Woelfel: Bucks add Sean Williams, Deron Washington to Vegas roster
Vegas won't be nearly as interesting with Brandon Jennings sitting out, but Gery Woelfel brings news of some familiar names on the Bucks' summer league roster. As you'd expect, draft picks Larry Sanders, Darington Hobson and Tiny Gallon are all expected to be in attendance for their new club, and the Bucks had also previously announced that both Darnell Jackson and former Badger Alando Tucker would be joining the squad. The other names are your usual mixture of guys I vaguely remember from college hoops, NBA journeymen and summer league veterans.
The Bucks are most intriguing up front, where Sanders, Gallon and Jackson will be joined by former Net Sean Williams and former Santa Clara center John Bryant. You may remember Williams had a very promising start to his career in New Jersey in 2007, but the wheels eventually came off and he had his fourth year option declined amid continued questions about his maturity, intensity, and every other intangible known to man. Sounds like we found a great mentor for Tiny (who also missed his flight to Milwaukee today). Meanwhile, the enormous (and plodding) Bryant was one of college basketball's most efficient players in 2009, averaging 18 ppg and 14.2 rpg for Santa Clara, but went undrafted before putting in a solid season in the D-League last year.
The Jennings-less Bucks are short on star power in the backcourt, with athletic former UAB combo guard Paul Delaney as the purest point guard on the roster. Delaney was a last-minute addition to the 2009 Vegas Bucks after Dominic James was hurt in practice, and he not surprisingly didn't get much burn behind Brandon Jennings, Jodie Meeks and Salim Stoudamire. Former Dukie and one-time Warrior combo DeMarcus Nelson is also an option at the point, but it will be mostly interesting to see how much the Bucks test Hobson's purported point guard abilities. It seems like the 6'7" Hobson has the ball-handling skills for the job, particularly when he's guarded by swingmen, but no one's sure if he has the lateral quickness to keep up with quicker guards on the defensive end. Even if Luke Ridnour is re-signed, the Bucks will need an emergency PG on the roster, so it'd be nice if Hobson could fill that role--otherwise the Bucks have to sign someone else.
Tucker is hoping to resurrect his career after getting only minimal time in Phoenix the past couple years and had hoped Vegas would give him a chance to steal a roster spot with in Milwaukee. But with the Bucks adding Hobson, Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts that suddenly seems far less likely. D-League sharpshooter Antoine Agudio averaged 15.1 ppg and made a terrific 43% of his threes for Albuquerque last year, but it looks like he's the only guy on the roster who can really shoot. The 6'3" Agudio is an undersized SG who was previously a standout scorer at Hofstra (22.7 ppg as a senior) and has made 41% or better of his threes in both pro seasons and all four of his years in college. Dude can shoot. Former Virginia Tech jumping jack Deron Washington worked out for the Bucks last year but is coming off a pretty middling season in the D-League.
Given the Bucks' recent injection of youth and relative paucity of roster spots, I'd be surprised if any non-roster players from the Vegas squad made the regular season roster. It seems more likely the Bucks go with lower risk veterans to round out the guard and big man rotations, but of course anything is possible. Jackson may be the most interesting guy to watch given the Bucks grabbed him off waivers from Cleveland late last season and his 10/11 salary is non-guaranteed. My guess is that he's eventually waived to create a roster spot in the same way Stoudamire was last year, but at least he'll get a chance to prove otherwise.
Vegas is generally a showcase for guards, so the Bucks may have a hard time replicating the success of the last two years, when Ramon Sessions and then Jennings quarterbacked the Bucks to impressive showings. It's also worth remembering that big men frequently struggle with the tight foul calls in Vegas, though Vegas rules allow 10 fouls before they finally send you to the bench. Summer League starts July 12 for the Bucks and concludes on July 18. I'll be reporting from Vegas for the last weekend of games, and you can watch all of them live on your computer for $10.95 at NBA.com.
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Vegas Summer League
What about Jerome Jordan, there hasn’t been much said about him since the draft. I did see one item that he might be traded? Any news on him and will he be going to the Summer League?
is there a link to the official announcement anywhere?
by Superelkman on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't make it official until Corey Maggette takes and passes his physical examination in MKE
That whole trade is void depending on Maggettes’s physical which he is expected to pass.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Noah
Didn’t hear about that, thanks for the info.
J Jordan?
Is his move to the Knicks for cash a done deal? Haven’t heard that. The J-S had a report of a in-the-works a few days ago trade of Jordan to the Nets for a draft pick. Should I assume that’s not happening?
Because the pick was made with the 44th
That we got from GSW, the sale of Jordan is contingent on Maggette passing his physical which I understand will be today.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t rhe Knicks draft Jordan themselves and wait until after the draft and sign Rautins because I am pretty sure no one else would have drafted him.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why we are selling the pick when Mikhal Torrance went undrafted. We need a backup PG, and he at worst could be a D Leaguer for a year.
The two things
Are mutually exclusive, we can do both. 29 other teams didn’t draft Torrance either though.
by CanadaBucks on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Rautins would have gotten picked in the draft
I forget the other guys name they picked at 39, but he would have definitely went undrafted. I think that might have been Donnie Walsh’s 4th cousin they picked 39th. They probably were hoping Jordan would go undrafted.
Torrance’s heart condition scared everybody from picking him. I’d still stray away from a guy with a heart condition. Bad news for Torrance, but we don’t want a Rodney Stucky moment this year.
I’m sure teams like NY, Miami, LA, Chicago have no problem getting the exact guys that they want for summer league rosters. If I got to pick my team right now, I’d go for Miami. WIth 1 guy on the roster, there are a lot of slots to fill and they are going to need some $600k salaries to get those max deals guys.
by FearTheDeer on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Or like a 3rd world country
10% of the people have 90% of the money
by CanadaBucks on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard...
it was $1 million straight up but I don’t remember where I saw that…something during the draft I think
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Yes
Chris Sheridan says that’s the number.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/131/how-should-jim-dolan-spend-the-500000-he-saved
by Frank Madden on Jun 28, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The summer roster I'd like to see...
I’d rather we took the $1m we got for Jordan and spent a bit more to get some potential contributors on the summer league roster. Here are some guys I think would be nice fits:
PG Mikhail Torrance – Ala.
PG Sherron Collins – Kansas
PG Jerome Randle – Cal
SG Manny Harris – Mich.
SG Jon Scheyer – Duke
SG Jerel McNeal – Marquette
Pick one of each to replace PG Delaney and SG Agudio and you’ve instantly got a better squad plus two guys that might actually make an NBA roster…
I like Deron Washington
Plenty of defensive potential in him. I thought Dumars made a mistake last season by letting him walk, Detroit could have used a player like him. Hopefully he sticks around for the training camp.
Vegas Rosters
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2010/6/28/1540775/nba-summer-league-rosters-vegas
I’m set to watch the Bucks pretty much go 0-5 in summer league, we didn’t get anybody else.
a question.....
just because the guy is on your summer team doesnt give you any rights to sign him first before any other team right? Basically its a free for all first in best dressed kinda thing…..if you fancy someone at the dance you get in first?
Best dressed?
Are you slipping in Larry Harris references again? ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 28, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons opted out of his contract today
FEAR THE DEER!!! but not til next year =(
by russelTHEmuscle on Jun 29, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
Some people on RealGM who post quite frequently
Said that that Kohl and his lawyers vetoed a trade before the Maggette one. Not sure how much I could trust them, but does anybody here who goes on RealGM frequently; know anything about this?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
That sounds really interesting
Wonder what it entailed?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
They said they couldn't name any specific players,
But it was supposed to be one similar to the Maggette deal. Bell and Gadz for a big contract player.
All I know is that nothing good can come of Kohl screwing around with Hammond again.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 29, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
a speculation on the nixed trade...
that appeared in that thread was Andrei Kirilenko of the Jazz. I assume because of the contract.
Why would that deal be vetoed?
Isn’t he in his last year of his contract?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 29, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
?
One person mentioned Andrei Kirilenko as the likely unknown player. No one else that I saw commented, either way. Someone else said Kohl’s lawyers likely didn’t like the trade.
Draft Express says the contract is “huge” (17.8M this year) but to my eye doesn’t say for how long.
Kirilenko is expiring
Gadz/Bell wouldn’t be enough salary going out to make it work…Redd works straight up but I don’t know why Utah would do that given his health and the fact that both guys are expiring.
by Frank Madden on Jun 30, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe I should...
…in the future avoid referencing an unknown person with uncorroborated assertions. :)
I don’t recall other discussion of what trade might have been nixed, but could easily have missed it.
FWIW, I doubt Hammond went to Herb and said “I want to do this!” with Herb huddling and saying “No!”
John probably went to Herb (if this incident happened at all) and said “We’ve received an offer. What do you think of it?” Herb huddled and replied “Looks to me like it doesn’t help us. What do you think?” “Agree,” Hammond likely said, “but I’ve got another idea. Let me work it up and show it to you.”
I think it works like this...........
Hammonds sends Herb his request………Herb goes down to the basement where he has one of those big roulette wheels instead of black and red he has yes and no……he spins away and the rest is history
And if it turns out a winner...
…Herbie Goes Bananas? Groan! ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jun 30, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions

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