confident had we picked Ed Davis or Patrick Patterson than I do about Sanders either. Davis could be injury prone his whole career, same undersized weight issues. Patterons could struggle with his size. They are a lot of situations where anybody could be a bust. Derrick Favors could be a bust, Cousins, Monroe, Henry…they all could be busts.
The draft is 100% risk, if you don’t like risk, you won’t like any draft pick.
Sanders, Hobson, Gallon, and Jordan all had late first round grades on them so they are all somewhat talented... considering we got 3 of those guys in the 2nd you can't complain from a value standpoint...
I am excited to review this draft in 3 years and if 2 of those guys are rotation players this will have been a success…
Picks are DONE
We will see soon enough if any of them pan out.
Speedingtime, I think we are talking about two different quotes. Hammond said that it is very important to have a forward who can defend power fours and perimiter fours. Then he said, “and this might be tall cotton, but Sanders reminds me of the guy we had in Detroit”. I just thought that I must be misunderstanding, because it seemed like he was comparing him (Sanders) to either Rasheed or Ben Wallace. And since Hammond doesn’t throw praise like that around very often, that really suprised me. Another thing that suprised me was from a quote that was either Skiles or Hammond, where they inferred that they had ranked Sanders over Patterson. That suprised me. Yet another quote revealed that they ruled out a trade down because there were teams giving Sanders serious interest in the picks right after them. I don’t know, all that makes me excited.
But reading through some of the quotes here, and on other boards… I have heard Sanders compared to Garnett, in all seriousness. And I just think that is silly. Considering his physical tools, attitude, experience, skills, etc I think a best case scenario in year one is a Chris Birdman Anderson type season, where he comes in off the bench and rebounds and blocks shots and causes chaos. But realistically, not being negative, just realistic, he lacks the strength and skill to be a two way player and get starters minutes in year one. I mean, it wouldn’t be outlandish for a 15th overall pick to spend some time in the Dleague… and people are comparing him to Kevin Garnett.
Hmm
I haven’t seen anybody compare him to Garnett, but that’s a pretty stupid comparison. There both tall and skinny… And the comparisons end there.
He could spend time in the D League. But I think he’ll find a way to fit in, even at the least it’s only a couple minutes per game.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 28, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say KG is a bad comparison at all
Its just shooting for the stars.
i would say that is a horrible comparison...
by Superelkman on Jun 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Garnett came in with the same skillset as Sanders
Tall, lanky, wingspan. Never known to smile as much as Sanders, but wouldn’t say he was reknown for his J coming in either.
Ben Wallace is a decent comparison...
I mean they are both defensive minded fours who lack offensive polish and came out of small schools in Virginia
by Superelkman on Jun 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but this has been annoying me
It’s “Bosh” not “Bosch” . Just thought I’d point that out. ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Bosch is a power tool manufacturer (among other things). So, I guess you were calling Bosh a big tool haha ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
You could call him Natanui!!!!
Not that anyone else on here apart from you would know who that is… ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
Im finding more and more comparisons about paying players without any performance like in the NBA after GC and GSW signed those Rugby boys!!
Heh!
Of those guys, Hunt actually played a season of AFL at Churchie Grammar in Year 10, and at least knows the rules and has an idea of how the games flows. Folau? ‘Yeah, I’ve watched a couple of games live and I really like it’ – Yeah right, ‘I really like the $3mill you guys are paying me (Read ’The Mormon Church’) to train for a game I very well may not even play at the highest level’ Tch!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I get the publicity angle especially for GSW but still
anyway im in a crap mood about AFL after Baker copped 9
Agreed, especially when Johnson (I think it was him)...
…was only up for 3 for that elbow…?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah 9 was harsh....Bakes went overboard a bit but Bazza copped what 6-7 and he stone cold knocked out Staker!!
Stevie J yeah Baker probably deserved a whack in the gob but that eye looked pretty nasty
Deserving or not...
…heads have to be protected. Yeah, Baker did ‘attack’ his injured hand. But if you play with a known injury…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hm?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nic_Naitanui
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Speedingtime :)
Nick Naitanui has hair like Bosh. Check it out.
http://www.lmsc.com.au/upload/gallery/AFL-WCENNat1-1265990085.jpg
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No need to be sorry
I’ve gotten used to my ignorance of foreign sports ;) (Okay, not really)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Mate, outside of Oz...when it comes to AFL, you're well and truly in the majority!
Australian rules isn’t played at a national level in any other country, so ignorance is bliss :)
When people compare it to Rugby League or Rugby Union tho – teeth are bared!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
AHHHHH
No one needs to apologize!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry....
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha didn't mean to sound hostile ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't take it that way ;)
The ‘sorry’ was meant to be ironical.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
...which, when I read your post again...
…I realise you understood all along :)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does Sanders need to bulk up?
Everyone says Sanders needs to get bigger, but this is a slimmer, smaller NBA. Folks such as Carl Landry 248 6’9" and DeJuan Blair 6’7" 265 and Boris Diaw 6’8" 225 have been successful with smaller bodies. Kareem was 7’2" and 235. Sanders is the same weight at 6’11". With his tremendous wingspan and positive attitude, he should be able to do good things in the NBA. I think he found the right situation and will blossom.
I'm really liking the Bucks' postseason so far
Maggette as an efficient scorer (likely) off the bench to help the team avoid offensive lulls.
CDR as a value add who may or may not contribute much this year.
Gooden will absolutely help the front line. He’s gotten stouter and tougher since earlier in his career. Big time help on the boards and he can hit the mid range shot.
I think the Bucks used their draft picks wisely given what was still available and the needs of this team. The Bucks could use a springy, lanky guy (Sanders) for the front court and each of the 2nd round guys were guys who could have been taken higher. They may or may not make the team, but they were not reaches with the picks.
Re-sign Salmons and find a decent back-up PG (if Ridnour does not re-sign) and we’re looking at an A offseason. Find value for Redd’s contract and its an A+.

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