Aldridge: Bucks close to re-signing Salmons
by Frank Madden on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM CDT
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PrintWhen I said the Bucks were going "all in" this morning, I meant it. David Aldridge is reporting that the Bucks are close to finalizing a new contract with free agent John Salmons, one that would clearly signal the Bucks' intent of foregoing the chance at cap room next summer for a better chance of winning now.
The Bucks are on the verge of re-signing guard John Salmons, one of the top shooting guards available in free agency -- and thought to be on the move after opting out of his deal last month -- to a five-year, $39 million contract. The deal also includes $5 million in potential bonuses, according to a source, and two league sources say the Bucks have a buyout option for the fifth season.
Make no mistake, that's a lot of money for a 30-year-old swingman. But the deal becomes a lot more palatable if a) the buyout option is cheap and b) the $5 million in bonuses are included in the $39 million figure. Remember that Andrew Bogut's extension was initially reported at $72 million, but that included $12 million in unlikely bonuses.
Interestingly, Aldridge also writes that the Salmons and Gooden deals would preclude the Bucks from re-signing Luke Ridnour. I think they would still have some room under the luxury tax to bring back Ridnour if Salmons' deal isn't front-loaded, but I assume Aldridge isn't pulling that assertion out of thin air. And as I mentioned yesterday, front-loading Salmons' contract would make a fair bit of sense given his age and the Bucks' cap situation.
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I don't hate if for 4 years..... wonder what the buyout is??
But I really hope they can re-sign Luke….
All hinges on Bogut
If you really think about it, did Hammonds want to wait 2 or 3 more years to build, what with Bogut being so brittle and after a season that saw him come into his own? He is looking at the big picture here.
Great point, tommy....
Having an all-star caliber center is a luxury most teams don’t have – apparently, Hammond wants to cash in while Andrew is still in his prime.
Man, we cannot be that way. I have high hopes for the Bucks, but it would be ridiculous to expect 50 wins from a team that hasn’t done that in a decade. Let it simmer son.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say even if Altanta resigns JJ
We would be better than them, on the proverbial paper anyway and likely the Celtics as well.
Joel Bell
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really liking how the Bucks team is shaping up.
solid starting five and solid bench.
by Nick Barnett's Afro on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
I have gone on record
As being opposed to resigning Salmons at a deal such as this, and I still am however I think Hammonds took a look at the situation, knows the guard crop isn’t the best and figured what it would take to sign Salmons before other got at him. The rebuilding stage is over we are all-in
Bucks roster is looking stacked....
but at what cost? Salmons will be an old timer by the end of his deal and Gooden is….well Drew Gooden.
Atlanta ponying up......it is a watershed day in the NBA
rejoice everybody every single FA gets P A I D
actually changes the face of the FA game really.........unless LBJ, Wade & Bosch want to co exist
but I see Wade staying, LBJ staying, and Amare Staying………Bosch, Boozer one of them joins Wade in Miami……..Chicago say hello to Rudy Gay
Grizz just inked $82mil/5yr deal with Gay
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Salmons and Gooden for under the price of Gay – done in a heartbeat
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
But I am not dismayed over this. CDR is still pretty young. He will get a chance to shine with the second unit.
It's going to be an extremely strong second unit.
I don’t know if there is going to be much room for the rooks.
I wonder if Tiny and Hobson are going to find them selves in Fort Wayne for the season
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hammond Has a Plan for Hobson
He thinks the kid has legit skills to play the one. At this point, with the distinct possibility of losing Ridnour, that could happen.
Starting Unit: PG Jennings
SG Salmons
SF Delfino
PF Gooden
C Bogut
The Bench: PG Hobson
SG CDR, Redd
SF Maggette, Mbah a Moute
PF Ilyasova, Sanders, Gallon
C Jerome Jordan (He’s on this team until we have more than a single tweet to go on)
This team seems to lack a theme. We’re deep, but Skiles will have a mess to deal with. A trade is definitely going to make things clearer. I wish I understood what exactly the front office is thinking. I have faith, but this team seems like a contender for the Eastern Conference Finals, not Championship quality.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Then why is Jordan on the Knicks Summer League roster...?
Are you able to play on another team’s SL squad?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy schniekies!
I wake up and see we have Drew Gooden and now are likely to nab Salmons back in the fold? My goodness John Hammond goes for the jugular without mercy.
I have mixed feelings about the Gooden signing. He seems like this guy who has been on a ton of teams and while he’s never played terribly, he’s never played great. I have a feeling he’s going to be our more expensive version of Kurt Thomas. He’s 6-10 and he plays a lot of minutes at the center position, although the Clips chose to play him almost exclusively at the PF. In all honesty, I think he’s a bit expensive for a backup center, but he also gives us the flexibility to have a serviceable big man starter if Bogut gets hurt.
Who would be our starting PF? I think LRMaM and Ersan earned the right to be looked at for that honor last year. I gotta say I think the starting lineup will be Bogut-LRMaM-Maggette-Salmons-Jennings, with Gooden, Ersan, Delfino, CDR, and ??? coming off the bench. That is a pretty solid rotation!!
Gooden, in his history, has generally boosted rebounding rates by 0.5-2% when he’s on the court for his team, and the Clips were +177 points with him on the floor last year. Not great, but not terrible either.
My concern is that This money that’s going to Gooden and Salmons is going to limit our ability to sign our young guys besides Jennings. Are we going to be able to throw any money at Ersan or LRMaM when their contracts run out?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Gooden's a great floor general
Can really lead the break ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I can see that
Luc and Ersan are two great players though. How else do they both get playing time? Skiles is going to have to shuffle the lineup in some interesting ways.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ersan is the likliest to get traded Im sad to say if we go down that path
he has a great contract, he has talent and a great work ethic
Luc will get his 20-25 mins as a defensive stopper as he can cover lotsa guys
If it turns out that Gooden has only 3 yrs guaranteed
like I’m hearing, I think we hang onto Ersan because in 3 years he’s going to be a beast.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Luc just doesn't have any offense,
Offensive boards are great, but if you can’t put it back in the cup, its not helping much
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Tweet from @GeryWoelfel
Bucks will keep John Salmons. 5 year deal. Details forthcoming.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
So I'm looking at the Bucks.com roster
http://www.nba.com/bucks/roster/index.html
Anyone want to explain what we’re going to do with the 19 guys there (that will become 20 with Gooden)?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Some of the guys are there
Only because we have Bird rights…..Brezec, ivey, Stack are gone likely Jordan is supposed to be sold to the Knicks
Gone will be:
Stackhouse
Brezek
Ivey
Jordan
Thomas
Redd (maybe)
okay
Brezec, Ivey, Stackhouse, KT are all FA’s
Jerome Jordan is off to the knicks
Jackson has a NG contract so he can be cut
that help
Okay
yes that helps lol
Ivey leaves and Ridnour goes to FA (worst case scenario). Who is our backup PG?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah thats the last piece I assume back up PG
I think we try and get KT back and use a combo of Bogut backed up by Gooden and KT…id be okay with that
with these moves it might just make sense not to take anyone on and just let his contract run out
yeah but it makes sense to hold onto him till the trade deadline
They could plan to do something with Gooden and Redd at the deadline
Just a thought.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
also I must say its nice to have FA and traded players happy to come to the Bucks these days
beats having a reluctant RJ
I just saw this quote from CDR:
"I definitely learned from last year. I definitely learned how things can change. But my attitude is still the same. I’m really passionate about winning and that’s why I play. To win this game."
Douglas-Roberts was all smiles on Tuesday as he was in town to meet with team officials and reporters.
"I just wanted to let you all know that I’m elated (to be in Milwaukee)," he said. "I’m on Cloud Nine."
Awesome
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
the only reason I can think him not liking the deal is his bromance with Nelly is over
and he doesnt fancy playing D for Skiles when he can get his numbers for the Warriors without having to play D
Nothing seems right in the world in this FA period.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
also with these controversial or debated signings.......
this turns people off trying to steal away our assistant GM :) at least for another season till it all turns out great we crack 50 W and the 2nd round and they come calling again haha
Gay making a verbal commitment w/ Memphis for 5 year $80 mil
This year is a far cry from last year where the only splash was Detroit signing Gordan and Charlie V.
$16 mil per season seems like a lot for a guy who has never shown he can be a franchise guy.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
think everybody gets paid over market value this off season
a max for JJ 6 years at $120 miliion……er pass
NJ, NY, Chicago, Miami. A couple of these teams are going to be picking up scraps after being stood up by the big boys.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see Amare staying in Phoenix as well
they pay him he stays, he should stay anyway Id attach myself surgically to Nash If im Amare
NY: Ronnie Brewer here we come!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
haha seriously thats the best fit for him
he has Nash, he has Lopez to bang. he can do what he does best
New York is a joke. Stern should move the Knicks to Seattle.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
How much better is J Johnson than Salmons???
Is he 80 million dollars better???
Bahahahahahaha!!!!
JJ is 29 as well.....and he looked spent in the Orlando series 11ppg......
and they want to max him out…….I thought Atlanta were skint as well
haha
australia I think for cheap we say tight…..need Dave to clarify :)
when it comes time to pay he puckers up tighter than an a__hole
Clarification granted ;)
…tho skint/tight/cheap seem to be interchangable in Oz these days!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Dream scenario for the Bucks
Bosh goes to Houston, LBJ to Dallas, Boozer resigns, Amare resigns, shifting balance of power west and creating an opening for the Bucks to move up in the standings in the east.
Indeed.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The power's already out west... The East would be so watered down. Just the way the Bucks like it.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Bit like US beer?
Teasing…just teasing ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Canadabucks - do you live in canada?
If so, where? I used to work up there often.
Ive been from quebec city to victoria, and loved every bit of it! Even Saskatoon ; )
Toronto is the only big city in Canada that I haven't been to....
I always heard it is the New York of Canada, but better.
Don't drink beer, nor can I ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure you CAN...just DON'T get caught ;)
Not that I’m advocating under-age drinking or anything – I’m assuming that’s the reason?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...at least you have your youth ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh!...I know what you mean!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Which means I've still spent a few of my 'fun' years already...
…Alas and alack!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We can bust that opening ourselves at this point.
Hammond talked about Skiles early on as a potential Jerry Sloan for the Bucks. That would be amazing, just hope we get a few more titles.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing I love about this entire situation is
I trust our GM and Coach. Hammond has an eye for talent and I think he had just as much to do with building those Detroit teams in the 2000s as Dumars did. I can think of times I’ve disagreed with Hammond’s decisions, but been proven wrong (I wasn’t originally a fan of the Jennings pick, I’ll admit it).
Skiles will keep his guys in line and demand they play defense. We know this to be true. Guys that don’t get in line will ride the bench. He put Jennings and Bogut on the bench last year for long stretches when they weren’t performing. These new guys will get in line or they won’t play – simple as that.
Gooden and Maggette are vets who know how to get the job done. Some people probably won’t be a fan of Salmons based on his struggles with Chicago last year, but look at the chemistry he had with our team. Plain and simple – we won with Salmons.
Maggette is a great rebounder for a SF, one of the best for his position actually. Gooden is also a beast on the boards too. It looks like our frontcourt is going to be a rebounding machine. Maggette was never a great defender, but neither was Salmons. His few years before the Bucks he was averaging allowing about 1.12 points per possession, and under Skiles he trimmed that down to 1.06 points per possession. I think Skiles can get him to perform.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Celtics, anybody?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
We would need a big three for that. Our two look good, I can’t wait till the trade deadline.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hammond won't let that happen....
Gooden, Salmons, and Maggette will be gone before their skills are.
Good comment on the JS blog:
For the complainers take into account what were our weeknesses and ultimately our downfall in the playoffs?
1.rebounding(got killed in game 1,2,6 and 7)
2.consistant scoring(what did we score like 69 points in game 6 at home?!)
3.Anyone to backup Bogut if he got hurt(which he did)
4.defensive toughness inside/big body
5.Lack of consistant bench scoring outside Ridnour and ilyasova
1.Gooden huge upgrade
2.Salmons couldn’t do it on his own but was our one guy who scored everynight even if he didn’t shoot 50% maggette can flat out score and CDR/Gooden can put up 10-15 points depending on how they are each used.
3.Gooden is perfectly capable of taking over if Bogut god forbid goes down again.
4.Maggette and Gooden are much bigger bodies then Delfino and Mbah a moute.
5.Delfino to the bench and CDR with Ilyasova and hopefully a PG that can shoot a high percentage and Sanders/Hobson hopefully developing.
Makes sense to me
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
The point 1 is odd
The Bucks were the 3rd best Drebounding team in the league last season and probably the better when Bogut was healthy. They got killed in those games because Bogut was injured and, more importantly, because they missed lots of shots, more than the Hawks, which gave Atlanta more rebounding opportunities on their defensive board. Anyway, you can’t have too much rebounding and Gooden is another excellent rebounder to join an already strong squad on the boards.
2 is correct.
3 is complete nonsense. Thomas was a very solid backup center last season. And if Bogut goes down, the Bucks will be significantly weaker again. That’s true for pretty much every team in the league – if their best player falls down to an injury, they really don’t have a backup who can “take over”.
4 I don’t agree. The Bucks were extremely tough last season. Maggette and Gooden may be bigger than Delfino and LRMAM but they aren’t tougher and they certainly aren’t better defenders.
5 is correct.
Someone said they heard on the radio that Gooden's contract is:
5mil
5mil
6mil
8mil(team option)
8mil(team option)
If THAT’S true, that’s amazing.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Dan Fegan is a tricky old agent...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that contract cause the big money years are TEAM OPTIONS.
It is essentially a 3 yr $16 ml deal
Well that's not FOR SURE
just what I heard…
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is a big deal because...
our entire offseason strategy has been to get some big bodies to compete with the other teams in the East. Look at our playoff series with the Hawks. We were using DELFINO on Josh Smith! That’s a huge mismatch. Between all the guys we drafted, and Gooden and Maggette, we have a bunch of big bodies that can get rebounds and play some post defense. Gooden and Maggette are proven to be some of the better rebounders in the league.
We needed the big bodies to compete in the East. C’s have Big Baby, Perkins, KG, Sheed. Cavs had Shaq, Z, Varejao, LeBron, etc. Orlando had Howard, Gortat, Carter, Bass, etc. Atlanta had Pachulia, Smith, Horford, etc.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Maggette might actually be our 6th man
and provide some scoring off the bench. LRMaM would be starter at the 3 to provide more of a defensive presence.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Delfino is a very good defensive guy, tough and a good rebounder that sometimes gets over looked
because of his streaky shooting
Not overstated
Even if Bogut had not been injured, he would not have guarded Josh Smith anyway. We still would have been stuck with Delfino guarding Smith. These moves will help us underneath, and also help Bogut individually. And you can’t forget about our #1 pick. Sanders won’t start, but stick him with the second team now and then to have a shot-blocker with all those scorers. The lineup combinations are endless. Let’s also not forget the diminished pressure on Jennings to score. There will be games when he jacks up a bunch of shots, but they won’t need him to do that to win games. Big changes will lead to subtle improvements.
Actually I like that lineup
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know man, it just seems like too many pieces in the puzzle.
Where does the Prince fit in, and where does CDR go, where does anyone fit outside of Jennings, Bogut, and Gooden, it’s a crazy situation
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The beauty of that (lots of different pieces)...is that it makes us harder to match up on.
And gives us more tools to match against the varying styles/players of other teams.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
TY!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they will just send them out in lines like hockey.
Jennings → Hobson
Salmons → CDR
Delfino → Maggette
Gooden → Sanders
Bogut → Tiny
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The Main Thing is Now We Have Options
I Still like Kurt Thomas on a vet’s minimum with the promise to let him take an assistant coach’s position when he retires. The great thing though is that we don’t have any truly dead weight (I am starting to worry about Keith, he’d be a lot of dead weight if he fizzles, Doghouse Alert). No Bell, Simmons, Gadzuric, Jianlian, Alexander to waste our time.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Adrian Griffin still has the veteran player>>assistant coach spot
Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.
Again, I think Delfino is the starting 3, LRMaM will be finding minutes off the bench as a D specialist.
We can give him a new nickname, The Cooler. coming off the bench to cool off the other team’s best scorer when Salmons, Delfino or Gooden can’t handle them.
The blender used to be Danny G.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about Primoz...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It think he was the guy with hi hand caught in the blender,
at least that’s what him runnin’ around the court looked like.
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Pity he wasn't French...then he could have been a Frog in a blender...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ooh, so Aussies aren’t francophile either?
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we're one way or the other on that one...
…it’s just that the French are so much fun to make jokes about (but not as much fun as the Kiwis!)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think his perimeter shooting as a stretch 4 will make him a good pairing with Maggette.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ersan was probably my favorite player
So I won’t like to see him go. But if he doesn’t leave, minutes are going to have to be chopped into bit sized pieces…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Good news for Ersan's minutes
Gooden and Sanders can play 5, LRMaM can play some 3. He will play if he is ready.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the rookies will be the most likely to struggle for minutes with this roster.
The rookies that make the roster that is. With these moves it doesn’t seem as though any of the 2nd rounders will be on the opening day roster in Milwaukee.
yes but I see that as a positive
we have gone from needing to hit with our 2nd round pick to add a rotation guy to not having room for them because we have so much depth and talent as well
Bread and water
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem is the food that is crappiest for you is the cheapest.
He needs to be in the produce aisle and meat dept., not McD. and the snack and chip aisle
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Word to Pollen, we've got some well read bastards up on this blog
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
…cos catching up on all the posts since the Gooden/Salmons deals happened while I slept has so far taken me 90mins…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on well read bastards I mean :)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh Howard
Associates himself with plants.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
a bench of:
Maggette, Ersan, Luc, CDR, Sanders, Ridnour if they get him back wooahh Nellie thats stacked
Lol that team alone could probably win 30 games
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there could be room in the rotation for all these guys.
Look at it this way. Frontcourt is 3 guys on the floor at any given time. That’s 144 mins. Bogut is obviously the guy you build that rotation around. Bogut in his career averages about 33 mpg. So we have 111 mins to go around.
Gooden – lately around 25 mpg
Maggette – lately around 30 mpg
LucR – 25 mpg
Ersan – 20 mpg
Delfino – 20 mpg (had 30 last year, but career average is 20)
_____________________
Total – 120 mpg
That’s a little bit more than what’s available, but pretty close already. Unless Sanders WOWS everyone, I think he’ll be on the deep bench and be learning from all these vets, or he’ll be in the D-League.
Honestly, I think Gooden winds up being the backup center. I actually think that our starting lineup could be similar to last year – Bogut, Luc, Delfino, Salmons, Jennings. Why mess with what works? Gooden comes in to spell Bogut, Ersan for Luc, and Maggette for Delfino.
Maybe shave a minute off everyone’s playing time. Boom. It works.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Anything to get Ersan in there.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
This new found depth actually gives Skiles more power to yank guys for lack of effort.
Last year when he would yank the starters for lack of effort, the on court product could get ugly in a hurry, especially if Stack and Ridnour’s shot wasn’t on.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good point.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
haha yeah the threat is more obvious when you dont have to replace a guy with Gadz or Ivey
really your benching me for him? really?
And don't even get started with
…Primoz
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Adding to that, we have guys who can play multiple positions
Gooden – PF/C
Ersan – PF —> center in a pinch
Luc – PF/SF
Maggette – SG/SF
CDR – SF/SG/PG
Delfino – SF/SG
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We're the most versatile team in the league! ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Quite possibly!
Bogut and Jennings are solid starters and will probably get like 35 mpg apiece this season at the center and point guard positions. (What a luxury to have budding stars at the two most important positions)
Whoever we have for backup center and PG, they’ll only need to play like 13-14 mpg.
Then we have Gooden, Ersan, Luc, Maggette, CDR, Delfino, and Salmons to split up the minutes at the 2, 3, and 4 depending on who is hot and who is trying on defense. I’d say Salmons would be a solid starter at the 2 though.
The benefit with Gooden is that he’ll probably play like 25 mpg, and half of those will probably be at center and half at power forward – his flexibility is nice.
Really, we just need a backup PG and then we will have a pretty solid team
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is
we don’t really have a guy who can play backup center except for Gooden.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Has he ever played backup center before?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Frequently
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh.
For some reason I always thought of him as solely a PF.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also 6'10" - 250lbs.... nice size for C
I’m guessing Sanders will get some min as the 3rd C or 2nd/3rd PF in blowouts.
I think after Hammond signs a backup PG, he’ll be done spending – which probably means no K Thomas
bummed about no KT..... but what did he get last year the veteran minimum right?
is that Bargnani at Center…….Sanders get your ass in the game pronto ;)
Haha
Just remind me I was looking at on court impact ratings and Bargnani had the worst impact on a teams defense in the entire league.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
With Bosh likely gone the Raps can stop pretending he's a center
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i actually have some sympathy for the guy
having said that I wouldnt have outbid err nobody and paid him like that haha
not to mention defensive rotations and complicated things like that
but after Gadz he will look like a genius
I remember he got really upset at Biedrin's FT shooting...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nellie only likes small players
Everyone else is garbage to him.
“Dan, are you sure you play basketball…?”
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
If Gooden is backup C
Then he will get fewer minutes at PF, hence, will open up minutes for Ersan/Sanders et al. Does anybody think we still need a banger as a backup? Someone who doesn’t care to shoot? That’s conventional thinking but still might be a consideration.
Yeah
I think Gooden will split time between PF and C and may come off the bench because of that. This leaves Ersan or Luc to start at the 4, and then whoever doesn’t will be the backup with Gooden.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Gooden will start
Otherwise, you would have two guys on the bench who make more than three of your starters. They got him to start so he could compliment Andrew Bogut.
Some of the depth...
…may go in a trade. 2 or 3 guys (maybe Ersan or Mbah or Maggette or…) plus Redd’s contract for somebody who could be our 2nd or 3rd best player.
I don’t know who that’d be. But this is an unusual off-season. A close-to-blcokbuster trade would cap it off…
LOVE IT
I’ve been saying the Bucks were going to give him what he wants.
that would have to be a sign and trade because he is a FA
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
this won't happen
it makes no sense
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig Smith is Awesome
That was a coup for the Clips.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Very interesting.....
I wonder who would get shipped out? And how would it benefit the Bucks??? The already have like 19 forwards.
I doubt this will happen
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
@sbnation
Nets source believes they are the frontrunners to land LeBron, according to @chadfordinsider. http://sbnation.com/e/1311901
Well, that would certainly change things in our division and the conference.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
That's a "hype" post by Chad Ford
Because the Nets “said” it was a great visit. Yeah, that’s ironclad …hehe
Man if they got Bosh and Bron
with Avery Johnson as coach. Kept Devin Harris and Brook Lopez? That would be a hella dangerous team.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I can play that game as well.
“WE’RE the frontrunners to get LeBron!”
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
Was just making the point that anybody can say that.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I would rather be the last to present to Lebron than the first.
Your team’s presentation would be freshest in his mind when deciding his new team.
Okay i wouldnt be that blunt ;)
but itd be tough love if you want people to bow down to u your better off in Cleveland…..if you want someone to make you the best and push you everyday to get better etc etc we are your team
after that Id roll out Jay Z and the Russian haha that should seal the deal
It is true that in all this hype, no one is talking about his performance against the Cs
Including his inability to play with that shoulder injury that we haven’t heard anything more about.
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Who the heck wants to go to Newark?
Ever been there? I have; it’s a craphole. Although the Nets are moving to Brooklyn in a couple years.
Why would LBJ stay in Cleveland if he wants to win???
Look at his supporting cast…. yuck. I don’t see it.
Cleveland is cursed
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
haha does LBJ want to win that badly.......he wants to be King of the Show basically
in Cleveland he doesnt have to shoulder all the blame but that got wiped way after this play off season still we say his team sucks so……
Woelfel says Salmons is for 5 and 42
http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_8a452abe-853b-11df-85cc-001cc4c03286.html
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Also...
Lash said the much-traveled Gooden — the Bucks will be his ninth pro team — was also looking for stability and the Bucks’ offer certainly provides that.
Lash said some details of the contact still needed to be ironed out, but expected all five years of the pact to be guaranteed.
While the parties have agreed in principle to the deal, Gooden can’t formally sign a contract until Jul. 8.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, five guaranteed? Hopefully they can iron that out to 3 guaranteed
by Brick's house on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, from a comment:
True Hoop reported Salmons contract to be announced at 4 p.m. Its front loaded with incentives and a pretty good deal…
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nets, Bulls, Heat give him a much better chance to win a ring.....
Hell…. the Clippers & Kings give him a better chance…. and they all have the have the $$$ to pay him.
That remains to be seen
Wouldn’t it be easier to add a key piece with Lebron in Cleveland, than to start from scratch? I think Chicago gives him a good chance because they already have good players.
You think Cleveland is cursed ..
What about the Knicks and Nets?
Someone who has the cap numbers down to a science?
Do we have enough money for Ridnour?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Nobody knows what Salmons/Gooden start at
That’s the key since Redd’s deal will get us close to lux tax
I would rather keep pretending the Lakers don't exist.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Woelfel on WSSP
the Bucks worked out some 6-10 guy who played in Japan last year LOL
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
that was today
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
umm ..errr
Who played in Japan last year? I cancelled my Japanese Basketball News subscription. ;)
Beats me
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ridnour gets an offer of 4+mil from another team....
Will Hammond still try to get him, or focus on another backup PG??
Another one
Woelfel just said on WSSP that he talked to a GM who said he thought Ridnour would wind up in NY
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for him if he gets his loot
The team will suck, but he will be richer.
Regardless...
It seems Hammond thinks next years cap space won’t do much…. so he’s securing talent now.
With newfound depth of our team
Hammonds might think it less crucial to sign Ridnour.
Agreed....
I think he’ll sign a journeyman backup PG – and Hobson will be the 3rd?
Duhon, Earl Watson, Carlos Arroyo are all Unrestricted FAs
And CJ Watson & Will Bynum are restricted FAs
I’d be happy w/ any of them – and I’m guessing all will come cheaper than Ridnour
I’m especially smitten w/ Arroyo – great size & spark off the bench.
With Maggette and Sanders running the floor with the second unit,
all the bucks really need is someone who can distribute the ball, and hopefully shoot 2-3 3 pointers a game
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 1, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He averaged 6ppg & 3apg in 22mpg
Not really a 3point threat – but shot 48%fg and 84%ft – and has good size at 6’2" – 200lbs
I remember him being a sparkplug off the bench in the little bit that I saw of him last year.
Highest in the league, baby!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Only one day into free agency and teams are already breaking the bank
It’s kind of sad to see teams with such crappy GM/Ownerships break the bank for players that aren’t worth it (Atlanta, Memphis, Minnesota…)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I think the ones that know
They wont get the big fish locked up second tier guys because when the cap friendly teams that don’t get onee of the big guys comes shopping…………Doesn’t explain Darko though
Nothing can explain Kahn.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked the Darko signing
In fact, I think it’s an extremely cheap deal for Minny. Excellent shot-blocker, very good defender, solid rebounder for 4 years on a salary bellow the MLE?
I can’t think of a single center in the NBA out of his rookie deal who’s as good as Darko and has a cheaper contract.
Ok you lost me here
You are good with the Wolves signing Darko for 4 years but not comfortable with the 5 years Gooden and salmons got?
It's a substantial difference
Darko’s contract is only partially guaranteed in its 4th season, so he’ll make little more than $16 millions.
Gooden will make $32 millions, it’s basically the double.
And Gooden isn’t that much better than Darko, it depends on the role: if what you need is inside defense, Darko is more valuable + Darko is younger and will be in his prime years during the contract.
Anyway, I don’t think Gooden+Salmons contracts are bad, I called Gooden contract acceptable.
In any case, guys at Darko’s level don’t get paid less than this and they generally do a lot more money.
True.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Either way, hopefully Jennings can avg 30-35mpg this year....
and the backup won’t be THAT important, anyways….
I’m intrigued to see if Hobson can actually play PG at all…. even a lil.
Of course…. that’s if he makes the team.
But it’d be pretty cool to see a 6’7" PG, but only when the Bucks are up by 30 points with 5min left : )
paul Pressey
used to play point-forward for the Bucks sometimes….He was at least 6’5" Marques Johnson even did as well one year in the Playoffs
Or Ron Walter *coughcough*
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually he would have probably taken CP or Deron
Why? Point Guards!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
he would have taken Bogut....because he confused for a white european....
scout: he is from Australia Dave
Kahn: Austria!!! I must have him
Lol
White Euros and Point Guards…David Kahn’s apparent love interest…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many pieces right now....but let's say we keep who we have....and sign Ridnour
Minutes split something like this I’m guessing.
PG – BJ – 33, Ridnour – 15
SG – Salmons – 30, CDR – 14, Delfino – 4
SF – Delfino – 18, Maggette – 25, Prince – 5
PF – Gooden – 15, Ersan – 17, Prince – 16
C – Bogut – 33, Gooden – 10, Sanders – 5
No reason to sign another C IMO. I’m seeing Turkish Delight as the odd man out, which sucks. He was my fav on this team least year. I’m hoping something is up with Maggette and he gets moved for something else.
Sounds like a Mel Gibson line from 'We Were Soldiers'...
‘…men will die!’
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
There will be blood...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
***SHUDDER!***
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Always
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Count me in.
I’m sure the money I have will be enough to nab him…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Ha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Definitely “all in”.
Redd’s contract becomes more important after these moves. I hope they can turn it + young players into another quality starter.
That 5th year should be a killer IMO. Even going “all in” 5 years is too much.
Gooden contract is acceptable for a guy like him. I’d rather go with an Ilyasova/Sanders rotation and re-sign Thomas or someone like him for the minimum but it is what it is. If they were decided to sign another rotational player, Gooden isn’t a bad choice.
Anyway:
Jennings/?
Maggette/Salmons/Delfino/LRMAM
Bogut/Gooden/Ilyasova/Sanders
Out of rotation:
CDR/Hobson/Gallon
It’d make a lot of sense to keep Ridnour now.
Lots of depth and tradeable young assets make for an even more interesting season..
Cant complain with our new found depth, but how will the minutes get divided up especially at forward? Even though Hammond’s Detroit teams didnt have a superstar, it would be nice to see a trade of some of this depth along with Redd’s contract for someone who will put us over the top. This year has more excitement and expectation that I would have normally assumed, so anything less than a 3-4 seed would be a disappointment.
Frank is right though
The Salmons trade IS the gift that keeps on giving.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Kurt Thomas...
Will anyone pay him more than 1-2mil a yr?
I'd love Thomas as our backup/3rd C...
Have him play 60 – 70 games @ 10 – 15mpg…. Plus, he’d be a good mentor for Sanders, IMO.
I was just thinking that lol
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
We can only pray...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I want gooden as a backup
Whether it be at PF or Center.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that we have a legit PF....
I’m surprised no one has made a Vin Baker reference : )
Has anyone ever noticed how much like Vin baker looks like Drew Gooden...LOL!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
A lighter skinned Baker.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
There should have been no 'like' in front of Vin...
…horrible screw-up of the Englisg language on my behalf!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
'English'!....aaargh!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe you want to be a teenager again
They put like in front of pretty well every noun in a sentence
Like, y'know? :)
I’d love to be a teenager again, just so I could have a body that is not so quickly breaking down on me…but I’d really want to keep my intelligence (questionable as it is), cos I really didn’t have much for those 6 years in the teens!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Most teenagers do.
I can verify that.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
But Speedy...
…you actually do it with humility and a self-deprecating humour. Not many can say they have those two qualities in this current teenage world (come to think of it, not back in my teenage world either)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Why, thank you good sir ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe....
But I really think they brought him here to play alongside Bogut – though I’m sure he’ll see time at C
Has anyone heard the details of either the Salmons or Gooden deals?
Are they both really guaranteed for 5 years???
Here's something to fish up
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17499/bucks-still-fishing-for-salmons
(Nice use of puns, Ford.)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm....
It’s the length of the deal that REALLY bothers me…. let’s hope the 5th year buyout is cheap
Agreed...
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Hammond say once
That they wanted to win but “Not at any cost”?
You can throw that out the window…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
hazard of this outrageous FA market.....the big guys have so much money
the smaller markets have to get in over pay slightly and give longer contracts a lot of clubs will be feeling this off season for a lot of years
though I wonder if they know something about the next CBA and how it effects deals signed before it that could explain Gay/JJ getting maxed maybe the ability to NG contracts changes
Well...
They’re not going over the tax, so it’s not at any cost. They’re basically saying “how can we spend all the money we have at our disposal?” and then doing it. It’s not ideal, but it’s not going to kill you as long as these guys remain decently productive.
And yes, I’ve been looking for ways to rationalize all day.
by Frank Madden on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than the Harris Method
Remember waiting til September to match Charlie Bell’s offer from Miami? Hammond, though a doddering interview, is decisive. He knows what he wants and he will act upon that plan.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I read that only the first 3yrs of Goodens deal is guaranteed??
Any truth to that?
I've heard otherwise.
That the ENTIRE thing is guaranteed. But nobody knows for sure.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's some extra thoughts from Bucksketball
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't say that ANYONE knows the terms of the deal...
…but…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a good article.
And Bucksketball looks a lot different that the last time I saw it!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, very different...
…it’s the first time I’ve seen it in months.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
They somehow got hooked up to the Truehoop network. I guess Brewhoop was already linked to Yahoo! Sports and SBN. That work the graphic artist did is slick.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Im gonna say I don't think so
Would seem stupid to turn down 4 years 27m guaranteed to enter Free Agency then sign a 3 year 24m contract the first day.
Lol....
http://twitter.com/brewhoop/status/17530117907
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Actually, I don’t do Twitter, but I have to say, Frank looks exactly as I pictured him!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't use twitter either
Just look at it every once and a while.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
“Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal”
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/17532750239
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Is this better or worse than the Gooden signing...?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Worse...
At least with Gooden, you know what you’re getting…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Jinx!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On you CanadaBucks!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hehe...I don't think I've said 'Jinx' since I was Speedy's age ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Way worse....
Gooden is cheaper & a proven player
Like Tiny Gallon at a buffet?
Sorry, I had too…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha!
Oh dear!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The Raps must be REALLY scrambling...
…knowing that Bosh is departing.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's about the same
Players of similar impact with similar contracts.
In a vacuum I’d rather have Amir because I believe that with a steady regime of regular minutes he can still become a little better than he is, but for the Bucks Gooden makes a lot more sense (as Johnson makes more sense for the Raptors).
And none of that is in the paint
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Without AJ they wouldn't have no one who can defend
and a 5th big like Reggie Evans, who shouldn’t be playing more than 7mpg, would be their only rebounder.
And last season they were very good offensively and terrible defensively.
Plus, they couldn’t use this money to go after a scorer or a different player at all. Not re-signing Johnson would simply make Reggie Evans and Ed Davis their other bigs.
D'oh!
Stop making me feel naive Joana! ;)
You are really well researched and knowledgable…way more so than myself!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
I just disagree with most of you about the value of rotational players whose biggest talent is inside defense.
No, it's not that you disagree...
…anyone can do that. It’s that you actually logically justify what you are saying, and are well-versed enough in teams/players needs and structures to back it up.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a pretty big risk...
…because even tho he has a ton of upside, Amir hasn’t really proven anything in the league yet.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He can defend extremely well
Plus he’s a good rebounder and very efficient as a complementary offensive player.
I suppose they thought he was the best player
available. Who are the bigs they have under contract right now? Johnson, Davis. Reggie Evans and Bargnani? Johnson will probably start alongside Bargnani. Davis has talent but he’s at least 2 years away from being a solid contributor. He’ll probably be the 4th big next season, playing 10-15 mpg or something.
If you guys were GMs
with whom would you fill the spots in the big man rotation of your team? Nobody would want to play for you because you wouldn’t pay anybody, you’d be reduced to have the Solomon Jones and Shelden Williams of the world in your rotation unless you’d be lucky enough to sign 4 superstars.
Good point
I guess you would want to not pay a guy that much on potential. Then again, there is a definite reason why I’m not a GM ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he has that much potential
He can improve a bit on some areas but he is what he is: a very good defensive big man who understand his role on the other side.
But this kind of player generally gets this kind of money. Even if he doesn’t improve, this is a fair deal. It becomes bad if he regresses, like it supposedly happened to Gadz, but I don’t expect that to happen with AJ at all.
So far the Gooden & Salmons numbers look very good compared to....
The deals for J Johnson, Rudy Gay, Darko, and Amir.
Perspective
I get the feeling that Hammond has played this FA ‘Bonanza’ situation pretty shrewdly. If you put the Salmons/Gooden deals in perspective with these others, I think maybe he’s put the scares up other GM’s and forced them to ‘up’ their own FA’s.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
And he couldn't spend the Salmons money this year on someone else
Because he’s a Bird rights signing.
by Frank Madden on Jul 1, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Ridnour was crucial for Jennings first year, but as the Young Buck grows into the role, his skillset is less needed. We’re being fair, letting him test the market in a free agent bonanza in which the biggest point guard prize is Raymond Felton. Ridnour could become the target of a Lebron also ran that is suddenly using that cap space to fill vacant rosters. Hammond made his move and will try with Ridnour, but 6-8 million is not worth it for a guy you know will be your backup point.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing to consider with all this depth...
At some point in the season, a playoff team may lose a key player to injury, and be desperate to replace him – putting the Bucks in the drivers seat for a trade of some sort.
I think Hammond has that in is plans.
The man is always thinking 3-4 steps and 6 months ahead.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I know some fans are concerned about the deals for Salmons, Gooden, and Maggette...
but put your faith in Hammond – becauses there’s NO WAY he messes up the salary situation after he worked so hard to clean up the mess left by Larry Harris.
In the big picture of the salary cap world…. these are not crippling-type contracts if they don’t work out. None of them are nowhere near max-type deals.
The ones that screw teams for years, are ones like Eddy Curry, Redd, Brand, etc…
Any chance in 5 years
We’ll all be blogging saying “Man Hammonds made Harris look like a genius, remember the summer of 2010 when Larry wrecked the team.”
Nah...
…I reckon the blogs will say ‘…remember the summer of ’10 when we thought John had wrecked the team, then, 2 years down the track, we made the NBA Finals 2 seasons running’.
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
I didn’t want to reach too far…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Doubtful
No move with that kind of impact.
Plus, the Bucks will be playing in the playoffs in the next few years barring major injuries and winning a fair percentage of their games and fans generally don’t say those things as long as the team is winning.
The problem may be that these moves make it more difficult to find another pieces in the future that may be needed to put the team over the top – maybe this team can find some road-blocks in the future as a 50 wins team that can’t improve from there.
I think that's why it's important
To hang onto Redd for now, might have a better idea at trade deadline what’s good and what’s not.
Yes
People tolerate a couple outsized deals so long as team is winning.
by Frank Madden on Jul 1, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The 2004 Pistons were made up of talented nomads & cast-offs - and a young star in T Prince
It looks as if JH is using the same fomula….. How many 50 win seasons did those teams have??? A LOT!! : )
Wow, Everybody seems to be on a frenzy with 5 yr deals.
There are reports that Frye has just signed a 5 year contract., and the Lakers are also offering Mike Miller one.
Maybe there’s more to this then we thought. Something to the new CBA?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Mike Miller to the Lakers!?!
Yeah, I see it, but when do they get a point guard?
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
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"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Accidental post...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad to hear it...thought you were sleeping on the job ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't want to take a pay cut ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
So who's gonna backup Jennings???
That’s what I wanna know!
He's very good at shooting the 3
Horace Grant can vouge for him.
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 2, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
though it is interesting we have spent a bit and yet....
we dont really have a clear back up C and a clear back up PG
How much $$$ is even available for a FA backup PG??
I’m still hoping they’ll get KT for cheap and platoon him w/ Gooden & Sanders as the 2nd/3rd C
Was just thinking...
…I don’t know if it’s possible (league rules etc), but it just occurred to me that Hammond may be procuring all of these contracts in order to sell them to the highest bidder to all the schmuck teams (I’m looking at you NYK!), when they ultimately crap out in the FA stakes…off to physio (have a Redd-like knee), I await your comments when i return in an hour or two!
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Maybe all the GM's just got together and said,
“Look, let’s just give everyone huge contracts that they can’t refuse so we can all get what we want right away.” ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they’re hoping that the lockout of 10-11 and a new, restrictive CBA in which teams are allowed to rework contracts are to come.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, I bet both of these contracts
have language about the potential lock out season, and the money the will lose.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 2, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes every deal look great.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'd even take the Gay contract over JJ's
Rudy is nowhere close to a max player, but at least he’ll be in his prime over the life of the contract.
by Frank Madden on Jul 1, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The dude is 29 years old.
This might go down as one of the worst contracts in the history of the game.
well played ATL.
Bango doesn’t need to take any of them out, They just did it to themselves.
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by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 2, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Suns like Warrick?
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17511/suns-showing-most-interest-in-warrick
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I think the main point is the Suns have no GM now.....that could explain the Warrick envy
hardly the ideal replacement for Amare but in essence I can see he cant rebound much he can dunk and we can pay him $80 million less
Who? ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 1, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It would appear I'm not alone,
but I can’t get enough Bucks news these days. Love the signings. With these in mind, I’ve got a question for the pros in here. Is the rumored trade where we lose Ilya & Redd and get Harris worth it now? Before today, I’da said no way, but now???
Not a big fan of having an undersized SG (Harris) start. He's naturally a PG anyway but..
TBH I don’t think it’s worth moving Redd’s contract AND Ilyasova. Unless Harris could play backup (Improbable, but hey, we can dream.) I’d like to keep Sova and Redd’s contract a little bit longer in Milwaukee.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 1, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking as the backup to BJ and,
in lieu of Ridnour. Maybe have them both in there at times, depending on matchups. Think that’d work?
Bogut's twitter:
Love all the haters killing our new team mate. easy to be a arm chair critic. If you guys know so much step up to the plate and become GM!
http://twitter.com/AndrewMBogut/status/17540971680
Love this.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I assume it's in relation to Gooden...
…tho you could say Maggette, CDR, Tiny, Sanders or Hobson in the same breath I guess..
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Bogut has to be very happy that he now has a real PF next to him!
Bucks should be in the top 10 in RPG w/ Bogut, Gooden, Ersan, Luc, Maggette all being abover-average rebounders….. and maybe Sanders??? I like it!!
Ok… maybe Luc isn’t an above average rebounder – but still…. the Bucks should be an excellent rebounding team.
I think he is
I’d even call LRMAM a well above average rebounder.
Plus, in the backcourt Delfino is one of the best rebounders at his position. And even Jennings is above average for a PG. Salmons is also solid.
The Bucks were one of the best rebounding teams in the league last season, top-3 in DRR, and they won’t be any worse in the next one. However the players individually will look worse rebounders that what they are.
As much as I despise the Lakers....
Could D Fisher be an option at backup PG? He can still hit the 3 ball.
Fish is smart he sticks as close to Kobe's career as humanly possible....plus he wants to be In LA cos of his daughters medical issues....
though I dont know if that applies anymore
really I dont see how any team apart from Miami with Wade or maybe Chicago if the add Bosch as well
bring him closer to a championship all of the other squads will have holes just like Cleveland and LBJ couldnt cover them then…..plus coaching championship teams is an issue as well
I really think LBJ will price himself out of a championship...
I know the guy has great bball skills, and some business mind apparently…but i THINK HE’S A DUMBASS (oops, unintentional capslock…but hey, it actually does it justice – I’ll leave it in) when it comes to the championship big picture. If I was him (ok, I know I don’t have millions at stake, but hey…), I’d drop my price by half and then see who can give me a run at a ring or two because they have great pieces already because I haven’t just crippled them financially for the next 6 years.
Sounds simple when you sit at a desk behind a cheap desktop computer tho…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
that goes against his ego I think he wants to get paid max and be seen as the man.....
I think he was kinda revealed in his comment after the Cavs lost game 4-5 cant remember and they asked him should the Cavs be worried and he was like why should they they have Me!!!
dude that was stupid and outrageous and revealed alot about how much Gilbert , Brown and the Cavs enabled his ego and entourage to grow outta control
and if it means it lessens its chance of winning Im not sure deep down he is that worried, he expects like most things it will come to him for free……………..not That he doesnt seem a decent team mate and all and even a nice guy but the Cavs organisation never put their foot down to him…would have helped them both I imagine
It's the Nets or Miami
As I once posted on Fear the Sword, Lebron would leave Cleveland to sell more Jerseys. He’s leaving Cleveland. They had their chance to build something around them. Now’s his chance to pick a winner.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not sure.....Scott was a smart choice as coach another enabler......
I dont think he wants to share the spoils with Wade is that fair? and if they cant get a decent roster together in Nyets as alot of complimentary 2nd tier guys are getting re upped I can see him staying………..Im not sure Id want Amare or Boozer riding shot gun in my championship drive ;)
Yeah, but that’s why I think the Nets are the frontrunner. If Bosh goes to Miami, that would be a golden ticket for LeBron. Amare and Boozer are a hell of a lot better than Antawn Jamison at this point. Mo is not even a point guard. Only sentimentality and image makes him play out his career in Ohio.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Back up PG options
Ridnour should be our first option but I’m kind of interested in Eddie House because of his ability to shoot the 3 which should create more space for CDR and Maggette to create scoring opportunities off the dribble. Thoughts?
I hate Eddie House
he’s such a showboater and has a big mouth. He annoys me for some reason. Plus he’s a shooter, not a point guard.
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by dishingoutdimes on Jul 2, 2010 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
House would be great as your bench shooter - but not as your backup PG....
Plus, Skiles would probably strangle him the first time he jacks up a contested 3 with 20 sec on the shot clock.
actually I think skiles would like his competitive nature and chirpy ways just like Stack
it was like a ritual last year Stacks gets off the bench, runs down and jacks up a contested fadeway 3 just to warm up…..ahh the good old days
I want a World Game in the Summer, played alternately in the States and at the O2, between the NBA Champs and the Euro Champion. I also want a single elimination tourney between lottery teams to determine pick order.
So, you have to win the tourney to prove you are the least deserving lottery team to get the 1st pick...
…or throw it completely and tank every game to prove you are the least deserving team, but still get the 1st pick. Which one do you envision the league use?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Best team would definitely get first and so on. Teams wouldn’t be able to tank as they would still need to field a decent team for June Madness.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
'June Madness' - great name! :)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
John Hollinger of ESPN
If guys have an ESPN subscription, I recommend you read his take on the Gooden signing. It’s the best I have seen yet.
snippets from the article
He has two definable skills. Gooden is elite among power forwards in two areas: Rebounding and midrange shooting. Last season he was tied for seventh among power forwards in rebound rate, and a year earlier he was 10th. From outside, he hit 45.2 percent of his long twos last season, the third time in four years he’s been over 45 percent.
more ..note the Detroit reference
He was easily the best big man available at this price: Sorry Amir Johnson. In all seriousness, who were the other options for Milwaukee? They wanted a big man who could start at the four, back up Andrew Bogut if he had to, space the floor and rebound. Who else was available for less than $50 million that could do that? Udonis Haslem? Brad Miller? The list thins out pretty fast once you get through the Amare/Boozer/Lee crowd, which is why Milwaukee jumped early.
As a result, I think the Bucks have left themselves in great shape without overspending. They needed more offense and with Corey Maggette and Gooden they got it. They needed to stay under the luxury tax and pulled it off; Maggette actually saved them 2010 money and the deals for Gooden and John Salmons (at least at the numbers we’re hearing) are reasonable for starters on a playoff team.
They’ll probably let Luke Ridnour walk and use the biannual exception for a backup point guard — they can’t afford much more or they’re in tax territory — but at the end of it they’ll have a 10-deep team that makes up in quantity of good players what it lacks in superstar talent. All of which, you’ll recall, is a bit reminiscent of Bucks GM John Hammond’s last team in Detroit. The odds are still against Milwaukee landing on that trajectory, but I think the short-term positives of Gooden’s addition outweigh the long-term risks. It should leave the Bucks’ frontcourt in much better shape than it was a year ago.
Gooden is definitely an upgrade over Luc at PF (as starter).
4-5 more REB and 6-8 Pts more as well. Probably taking a smaller hit back with D, but…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still not completely convinced about the Gooden signing.
It would be one thing if it was only a short term deal. But Gooden has had a lot of problems adjusting and he’s a relatively poor defender. 5 years seems way too much for a player of his caliber, if you ask me. But something must be up in that the other teams are also giving 5 year deals like a lot. Or I’m looking to deep into this.
All I can say is that I hope he can find a place here and prove me wrong.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I think we should have a new stat for like potential comedic value during a season....
Gooden would be be top FA agent and Tiny Gallon a lottery pick so Im all for it…..I feel Maggette has plenty of potential in this area as well
Ron Artest would be off the charts.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
We will know long before the 5 years is up
I guess all we can do is hope. It’s not like he’s been a head-case; probably a victim of financial circumstances. We do know that the Bucks needed a legit 4 next to Bogut, and as Hollinger pointed out, he was the best option.
SpearsNBAYahoo
Suns agreed to terms on a 4year, $18 million deal with free agent forward Hakim Warrick, sources tell Y! Sports.
Warrick getting that big of a deal can only mean one thing.
Lockout here we come!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
haha
Is this what they mean when they say: “Christmas in July Sale?”
I guess so :)
Nash will probably make Warrick look amazing in Phoenix.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
That's true, and good for Hakim.
He’s a good player, he just didn’t fit in w/ skiles’ system.
He’s ideal for Phoenix. I was a fan of Hakim for what he was. So best of luck to him
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 2, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Very very very poor man's Amare?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Peasent's Amare
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Its simple: supply vs. demand
Based on the number of top tier FAs and the amount of cap space teams have available its inevitable to happen. Hammonds was smart to hit before teams start getting desperate. I’ll bet the Hawks and Memphis both work out sign and trades for JJ and Gay while the Bucks will be able to trade someone, before the start of the season, for more than their worth.
Quite possible
The Bucks will be in the driver’s seat.
I hope Wade, Bosh, and James are on same team
Yeah, they will be potentially awesome. But how many other suitors become much, much worse?
Bucks a top 3 team in the East???
If LeBron leaves Cleveland for New York with Bosh or Amare with the other teaming up with Wade in Miami where does that put the Bucks in the East’s pecking order? Behind Orlando probably one of the above mentioned teams depending on who the add to fill out their rosters, but then who else? Atlanta didn’t improve and we took them to 7 without Bogut, Chicago won’t be a factor even if the then landed Boozer. I think the Bucks have a legitimate reason to think they’re now in the discussion.
Let's not get cocky here.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't....
Stars should be spread out.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I expect to be kept...
…in the manner I have become accustomed to. That means I expect by mid-afternoon to hear about a Bucks trade or signing.
This “quiet” may be the norm for 29 NBA teams but it is not the 2010 Hammond style…
Don't know what else he can do ...
But that’s what people say about David Copperfield ;)
Give JH some more time...
…teams won’t get desperate enough for at least another week or two yet. If it’s his intention to trade, he’s just waiting for the right moment ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda hopes he signs a backup PG soon....
It’s slim pickins to begin with – I’d hate to see them end up w/ Ivey as the #2PG… yikes!!
They're gonna cost more too
I read that a host of teams are after Blake. he might get $5 million per ….
IMHO we have too many players for a rotation
Plus Hammond has talked about being active in FA.
Plus we have Redd’s contract (maybe we wait; maybe not).
Plus my feeling that this is going to be a crazy off season.
Plus Hammond LIKES incremental trades that get more value than they give because of off-the-court factors.
So when I return from a doctor’s appointment, I expect you’ll have a new move to tell me about…
Here's one trade idea...
From GrandAdmiralDan at RealGM:
What would people think of this idea?
Delfino
Mbah A Moute
Darnell Jackson
2012 2nd round pick
$3 mil cash
for
James Posey
Darren Collison
1st round pick (top 10 protected in 2011 and 2012, top 3 protected in 2013, 2014, 2015
The Hornets are in bad financial shape, and we’d be doing them a huge favor by eating Posey’s contract for them, along with the gift of $3 mil cash.
Would we still be willing to do this without the inclusion by either team of the draft pick portion of the deal?
I’d like that because I’d like a good back up PG. Like Skiles to have options there. (Like he’s had with Ridnour, but with more athleticism.)
Collison is a good player to give up. But the right package might make it work.
I dont like giving up either Luc or Delfino....giving up both I totally hate
Posey is worse than Maggette in that Maggette is still very productive stats wise….
I like it....
Luc & Delfino are expendable – Collison is a bad ass – and we’d probably get a lottery pick in the deal, possibly a very high lottery pick.
But how long & how much is Poseys contract???
I agree w/ you about having too many players for the rotation…. I’m guessing someones gonna go.
I think Collison is a hot enough talent...
…to give up Delfino & Luc + $3m + 2nd rounder…but I don’t know if I’d want the burden of Posey… (of course, the whole purpose of this deal for NOR would be to purge Posey, so…)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
the system here
stripped out my bracket end quote end bracket before the beginning of my words: I’d like that…
I wish
Then we could have “discussions” with him. ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I reckon that he's probably not a member...
…but in all likelihood views the posts from time to time…just to hear the prattle we go on with and laugh inwardly at himself at just how far off the mark our future ideas and projections are…Hi John! How’re ya doin’? ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see him doing that.
Although it would be very awkward if he made an account and started trying to prove all of our views wrong ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We would figure it out pretty quickly...even if he had an obscure username.
Funny…I was just trying to think of anyone who contributes regularly who has been spot on (in a roundabout way) with all the moves so far (as a potential JH sighting), but I’m pretty sure that no-one had forseen the Maggette or CDR moves in advance. Gooden was talked about, as was obviously Salmons, but…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Re Posey
Europa says: “He has 2/$13.5M left. Not good by any means but not crippling. He’d become a very nice expiring after next season.”
Re the players who’d leave: I like ‘em both. Value them. But I suspect they’re not quite good enough for the team we’re becoming.
But this is mostly an example. The type of thing that might still happen.
Ridnour can only dream of having Steve's passing ability...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
somehow I see Amare noy quite the player he proclaims without Nash feeding him......not that I think he is any great shakes now
or as good as he could be…..
Don't say that on Bright Side of the Sun...
there are some people there that are convinced that Amare is the 2nd best player in this FA class…
Amare is an incredibly gifted player..... who is lazy.
Nash makes him look great – he plays no D and is a bad rebounder, given his size & abilities.
bang on the money...........
dude shut the rebounding pretty quick against the twin towers of the Lakers without Lopez, right situation he is fine when the chips are down do you want him having your back…no thanks
finally done
chadfordinsider
Breaking News: Bucks-Salmons finally agree on deal. 5 years, $39 million, but last year only partial guaranteed. Link coming …
by Nick Barnett's Afro on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
Finally.
Glad that the last year is only partially guaranteed.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We could always ask the Kings for some.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not exactly sure what "Partially guaranteed means" myself ;)
All I know is that it’s not totally guaranteed which is good.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What makes me feel even better about the Gooden signing
Is that he had the 5th worst adjusted plus/minus in the league.
To put that in perspective, the only players worse than him were Sam Young, OJ Mayo(!), Ryan Hollins and 87 year old Juwan Howard. Oh, and he also has a fairly poor dMULT.
But I just have to focus on the positives…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
+/- is a terrible stat and I would never use it to judge a player
2 years ago Kevin Durant had one of the worst in the league, if not THE worst. Is Kevin Durant a terrible player?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics
I am a pseudo-sabermetrician in baseball stats, so I know which ones are good and which ones are mis-leading. Starts in basketball don;t always tell the whole story as “context” is a big thing in hoops. So I would trust more traditional stats when it comes to Gooden.
The Bucks got Gooden to score & rebound - and take some pressure off Bogut.
I just read a snippet that said it was Skiles that pushed for Gooden at the trade deadline last season – so obviously, Skiles feels that Gooden brings something that the team needs.
Basketball Prospectus guys
Are an off-shoot/imitators of the Baseball Prospectus gang. Not to say they are not good, but I am not sure how revealing some of their stats are. Like I said, baseball stats tell more of a story because it is basically an individual sport – at one point in time. Batter-Pitcher and eventually Fielder.
Some of their stats ....
are a direct copy of the same stats in baseball, adjusted for basketball. I have not studied them really closely, but it seems like an attempt to crate hoops version ….hmmm…not sure how that would work….ok, enough of that ..hehe
I wasn't being totally serious with what I was saying ;)
I use it to judge but I know those stats have some limitations. Case in point? Gadz apparently had the best defensive impact for the Bucks in the playoffs. XD
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
They go by the teams defensive efficiency when the player is on the floor
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
...or hands apparently stuck in blenders? ;) ...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Espn has reported
Salmons has verbally agreed to a 5yr/$39M deal which the final year is only partially guaranteed and it sounds like Ridnour is going to cost around $4-5M per year to resign so he might be gone.
Do the Bucks have the mid-level exception available
or was that what was used on Gooden?
If not, couldn’t it be used on Ridnour?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
MLE was used on Gooden
But we do hold the Bird Rights to Ridnour which is why we’re still looking to resign him. otherwise we are roughly $4M under the luxury tax and still have our bi-annual exception (about $2M) to spend on a back up PG and possibly KT to be our 3rd center.
Man, that'd be great...
He’s more valuable than he gets credit for, IMO.
Gooden had 22/14 against Bogut in a Nov game - Bogut finished with 13/6....
Just sayin… the dude can play.
Especially if he's playing PF and not C.
Last season his numbers increased drastically, after being moved to the Clippers, because he was playing alongside Kamen and not expected to guard the other teams center.
The Knicks are really interested in signing Ridnour, to be their starting PG, for around $4-5M/year.
Reminds me of Yi on Milwaukee
“You’ve got a river, you’ve got a lake”
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the Knicks think Ridnour will be the second-coming of Steve Nash
If they sign Amare and Ridnour…hehe
you laugh but i really think that is what they are going for...
D’Antoni see another white PG who can shoot long 2’s and thinks he’ll be perfect with Amare…
JH will probably let him walk.....
Maybe we trade for a PG? We certainly have enough players…
I agree
They are not going to overpay for a backup PG. Ridnour was important last season because Jennings was a rook.
We can only overpay so many role players
I think it’d be a blessing in disguise if we don’t sign him for three years/$15 million or something.
The thing this offseason really did was
increase the excitement level. They are going to sell a lot of tickets this year between their playoff run last year, returning a lot of the same players, and bringing in a couple of known commodities in the NBA in Maggette and Gooden.
I know that this is probably the most excited I’ve been going into a season since the days of the Big 3.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
that cant be a real website....
wheres the link?
You've fallen into the sarchasm.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha! Nice wordplay!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 2, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Im all on board the FA bonanza for middling talent........but lets be honest and I wont argue we havent increased our depth of talent etc etc
but Maggette & Gooden? If I was going to be marooned on a dessert Island and had to pick two FA’s to take with me the last two people I would choose…………….
i know what you are saying BJs but i think a lot of NBA success can be attributed to how good of a fit a player is...
there is no doubt we had need for a guy who can get to the bucket and a bigger PF… Maggette should be the 6th man and fit into a role that he is familiar with… plus he will get his shots so no worries about him bitching about that… Skiles will get him to player D…
overall they may not be the cream of the crop but they were solid risk/reward additions who have a definite role carved out for them on this team…
should be interesting to watch this play out however…
how about Dirk meeting with NY? not to be mean...
but its like your 48 year old aunty kitting herself up a bit tartily, putting on a short mini dress and too much make up and going out on the town because she wants to feel young again and feel apart of the action………..gotta love this FA frenzy
LOL
I knew I was looking for something to compare to the awkwardness of the whole Dirk situation.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 2, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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