Bucks/Grizzlies: Bucks look to bounce back
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 5:51 PM CDT
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[Thanks to Brick for kicking us off -Frank]
Since I haven't seen a post yet dedicated to tonight's summer league game I thought I would throw one up.
A few things to note about the Memphis squad:
Memphis has several players in Las Vegas that have had some burn in the L. Leading the way is O.J. Mayo. He is in Las Vegas to test his mettle as a point guard. If his first summer league game is any indication, he has some work to do. Last night against the Hawks he had three assists to go with eight turnovers. He did lead Memphis in scoring with 20 points on 8-13 shooting.
Memphis roster also includes last year's #2 pick Hasheem Thabeet, who should provide a defensive challenge for Sanders and Gallon, Sam Young, DeMarre Carroll, Hamed Haddadi, the Iranian national, and Darrell Arthur.
One player absent from the team is Xavier Henry. According to ESPN's Chad Ford, they are having a contract dispute despite the rookie salary scale. Teams can pay anything from 80% to 120% of rookie scale amount. In 95% of cases, teams pay the 120% amount. Memphis, on the other hand, is trying to lowball Henry, so he is holding out of summer league play.
Game starts tonight at 7:00 PM Central. See you then.
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Too bad this can't be front paged somehow
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I guess if you recommend it, it will at least jump to the top of the fanposts.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Done.
Thanks for covering, Brick…just edited the title to match our usual format.
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Sanders had an injured wrist from that fall yesterday...Dunno if he'll play tonight.
http://www.nba.com/bucks/video/2010/07/13/pbsanderswrist100713-1372331/index.html
Please don’t end up being another injury prone big man…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
If both Sanders and Hobson are out tonight,
the Summer Bucks are going to be the Darnell Jackson/ Tiny Gallon show. This summer team was already just barely above the D League select team when it came to talent, especially at the guard and swing positions.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Hobson guaranteed to be out for the whole SL?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Looked like he was wearing warmups rather than regular streetclothes last night.
And he’s on the Vegas roster as far as I can tell. Doubt they’ll risk a serious injury but it’s not like training camp is close either…
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Thabeet goes on
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Delaney is sad....
God Delaney is awful running the PG spot…. he can barely get the ball up the court
Would like to see him score inside more though
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Inside scoring might be tough to come by tonight.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Oof yeah probably right
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Grizz def have one of the most talented teams on paper
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They have a ton of NBA players compared to us... Is Jackson our only one?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Nelson got some NBA playing time on the Warriors a couple years ago.
I think he played small forward for Nelson.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Never mind we got a few more than that I think...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Theres a reason why you get 10 fouls
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Memphis wants to kill us right from the start
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Nice little play by Larry/Tiny...
I hate our guards, btw.
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It would have been nice to see Jennings get a game or two in Vegas.
Having a point guard who can direct an offense would have given the Bucks a better idea of what they have with the bigs.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, he was in a commercial
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington Monument
My own terrible terrible nickname
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Larry Sanders is still long
That was comical how badly he blocked Arthur.
Also, when did Deron Washington learn to shoot like this?
Concentration, Tiny, Concentration
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I know that they are feeling out their offense, but...
Sanders and Gallon have to quit chucking threes.
I really expected us to get destroyed right from the get go.
Memphis is loaded compared to us…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
How many threes will we take?
And tiny was about to shoot a terrible jumper
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Lazy rotation by Tiny...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
No kidding
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Heisley just compare Gay to Jordan and Kobe?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Okay
He’s made a couple jumpers, but he hasn’t been able to go inside because of Thabeet. He’s also been forcing a few threes, however.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Heisley is talking about the importance of having a shot blocking specialist.
The days of Mark Eaton and Manute Bol are long over. A shot blocking specialist is no good in today’s NBA if you are playing 4 on 5 on offense.
The Bucks seem to do much better with Sanders on the floor. He has size to match Thabeet and Adrien
Gallon doesn’t seem to use his size on defense yet.
This game is frusturating to watch from the Bucks standpoint
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
...And so are the officials
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah that was a charge ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Where's Hobson when you need him?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that I know of.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell, I think Travis Diener would make things look better than they do now.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Maggette would help
I’d like to see him bulldoze over everyone on his way to the rim.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone think JH trades for a backup PG? The scrap heap is thin and dwindling
Earl Watson would look like Magic Johnson in this game
Do we have enough money to just sign Watson flat out...?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it is because there are actual NBA players on their Vegas squad.
What more is there to say about Delaney, Washington, Franklin, Nelson, etc?
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This league is run like a fraternity. I respect Stern but there has to be more input from fans. Terrible owners are at the center of many of the League’s problems.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 13, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see Watson getting much more than the BAE
Same w/ A Carter, Diener, and C Atkins….
But Arroyo, Livingston, J Williams, A Johnson will get more than the BAE, IMO.
I can see Watson will get more than $2 million per.
If Duhon can get that, so can Watson.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't see
Livingston getting more than the BAE, Anthony Johnson either
Why did they let Donaghy Ref this game?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Nice step back.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Sessions contract seems a bit rich... but not compared to what guys are getting this Summer
Sessions is a starting-caliber guy & is better than anyone we could get w/ the BAE, IMO.
I will go back to my standard answer about Sessions.
If he wasn’t in Hammond and Skiles plan last year, I don’t think he will be this year either.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, he is working the game.
You’d think he would throw a few calls to a former team of his.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We're shooting free throws like the Bucks
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Delaney makes me cry inside
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Be happy he wasn't a draft pick and has no future on this team.
It could be worse.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Gallon is Pick crazy! I think in a few years on this team he could be awesome. He reminds me a lot of Al Jefferson.
Just got back...Anything of note happen?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I think Sanders is going to garner some attention for this performance.
I expect to see him pop into NBA.com’s top 10 rookie performances for this game. It doesn’t help that Sacramento and D. Cousins is playing right now too. All the media want to see how Cousins responds in Vegas.
I don't expect to see him top 10 yet
but i’m damn excited to see him playing like this, he looks like the best player on the court easily
Sanders for Three!
I guess he will be able to space the floor with Maggette and Bogut working inside.
Sanders with a tre ?
He kinda looks like T-mac ..looks wise
by tommyr on Jul 13, 2010 9:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If Sanders game translates to the NBA,
If he can shoot the three and be disruptive on defense, he does kind of make Ersan obsolete, doesn’t he?
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, losing two in a row on a buzzer beater
As bad as the Bucks looked, I am pretty happy it is this close. The Bucks guards are just so dreadful.
If the Bucks PGs were even mediocre they win both games
Tiny did some nice things
Being able to put Sanders at the 3 would be absolutely crazy
If he can hit that 3, this is going to be an unbelievable team
Someone needs to put together a highlight video of Sanders performance tonight.
Some good stuff out there on the floor.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's too big to play the 3
How many 6’11" guys play SF? Lot more to it than hitting open jumpers…especially ball-handling skills.
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
KG is a MAJOR exception to the rule....
Sanders can’t play the 3, but he looks to have ALL the tools to play the 4 OR 5.
A small forward by weight (lack thereof), not skill
by Brick's house on Jul 14, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I always remember him from playing around on NBA video games trying to make a squad of the tallest guys at each position
Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.
I used to love the old NBA jam game that was awesome...
and the combination of players on teams that didnt have quite the star power was always kinda funny
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Jeffries is one
But overall it rarely works…same as with tall PGs. Really tough to guard guys who are four or five inches shorter than you. And if you don’t have the ball-handling skills of the position it’s doubly tough.
Same as when people thought CV or Yi should play SF. CV could probably sacrifice less with it since he’s a terrible defender at every position and has a good handle, but Yi had zero perimeter skills (handle, passing) aside from a decent spot-up jumper. And taking away the outside shot is the one thing small guys CAN do.
by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
22points - 9reb - 2blx - 2 assists......... Nice!!
Serously…. they gotta be considering trading Ersan – and they could get a nice return for him!
2 summer league games guys... i dont know if they are going to over react to 2 summer league games and trade Ersan already...
by Superelkman on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you do it because of one game
But it sounds like they were already considering trading Ersan even before the draft…just not sure what they’d be looking for (a backup PG? a bigger package?).
by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
if they do trade him i hope it is for some future 1sts or other assets we can use at a later date because we have quite a few guys in the rotation as it is...
by Superelkman on Jul 14, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Good backup PG+1st would probably work.
by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If Sanders continues to show this game, Ersan is the one to go.
There are enough differences between Gooden’s game and Sanders for them to complement each other.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
They could play together too
Not all the time, but they are fairly complementary as long as a quality center isn’t on the floor.
by Frank Madden on Jul 13, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Sanders will get his mpg....
It’ll be a great thing for him to be brought along slowly….. but if he keeps playing this, the Bucks are gonna have to figure out how to get min to him, Gooden, and Ersan
I think Ersan is the odd man out
Can we all agree about Sanders
That there is a lot there to work with. Getting a glimpse of some nice core skills.
by tommyr on Jul 13, 2010 9:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Trade Ersan & a 2nd rounder for Sessions and Minnys 1st rounder next year
I’m sure it’ll be a top 5 pick : )
Not happening.
Minny doesn’t like 4’s or 5’s
unless they are european or white...
and ersan is both…
by Superelkman on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I admit that I didn't see the game tonight...
But I hope that they don’t jettison Ersan.
He’s such a joy to watch.
When everyone complains about the way the NBA game is played, you can always say “Have you seen Ersan Ilyasova?”
Don't get me wrong, I love Ersan too.
But, if Sanders can be active on defense, provide weak side shot blocking and knock down the three point shot with room to grow, Ersan becomes a little more expendable than I ever thought he would be.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree... but just because LS hit a few 3s tonite, I wouldn't call him a 3-point threat - atleast net yet
But he did look good doin it tonite!! : )
i agree...
he is my favorite Buck and i’d hate to see him traded…
by Superelkman on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How will they manage to get proper playing time for Gooden, Ersan, AND Sanders???
Not to mention Luc….
Maybe they’re viewing Sanders as a C? At his point, he looks to be a more talented version of Gadz, so why not play him at C
That's what I've been wondering
If he can come in and give Gadz-like energy (while keeping his shoes tied) for 10-15 minutes while Bogues takes a breather, I think that would be ideal.
by ZV on Jul 13, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If they keep all their bigs, I'd think Sanders would have to be Boguts primary backup....
Allowing Ersan to be the 2nd PF – and Luc to be used as needed.
Sounds good to me!!
I'd like to see Sanders at the 4 tho
He’s 225, he’ll probably never be big enough to play C with the real pros.
Sanders looks like he will be able to add weight to his frame.
He has broad shoulders and a good base, he is not skinny like Daye.
by Brick's house on Jul 14, 2010 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think each will get their minutes
It may not be clear how now or even at the beginning of the season, but someone will get hurt or go through a cold spell or some other down stretch, opening time for the others. Injuries and ineffectiveness often find a way to clear logjams.
Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.
Yep
Nothing better than spending the offseason worrying about having too many guys…this stuff generally sorts itself out.
by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Ersan to OKC for E Maynor - straight up
They need a big who can score…. and Maynor looks like he’d start for a lot of teams. He’s a talented young guy.
OKC has a pretty crowded PF rotation with Ibaka, Jeff Green, DJ White and Collison.
If they trade Maynor, they would be in the same boat as the Bucks, as far as the back up point is concerned.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Bot none of OKCs bigs are really scorers, are they??
Maybe Green, but not the others
I wouldn't call Ersan a scorer either, more of a shooter.
According to 82games.com, 75% of his shots last year were jump shots, and 85% of those were assisted. He doesn’t create a lot of offense on his own.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Reunting VCU teamates...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
...And Oak Hill teamates
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Please stop mentioning
Gadz and Sanders in the same sentence. You’re ruining the evening ..hehe
by tommyr on Jul 13, 2010 9:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed, Sanders showed more NBA skills tonight than Gadz did his whole time here.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Gadz is probably the poster child for athletic players with no basketball ability.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If they view Sanders as a C, that really puts the rotation into focus.... atleast w/ the bigs
Gooden/Ersan
Bogut/Sanders
They can use Luc as a 3rd PF/D specialist…. and Tiny will sit on the bench. A lot.
So I take it Sanders did well?
I couldn’t watch beyond mid way through the 3rd.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Like I said before, he has a moxy about him out there.
He threw up that weird, off balance three to tie the game at the end, it wasn’t pretty, but it just swished right in. He just seemed to be in the right place most of the time on defense. Really active, even blocked a Thabeet jump shot, which the refs called a foul, even though it was clean.
He has a smooth jumper with range out to the three point line. He passed the ball well, even had a drive and dish play.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see him in the regular season, that's for sure.
I’m a little pessimistic about it translating well to regular season, but that’s just me.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He also hit a nice hook when he was called for traveling.... which was crap, cuz he was pushed
Even the announcers said the same thing
Didn't the same thing happen to Tiny?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Very well!! - 22/9 with 2blx & 2 assists..... also altered a few shots, as well
Same energy & hustle as last nite – but looked WAY more comfortable tonite.
Was easlily the best player on the floor most of the nite, IMO.
Keep in mind it's only Summer League - but you can say this much about Sanders...
Runs the floor extremely well – he’s cooridinated – has good form on his J – recognizes & passes out of double teams – good timing on his shot blocking – and a better overall feel/BB I.Q. than he got credit for coming out of college, IMO.
He just seems to be around every play – and usually in the right spot at the right time
AND..... Sanders is essentially playing w/o a PG
He’d REALLY shine if the PGs weren’t AWFUL!
Sanders would fit in really good with Nash in Phoenix
…Just sayin’ :)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my... yes he would!
Let’s hope BJ focuses more on being a passer than scorer this year – he has the tools to be an elite passer, IMO.
Although it's a bit depressing to lose both games in this fashion
A lot like the Bucks early in the season last year…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I hear ya... but these games are just glorified scrimmages
It’s all about seeing the rooks.
And I sure wish Hobson was playing : (
I take my glorified scrimmages very seriously ;)
And yes, I too wish Hobson was playing.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 13, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope not
No offense to anyone here, but GMs have so much more info available to them than the average fan.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.... but I feel some of the posters on these threads are sharper than Kahn or L Harris
Which ain’t sayin much!! : )
Ie: Jenning's JOCKcup holder!
Bucks need to go the economical route because all of these players you guys speak of to back up the point…are just that… Backup’s…I wanna go international…I am sure there’s a Steve Nash type somewhere in FIFA…who is a diamond in the rough, Low on someone radar who we bring here to make an american pro…and he’s happy…he may play in FIFA…but he’s better than some hoop dreamer in the NBADL and all these schwag PG’s were hollering about?
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