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Hawks 83, Bucks 60: Who cares?

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So much for drama. The Vegas Bucks got out to their customary deficit early on, but this time around there was no comeback. Atlanta's superior guards weren't out of this world--Jeff Teague and Jordan Crawford combined for a modest 25 point on 21 shots--but against the Bucks' backcourt it didn't matter. Fortunately this is Vegas so it doesn't matter. On to the player discussions:

Larry Sanders - 34 min, 4/11 fg, 8 pts, 13 rebs, 4 stl, 3 blk, 3 to, 7 pf
It was a Ben Wallace-type night for Sanders, as he got a handful of garbage buckets but mostly made his impact by rebounding and creating turnovers on defense. He struggled to find post position all night--Alade Aminu and James Augustine did well fronting and denying him position on the block--and only had one shot in the first quarter as the Bucks struggled to get him involved. He then started to press a bit with his jumper,missing a few contested chances on his way to an 0/4 first half. The Bucks' beleaguered guards found him over the top for a couple buckets in the second, and he also converted a pair of putbacks to finish 4/7 in the second half.

Fortunately it was more of the same from Sanders on defense.  For a purportedly raw guy, he just seems to have a good sense of defensive spacing, which along with his quickness means he's always around the ball. Sanders' activity level also extends beyond just shot-blocking--he just makes plays. I'm not sure that he'll be a terrific defensive rebounder immediately, simply because he doesn't have the strongest base at this point. But those long arms and active hands always seem to be deflecting passes, poking the ball loose, etc. It's a bit easier to do that in Vegas without real foul limits, but Sanders' pesky, defensive style is exactly the kind of thing that earns minutes on Scott Skiles' teams. Anyone else excited to see this kid in November?

Star-divide

Tiny Gallon - 23 min, 4/11 fg, 1/3 threes, 9 pts, 5 rebs, 7 pf, 7 to
Gallon seems to get in good positions around the hoop, which is always easier when it's impossible to push you around. But he seems more convinced of his own shooting ability than he should be (note: the three he made tonight was banked in) and it just doesn't seem like he knows what he's doing sometimes. Not much discipline as a screener.  Defensively he moves well for his size but he's still a big man who can be exploited in P&R, and his lack of leaping ability means he's not a factor protecting the rim.  Then again, the fact that he's playing with Sanders probably doesn't help him look good.

In short, he's about what you'd expect from the 47th pick in the draft...there's talent there, but it's hard to imagine him being much of a factor this year. The underrated Richard Hendrix (14 on eight shots) exploited him on defense, which really shouldn't be too surprising given where they each are as players right now. The Bucks haven't used the D-League since Hammond/Skiles took over (exiling Joe Alexander there doesn't count) but Gallon could certainly benefit from the consistent minutes (run him into shape!) a trip to Fort Wayne would provide.

Sean Williams - 14 min, 4/7 fg, 2/2 ft, 10 pts, 3 reb
I haven't written much about Williams, mainly because I don't think the Bucks have room for him on the roster. Still you don't have to see him on the court much to see that he's clearly an NBA talent--and he hasn't even been blocking shots like he normally does.  At 6'10" he has both some basketball skills (namely nice touch 15 feet and in) and the athleticism to match most any NBA PF. So long as he keeps his head on straight (I know a big if) there's no reason he shouldn't be on an NBA roster.

Deron Washington - 32 min, 6/10 fg, 3/4 ft, 0/1 threes, 15 pts, 2 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk, 4 to
Washington is the only Bucks wing player with a vague claim to an NBA roster spot, and he showed tonight that he can still score even when he's not spotting up for threes. I questioned his in-between game the other day but to his credit he looked better putting it on the floor tonight.

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Larry Sanders as advertised

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 15, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep in mind.... Skiles won't be letting Sanders take more than a few shots per game in the regular season

Come training camp, Skiles will make a point of letting Sanders know his role….. his job will be to hustle, rebound, play D, and block shots…. and thankfully, he looks to be very good at all those things!

Remember… it took Bogut a few yrs before he bacame a legit offensive option…. expect the same from Sanders.

by victor s on Jul 15, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah pretty much agree....anything that Sanders shows on offense will be an added bonus

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

also

Sanders has pretty much found the right situation and right team to bring it all together without any pressure really…..surrounded by really good big guys who will produce nightly so he can step in and not have to do to much or have any expectation and make an impact by doing those small things that add up

Skiles and Hammond really seem to rate the kid and want to bring him along so that always helps

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Serge Ibaka might be the best reference point in terms of how Sanders might be able to help immediately. Ibaka was their bench energy guy and put up 6/5 on 54% shooting plus 1.3 bpg in 18 mpg. Some might argue that’s more of a best-case scenario, but it doesn’t seem very outlandish watching him this week.

by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is guy I was thinking of too.

I am also enjoying imagining the Bucks situational “Gotta get a stop” line-up with Luc and Larry at the forwards and Bogut in the middle. So many quick hands, so much tenacity and so much length. That will be a smothering frontcourt option for Skiles in end of game defensive situations.

by Brick's house on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hobson has to be pissed he's injured.... cuz he'd see a LOT of time at PG

Come to think of it, I’m kinda pissed he’s hurt – he’s supposedly a “first round talent” : (

by victor s on Jul 16, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

The Magic are keeping JJ Redick... for a lil over SIX MIL PER FOR 3 YRS!!!!

Yup – JJ Redick… more than the MLE for 3 yrs

Anyone wanna question the Gooden signing now? How about Salmons?? Hell, how about Maggette???? CMs contract actually looks good compared to some of this madness!

by victor s on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I was actually impressed with Reddick during the playoffs....

I think the magic had to match simply because they cant rely on their other wing players consistently in Carter and now they signed Q Richardson another streaky guy………Reddick looked pretty solid against the C’s…..improved defensively

If Im making a push and im the Magic I want Reddick

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is a tad slow.....but credit he has worked on it to the point.....

were it isnt a liability and doesnt keep him off the floor……alot of the times he stayed on the floor during the 4th…and when Vince is the other shooting guard you D looks a lot better ;)

but he has improved steadily, and had to earn Van Gundy’s trust….be a shame to put in all that effort and then watch him leave….and the Magic do pay over the market for guys anyway

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe a by a couple of million or so...but what the hey its the NBA ;)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's overpaid at all...

And the going rate this summer might even suggest he’s UNDER paid.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

like I said im contending Id pay him

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I was the Magic

I would have tried to swing Nelson for a younger point guard and a pick before the draft. Orlando needs a better distributor than Jameer, IMO.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm Im not used to someone using sarcasm on me....was that serious haha

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaddya mean...not used to people using sarcasm on you?

I use it on you ad nauseum!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 16, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

touche

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gallon to the D league is a very smart idea.

He needs to play a lot of games. He has talent, he also needs a kick in the ass. Living the unpriveledged life of a D-Leaguer might harden him up, make him apreciate what he’s got in front of him, and make sure he’s going to work hard

Go Beer, I mean Bucks

by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 16, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

D-League

I can’t name a single guy who set foot in the D-League who turned into something positive in the NBA. I haven’t followed the D-League much, but it seems like if a guy is going to the D-League, he’s bound for a 3rd string career.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramon Sessions!

In addition to the assignees, there were quite a few FA call-ups that gave solid minutes last year – Reggie Williams, Alonzo Gee, Sundiata Gaines spring to mind.

by richardhkirkando on Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

was Morrow a D league guy? I know GSW used quite a few last year

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a tradeoff

You definitely sacrifice the practice time with NBA coaches/player, which is a big deal…I imagine that’s the primary reason the Bucks weren’t interested in sending Alexander (as a rookie) or Meeks to the D. They want their guys to work with Bill Peterson, learn the system, practice with the team. It’s tough when you don’t have an affiliate team (as teams like the Lakers and Rox do) because you can only control their coaching so much.

As for Tiny, at this point I think we have to assume like any other low pick that he’ll never pan out…that’s why he lasted 47 picks. But there are some pretty solid NBA players who have played in the D.


Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Andersen, Kelenna Azubuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Matt Carroll, Eddie Gill, Stephen Graham, Jason Hart, Chuck Hayes, Anthony Johnson, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, Ime Udoka, Von Wafer, C. J. Watson, and Mike Wilks.15 Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions and Martell Webster.16

In the 2009–10 NBA season, a record of 27 players have been called up for a record 40 times. Several of those players earned a season-long contracts after being key contributors, including Anthony Tolliver, Chris Hunter and Reggie Williams (all Golden State Warriors), Sundiata Gaines (Utah Jazz), Chris Richard (Chicago Bulls), and Mario West (Atlanta Hawks).

by Frank Madden on Jul 16, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

2010 Draft and the new CBA boogie man

This draft more than any other draft, the number that you were picked att is less relevant tho. This draft had guys coming out left and right who weren’t ready based on the CBA and potential lock-out effects on the 2011 Draft etc. Guys like Tiny, Hobson, Whiteside, Stephenson, Crawford, etc all should have stayed another year probably. Some people would have said the same for Sanders. When you have that many underclassmen coming out, its just hard to pick through the talent and predict their futures. As the Bucks showed by having like 60 guys work out. The next draft is going to be all freshman, because everybody in college left. For all we know, next year Crawford, Stephenson, Whiteside, Tiny, Hobson would have been lottery picks.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 16, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that the lockout had as much to do with it

As just the fact that since you can’t get drafted out of high school, the next best thing for them is “one and done”

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 16, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The lockout had everything to do with it, rookie contracts are guaranteed to change with the CBA too, probably worse than the rest

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=5326974

1. A lack of high-quality college holdovers

Last season, a surprisingly large number of talented players decided to skip the draft and return to college.

Ohio State’s Evan Turner, North Carolina’s Ed Davis, Georgetown’s Greg Monroe, Wake Forest’s Al-Farouq Aminu, Kansas’ Cole Aldrich and Iowa State’s Craig Brackins all could have been lottery picks in 2009 but skipped the lure of the NBA for another year in college.

This year, with many college prospects worried about a potential lockout in 2011, just about everyone jumped into the pool.

In fact, we didn’t have one college player who was projected to go in the lottery skip the draft. Just six college players in our 2010 top 30 decided to return to school — John Henson, Mason Plumlee, Jeff Taylor, Elias Harris, Kyle Singler and Kenneth Faried. Of those six, just two — Henson and Plumlee — are projected as 2011 lottery picks at the moment.

A few others, including Jordan Hamilton, Aaric Murray, Kemba Walker, Kawhi Leonard, Malcolm Lee, Kris Joseph, Trey Thompkins, Rodney Williams, JaJuan Johnson, Chris Singleton, Abdul Gaddy and Tyshawn Taylor, have the talent to crack the first round if they dramatically improve — but there are few guarantees in next year’s draft.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 16, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

may be not this year, but down the road.

European teams must have been salivating at all the talent that was thrown in to this years draft. Only so many spots in the L, so European teams will get the tasty leftovers.

by Brick's house on Jul 16, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any word on why Darnell didn't get off the bench last night?

Or perhaps just further proof that he’s not in the Bucks plans…

by ZV on Jul 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Also, Sanders is apparently 6'1 lol

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2010/players/larry_sanders/index.html

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

at least that solves our back up pg problem....

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 cents

This is pretty much a throw away roster other than the people Frank mentioned. I’m pumped, Sanders is actually more than advertised. He looks to me like a guy that could get a ton better on the offensive end within a couple years. He can dribble a lit and he has showed an incredible instinct and ability to make really good set up passes for his teammates. That is not a skill or feel that you can really coach. Hope they don’t bury him on the bench all year, I doubt that will happen.
I counted 5 blocks last night and another 3 where he got called for a foul. He has been the victim of F-league officiating the past 3 games and is really closer to averaging 4 blocks per game.

by puremisery on Jul 16, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Idk why tho

Maybe they feel like he can play the back-up PG. If they are going to fill their last few roster spots, get a 7 footer and back-up PG

by FearTheDeer on Jul 16, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  


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