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Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Do the Bucks have the best shot to challenge the Heat in the East?

According to Tom Haberstroh, writing for a special for ESPN Insider, they are one of three teams that he targets as potential threats to the Heat's expected dominance.



Interesting stuff from the article after the jump....

Star-divide

 

"Before NBA franchises jump headfirst into copycat mode trying to assemble their own star-studded triumvirate to match Miami's, the wiser teams will recognize the market opportunity that lies ahead.

 

 

There's growing concern that a lockout awaits on the horizon, and in that event, there's a chance that spending power will be curbed significantly for 2011. Those expected new guidelines mean there's a better chance Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn actually says no to signing a backup point guard from the Bucks than another team manages to replicate the Miami Heat's model.

Instead, look for at least one team to go in the other direction. With a tighter budget, a more effective strategy may be to build an unselfish, deep group that will fully dedicate itself to establishing an impenetrable defense.

 

 

In other words, the new model will not be the 2010-11 Miami Heat, but rather the 2003-04 Detroit Pistons.

 

 

Conventional wisdom holds that the Pistons trumped the Hall of Fame-conglomerate Los Angeles Lakers in the 2004 Finals simply because they didn't have a future Hall of Famer to fight over the spotlight. In reality, the Pistons won the title because they possessed a historically stingy defense, orchestrated by coach Larry Brown, and the right personnel to buy into his world-class system.

 

 

Detroit's D allowed only 95.4 points per 100 possessions that season, which is the third-best defensive rating of the 3-point era and a whopping 6.8 points better than this past season's best defensive squad, the Bobcats. As the coaching mantra goes: Defense wins championships -- even if Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton and (an injured) Karl Malone all play for the other team.

 

 

So which teams would have the best chance to follow the all-business template provided by the Pistons?"

1. Portland Trailblazers

2. Oklahoma City Thunder

3. Milwaukee Bucks

"If Bucks coach Scott Skiles aims to be the next Larry Brown, he's doing a pretty good job. The former Most Improved Player award winner took over a 26-win team two seasons ago that featured the worst defense in the league and transformed it into a defensively focused squad fit for the playoffs. We shouldn't shower him with all the credit -- general manager John Hammond did win the Executive of the Year award -- but his young squad allowed the second-fewest points per possession in the league last season, and that ranking requires serious discipline.

 

 

Having Andrew Bogut helps. It's a shame that the casual NBA fan didn't get to see Bogut play in the playoffs, because the former No.1 overall pick had one of the more underappreciated seasons in recent memory. Bogut reinvented himself as a premier two-way player, scoring a career-high 15.9 points per game and blocking 175 shots, second only to Dwight Howard, despite missing final 13 games of the season to a freak injury. What's more remarkable, only Nick Collison drew more charges than the Australian center, according to Hoopdata.com.

 

 

It will be interesting to see how Corey Maggette reacts to Skiles, given his indifference to defense and the fact that another scoring-first swingman, John Salmons, is ahead of him on the wing. The coach managed to turn the slightly built Brandon Jennings into a fine defender at the point guard position, and with the depth the team added in acquiring Drew Gooden, Chris Douglas-Roberts and Larry Sanders, Skiles has plenty of other options if Maggette doesn't respond. Add in the versatility of Luc Richard Mbah a Moute off the bench and the Bucks boast the personnel and gritty attitude to potentially become the defensive powerhouse of the future -- with enough weapons to put points on the board, too."

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Are you talking long-term or this year?

I would think that Orlando and maybe Boston would be the best hopes to beat that Team of Collusion this year, maybe we can if things fall in place though. I do think the future is bright here, things can change but we have a solid core with more depth than most teams, other than the much talked about backup PG. I think Miami can be had…..and I sure hope they are otherwise NBA is going to be pretty boring if they win 3 or 4 in a row.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

The Future is Now!

Ok that just sounded lame

I’d say the Bucks look great right now, this year, but of course, they aren’t getting the love they deserve because it’s “Milwaukee.” Definitely top 4 in the East during the regular season, but the playoffs are another animal. The long-term is unknown, who knows what to expect of an injury prone C and a bunch of guys that might be traded. The only thing in the foreseeable future is BJ3 and Bogut. So talking 2 years from now, is complete nonsense.

The Bucks can play with anybody this year. I would only put them marginally behind Orlando in the East.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 17, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

"Defintley" top four?

Nothing is guaranteed. Last years team had great chemistry and while we’ve significantly upgraded in the talent department, it’s not always talent that makes Skiles’ teams successful.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 17, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defense and toughness required

The Bucks’ defense prowess, if it continues this season, can challenge anybody in the East. They should score more points, which could mitigate an potential drop in defense. With Skiles as coach, I just don’t see it. These guys will be ready and hungry.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah... that is what was so refreshing about last season...

seeing good defense and rebounding was so refreshing… as long as that continues i think we will be competative for a long time coming…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just wondering

Why they think the Bucks would be interested in Scalabrine

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder that too

But just because they listed him, doesn’ mean the Bucks are interested. I mean, the first player in that list was Allen Iverson. Come on.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know but Iverson at least makes sense position wise, ok maybe not

Do think Ratliff would be useful…..Sanders could learn shot-blocking from two of the best.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

we don't need any more frontcourt help...

we need a 12 mpg backup pg and we are set unless the FO has something bigger in the works…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would disagree

I think we need a 3rd centre for 6 fouls or garbage time or if someone gets in foul trouble. I’m not convinced that Tiny will be on the roster come November and Gooden can’t play big minutes at 4 and 5.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed CanadaBucks

I too feel uneasy about the frontcourt; relying on rookies is dangerous, at last early in the season. Big men as a whole also develop slower than guards and small forwards. An older enforcer would be nice.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they need another back-up C

I don’t like any of the back-up C’s because Gooden is starting at PF. I’d be fine if he was the back-up C, but at some point they are bound to both need a rest at the same time. Sanders, Gallon, Ersan all less than excite me at C and the Bucks would need to be up by quite a bit to throw them out there at C.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 17, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

KT hasnt signed for anyone as of yet......hope we can fit him in...perfect back up back up C

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theo Ratliff would be a pretty good compromise as well..........

kinda depends where the coahes see Sanders fitting in……..they obviously want to get him minutes if they see him playing back up C quite often then KT makes a lot of sense as insurance and playing spot minutes against the bigger bodied guys…….

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

12 mpg back up pg kinda screams Diener doesnt it :)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this from the Bleacher Report thing?

I couldn’t get it to open, but it’s not like Bleacher Report is much more than a message board anyway.

by Frank Madden on Jul 17, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've resigned to the fact

That the Bucks aren’t going to win a championship unless major changes in the CBA are implemented. Maybe that’s an extremely pessimistic view point, but with the way the NBA is set up right now, it’s almost impossible because of all the stars colluding in recent years and the rich get richer big market attitude in the NBA. So I just hope that we can get better every year and hopefully make some progress.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I was a Montreal Expo fan for 35 years

So I know the feeling. I still think other sports need to follow the NFL model. If you draft well and make wise personnel moves in the NFL, you can compete. Revenue sharing makes all markets equal and none of these loopholes to go over the salary cap. NHL is getting close to the NFL, NBA and MLB are pretty much the same IMO.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still say the NFL is aided by a couple plays meaning the difference between under .500 and the playoffs

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 17, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because..

There’s more parity and more teams have a shot at post season maybe?

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm referring more to 16 game schedules

Two lucky bounces can change a team from 7-9 to 9-7. Two lucky bounces doesn’t mean as much when you play 82 or 162.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 17, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken

Every game matters more in the NFL.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

the cba is just fine in the nba...

teams can offer their own players more money than the competition… unless we are going to pack up the city of milwaukee and move it to a warm weather climate stars are going to trend towards the bigger and/or warmer cities regardless of money

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

David Stern likes that system

He didn’t bat an eye when the Seattle Sonics were dying ..not a damn bit. I believe he is the absolute worst commish in professional sports. I mean, the guy would prefer a team in Paris over a team in Las Vegas or anywhere else in the lower 48.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the NBA model, with some tweaks

NFL model is too restrictive and really only works well because there are only 16 games. Because of that, teams get fairly equal TV revenue.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

The problem is reputation and preference

Smaller market teams, especially in the NBA, have a hard time enticing big names. It’s more of a “lifestyle” and “prestige” issue in the NBA than it is the other sports. Even the strictest salary cap would have little affect on that.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I just think that the NBA as it is now

Will end up bing 7-8 teams being very competitive year after year, and the rest also-rans similar to MLB. You will occasionally get the odd team(Minnesota Twins) who compete because of superior management of talent. Theres already talk(yes I know talk is cheap) of the Knicks having Stoutamire, Paul and Melo next year,who knows what would be next if that happened. I really don’t find the NFL too restrictive, I think it works,you get the best players making the best salaries, and you never see salary dumps like you do in all other sports. Was it just fortune that Miami was able to sign 3 high-priced FAs this off-season?

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

the cba isnt the problem...

the problem with parity in basketball is that since there are less players on the court an individual can impact the game so much more than in any other sport which is why if you have a mega-star you are at a huge advantage for a long time…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to play Devils Advocate

Why isn’t it the same for hockey.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

when you have less scoring you tend to have more variability in who can win...

if a team is only down by one scoring play most of the game they can get lucky and come back since they only have to score once…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

And no financial system or salary cap scheme is going to change that.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like basketball because it is the perfect mix of predictability and variability...

in any one game scenario any team can win because of the skill aspect of the game like their jumpers and other less consistent things may not be falling…

but in the long haul, like in a playoff series for example, the better team usually wins because it also incorporates a physical aspect which is pretty much the same for each team from night to night…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i do agree though it would be nice to see a little more parody in the nba...

i think a huge step towards this may be unguaranteed contracts or partially guaranteed contracts… then when small market teams that feel the need to overpay stars like they are superstars so they can attract their talent they aren’t screwed for years to come when they tear their acls like 7 times…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

but also alot of times you could say it would help teams that just made bad decisions......

how can you account for that…….should teams or management be able to get off that easily……….like paying Kenny Thomas $50 million over 7 years I say you should be stuck with that pennance

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets face it...

it only hurts the quality of the nba to have dead money on teams books… the only reason Danny G is still in the NBA is because teams are waiting for his deal to expire… he would never see the floor in the nba if we weren’t so tied into him…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah true that applies to a lot of guys hanging around the NBA benches

Isaiah Thomas has a whole plethora of bad contracts running round the league still

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't really explain though

Why there are a ton of all stars on one team.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 17, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you CAN force teams to cut back on spending

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 17, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is all relative anyways...

i dont think the spending is that out of control as much as guaranteed money is out of control… the nba makes alot of money so i dont mind some of it going to the players…. i just hate that it is 100% guaranteed…

by Superelkman on Jul 18, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah thats a good point...nothing outrageous about good players getting paid....

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with it being guaranteed?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 18, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

So don't sign players for that much money and/or time

Management stupidity isn’t a good reason to get rid of guaranteed salaries.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 18, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

its a fine balance and you can argue either way.......

but everyone see’s it as a business deal……and if your employed and you dont perform your out on you arse in the real world…..and I know athletes have a limited time frame to earn money in their career but still why should a guy who plays 10-12 mins and produces very little tangible results expect to get paid equally

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know what your saying but the nba needs to implement some form of pay for performance...

and the only real way to do this is not making contracts fully guaranteed…

it hurts the quality of the game…

by Superelkman on Jul 18, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What you do not have in the NFL is "true excellence"

That is where it falls short. If I can find it, I will post an article I wrote a few years ago that illustrates this. You just don’t have the “true dominance” anymore. Fortunately, for the NFL and most of its fans, that is OK. For me, it is not.

by tommyr on Jul 17, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm okay I have no clue about NFL so Ill just say that.........

but in terms of dominance do you mean like a dynasty with one dominant team during a certain era? Because one of the things that turned me off EPL football or ‘soccer’ was that only a few teams had the chance of ever winning a premiership and if you didnt support thise teams it was like bad luck………

one of the good things about AFL australian rules football is that the system allows poorer performing teams to build up their talent level, retain that talent and achieve success and challenge for a premiership in a relatively small cycle…………it still rewards and allows teams who are good enough to maintain that success if their coaching and management is good enough

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 17, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I am a Montreal Canadiens fan, saw about 10 titles in 25 years, sad to say it gets old. Nice to see teams rise from relative obscurity and win or at least challenge, it makes for a refreshing change. I just like the NFL because it seems almost every team has had a stretch of being good at one point of time and unless you count New England, there has been nothing close to a dynasty since the Cowboys who won 3 out of 4 just prior to free-agency.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 17, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah its hard to imagine supporting a team and never having a hope of a championship......

mainly because of market and financial reasons, make it a whole lot more interesting if everyone has a chance through smart decision making and player management to have a shot……..and Im talking from the perspective after supporting an AFL team that has won 1 premierhsip in like a 120 years :)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago Cubs

102 years without a World Series win. 65 years since a finals appearance. At least the city has had a few wins though with the Bulls, bears and Blackhawks

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats pretty depressing..........then again

time for a history lesson in Australian Rules Football……..say hello to the St.Kilda Saints…………133 years and 1 premiership which was won by a solitary point……….add to that 25 times finished bottom of the league………

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry 26 times finished last I undersold the misery :)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that at least

You saw the Championship.. Would suck if it was like the year before you were born or something.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately no 1966....so 44 years and counting

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off the top of my head

In the “big four” sports, there’s at least 6 teams with longer droughts.

Detroit Lions-1957
Cleveland Indians-1948
Cleveland Browns-1964
Houston Astros-None….been around since 1962
St. Louis Cards(NFL)-1947
Chicago Cubs-1908

There may be more and it doesn’t help your misery but you can see you’re not alone.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm 1908......thats kinda a whole other level of waiting.......

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I keep forgetting the Indians havent won a title for so long.......Hollywood movies excluded

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologise in advance for converting you :)

hopefully one of them will be the grand final

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew Id get someone interested eventually :)

yeah not a bad time to start……last couple of seasons won 34 lost 7….unfortunately one of them was the Grand Final……but thereabouts again this year fingers crossed…

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not deppressing for Milwaukeans

Who hate the Cubs and everything to do with Chicago sports ;) The Bulls-Bucks rivalry isn’t as big as the others. Brewers-Cubs, Packers-Bears.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 18, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha I havent been following the Bucks that long but I dislike Chicago

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree with this.

The NBA also doesn’t do enough promoting of smaller market teams… Although that might be true in a number of sports.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 17, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would say most sports that is true...

football might but they really dont give any preference… maybe just to who is winning…

by Superelkman on Jul 17, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

KT and a 3rd C

Myself and a few others on this board are of the belief that we need another “big” along with the 2nd PG to fill out our team. I know a lot of us would like to see KT back next year. I know he was rumoured to be looking at Miami but I think with the Heat signing the Big Z, as well as Howard and possibly Magliore there doesn’t look to be any room there. Anyone heard any other possible destinations for KT, I know Chicago is looking for another big.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I haven't heard anything about KT, but it seems there's legs to the L Head rumor....

Which I would like.

He’s a good shooter w/ 3point range, nice size [6’3]…. seems to be an OK defender, and can play 2 guard…. he actually probably is more of an undersized SG, anyways…. but one of the better scorers of the available FA PGs

I think Milw could do a lot worse than LH.

And for some odd reason, I think he’d thrive here w/ Skiles

by victor s on Jul 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

No arms or torso to go with the legs on that Head rumour...?

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Very good article about the Heat from RU

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2010/7/9/1560236/lebrons-decision-the-next-era#storyjump

This basically sums up my feelings about the NBA the last few years and beyond.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 21, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

The issue I have with articles like that

Is the implication everything was hunky dory with the NBA before now. Teams built traditionally and teams were on a level playing field.

Then you read along and see this:

While OKC and Portland appear to be on the up and up, they’ve yet to seriously challenge the Lakers, Celtics or even the Nuggets and Mavericks to some extent.

So the Lakers, Celtics, Nuggets, and Mavericks have done well. This isn’t new. Those teams have been good for a long time (okay, maybe not Denver). Were they built traditionally? Have they not acquired proven stars?

Later on:

Because teams can no longer seriously contend in the upper tier without committing themselves to doling out max contracts. The sad truth of it is that for the most part, they’re wasting their time.

This is new? The very next sentence says:

The only team to win a championship without two legitimate stars in the past 20 years was Detroit in ’04.

20 years. And teams stockpiling stars is a new problem? To me, it’s the same as it has been for years, but Dwyane & Friends is just an easy reason to start more OMGtheNBAisRUINED hand-wringing.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 21, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your 100 percent right about that.

I guess it’s more about the stars teaming up angle that I’m more concerned about.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 21, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about it that bothers me

Is that Miami knew it was happening IMO. I read this article stating how difficult it was for Miami to clear the room to sign these three and I wondered, would you do that if you weren’t pretty sure it was going to happen? That’s what bothers me about it, tampering in the worst way.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we just stop this stars teaming up nonsense

Geez this summer has made players into even more entitled jerks

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68279/20100721/report_paul_has_demanded_trade_to_knicks_magic_lakers/

This might not be true. The manager at atthehive says his friend met up with CP and he told him that he wanted to stay and that the media made all this stuff up. My sources are more reliable. Case closed. ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 PM CDT reply actions  

And the band played

Ball of collusion

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and your awesome quote of the day, from Seth at Posting and Toasting

This afternoon I toasted two pieces of bread on both sides, slathered each with an equal amount of butter, and placed them at either end of my kitchen. I then pulled my dog aside, and said, "Listen, dog: If Chris Paul wants to be traded, go eat the toast by the sink. If Chris Paul does not want to be traded, go eat the toast by the fridge."

She ate the toast by the sink. SOURCES. HE’S GONZO.

lol

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 21, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouija board in the shop?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Toast of Destiny...Meal of Fortune...

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good one LOL

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 22, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If only the good players were spread evenly through the league by fiat

And it was rare for a team to win more than 47 and fewer than 35.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 21, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I detect some sarcasm? ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 21, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mayhaps

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I blame everything on David Kahn.....thanks for taking Michael Beasley

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 22, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hear hear!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some on this list wanted us

To take him…….

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 22, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn is at fault for everything bad in the NBA

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 22, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just looked at the Wolves roster

They seriously might challenge the Sixers for worst record ever….

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 22, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is it that these so-called GMs can completely screw a franchise...

…and get paid millions to do it, when I’m happy to screw them up for free? Wait! No, for free, I wouldn’t even be able to do that bad if I tried…scary to think what I could do with the Wolves on a minimum wage…

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyway

For all intents and purposes, LeBron is an idiot.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68343/20100725/lebron_advised_paul_to_request_trade/

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 25, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

well if he is taking career advice from LBJ my estimation of Paul has gone astray

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

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