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Bucks/Cavs: Last chance to impress in Vegas

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The funny part about Vegas is how it forces you to adapt the way you watch a game. Yes, you may be a Bucks fan, and there may be guys running around on the court wearing Bucks' practice jerseys. But it's never really about winning so much as getting a first look at young players, over-analyzing everything they do, and then trying to figure out what (if anything) it all means for the future. Winning is great, but you'd much rather lose and have your rookies look great than win because you had the best non-roster free agents in town. And while it may not be "good basketball," it's the closest thing we'll get to real basketball for another three months, which tends to make everything seem a bit more important, particularly as we contemplate the futures of young players getting their first taste of NBA competition.

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So what have we learned from  the 2010 edition of the Vegas Bucks? We knew going in that only three players on the roster seemed safe to make the roster--rookies Larry Sanders, Darington Hobson and Tiny Gallon--and Hobson was unfortunately KO'ed from the tournament last week with a groin injury. Darnell Jackson and his unguaranteed contract seemed more of a longshot to make the team, and indeed he's barely played since a nice first game last Monday.  

That pretty much leaves Sanders and Gallon, who get one last chance to impress today against J.J. Hickson, former Buck Jared Reiner, and the rest of the post-LeBron Vegas Cavs. After dominating earlier in the week, Hickson looked fairly disinterested yesterday, which is understandable for a guy already in his third summer league. I'd be a bit surprised if he even suited up today--what does he have to prove?--but then again I wouldn't have expected him to be here in the first place.

I'll be hoping to see a better effort from Sanders, who for better or worse has been fairly consistent with his performances all week. Plenty of energetic, havoc-inducing defense with here and there flashes of offensive skill. He might not be ready for the starting PF spot next to Andrew Bogut, but everything we've seen this week suggests he could immediately make an impact on the defensive end at the 4 or against less imposing centers. It was also encouraging to hear other writers excited about Sanders as I made my way around press row yesterday. 

Aside from John Wall, it doesn't seem like any rookies have really wowed us consistently for the past week. DeMarcus Cousins looked on his way a few days ago, but then looked utterly terrible yesterday against a physical Bulls frontline of Samardo Samuels and Chris Richards and has shot poorly overall. Greg Monroe dropped a great line in his last game (27/14) but had been fairly anonymous up until that point. 

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Serious Question Here

What is the point of Summer League? I may have asked this in another thread but I am wondering why the FO of the Bucks doesn’t have Gallon and Sanders each working on a post game. I wouldn’t think the Bucks froma developmental point of view need to see Micah Downs hoisting up 3 balls(whether he’s making them or not), why not use this time to work on some things for teh young guys who will liekly make the team.

Or am I missing the point of this league?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps the Bucks coaching staff sees more potential in Sanders midrange game than his post game.

Maybe this is an effort to work towards his strengths so that he has at least one aspect of his offensive game he is comfortable with in his rookie season. Not all big men have a post game, as Kurt Thomas proved in his long career.

by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Realistically he's not going to be getting post touches in the short term

I see your point and I would like to see Sanders get the ball more down low, but he’s generally had trouble establishing position this week which is part of it. And you could make the case that almost all of his shots (in the next year or so) are going to come out of broken plays and catch-and-shoot situations from midrange anyway. That doesn’t mean I like seeing him shoot 20-footers off the dribble, but…

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Points of SL

To see how guys fair against slightly better competition than they played against in college.

Signing 2nd round picks and undrafted players and filling out rosters

It’s not really for practice, it’s just to get a closer look at guys existing skill-set.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 18, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and with the rookies you’re putting in sets and giving them the first taste of your system as well.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok thanks guys I honestly didn't know.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was painful

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um hello

James Naismith Canadian invented hoops. LOL

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Owned.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes I Imagine your not going to do much coaching..............just get them into the set up

main thing is to get a look at what they can do, what they think they can do and the myriad of things that need to be worked on I guess

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Darnell Jackson is not here

And likely going to be elsewhere soon. Probably not headed to Miami, however.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Does a nice job establishing position—that’s where the big body helps. Decent-looking moves, I like the idea of giving hm touches.

And then he gets the block.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody did a great study on the value of a block

Basically they accounted for what happened after the block (out of bounds, turnover, offensive rebound) and also included goaltends. IIRC they found Dwight Howard had the least valuable blocks because he put so many out of play and goaltended a bunch too.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frank, How many guys can bucks have on their roster?

I could think of worse guys to be the last man that Sean Williams!

by puremisery on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

what like Dan Gadz?

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

15

Jackson isn’t even with the team anymore so you can do the math on him. That gives the Bucks two spots, with one definitely being a backup PG. Not sure if they’ll try to get another big man, but you could do worse than Williams…certainly he’s an NBA talent. But you could also argue they would be better off getting a big, bruising post defender with that last spot than another athletic, slightly smaller guy.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couple nice plays by James

Good hard double creates a steal. Great delayed pass of P&R with Tiny.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Great defensive possession by Tiny

Good hard show and recover, then gets back to help on the drive for the block.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Bucks braintrust in the house

Skiles, Babcock and McKinney sitting courtside, Hammond/Weltman together in the stands

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

not that im complaining but its kinda ridiculous........

Weltman cant get gig running a team but we get guys like Billy Knight retreaded in New Jersey…..go figure

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Name recognition is what gets you a job in the NBA, it seems.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess.....its surreal though....there are plenty of good candidates out there......

guys who done the hard work and ground work and have a good knowledge and rep around the league and have had a great grounding in succesful organisations

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm fine with Weltman not being able to run a team...

As long as he sticks with us ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweet brick, Tiny

If you get all glass on an open three, you may want to re-evaluate your shot selection…

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colonel Sanders/The Sandman

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryobi

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he's a tool?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 18, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryobi Sander.......

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay its a stretch admittedly......thought Id try something different

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link to online broadcast of the game?

Hey gang. Just got home. Can someone post the link to the online feed of the game? Thanks

by tommyr on Jul 18, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Jennings and Sanders....yes please

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude.....6'11 and teh dude is trying to drop 3's.......slap him now

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

yes Id prefer if he got a bit closer to the basket ;)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

classic fat boy move......

t shirt under the singlet….just draws more attention…

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

He's been alternating with the t-shirt

Gone without it a couple games, now back to it. But yes, he’s hiding something :)

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a big boy

Word is they weren’t pleased with his conditioning when he showed up last week. Not shocking, but not a good start given he should know better at this point.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

just a bit of puppy fat is all ;)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

See Yue is decent......better than I thought he would be

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I hate

Why do they consider Chicago better than Milwaukee? Milwaukee was better last season and won the season series. Acquired Maggette, Gooden, CDR, Sanders, etc. The Bulls get Boozer and they are suppose to be better? NO F***IN WAY!

by FearTheDeer on Jul 18, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Sanders just got some treatment on his lower back

He grimaced in the first half after he did something but didn’t come out. Ready to check back in now.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course it's summer league

But he’s clearly a consistent 3pt shooter and has incredible athleticism which should translate to defense.

I would compare him to Delfino, but I’d say Delfino has a weight advantage that fairs well on his end as well as NBA experience.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 18, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously not to labor the point....but Tiny plays like he just ate a full meal and was about to take a nap......

then someone told him he has to play a game of basketball……….needs some serious conditioning……not worried about his size….he struggling to get up and down the court

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

woah that was some terrible defending by Tiny

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree ILIKEBJ

Gallon looks lazy, unsure, and unmotivated. I have been watching all week and reserving comments. But I see no value in that guy, upside or not. he does not play like he is battling for a roster spot. I would take Williams over him.

by tommyr on Jul 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Id feel alot better if we have KT on board for next season

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I triple the motion

Need his dirty work on the second unit.

by tommyr on Jul 18, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah that was an eye opener........

I dont know if Id want Tiny or Sanders spending much time at C……..and just having a guy like KT as insurance is comforting……plus 10-15 mins of heads up D would be nice

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

the Czar!!!!

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I had no idea there was a game today this early

I wouldn’t have been able to watch it anyway… But yay, we won a game! How did Tiny/Sanders look?

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Nothing new really

Sanders got a bit jumper-happy late but overall had an efficient game. Less on the boards, but another three blocks. Tiny rebounded and blocked a couple shots but had his usual share of facepalm plays. Didn’t shoot many jumpers, though he utterly bricked a wide-open three.

by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just another day at the office, I see.

Everyone on the Bucks who played had a positive +/-… Not sure if that tells anything, but glad we could salvage a win out of summer league, even if it doesn’t mean a dang thing.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think with Tiny it comes down to conditioning

he looks woefully out of basketball shape

Sanders looks raw to be honest, but you can see what he could be and with his athleticism, length and attitude plus with the Bucks determination to get him into the rotation you figure he will come along

still both of them look a stretch to cover many minutes at back up C at the moment

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't look like

Sanders actually can jump that high. His arms are just ridiculously long and he’s quick. Am I wrong? Did anybody see his combine vertical?

by FearTheDeer on Jul 18, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiny looked like he swallowed a small person whole

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

possibly :)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Skiles wasn't feeding Gallon properly I guess

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

either that or we just learnt you shouldnt stiff russian connected cab drivers in Miami

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably one of Prokhorov's Russian spies

He blackmailed the Bucks into giving them Jackson. He secretly knew that Frank wrote for BrewHoop so he made it sound like he was going to Miami as a smokescreen, knowing that he would write about it. See, it all makes sense now.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine how much he has torn up the Las Vegas buffets.

They were probably crying mercy when they saw him walk in.

by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

he wore the sweat pants......allows for more stretch

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

not that we have roster spot but See Yue would be an interesting project as a 3rd pg

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Where was Frank going...?

Our FL remarked on Jackson not being present. He asked if we knew why he’d pointed that out. Possibilities include:

1. He’s not a rookie. The p-by-p announcer said there’s a SL practice that the more experienced players don’t play toward the end.

2. PaulPressey, a FL on RealGM, has been trying to sell the world a gtrade of Delfino & Jackson to bring Sessions back as back up PG.

Likely other possibilities too.

by unklchuk on Jul 18, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  


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