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Grizzlies 67, Bucks 64: The Larry Sanders Show

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The funny thing about guys who run fast and jump high? It's surprisingly hard for them to just slow down. Bucks fans saw Joe Alexander struggle for a year with the concept before he washed out entirely, while Dan Gadzuric spent about seven years going 100 miles per hour--and only occasionally in the right direction. So while there were a number of positives to be drawn from Larry Sanders' uneven debut on Monday--energy on defense is generally a good thing--there was something eerily familiar about his hyperactive, inefficient offensive performance.

But the good news is that game two suggested he could be a quick learner. Sanders punctuated a 22-point, nine-rebound, two-block effort by uncharacteristically drilling two threes in the waning minutes, the second tying the game at 64 with less than a second left. Yes, the Bucks then conceded a last-second game winner for the second night in a row, but it's not like anyone should be losing sleep over Sam Young's buzzer-beater. The main thing is keeping tabs on the progress of Sanders and Tiny Gallon, and both guys looked decidedly better than in their debut against the Mavs.

On paper the Bucks looked to be severely overmatched against a Grizz team that featured five five NBA players in the starting lineup, and the Bucks' weak backcourt was again wholly ineffective on the offensive end. Milwaukee guards were just 3/18 from the field, and both teams' hideous assist/turnover ratios (11/26 for the Bucks, 7/17 for the Grizz) underscored the general poor guard play from both teams. Yes, it's still summer league.

Star-divide

Larry Sanders - 33 min, 9/14 fg, 2/3 threes, 2/4 ft, 22 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blk, 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 to, 6 pf
Despite facing off against two former top three picks, Sanders left little doubt who was the best player on the court. Defensively he was again disruptive--far more than the two blocks in the box score would suggest. Both Darrell Arthur and Thabeet seemed to be caught off-guard by Sanders' length, as both saw innocent -looking jumpers hurled back in their face (though the block on Thabeet was inexplicably called a foul). Thabeet got a little bit of revenge when he blocked Sanders at the rim in the first half, though they generally didn't guard each other with Sanders playing mostly at PF.

The biggest difference for Sanders was his patience on offense, as he didn't seem to be racing the clock to get up as many shots as possible. He still rushed a couple jumpers, but even those were in rhythm and he thankfully wasn't afraid to hand the ball back off to a guard when he didn't have a look himself. He again looked very comfortable catching and shooting from 15-18 feet, and by the end of the game he was really feeling good when he buried those two threes. He also splashed in a turnaround from the post for the second straight game, and all told it's hard to deny that Sanders has more touch than he was given credit for before the draft. I don't see him pumping in too many triples come the regular season, but his compact, well-balanced stroke looks like it should be a weapon from mid-range.

Sanders also finished inside on a handful of occasions, throwing down a nice one-handed dunk and a couple short glassers off of broken plays. It looks like he has room to improve his finishing strength, but his opportunities have also been somewhat limited given the guards he's playing with in Vegas. Lastly, Sanders had a couple nice passes to find Gallon open for layups, and he also had a very nice bounce pass out of the post to a cutting guard. I wrote last night that he's definitely not just an athlete, and tonight we saw it even more.

Deron Washington - 33 min, 5/11 fg, 5/7 threes, 6 rebs, 1 ast, 1 st, 3 to, 8 pf
The Bucks got another solid game from from Virginia Tech jumping jack Deron Washington, who has apparently reinvented himself as a spot-up three point shooter (16 pt, 5/7 threes, 0/4 twos). He doesn't have much of any in-between game and his athleticism doesn't often translate in the halfcourt, so it's huge for him to be consistently making threes.

Tiny Gallon - 22 min, 4/6 fg, 0/1 threes, 8 pts, 11 rebs, 6 to, 3 pf
As we hoped, Gallon saw more minutes but again looked uneven on the offensive end. But he also rebounded and held the block well against Thabeet showing that there's some upside to being, um, big-boned. Though he's way behind Sanders in terms of run-and-jump athleticism, Gallon's big body is a major asset when battling for rebounding position--while Sanders tends to get pushed around a bit underneath, Gallon always seems to be the one getting the other guy to move where he wants them to.  And in a world where rebounds are mostly collected below the rim, that's an important thing.

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Great Effort Tonight

For the first half all the announcers could do was pump up Memphis’ struggling backcourt (note to Heisley, the kid is not a point guard). By the end, it was all about Sanders. Webber loved the big fella. His presence was felt by each team at all times.

by MadTown Hoops on Jul 13, 2010 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice to see Sanders pass the eyeball test again...

looks to be very coordinated, able to hit/develop a mid-range game, and use his athleticism to be disruptive defensively and on the boards…

by Superelkman on Jul 13, 2010 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

the kid will be okay......

nice to see some productive evidence that Sanders WILL be able to contribute some way and earn minutes especially as a rebounder and help shot blocker……anything on the offensive side will be a bonus early I imagine

anyway not getting carried away but with Gooden, Luc and Ersan for the time being he can fight to earn his minutes which isnt a bad thing

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 3:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Sanders showing appetite...

…for the game. And more assertiveness than I had expected (from a mild-mannered Clark Kent). I’m starting (just starting you understand) to hope that this may be another Jennings-level pick, or close to.

I was glad to have had to record the game and watch a couple hours later. Could skip through much of the 10-15 minute Heisley “commercial.” Heisley made me better appreciate an owner in Kohl who doesn’t talk down to us. Chris Weber made it worse though by serving up batting practice questions.

At times our “guards” made the game almost unwatchable.

Still think we’re likely to trade for another PG. Think it’s important that we do – not just sign a body.

by unklchuk on Jul 14, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I know what you mean

But it’s amusing to think of any Senator not talking down to people.

Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.

by TheJay on Jul 14, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too early to make grandiose conclusions

Whether he’s a 3, 4, or 5. I am just enjoying his skills and output. He looks eager (again STOP the Alexander.Gadz comparisons — I am starting to break out in hives over that ..hehe )….Anyway, let’s enjoy his indoctrination and progress. I am confident that his skills will be realized more when he’s playing with “real” NBA players ..aka the regular Milwaukee Bucks roster. Like someone on here said a couple days ago, imagine him racing down the court with Jennings pushing the rock …..

by tommyr on Jul 14, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah I think thats one thing that excited the Bucks management.....Jennings and Bogut paired so well.....

Imagine the possibility of adding Sanders athleticism to that mix…its pretty alluring

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alluring it is...

Over 40 years of following the Bucks, I thought I’d learned to enjoy whatever success happened in the moment because it wasn’t going to last. But I’m starting to trust that this management knows what it’s doing and that the time is “propitious.”

by unklchuk on Jul 14, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Ditto

I have been following them for just as long (I was 9 when we won our first and only championship). I too trust this regime to take us to the next level. And while all these teams are fighting to build “dream team lite,” , the Bucks are quietlt building a young, cohesive basketball unit.

by tommyr on Jul 14, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

more pressingly how long before the actor Larry Sanders sues for copyright infringement for continuous use of The Larry Sanders Show

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes your probably right :)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

so whats the thinking so far can Tiny & Sanders cover any time at C during the regular season?

thatd would mean we split time with Gooden, Sander & Tiny? is that at all viable or are we still looking for a back up center?

havent heard Hammonds really talk about looking for anyone right?

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that between Gooden, Sanders, and maybe Gallon the backup situation is good at C.

The situation might change if Bogut isn’t ready to go at camp due to his elbow.

by Brick's house on Jul 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't ignore Tiny

Just the summer league BUT Tiny is once again rebounding at an insanely high clip just like he did last year at Ok. What did he have last night 11 rebounds in 17 minutes or something like that. He has to beat out Darnell jackson for a roster spot, doesn’t he????

by puremisery on Jul 14, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

woahh kinda forgot about Bogut and his rehab......any news on how that is coming?

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah what is the word on Bogues?
Nobody has said anything? Didn’t see him at Summer Fest?
I wonder if he still lives in St. Francis anymore?
He used to live in those Condos on Lake Drive with Charlie Bell.
I remember seeing Bogut a few times during the summer of 2007.
He owns a Pontiac GTO, It was funny to watch him drive it because his knees would hang out the windows!

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should be playing in a month last I heard

Had full movement of the elbow, waiting for the finger to heal.

He’s in australia

by FearTheDeer on Jul 14, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay cool....yeah kinda just assumed everything would be ok.....thanks for the update

gee what a freak injury…… still healing damn…

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: The NBA's Theissman

My only worries as it pertains to Bogut, that he starts trying to shoot all the time!
-Stops trying to do that left handed sky-hook.
-Stops dunking the basketball.
-Becomes passive instead of aggressive both on D and the O because of the injury!

He made a quantum leap this past season, the kind of improvement that a OVERALL #1 should be making. I hope he comes back hungry, determined, and ready to make everyone believe that he is a top 10 Center. I am sick of Joakim Noah getting Bogut’s praise! Do you guys think Noah is BETTER than Bogues?

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not by a long shot

And Bogut’s not one to stop shooting altogether. He won’t let an injury stop him, I don’t think.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 14, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey? He’s been a walking wound since we drafted him?
This is a valid point!

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

From his twitter

AndrewMBogut

Light day today. Just got done with Physio. Elbow is almost there but still a fair bit away from distance shooting.

http://twitter.com/AndrewMBogut/status/18001489829

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 14, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm not exactly great but not the worst news.......hmm how long before the season starts?

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Late October early November…

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given what distance shooting means for him

That means what, he can’t do anything but tip ins?

Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.

by TheJay on Jul 14, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, Or it could mean he's practicing longer range shooting. Or planning to.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 15, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I found that comment curious as well

He could use a better mid-range shot, wouldn’t you agree?

by tommyr on Jul 15, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he's able to hit that consistently...

He will be very hard to defend, to say the least….

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

It’s the final piece to his game.

by tommyr on Jul 15, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guard Play is killing this summer league team!

Well..unless we are forced to go the cheap route, it is safe to say that we do not have a back up point in SL and the BAE is gonna be spent on a vet! But who’s left? Darren Collison is prolly the BEST…I mean look who’s play really affects this team when he hits the floor… Look who costed the Bucks again…your boy DJ…He should never come out onto the floor at the end of the 4th quarter, he’s a boy amongst men!
Sanders, Washington, again looked impressive but I still feel that Sanders should sit a year! Man I wish we could have seen what we may have in Hobson…but it looks like he will be in Ft. Wayne!

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, thanks for the great highlight recap NBA

There was only one Buck highlight in that entire clip, Larry Sanders last second 3, instead they feature Hasheem Thabeet, anyone who watched that game couldn’t be impressed with him. Would have been nice to maybe feature the leading scorer in the game(LS) and show his dunk or blocks, Why does it seem like the Bucks never get any love unless they bust down the dang door!!!

by puremisery on Jul 14, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Summer Job, Part time PG needed....

I won’t slam management too bad, as we all know its obvious that the Bucks have undergone a huge upgrade in terms of their braintrust over some previous versions. With that, they could have found some better options to bring to Vegas to try and run this team. I’ve watched quite a bit of the summer league action and there is no team with worse guard play than this Bucks team. There is nobody that seems to have any pure passing/playmaking skills whatsoever and further it doesn’t appear that any of them can even shoot the ball. The only skill on display was to pound the ball for 15 seconds then wildly dribble into the lane 500mph and throw themselves at the rim. Some of the Bucks big men were constantly open on cuts/rolls to the hoop for a fairly easy pass or even a lob. Last night was some of the worst passing I have witnessed from a pro/semi pro/college you name it other than maybe my niece’s 6th grade girls game. Come on Hammy, we could be killing teams out there with a steady, even quality PG!!!!!!!!!

by puremisery on Jul 14, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to agree I think we could have found some more viable options for potential PG's in the summer league...

especially considering that is a major issue for us at the moment

having said that Hammonds surely has some irons in the fire in terms of whom he wants to acquire and unfortunately Hobson’s injury means we cant judge the validity of him being able to play some pg as Hammonds has alluded to

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

James, Nelson, Smith, and Delaney are truely bottom of the barrel..
Antoine Agudio from the D-League must be horrible too because we haven’t seen him yet?
I am claiming we go for a cheap but QUALITY international player to fill the PG root?
Who in FIFA is most NBA ready? We gotta keep the Dallas continuity of international players going…

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Does Farmar signing mean Devin Harris is leaving?

A client asked me that this afternoon. Wondered if Redd’s contract might bring back Harris (and parts).

Harris isn’t a simple backup PG. But if he, Jennings and Salmons could be productive together, that would be major artillery.

by unklchuk on Jul 14, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

the fact that Billy King is the new gm means anything is possible in New Jersey now..........

Billy King….somebody slap me

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, the Bucks were considering him before they decided on Hammond

…Thank god..

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 14, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

from trying to hire Presti to ending up with Billy King as your gm......thats a steep drop

then again I suppose going from the russian and Jay Z courting LBJ to signing Outlaw and Petro as your FA class is a steep drop as well ;)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Avert Johnson coached Devin Harris in Dallas right? I think Harris is the starting pg for them

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 14, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Farmar is a legitimate starting PG....BUt that's just me

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, Farmar is a good back up..Devin is there team!

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

They could be having tryout’s though too?
But NJN traded a lot to bring Harris to Jersey!
I don’t see Farmar starting.

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Milwaukee talking to Memphis?

Considering everyone one of the Bucks personel was at UNLV lastnight for the game even Hammond and Skiles. People are talking about Jerryd Bayless and Mike Conley to Milwaukee?
Would any of you want them?
Who do we have that Memphis would take off of us in return?

by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

hmm

Mike Conley would be a great backup to jennings, he’s actually starter material on most teams. but i doubt that the grizzlies are wiling to give up a good PG like Conley, who would replace him for grizzlies?

I would love to see Ramon Sessions come back to milwaukee as Jennings’ backup. The Timberwolves are again PG hungry and reportedly signed Luke Ridnour to a 4-year deal. That gives them Flynn, Ridnour, Rubio (in a year or so) and Sessions as PGs, all who are at least a second string PG in abilities. If we could give up the expiring Redd contract for Sessions 2-year contract, I think that would solidify our team at every position and have a very good chance of getting home-court advantage in 1st round of playoffs.

by Thomas Wan on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hammonds must be trying to pull one more rabbit.....

I think they really are on board with Hobson manning some backup PG, he sounded pretty confident in an interview from insidehoops. I don’t want to really see any of our core guys be traded for a PG. I know we now have a glut of 6’6 to 6’8 guys but Ilysova and Mboute bring so much toughness/energy. If they are talking trades it has to be one of those guys that teams want. Tough call to move either guy, both guys are outperforming their minor contracts, likely anyone in return will be more expensive.
Has anyone seen any young PG’s in the summer league that we might be able to scoop up off the scrap pile or trade for on the cheap?

by puremisery on Jul 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

If Hammond wanted a Watson...

…he’d probably have him by now. I think he’s working on / hoping for a trade.

I’m guessing they’d like to do one more pretty major move. Something to make the good citizens of Milwaukee and environs say, “Woah!” Might not happen. Might have to wait for the trade deadline. But I suspect Hammond and Kohl are willing, if it’s the right deal.

by unklchuk on Jul 14, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

Guys like Watson could still be fishing for something more than the BAE. The Bucks are probably something of a backup plan for guys like that…

by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything's topsy turvy about this off season

WEe never know what certain guys will go for…

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably waiting for some other teams' rosters to flush out

Before he pulls the trigger on someone. The “overpaying” period is still in process.

by tommyr on Jul 15, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Glad I'm no GM

You have to know when to move quickly, what NOT to move on, and when to wait… It’s the waiting that takes the most friggin’ discipline.

by unklchuk on Jul 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

You said it ...

I’m not sure if they could pay me enough.

by tommyr on Jul 15, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes its the moves you dont make that make you look genius.....

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

a la Sessions and Villanueva

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 16, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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