Bucks/Cavs: Last chance to impress in Vegas
Time: 3 pm Central
TV: NBA Broadband
The funny part about Vegas is how it forces you to adapt the way you watch a game. Yes, you may be a Bucks fan, and there may be guys running around on the court wearing Bucks' practice jerseys. But it's never really about winning so much as getting a first look at young players, over-analyzing everything they do, and then trying to figure out what (if anything) it all means for the future. Winning is great, but you'd much rather lose and have your rookies look great than win because you had the best non-roster free agents in town. And while it may not be "good basketball," it's the closest thing we'll get to real basketball for another three months, which tends to make everything seem a bit more important, particularly as we contemplate the futures of young players getting their first taste of NBA competition.
So what have we learned from the 2010 edition of the Vegas Bucks? We knew going in that only three players on the roster seemed safe to make the roster--rookies Larry Sanders, Darington Hobson and Tiny Gallon--and Hobson was unfortunately KO'ed from the tournament last week with a groin injury. Darnell Jackson and his unguaranteed contract seemed more of a longshot to make the team, and indeed he's barely played since a nice first game last Monday.
That pretty much leaves Sanders and Gallon, who get one last chance to impress today against J.J. Hickson, former Buck Jared Reiner, and the rest of the post-LeBron Vegas Cavs. After dominating earlier in the week, Hickson looked fairly disinterested yesterday, which is understandable for a guy already in his third summer league. I'd be a bit surprised if he even suited up today--what does he have to prove?--but then again I wouldn't have expected him to be here in the first place.
I'll be hoping to see a better effort from Sanders, who for better or worse has been fairly consistent with his performances all week. Plenty of energetic, havoc-inducing defense with here and there flashes of offensive skill. He might not be ready for the starting PF spot next to Andrew Bogut, but everything we've seen this week suggests he could immediately make an impact on the defensive end at the 4 or against less imposing centers. It was also encouraging to hear other writers excited about Sanders as I made my way around press row yesterday.
Aside from John Wall, it doesn't seem like any rookies have really wowed us consistently for the past week. DeMarcus Cousins looked on his way a few days ago, but then looked utterly terrible yesterday against a physical Bulls frontline of Samardo Samuels and Chris Richards and has shot poorly overall. Greg Monroe dropped a great line in his last game (27/14) but had been fairly anonymous up until that point.
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Serious Question Here
What is the point of Summer League? I may have asked this in another thread but I am wondering why the FO of the Bucks doesn’t have Gallon and Sanders each working on a post game. I wouldn’t think the Bucks froma developmental point of view need to see Micah Downs hoisting up 3 balls(whether he’s making them or not), why not use this time to work on some things for teh young guys who will liekly make the team.
Or am I missing the point of this league?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Perhaps the Bucks coaching staff sees more potential in Sanders midrange game than his post game.
Maybe this is an effort to work towards his strengths so that he has at least one aspect of his offensive game he is comfortable with in his rookie season. Not all big men have a post game, as Kurt Thomas proved in his long career.
by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Realistically he's not going to be getting post touches in the short term
I see your point and I would like to see Sanders get the ball more down low, but he’s generally had trouble establishing position this week which is part of it. And you could make the case that almost all of his shots (in the next year or so) are going to come out of broken plays and catch-and-shoot situations from midrange anyway. That doesn’t mean I like seeing him shoot 20-footers off the dribble, but…
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Points of SL
To see how guys fair against slightly better competition than they played against in college.
Signing 2nd round picks and undrafted players and filling out rosters
It’s not really for practice, it’s just to get a closer look at guys existing skill-set.
Yeah, and with the rookies you’re putting in sets and giving them the first taste of your system as well.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That was painful
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Um hello
James Naismith Canadian invented hoops. LOL
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Owned.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
yes I Imagine your not going to do much coaching..............just get them into the set up
main thing is to get a look at what they can do, what they think they can do and the myriad of things that need to be worked on I guess
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Darnell Jackson is not here
And likely going to be elsewhere soon. Probably not headed to Miami, however.
Tiny 3 low post shots to start
Got fouled on third one
Does a nice job establishing position—that’s where the big body helps. Decent-looking moves, I like the idea of giving hm touches.
And then he gets the block.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't expect to see too many of those tho
He can’t jump over a phone book
Somebody did a great study on the value of a block
Basically they accounted for what happened after the block (out of bounds, turnover, offensive rebound) and also included goaltends. IIRC they found Dwight Howard had the least valuable blocks because he put so many out of play and goaltended a bunch too.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Frank, How many guys can bucks have on their roster?
I could think of worse guys to be the last man that Sean Williams!
what like Dan Gadz?
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
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Jackson isn’t even with the team anymore so you can do the math on him. That gives the Bucks two spots, with one definitely being a backup PG. Not sure if they’ll try to get another big man, but you could do worse than Williams…certainly he’s an NBA talent. But you could also argue they would be better off getting a big, bruising post defender with that last spot than another athletic, slightly smaller guy.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Awful would have been turnover
Drawing a foul makes it just…dubious :)
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
using all of that wingspan for that dunk.
by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't measure out a great vertical in Chicago
And he just showed why that’s not a big deal…9’4" standing reach simplifies things
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate this split screen, I am only rocking a 4 inch screen as it is.
I can barely make out the action when they do split screen.
maybe he hasnt realised LBJ left.....Keyshia Cole doesnt let him watch ESPN during the off season
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Great defensive possession by Tiny
Good hard show and recover, then gets back to help on the drive for the block.
This is actually the Cavs regular season team
Same results at least :)
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm OK with that kind of turnaround
Went straight-up, didn’t fadeaway, used that length
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Elvin Hayes like?
I’m barracuded at work and can’t watch
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Bucks braintrust in the house
Skiles, Babcock and McKinney sitting courtside, Hammond/Weltman together in the stands
not that im complaining but its kinda ridiculous........
Weltman cant get gig running a team but we get guys like Billy Knight retreaded in New Jersey…..go figure
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Name recognition is what gets you a job in the NBA, it seems.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess.....its surreal though....there are plenty of good candidates out there......
guys who done the hard work and ground work and have a good knowledge and rep around the league and have had a great grounding in succesful organisations
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Well, I'm fine with Weltman not being able to run a team...
As long as he sticks with us ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweet brick, Tiny
If you get all glass on an open three, you may want to re-evaluate your shot selection…
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Tiny with another block
Also, if you saw the white guy in media row awkwardly grab the ball and toss it to the official, that was me.
Colonel Sanders/The Sandman
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryobi
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Ryobi Sander.......
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
okay its a stretch admittedly......thought Id try something different
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Link to online broadcast of the game?
Hey gang. Just got home. Can someone post the link to the online feed of the game? Thanks
Jennings and Sanders....yes please
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Just Paschke so far.
None of the Bucks players or staff were around yesterday
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
dude.....6'11 and teh dude is trying to drop 3's.......slap him now
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
yes Id prefer if he got a bit closer to the basket ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
haha Sanders just got smoked on the perimeter....cut to Skiles rubbing his face haha...classic
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Eyenga's a 6'5" swingman
So it’s not too surprising
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be
DX has him 6’5" and ESPN has him 6’6"
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He better be good at something
They picked him over Blair last year
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
classic fat boy move......
t shirt under the singlet….just draws more attention…
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
He's been alternating with the t-shirt
Gone without it a couple games, now back to it. But yes, he’s hiding something :)
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
How does he look now that you are seeing him in person?
by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a big boy
Word is they weren’t pleased with his conditioning when he showed up last week. Not shocking, but not a good start given he should know better at this point.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
just a bit of puppy fat is all ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
See Yue is decent......better than I thought he would be
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
What I hate
Why do they consider Chicago better than Milwaukee? Milwaukee was better last season and won the season series. Acquired Maggette, Gooden, CDR, Sanders, etc. The Bulls get Boozer and they are suppose to be better? NO F***IN WAY!
Sanders just got some treatment on his lower back
He grimaced in the first half after he did something but didn’t come out. Ready to check back in now.
Just don't see any room for him
Agree he’s good enough to make a roster though.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it's summer league
But he’s clearly a consistent 3pt shooter and has incredible athleticism which should translate to defense.
I would compare him to Delfino, but I’d say Delfino has a weight advantage that fairs well on his end as well as NBA experience.
Curious to see how Sanders does on the boards this year
He has a hard time holding his position down low…length and motor can’t make up for everything.
seriously not to labor the point....but Tiny plays like he just ate a full meal and was about to take a nap......
then someone told him he has to play a game of basketball……….needs some serious conditioning……not worried about his size….he struggling to get up and down the court
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
woah that was some terrible defending by Tiny
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I agree ILIKEBJ
Gallon looks lazy, unsure, and unmotivated. I have been watching all week and reserving comments. But I see no value in that guy, upside or not. he does not play like he is battling for a roster spot. I would take Williams over him.
Id feel alot better if we have KT on board for next season
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I triple the motion
Need his dirty work on the second unit.
yeah that was an eye opener........
I dont know if Id want Tiny or Sanders spending much time at C……..and just having a guy like KT as insurance is comforting……plus 10-15 mins of heads up D would be nice
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
cue chirping crickets
I hate the dog days of summer as a basketball fan.
by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
the Czar!!!!
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I had no idea there was a game today this early
I wouldn’t have been able to watch it anyway… But yay, we won a game! How did Tiny/Sanders look?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Nothing new really
Sanders got a bit jumper-happy late but overall had an efficient game. Less on the boards, but another three blocks. Tiny rebounded and blocked a couple shots but had his usual share of facepalm plays. Didn’t shoot many jumpers, though he utterly bricked a wide-open three.
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Just another day at the office, I see.
Everyone on the Bucks who played had a positive +/-… Not sure if that tells anything, but glad we could salvage a win out of summer league, even if it doesn’t mean a dang thing.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think with Tiny it comes down to conditioning
he looks woefully out of basketball shape
Sanders looks raw to be honest, but you can see what he could be and with his athleticism, length and attitude plus with the Bucks determination to get him into the rotation you figure he will come along
still both of them look a stretch to cover many minutes at back up C at the moment
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
It doesn't look like
Sanders actually can jump that high. His arms are just ridiculously long and he’s quick. Am I wrong? Did anybody see his combine vertical?
Tiny looked like he swallowed a small person whole
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Hmm, Darnell Jackson is missing...
You see where I’mgoing with this?
by Frank Madden on Jul 18, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
possibly :)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Skiles wasn't feeding Gallon properly I guess
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
either that or we just learnt you shouldnt stiff russian connected cab drivers in Miami
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Probably one of Prokhorov's Russian spies
He blackmailed the Bucks into giving them Jackson. He secretly knew that Frank wrote for BrewHoop so he made it sound like he was going to Miami as a smokescreen, knowing that he would write about it. See, it all makes sense now.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 18, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Imagine how much he has torn up the Las Vegas buffets.
They were probably crying mercy when they saw him walk in.
by Brick's house on Jul 18, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
he wore the sweat pants......allows for more stretch
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
not that we have roster spot but See Yue would be an interesting project as a 3rd pg
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Where was Frank going...?
Our FL remarked on Jackson not being present. He asked if we knew why he’d pointed that out. Possibilities include:
1. He’s not a rookie. The p-by-p announcer said there’s a SL practice that the more experienced players don’t play toward the end.
2. PaulPressey, a FL on RealGM, has been trying to sell the world a gtrade of Delfino & Jackson to bring Sessions back as back up PG.
Likely other possibilities too.
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