Vegas Central: Sanders starts his education, James & Franklin in, Hobson likely out
Basketball is back...well, the Vegas version at least.
The Bucks kick off their summer league schedule Monday night at 7 pm central time, opening a stretch of five games in seven nights against the Mavericks. You can watch all the games live or on replay with NBA Broadband, and I'll be in Vegas next weekend to report live from the final two games. We'll also be posting game threads around tip-off for anyone who wants to chat while they watch (of course you do!).
The Mavs have dropped their first two games but have an intriguing roster, with impressive French second year PG Roddy Beaubois joined by 1st round combo guard Dominique Jones and porky-but-productive rookie big man Omar Samhan from St. Mary's.
Here are some of the storylines I'll be watching for this week...
Big men start their education. Vegas is generally a little man's league, so it probably doesn't bode well for the Bucks' hopes of winning that their only "name" players are Larry Sanders and Tiny Gallon. As we saw with Brandon Jennings a year ago, it's the guards who generally dictate play while the young big men tend struggle to adapt to often tight officiating (warning: young refs in training). Thankfully, the normal foul limits are loosened in Vegas, with 10 fouls allowed before you're forced to hit the showers. So even if Sanders and Gallon struggle with the physical nature of the (sort of ) NBA game, they do have a bit more margin for error. Unfortunately, the Bucks' lack of NBA talent at the PG position also won't help the big men on the offensive end.
While Gallon also intrigues me, Sanders is the guy most of us will be watching most closely. Tom Enlund writes that the Bucks are hoping his talents can be put to immediate use.
"He's got a great feel for rebounding around the basket," Boylan said. "He gets his hands on a lot of balls. He's very, very good with his timing and his agility. He moves gracefully for a man of his size. He covers a lot of ground, and that's going to be a great asset for him especially at the defensive end because he can cover up for a lot of mistakes. Having the combination of he and Andrew (Bogut) out there, two guys who can be big around the basket, is going to be significant for us this year.
"Offensively, he's raw. He still has to learn a good, solid low post move. I think he's really got some good tools, and I think eventually he'll be a much better shooter than he is right now."
Local boys James and Franklin added. This week would be a lot more fun if Brandon Jennings was in uniform to lead the offense, but there's a good reason for his absence: he's one of the few rookies who performed well enough last year that the Bucks decided it wasn't worth risking an injury. Unfortunately, 37th overall pick Darington Hobson also is expected to miss out due to a groin injury he picked up last week, denying us the chance to watch the versatile 6'6" guard run an NBA offense. While the Bucks will no doubt be adding a point guard to back up Jennings, Hobson might yet be tasked with the role of the emergency/third string PG. The last two years the Bucks have carried three point guards going into the regular season: Luke Ridnour, Ramon Sessions, and Tyronn Lue in 2008 and Ridnour, Jennings, and Roko Ukic in 2009.
With no other PGs on the real roster at the moment, the Bucks have been forced to go with an unproven group of free agents to man the point in Vegas, with former Marquette star Dominic James and UWM's Ricky Franklin serving as late additions to the Vegas roster. They're joined by athletic former UAB combo guard Paul Delaney, who was a bit player on the Bucks' summer squad last year. Ironically, Delaney was a last-minute replacement for James (ankle injury) in 2009. So everything's coming full circle.
Pressure on Jackson. Wide-bodied power forward Darnell Jackson is technically already on the Bucks' roster, but his non-guaranteed minimum salary means he's got plenty to prove in Vegas. Picked up off waivers from Cleveland at the end of last season, Jackson probably has an uphill battle to make the regular season roster given the Bucks already have about six guys who can play the four. John Hammond said as much on WSSP, stating that the Bucks would have 14 guys once they add a backup PG. Officially the Bucks already have 14 players on the roster, so it sounds like Jackson isn't being counted on to make the final cut.
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It's a shame the Hobson won't be playing...
…even though I think Sanders and Gallon are potentially going to have a much bigger and influential careers than Hobgoblin, I really wanted to see how he could handle the PG duties, as well as SG, considering the Bucks current guard situation.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
What are the chances that we could trade for Ty Lawson? We seem to have a lot of big men now and Lawson seems like a final piece to complete a super strong super fast second unit.
I know Indiana has tried to pry Lawson out of Denver this offseason with no luck.
It seems Denver is reluctant to part with Lawson, who is considered their point guard of the future. Similiar situation to Dallas and Roddy B.
by Brick's house on Jul 12, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
I think both guys are future starters and their price tag will reflect as much.
by Frank Madden on Jul 12, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Toronto did the impossible and traded Hedo Turkoglu while getting something in return.
Toronto got Barbosa from Phoenix for Turkoglu. Phoenix also did a sign and trade for J. Childress from Atlanta. I guess Phoenix is going to be replacing Amare’s production with a forward by committee system as well. They have Hedo, Warrick, Dudley, Childress, Earl Clark, Grant Hill and rookie Gani Lawal at the forward spots.
Looks like whoever is in charge in Phoenix just did TO a huge favor
by Frank Madden on Jul 12, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Strange thing is,
I saw another report that TO is going to use a trade exception they got in the Phoenix trade to pick up Boris Diaw. It seems they are trading one enigmatic, out of shape forward for another. Surprising to see them go after Diaw after drafting Ed Davis and throwing so much money at Amir Johnson.
by Brick's house on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Owner in Charge
Some of the moves made by Phoenix is why all Buck fans should be ecstatic John Hammonds, an actual GM, is in charge of personnel decisions
by We're Bucked on Jul 12, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that were all bad moves honestly
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 12, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
well not signing Amare is working on the basis of addition through subtraction.........
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
and Channing Frye
Childress will probably play SG tho.
You think Childress will start in front of Jason Richardson?
by Brick's house on Jul 12, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Richardson's contract expires at the end of the season
I’d expect him to be traded too considering he’s got a big contract, it’s expiring, and he can play now.
Phoenix is the one team that makes sense aquiring Hedo. And you have to realize that he waived some guarenteed money, and I believe the final year of his deal in order for the trade to take place. Hedo is one of those guys where the chemistry, the pace of play, and several other factors have to be just right for you to really maximize his value. But when all those things line up, he has some unique skills. I would not have traded for him if I was a GM, but Steve Nash will get him back on track.
I’m looking forward to watching Larry Sanders and Big Tiny in summerleague, but can we all please agree that a poor showing doesn’t mean they are busts, and that a good showing doesn’t guarentee that they are stars? I fear some over reacting will take place regardless.
by REO Sheedwagon on Jul 12, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
Yup.
They’re probably going to get called for fouls every few minutes anyway…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 12, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed; gotta look at some skill points
How he moves, jumps, reacts …There will be rust and confusion, no doubt.
REO's right..... let's keep the knee-jerk reactions to a minimum.....
Unless Sanders goes off for a triple-double or something, let’s keep Summer league in perspective….. but if he does go off for a TD, then we can get a lil excited ; )
I’m very bummed about no Hobson : (
haha porky-but-productive...........love that line
maybe we can hope for something likewise from Tiny Gallon: obese-but-offensively okay
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
also I hope one of the guys on the summer league can show something as a pg and stick....and solve this little problem we have
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
None of the PGs on the SL team will make the roster...
The checked shirt will either deal for BJs backup – or sign one the remaining FAs…. and Hobson will act as the 3rd PG
Big things come in small packages
or in this case, tiny packages. ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 12, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew having a guy called Tiny on the team would provide endless value........
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
oh the irony.......
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I think Tiny is going to be the type of player that will amaze and frustrate fans.
Based on what I have read and seen of Gallon, I am guessing he will provide “Oh, good God!!” moments in games with his combination of size and skill. I also think his work ethic and decision making will cause many head slapping moments as well.
The list of porky draftees turning into success stories is not very long. For every Glen Davis or Dejuan Blair, there are a half dozen guys like Tractor Traylor, Eddy Curry, Stanley Roberts, Luther Wright, Michael Sweetney and Oliver Miller who didn’t make it.
There were many games at LSU where Stanley Roberts outplayed Shaq. He was good, but he ate himself out of the L.
Only thing I'd argue
Is Oliver Miller. Guy played almost 500 games…was a pretty good player in Toronto 95/96…13ppg, 7.5rpg, 3apg, 1.5 spg, 2 bpg. Career 75. ppg, 6 rpg, guy wasn’t great but I’d say he had a fair career.
Good point, but I guess I was just referring to their ability to reach their potential
But I guess that is not just fat guys, lots of skinny guys don’t reach their potential either. (See Stromile Swift)
by Brick's house on Jul 12, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Tiny become the 3rd PF/C.... as he does have skills, especially for his size...
But I think his questionable work ethic & BB IQ will never allow him to become starter material.
Tiny probably prefers a good BBQ to good BB IQ
by Frank Madden on Jul 12, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We decided
Tiny was a buffet guy. Goes with Brandon and eats all the stuff Brandon leaves on his plate.
woooahh Stanley Roberts.......sad story dude could play
anyway Tiny is definitely worth the risk with 2nd rounder…wouldnt expect a polished performer
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Definitely worth the risk late in the 2nd round.... maybe Skiles can push the right buttons....
Unfortunately, I doubt it ; )
But if he can become a solid 10-15mpg backup…. he’s a steal!
Belly buttons...?
Is he an inny or an outy I wonder….?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 13, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
What's the point of even drafting him then?
I am scratching my head at this kind of pick, have been for a week. Why not pick someone with a bit less upside who doesn’t like the Value Meals at Mickey D’s so much ….the track record for his type is piss poor.
Blind Hope
I was ok with the pick, there was not much else available at that point in the draft anyways. Gallon has skills, if he wants to be a pro he has the god-given ability. The Bucks already added two players in this draft that I am sure they plan on sticking around, that is how teams justify a risk here. Anything below a pleasant surprise and Gallon will be in the DLeague or overseas. He has the talent to be in a 9man rotation, big bodys that can score are hard to find and are always given chance after chance.
by We're Bucked on Jul 12, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Most 2nd rounders don't even make the team that drafts them, so it's really no risk...
And if he pans out, even a lil bit, the Bucks did good : )
true ...
maybe I am scarred from the Tractor Traylor pick, although that was obviously a first-round debacle (worst ever I think). OK, I feel better ..hehe
worse than Joe or Yi?
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I agree.... but Tiny isn't a banger, if that's what you're referring to...
Even though he’s 300lbs, banging isn’t really part of his game from what I know.
I still like Kwame Brown for the minimum as the 3rd C
That makes me more leery of him.
300 pounds but doesn’t like to bang. Ah, my kingdom for the old days ;)

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