The Way Too Premature Trade Ilyasova Thread.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 10:31 PM CDT
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Let me be clear, I am a fan of Ersan Ilyasova, he was a tough rebounder and scrappy defender who also could step out and shoot the three. He is basically the opposite of Charlie V., in terms of toughness and tenacity. I just thought I would set up a post to discuss the topic.
The question, early as it may be, is whether the Bucks will have enough playing time available to keep two stretch fours on the roster. If not, is Ilyasova the player that should be used to aquire a backup point guard?
It is only the second game of Las Vegas Summer league, but Larry Sanders is already showing potential as a stretch four in the NBA. Not only did he make 2 of 3 threes tonight, but he looked comfortable shooting on the baseline and at the high post as well. On defense, he shows great instincts as a shot blocker and is active on the boards.
Last year, Ersan Ilyasova played the role of stretch four off the bench. 75% of his shots were jump shots, shooting 34% from three and 42% overall. He also pulled down 6.4 rebounds in 22 minutes per game.
Ilyasova would be attractive to other teams for his productivity at a reasonable price. He will make only $4.8 million over the next two years. The Prince has also been mentioned by some as a candidate to be traded, but I think his defensive skills stand out enough to keep a spot in next year's rotation.
If Sanders continues to play well through the end of Vegas and in the preseason, is Ilyasova the best asset for the Bucks to trade for a backup point guard?
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I'd think they could get a nice return for Ersan - but they'd have to do it before camp, IMO
Teams are gonna want all two years of his remaining deal – being that it’s so cheap…. 2.5per
He’s young, active, great size, good rebounder, good shooter…. and CHEAP….so I’d think he’d be a desirable player for a lot of teams… many feel he could be a 12ish/8ish player, if he were given the mpg…. basically the same as Gooden.
I’d listen to all offers…. but if he stays, you’d also have a great PF duo w/ Gooden & Ersan – especially since Sanders looks like he can play C just fine. Maybe it makes more sense just to keep him for the remaining two yrs?
It’ll be interesting to see what happens…. remember, if Gallon makes the team, the Bucks will have SIX bigs, and ONE pg. [not counting Hobson] – so somethins gotta give???
Ersan & next yrs 1st round pick for D Collison??? I'd do it in a sec..
Giving the Bucks the deepest team in the NBA – their second team would be better than some teams starters… and you’d have a starter-caliber backup PG on the cheap for 3 yrs!
AND….It works on the realgm.com trade checker : )
Collison – CDR – Maggette – Luc – Sanders….. that’s a SERIOUS 2nd team.
I'd be trigger happy on that trade, but...
…I doubt NOR would give up Collison…he’s their insurance for when CP3 hightails it for a better franchise in 2012…
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that would be our saviour to make this trade happen...
…that they are SO inept, they DO trade Collison to us for Ersanator/1st rounder. Aaah! How good is it to bask in the reflected glow of JH being in charge, knowing that we came from a place worse than Minny and the Hornets could ever dream of in their worst nightmares (I speak of one L. Harris in case you got confused…!)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 14, 2010 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I would do this deal too…I would do it right now but a little different! I would do …(Bucks BAE money) + (Jackson’s NG’d contract) + Moute + (2011 First Rounder more than likely to be 14-17 range!) I would try to hold off on Ersan as long as I could…
I wouldn’t waste my breather going after Jerryd Bayless or Mike Conley!
Collison is going to prove that he is money!
I would make a pitch NOWWWWWW!
by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Darren Collison will be unavailable
They’d rather trade CP3 considering that he’s talking about moving at the end of his contract anyways and said he’s willing to be traded.
I totally agree cant see NO trading Collison because they are skint and he is cheap and productive
whilst Paul seems to be suggesting he is wanting out and they can get great value for him
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I don’t believe that, That is only mere speculation. If NOH were really worried about losing Paul…they would have offered him to teams with cap space this year. NJN, NYK, ect. This is all posturing.
by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
one they wouldnt do that...
two… we wouldnt have the minutes for collison here anyways…
three… you can’t trade your BAE
four… your a weinie
Sanders isnt and never will be a stretch four... and if he becomes one we are in big trouble...
he is much more valuable on offense using that huge wingspan to get offensive boards… i’f much rather see him develop a consistent 15 footer
Just watching his smooth stroke tonight,
I think saying he will never be a stretch four is well… a stretch.
by Brick's house on Jul 13, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
no...
a stretch is saying a guy who has never done something before will all of sudden start doing it because he showed flashes in one summer league game…
there were games where shaq made over 80% of his free throws… doesn’t mean he was ever going to be a threat from the FT line
I agree
id much rather let him develop his inside game and that 15ft jumper………..if he can extend that range with time fine…..but far better to get schooled on the block and boards and have the ability to step out and nail that occasional jumper
much rather see him dominate the boards and help out as a weakside shot blocking type of guy
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
He's not really a 3 point threat - though he looked good tonite
He’s a low post rebounder & shot blocker….. it would probably serve him well NOT to shoot 3s – I’d much rather see him score in the paint than shoot from downtown
watching the highlights that 3pt heave was more like a football pass than a basketball shot...
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I concur.
I wouldn’t count on those kind of shots dropping with regularity.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 14, 2010 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions
also on Ersan i think we are in a good position stockpiling lotsa big guys....
teams are always looking for quality big guys that can produce and we have a plethora now and they are all on pretty good contracts which makes them even more attractive….
there is plenty of flexibility for Hammonds to make something happen…..not to mention using Redd’s contract as the trade deadline appears…
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I'm becoming more convinced as time goes on...
…that we will probably need to trade Redd so that we can at least get a decent piece in return…I have a feeling that unless we get to at least the Conference Finals (and thus really improve our contending status), any good FA will bypass Mil if we allow his contract to expire.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 14, 2010 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If we trade Ersan based on 2 summer league games by Sanders
I won’t be very happy. If I recall, there was a player in SL who scored 40 points in a game but hasn’t done anything since. Just saying. Summer league success doesn’t always translate to regular season.
If we end up trading Luc Richard or Ersan, I blame Gooden and his big deal. I’m caught between which one I would prefer to trade. I would prefer neither but…
Does anyone here think that Sanders can play some minutes at backup C?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
that was Bellini right with the GSW who dropped 40?
not advocating a trade based on Sanders two games at all…..but we do have a glaring piece missing at back up pg and we do have a stockpile of big guys only one of whom is going to start so someone is going to be the odd man out in the rotation to start……..
but also injuries, poor form happens so its not a given a trade is made but if one is you gotta figure it will involve one of our big guys? tho I suppose we have a few wing players now too
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I concede that I got a little excited last night.
I came down with a bout of optimism, kind of rare for me. Watching Sanders perform that well just got me pumped. He looks like he has the potential to be a unique player. I couldn’t even think of anyone to compare him to. He is so long and athletic, yet he had a soft touch on his jumper, with range.
by Brick's house on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Delfino = Best Trade Chip
1) He’s 28 (ceiling reached)
2) Salmons and Jennings can shoot 3’s to play the inside out game
3) Maggette and CDR are fully capable replacements offensively
4) His contract is valuable to teams
5) Leaves minutes for LRMAM on the wing
6) Trading Ersan or LRMAM would be far pre-mature for their potential, but they need minutes on the court to improve.
Love Delfino, but he’s the weakest link in the Bucks starting roster now and he’s one of the only players who’s not in the long term equation at 28 and expiring.
Although, if I were the Bucks managment
I wouldn’t trade anybody until the trade deadline. That gives them a chance to see how these new pieces are fitting into the equation first before they jump on a back-up. For all the Bucks know, somebody could be a bad apple in the locker room or team chemistry. Then their stuck with the bad apple and just traded their good one.
The other bonus for waiting til the deadline will be that they can combine guys like Redd, Delfino, Ersan, LRMAM, CDR, Maggette together to make a major trade.
Until the deadline, sign Deiner or somebody and see how it works out. If it’s not working, look for a trade. Back-up PG just isn’t big enough of a job in Milwaukee that we need to lose a possible piece to the equation.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless they really view Sanders as a C - it makes sense to trade Ersan, IMO....
Sanders makes him disposable – and we could get a nice return for him
I’m not jumping on the LS bandwagon because of two SL games – he was the player JH & Skiles targeted way before the draft, and they’ve stated numerous times that he’s not a project – meaning he’ll get plenty of mpg this year.
Ersan looks to be the odd man out.
Clearly you have to be sold on Sanders if you are willing to trade Ersan
by FearTheDeer on Jul 14, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sold on anybody who hasn't played a regular season game in MKE.
Not Maggette, Not CDR, Not Sanders, Gallon, Hobson, Gooden, etc. In the mean time, keep the guys that got you there.
I’m going to be one really mad fan, if the Bucks trade Ersan.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 14, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda have the same feelings after last year...Id hate to lose Delfino. Luc. Ersan
but I also admit that was last season and the Bucks have shown they are definitely not hanging in the past with all the proactive moves……onwards and upwards hopefully :)
personally I hope we dont trade any of that trio I really like them all but thats not how it works most of the time
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
At the same time
Keeping the guys that got you there can be a recipe for not progressing.
Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.
yeah and Hammonds and co have shown they are definitely not going to stand around and hope for the best....
which you have to admire Hammonds could easily have stood pat and basked in the relative glory of last season…….instead he has put his rep on the line made some controversial moves to make sure Skiles has more talent and depth to work with
as much as I poke fun at Maggette look at our depth this year compared to last, and we also added 3 rookies so its not only a short term view
having said that we still have the back up pg and maybe a lack of a genuine back up for Bogut so I can see some more moves
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Yeah, if the Bucks wanna athletic Vin Baker Center like we would have always in the 90’s?
by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I'm impressed!
No YELLING. I’d agree with those who posted earlier who’d stick with the pieces we have. Even if we have to grab a scrap-heap PG that can pass even decently, I’d rather do that than trade the current crew. Too bad we won’t see if Hobson can play the point during SL…
I'm gonna wager that JH & Skiles know what they're doing....
And if they have faith in LS, they will do what’s best for the team….. and that prob means trading Ersan
I see you are pro trade Ersan
whereas I am
anti-trade Ersan
anti-trade Redd
anti-trade LRMAM
anti-trade anybody before the trade deadline.
However, if I had to choose the player of least significance it would easily be Carlos Delfino. Trade him or not, he won’t be a Buck in 2 years. I doubt they’ll even pay his unguaranteed salary next year. If he’s not a part of the equation, he’s trade bait, even if he’s a good player.
I don't want to trade Ersan either
But that’s a poor attitude IMO. You can’t sit on your hands and keep the guys you have at all costs. We wouldn’t have gotten Maggette if the Bucks went by that.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Eval
Bell = 3rd string, 30y.o, bad contract, non-contributor, not part of the future plan, maxed potential
Gadz = 3rd string, 28y.o, bad contract, non-contributor, not part of the future plan, maxed potential
Traded for:
CM = 1st or 2nd string, 30y.o., bad contract, good contributor, not part of the future plan, maxed potential
Delfino = 1st or 2nd string, 28y.o., good contract, good contributor, not part of the future, maxed potential (3/6)
Ersan = 1st or 2nd string, 23y.o., good contract, good contributor, part of the future, growth potential (6/6)
LRMAM = 1st or 2nd string, 23y.o, good contract, good contributor, part of the future, growth potential (6/6)
I’m trading the guy thats 3/6, if I trade anybody at all.
Good points...
Although I would argue that everybody is part of your future plans if you trade for him, even if it involves trading him right away again.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What determines maxed or growth potential?
Age, current skill level, or something else?
Eagerly awaiting SBN Madison.
So glad I bought mine a few months ago then... :)
…and now I have a good reason to justify to my wife ALL of the 55 inches ‘we’ bought! ‘See, honey…did you see that? That eye sparkle was the exact instant BJ3 maxed out his potential! Aren’t you glad I made the sacrifice to get such a big TV?’ ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 15, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Age and years in the league
Very, Very, Very rare that you are going to become a star after a particular age or particular number of years in the NBA. I’d say 28 is maxed. 22 is the age of a rookie.
I would package Redd and Ersan together.
I would hold on to both of them until the deadline because they could be the eraser chips needed to move a CM or a DG if they don’t cut the mustard!
Those player will be at a premium come the deadline…No! I would not trade either.
by Marko Schmidt on Jul 14, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Ersan is so talented, young, and the ultimate glue guy... plus a really good rebounder and gives awesome effort defensively...
if we trade him we are absolute fools…
Really?? What if someone offers a high first rounder or a all-star caliber player for him??
I don’t think JH would bw foolish to listen…
yeah well in your magical fantasy world i would accept that trade...
mid to late first rounder or middling nba talent is all we’d get for him at this point… especially if he just rots on the bench to start the year…
It's just a hypothetical situation, remember.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
super hypothetical
If Ersan Ilyasova is 22. If he showed the potential he showed the last year for the Bucks he’d be a top 10 pick EASILY next draft. If its not a guaranteed top 5, no thanks.
Way too premature is right
Is Ersan’s 2.5 going to get you much more than the BAE anyway? Is Tiny going to be on the roster come the regular season? Yes we need a point guard but we don’t need to trade an asset to get one. I agree with FTD I would look to trade Delfino before Ersan, think players similar to Carlos are easier to come by. Let’s just sit tight on our roster, wait and see what happens with the remaining FAs at PG. If someone comes knocking with a great deal maybe you pull the trigger but let’s not force the issue.
you guys all have such boners for summer league...
most of these guys will never amount to squat in the nba…
Fellas, I agree w/ you.... but if things stand as is, some deserving big man will not get the PT he deserves
Which makes me think JH will actively explore trading one…
You aren't making new points
I find it very bizarre that one of the Bucks’ greatest weaknesses since they drafted Andrew Bogut was the lack of quality big men depth behind him; and once the same organization achieves quality depth, fans call for shipping it out.
A roster with 6 potentially useful bigs is a GREAT thing. Especially with a All-Star caliber center that hasn’t even started to dribble again yet. Backup PG is less important than fantastic depth at the 4 and 5.
just making a point of the options available......backup pg is important when your options are nil at the moment
there is a difference between looking for a back up guy and 3rd stringer at the moment if Jennings has an issue we have exactly zip to replace him………so if we want to trade for a solid guy we have to look at our tradeable assets
if we want to sign a FA then obviously we dont have to trade anyone…..but not considering a trade is just negligent on Hammonds part
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Shaun Livingston to sign w/ the Bobcats.... scratch another PG off the list
JH is a smart man, and knows that anything can happen over the course of the season…. that’s why I believe he wants a PG that can start if something were to happen to BJ….. look at what happened with Bogut last year – if BJ were to be lost for the season, do you think he’d be comfortable w/ T Diener or C Atkins leading the team into the playoffs??? Doubt it.
Maybe he trades some picks for a PG and not a player…. but I gotta think he’s planning to trade for a PG and not even looking at the remaining FAs available.
If BJ went down
He could phone Bryan Colangelo at the ACC and say “Bryan, could I possibly pry Jose Calderon away from you?” Colangelo would sy “Well John, normally I would consider Jose untouchable but for you I might be tempted, what do you offer. JH says”A bag of used basketballs and Colangelo says done. Voila(we’re bilingual here)you have a starting poing guard, great on O, not the greatest on D.
Colangelo will personally deliver Calderon with a bow tie and all to any GM who wants him :)
all part of the service……..
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
My point exactly
And if the Knicks are going to form the 3 usurper Kings next year I’m sure Ray Felton could be had come trade deadline. There’s plenty of options available if(knock on wood)something happens to BJ. Minny hasn’t cornered the entire market on PGs yet.
I don't know, if Michael Jordan had the sense to turn down Calderon and his contract...
Is anybody going to take it?
by Brick's house on Jul 14, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't suggesting we should
I was just saying if BJ went down and we were desperate for a PG there’s options. He was the first one that dcame to mind and I wouldn’t touch his contract unless something really drastic happened.
Wow
Players like BJ don’t get back-ups of the same calibur
Michael Redd’s back-up Charlie Bell
Kobe Bryant’s back-up Shannon Brown
Amare’s (suns) back-up Channing Frye
When teams lose a star calibur player, they just lose.
We lose, but we can get someone who won't make us lose as much.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you plan for that when it happens not now
ie trade Ersan for something unrealistic like Collison. There’s not room in this town for both of them.
Hey I'm okay
With Deiner…..I think we’re just waiting until we see who will be willing to sign for BAE.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
they can try one of the team that hasnt got a GM and the owner is trying his hand at making personnel decisions....
oh wait they already hoisted Turkoglu onto the Suns….
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
International PG’s…It’s time to comb the EUROLEAGUE!
Who are the BEST pg’s available overseas?
Let’s look at the FIFA page?
Why do we want soccer players?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Just wondering
If Larry Sanders goes 0-12 from the field tonight will there be a post to send him to the D League?
Nah, this isn't RealGM ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Im ready to ship to europe for a couple of years already.....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I think the uniforms give it away
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Re: FIFA
Larry Sanders despite having a good game amongst college players and scrubs on a practice team. I wouldn’t rule out a year in the D-League for some seasoning.
I just don’t see him getting any playing time in front of LRMAM, Ersan, and especially a vet in Gooden. He will be in Ft. Wayne unless we trade for a Back up PG ala Bayless or Conley?
I only suggested FIFA because there could be a gem that would bring more attention to Milwaukee for making him a PRO in America!
Hammond/Skiles hate the D-League
Only guy they’ve sent there was Alexander when they wanted to exile him. Can’t see Sanders going there.
by Frank Madden on Jul 14, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The CBA has some dumb rules regarding D-League assignments IMO
I think a lot of GMs are afraid of wasting their assignment slots, so they just don’t use them. The NBA needs something like option years in baseball.
by richardhkirkando on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like the depth chart to look something like this, with the players we have now:
Jennings (35 min) /??? (13 min)
Salmons (33 min) / Delfino (15 min)
Mbah a Moute (21 min) / Maggette (27 min)
Gooden (21 min) / Ilyasova (20 min)/ Sanders ( 7 minutes)
Bogut (34 min) / Sanders (12/14 minutes) / Tiny (2 minutes/DNP)
Of course the minutes and positions are bound to change because, let’s face it, players change from year to year, especially young players like Ilyasova and Prince. And our offseason isn’t done. This is just a spread of minutes, not much else.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Probably. Just wanted to give him some time to shine.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Gooden...
…get more than 21min a game. Would prefer him to take Sander’s C mins to give him 30min PG.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 15, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
well Gooden is productive in his 25-30 mins...thats been consistent his whole career
he hasnt really ever earned more than that for various reasons….I expect 25 mins from Gooden
looking like Gooden, Sanders, Tiny handle back up C duties at the moment…
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Obviously if Gooden doesn't perform...
…drop his minutes and give Larry/Tiny more burn at the C.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 15, 2010 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I really like Gooden/Bogut combo its solid, occasionaly will be brilliant and every now and then will inexplicably drop a stinker ;)
its a lot better than most teams………….add in Luc, Ersan, and whatever Sanders/Gallon can add and thats a solid front line…….I think teams who underestimate that will find trouble…..thats a lineup with a lot of length, rebounding and Bogut’s defensive nous and presence ties it together
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Yup. Me likee, likee too ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 15, 2010 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions
add in some solid wing play from Salmons, Maggette, CDR, Delfino...
with Jennings adding the flair that all should add to be something pretty good……I know we over payed a bit for guys but that was the market and two seasons of solid play from Maggette, Salmons and Gooden will be worth it in supporting roles to Bogut & Jennings
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Gallon Vs. Sanders
LRMAM should really be a 3 …I like that one…been advocating it for the longest…but not likely. He is our 4…otherwise they would have done it already!
He is really our ONLY lockdown defender. Ersan’s the Shooter and Goodie-00 is our banger! Tiny being HUGE has really more of a shot to making the roster than Sanders.
Tiny has got range…Sanders made one shot…Tiny’s 300lbs… Sanders is a wiry, 235…
Sanders is good defensively, where Tiny is ok but he’s learning too but when you need a BIG, he held his own on 7’3’’ Thabeet where Sanders got caught in fouls….Both, of them at this point in there careers are no better than a “Danny G ala Daniel Santiago, or Zendon Hamilton” in our pro system…we are gonna have our moments of anger with both of them otherwise they would have been drafted higher!
I know a lot of you are hoping to see Larry Sanders…but without a trade of somekind…Tiny Gallon is gonna get the minutes because he is the closest thing to SHAQ we got!
Wait are you really comparing Tiny to Shaq?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And saying that Tiny is closer to Shaq than Bogut?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
He was obviously referring to Tiny's waistline.
very similar to Shaq’s
by Brick's house on Jul 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to say Tiny isnt as 'tiny' as advertised....has he slimmed down?
he looked pretty solid like a barrel than just plain old chubby…..but that was a pretty short clip
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I saw him on one of the pre-draft Larry Sanders clips
And that’s exactly how I would describe him. I mean I guess 300 isn’t totally out of whack for his height is it:?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
He was sporting the T-shirt under the jersey in the Memphis game.
Which made me wonder how much slimmer he really is. Plus, the summer league jersey has vertical stripes, and we know the slimming effects of stripes.
by Brick's house on Jul 15, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah obviously summer league means squat but the fact that Gallon & Sanders havent totally sucked is nice
shame that Hobson injured himself
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Yeah, had to chuckle he went back to the t-shirt-under-the-jersey look
Classic fat guy move. Also classic skinny guy move…
by Frank Madden on Jul 15, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Marko wanted to be taken seriously
I am giving him the opportunity.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
This.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
a 225lb C, I’d dunk on that guy…oh thats Sanders. Please don’t play him at C until he fills out.
I’d rather see
C: Bogut, Gooden
PF: Somebody (Sanders, Ersan, Gooden)
Every shooting guard not named JJ will blow right by Delfino too.
Like I said, It's based on the players we have now.
The fact is we don’t HAVE a good backup “natural” SG right now. And Gooden isn’t too thrilled about playing the center position. Doesn’t mean he can’t play it, but it’s something to consider.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 14, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
There has been too much tension here the last few days for my likeing...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Maybe JH could revisit last years almost trade......
T-Murph and A.J. Price for Redd and Ersan.
the first thing I know I look for in a PF is how well he shoots 3's ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
So let's say NTY to that deal
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
I wonder what the Bucks could do to get Horford and Bibby away from ATL? Thats an ideal PF and back-up PG.
anytime someone mentions getting Horford on the Bucks I start getting excited....
still if they re signed JJ……….it would be a minor miracle if they didnt match whatever Horford gets offered next season even if thats a max extension……still we can wish and it is Atlanta so there is always a glimmer of hope
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Obviously I agree
A frontline like Bogut, Horford, Gooden, and Sanders is VERY exciting. Never have to worry about somebody going down to injury because they all are big enough (will be eventually in Sanders case).
At some point the are going to realize that they can’t invest in on of those PF’s and continue to get better. Horford and Josh Smith can’t be the future in ATL unless Josh Smith shows he can play some SF. I would expect them to match anything for Horford too, which is why I would love to see them trade for him to have those restricted rights.
Gotta be honest, I’d break my anti-trade perspective for this one. I’d be willing to trade Delfino, Ersan, and LRMAM for Horford.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 15, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
yes Id give up alot for those restricted rights :)
Id love to see what Horford could do with a legit C holding down the fort next to him, he showed a pretty decent jumper against us when he stepped out against KT and we know he doesnt mind doing the dirty work on the boards and playing decent defense
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