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JS: Bucks close to signing Keyon Dooling

Update: The Bucks have confirmed the signing.

The Journal-Sentinel is reporting that the Bucks are on the verge of signing former Nets combo guard Keyon Dooling to a two-year contract, thus filling the final major hole on the Bucks roster. I'd have to guess the deal would be for the full bi-annual exception ($2.08 million in 10/11, $2.25 million in 11/12), which is the most the Bucks could offer him outside of a sign-and-trade.

Dooling's neither young nor particularly good, but that's besides the point. Considering the Bucks' limited cap flexibility, the inflated free agent market, and the lack of quality backups still available, nabbing the 30-year-old Dooling on a cheap, short-term deal seems like something of a best case scenario for John Hammond and company. Granted, it's weird to type the words "Keyon Dooling" and "best case scenario" in the same sentence, but the Bucks weren't exactly in a good position when it came to adding backcourt depth. Seriously, take the list of backup PGs still on the market. Signing Dooling also seems to validate the Bucks' decision to let Luke Ridnour walk for the somewhat lengthy but not outrageous four year, $16 million deal he settled for with Minnesota. 

Dooling is a bigger and better defender than Ridnour while bringing comparable accuracy from three point range, the combination of which makes him a clean fit for a revamped Bucks team that last year relied heavily on Ridnour's uncharacteristically excellent perimeter shooting. There's no doubt Ridnour was the more productive player a year ago, but I doubt he'll repeat that level of productivity this year--much less over a four year contract. I won't claim Dooling will be the better player, but for half the price and half the length, there's also less downside.

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Great pickup by Hammond!!

I’m a lil surprised dooling would sign for the BAE – especially considering the $$$ tossed around this Summer – but I hope it’s true!

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

It feels good to say that about the Bucks, doesn't it?

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No roster spots anyway

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Not true.... isn't there 15 spots on a roster? Even if the Bucks keep Tiny, they'd still have a spot

BJ/Dooling
Salmons/CDR
Delfino/Maggette
Gooden/Ersan
Bogut/Sanders

Luc, Hobson, Tiny, Brockman = 14 [im not counting Redd]

And I think Tinys chances of making the team are 50/50, IMO.

I still think they’d like a 3rd C

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Redd counts I think

And I think Brockman is going to be the KT of this year

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roster size limits

According to the NBA Salary Cap FAQ:

What roster size limits exist? What is the Inactive List? What is Injured Reserve?

A team must have 12 players on its active roster, although they can drop to 11 for up to two weeks at a time. They must suit up at least eight players for every game. Any remaining players must be on its Inactive List, and are ineligible to play in games. A team must have a minimum of one and a maximum of three players on its Inactive List, although they can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and can temporarily have four with league approval in the event of a hardship. The composition of the Inactive List can change on a game-by-game basis — no less than 60 minutes prior to tipoff, the team must present to the official scorer a list of the players who will be active for that game. A player can be inactive for as little as one game. While individual teams are only required to carry 13 players (12 active and one inactive), the NBA also guarantees a league-wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet this obligation.

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool. thanks.

So they could park Redd on the inactive list, and still have 15 active players???

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

They can have up to 15 players, of whom twelve would be active for any given game.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 19, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What an amazing offseason.

Number of present day Bucks on the roster when John Hammond joined the Bucks on April 11th, 2008?

2.

Bogut and Redd.

What an outstanding job to take this roster and turn it into the exciting core we have today.

Who do you dislike on this team? A 19-Year-old PF/C? The times they are a-changin’

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, I don't think anyone here dislikes Tiny

Just thinks he needs some fleshing out. ;)

But yeah, It really is amazing. I remember at Hammond’s first press conference, where he said, “It’s not going to be easy. It’s going to be a lot of hard work.” Well, I guess all that hard work payed off. There’s still work to be done, John, don’t let up on us yet.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could I not see the obvious joke....

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody actually disliking Tiny is my point

Compared to the scrubs on the 2008 roster, this squad is loaded.

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was certainly better than that OTHER Dutchmen

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can think of a few people who don't like Tiny

They say “I like Tiny, it’s just that I don’t like his game.” I don’t dislike those commenters either, its just I don’t like their comments.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 19, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow....

that really puts it into perspective how great of a job Hammond has done. That roster from 2007-08 was CRAPTASTIC and our current roster is one that can compete.

Hats off to Hammond!!!

"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling

by Dow Jones on Jul 19, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good signing

Dooling is a below average playmaker/game manager. Erratic, not dependable, horrendous record as a decision maker under pressure situations. His reliable offensive move is driving left on a pick’n’roll and finishing the play with a midrange jumper.

But he’s a much better defender than Ridnour (I really like his defensive ability) and he’s become a good spot up jump-shooter.

He’s a scoring combo guard, not a point-guard like Ridnour, but I think the Bucks can use a player like that backing up Jennings.

by Joana on Jul 19, 2010 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

good post

I like the balance – a back up is going to be a guy with pluses and minuses. The Bucks are going to share the ball, don’t need the back up OG to do all of that. Plus Maggette and Salmons can create offense in the 2nd unit. They can balance Dooling’s less than stellar playmaking.

Think his defense will be very useful. As well as making the spot up jumper.

I’m pleased.
 
 

by unklchuk on Jul 19, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like he should be in a lot of pressure situations anyway

Jennings will be on the floor when it matters

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what always happens when you analyze teams, for me

You spend so much time doing it… And then in the end, you realize that someone might get injured.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They still don't have a clear-cut backup to Bogut....

What happens when Bogut & Gooden are in foul trouble?

Maybe Sanders, but it seems he’s much more of a 4, atleast at his current weight.

Maybe they move Ersan/Luc for a legit backup C??? It would certainly help balance out the roster, too.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Brockman can give you some minutes

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats waht I was saying

He’s this years KT

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not the 2nd centre

Gooden probably is

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

As of now, I’d say

Bogut
Gooden
Ilyasova
Sanders

in the rotation

followed by Brockman as the 5th big filling minutes
and Gallon as the 6th big/project

by Joana on Jul 19, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiny and Hobson

Might be looking at some inactives for a while

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

They might want to consider starting Ersan or Sanders and letting Gooden come in off the bench, b/c otherwise they don’t have reliable back-up C.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 19, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dooling Career Stats

7.2 ppg 2.2 apg 1.4 rpg 1.1 tpg 41.8 FG % 35.1 TFG% 79.8 FT% in 19.6 mpg

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd rather see them move Luc than Ersan....

As much as I like Luc’s D – a good stretch 4 like Ersan would be more valuable than a offensively-challenged tweener like Luc, IMO.

Skiles system seems to focus more on team D, and most of the current Bucks are atleast average defenders, anyways.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm OK with losing with regret Ersan and/or Carlos...

But doing so for the level of back up C they’d bring – or that would be on the market – doesn’t excite. UNLESS Bogut’s health is suspect. Then back up C is a high priority.

by unklchuk on Jul 19, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Skiles has his work cut out for him in splitting up the minutes

Our versatility really speaks for itself.

And I would hate to lose Ersan- Take Prince instead if you must take one of them.

If either one becomes a superstar after/if we trade them, then I will happily use Gooden as a scapegoat. What do you mean it would be Hammond’’s fault…?

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Might be Delfino

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hammond is in a strange spot regarding the PF/C position.

He basically has 5 PFs…. Gooden, Sanders, Ersan, Luc, Brockman…. and one C.

I know Gooden, Brockman, and maybe Sanders can play some min at C, but….

Gooden has also mentioned that he prefers to play PF, and wasn’t crazy about playing C in Dallas – he even pointed out how much better his numbers are when playing next to a legit C [in CLE & LAC]

I’m just sayin it’s possible JH moves Luc/Ersan for a C – balancing out the roster, and ensuring that Sanders sees regular PT at the 4, his more natural position.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

But then Sanders and Gooden

Never hit the floor at the same time…So if Sanders earns the burn Gooden is a bench warmer. And as unklchuk mentioned you won’t get much of back-up centre for cheap. Miller was 3 years 15m.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just jazzed they got a decent backup PG!!

And for a fraction of what Ridnour would’ve cost : )

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

ah, P90X bot, you are so right...

…but the Tiny Gallon thread is one door over.

by theghostdog on Jul 19, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Very few teams

Have a backup center good enough to force you to defend him with a pure center. It’s basically the Lakers, that can rotate Gasol/Bynum,

Anyway, the best backup center still not signed may be Kurt Thomas, no? Am I missing someone?

Right now, the big man minutes are filled. If the Bucks sign, say, Thomas, then someone needs to go, probably Ersan. But then again, that would leave them without a big who can drift to the perimeter. I prefer the rotation as it is, there’s more balance.

Trading one of LRMAM/Delfino/Ersan for a backup center doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. Not seeing one who may be worth it. I’d rather keep those contracts and then be able to build a nice package around Redd’s expiring later on.

by Joana on Jul 19, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I hear ya... I'm just playing Devil's advocate ; )

Like I said… I wouldn’t trade Ersan/Luc unless you’re really getting something nice in return.

It appears Milw will be content rotating guys behind Bogut…. but I personally feel Goodens talents are best used at PF… and hope that he spends the majority of his mpg at the 4.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

pl0x is better

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nooo!! : )

I’m really not wanting to trade Ersan as much as it seems… I just think if JH deals a big, Ersan would get the most in return – given his age, size, and skill-se

I really like Ersan, and before we signed Gooden, I was lobbying for Ersan to be the starting PF.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me to see Chicago or some other team w/ cap room overpay for KT

If Brad Miller got 3yrs 15mil – I’d think KT could fetch more than 1mil this year, which I think is around all we have left for a FA?

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Well we got nothing left really

No roster spots.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And plus Brockmans salary

Will be more tha Jacksons

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dooling’s neither young nor particularly good, but that’s besides the point.

Now that’s comedy!

All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games

by Belize on Jul 19, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I am assuming that if

Someone goes to D-League they are still a roster spot is that correct?

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry I worded that wrong

They are still part of your 15 players though, right? I can’t add another player because I send someone to D-League.

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is Dooling as a defender???

He has good offensive numbers and respectable apg, but I’m not hip to his defense.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

he has some competitive instincts and can be a scrappy defender....so he can mix it up well enough

anyway he is a far better defender than Ridnour

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 19, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Nets allowed 5.6 points less when Dooling was on the floor last year...

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 107.4 113.0 -5.6

Granted they are the Nets and set the bar really poorly atleast he showed himself to give effort on the defensive end…

by Superelkman on Jul 19, 2010 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Hollinger's scouting report
Dooling has been a ‘tweener his whole career, though we now use the more gentle term “combo guard.” He’s very good pressuring the ball as a point guard and his size makes him a strong defender at that position in the halfcourt, but offensively his shoot-first mentality and a tendency to palm the ball have often gotten him in trouble. However, as a shooting guard, he hasn’t had a reliable outside stroke until last season, and he gives up inches in most match-ups. While he’s very good chasing players through screens, his overall body of defensive work last season wasn’t anywhere near his previous high standard.

On the plus side, he’s been an effective combo guard off the bench the past two seasons, and offensively he’s improved quite a bit. He still likes to go one-on-one and shoot pull-up Js going to his left, which is a poor choice as percentage moves go. But he’s cut the proportion of long 2s in his shot mix from more than a third of his attempts his first two seasons in Orlando to just 21 percent last season.

by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Palming the ball

Is that like a crab dribble?

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salmons was once a ball palmer

I remember the horror stories from Bulls/Kings fans who claimed Salmons was a “ball-stopper” on offense. I hope Salmons keeps up his stellar play as a Buck.

Keyon Dooling’s play will be less important, but he will benefit from being on a great defensive team.

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully the injury issues he had last season are all cleared up.....

as when he is fit he is a nice guy to bring off the bench

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, Hammond has filled so many holes this off-season, we may run out of things to discuss.

We spent weeks worrying about the backup point, and he went out and got Dooling. We fretted over getting a mauler for the team, and he got one in Brockman.

The only worry left is backup center, which can be covered by the swiss army knife like options at power forward on the team as long as Bogut is healthy.

by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

We can discuss who gets burn and where

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I can take the rest of the summer off

Only thing left is for Big Crazy Dave to make us some Brock Ness Monster / Brockimus Prime photoshops :)

by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I vote for Brocktimus Prime

Brockness monster doesn’t seem as intimidating on the court as it does in the water.

by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can fill the BC with water, no prob.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both sound very interesting...

…tho I agree with Brick that Brocktimus Prime is far more intimidating…and also more of a superhero name! Will see what I can do ;)

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still prefer Brockness monster

And that is what I shall call him…

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Brocktimus Prime.....but I did grow up with the original Transformers....yikes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZPFK-Pivk

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 21, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking today to do just plain ol' Brocktimus...

…and doing a ‘Russell Crowe – Gladiator (Maximus)’ takeoff. Thoughts?
Will probably do all three anyway…just for fun!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which he makes

Without using photoshop. Not many people can make Photoshops without using Photoshop. ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Only problem for me is that BIG CRAZY Dave is only a single Prozac away from HUGE INSANE Dave….sigh! I need to get to the pharmacy!!!!!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

"as long as Bogut is healthy."

Any updates regarding the most important elbow associated with the Milwaukee Bucks?

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tweet from the big man himself:

Had a great swim in the beach after a couple km run.Arm feeling better. treatment 2mo then furniture arrives for apartment! Beach is 26 Deg. about 7 hours ago via web

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

profound.... :) thankgoodness for twitter

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done? Not likely.

1. There’s still the Redd contract, if something is offered that Hammond & Kohl like. By the trade deadline.

2. We have so much depth now that Hammond is free to pursue those situations where the trade partner has stuff in mind beyond getting more talent than they give. With so many possible pieces to offer, he’s likely to find a way to make our team even better. I don’t think he ever rests from doing that. He’s not in the situation to make Big Blockbuster trades (unless the Redd thing blossoms) but his way is to make a whole series of incremental trades, which in sum accomplish much of the same thing. And which fit the Milwaukee situation very well.

3. Delfino and Ersan were important to this team last season. But the talent infusion threatens to give them smaller roles. Delfino has said he needs minutes to play well. If his minutes are halved, he may not contribute much at all. Ersan seems a great fit in the city of Milwaukee, but not a great fit at PF. But his positives are attractive, and he probably has trade value.

So I’d say the odds of the roster being largely set aren’t high…

by unklchuk on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on most counts

not sure about this


Ersan seems a great fit in the city of Milwaukee, but not a great fit at PF

Why so?

by Joana on Jul 20, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paul Mokeski Redux

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by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Oof

Completely random (This is still Brewhoop, right?), but that picture of Dooling reminds me just how much I dislike the new Nets Jerseys. Their old ones were much better.

Okay I’m done.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

don't worry

they’ll change soon enough

by handheld on Jul 19, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cha ching!

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their ABA jerseys were awesome

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 19, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I walked away for a few hours

and we get two new players? sup gang ….Am I missing something here, or do I smell a 2 for 1 trade in the air. It seems we have too many “potential contributors”

by tommyr on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I know how you feel.

I go away to a funeral for 48 hours and the whole roster has completely changed…not to mention the 500 or so posts I have to get through before i have all the info…!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point

I’m OK with that—it’s not like the 3rd PG even plays unless someone else is hurt (knock on wood).

by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

A-la Roko Ukic...

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hammonds is pretty genius I must admit.......

he has added a ton of depth, and talent and the only thing he has given up is Luke Ridnour………..plus he has a ton of very attractive assets to further deal with should he choose….briliiant

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Luc is the odd man out...

Regardless if Gooden sees a lot of time at C, Ersan and Sanders will back him up at PF. Luc is an excellent defender & good rebounder, but also a tweener w/ no offense – and I just don’t see him getting a lot of mpg w/ the current depth at the 4.

I think if you can get a first round pick for him, you make the deal…. especially if it’s with a team that has a good chance of ending up in the lottery.

by victor s on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

cant see the bucks moving him....

they value his lockdown defensive ability too much and guys like that are always valuable……sure he will have to fight for his minutes but that means the team is improving depth wise which isnt a bad thing

I think we are pretty stocked and if we hang onto guys like Delfino, Ersan and Luc it will be a benefit…. of course if a great deal comes along you have to look at it but otherwise I hope we go with what we have currently

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll get minutes at the 3

especially in the long term. Delfino has another unguaranteed year at most. Once he’s off the books will they re-sign him? I know thats 2 years out, but thats also 2 years to develop a J for LRMAM. SF’s don’t have to hit 3’s especially when they are the D specialist across so many positions.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I worry about breaking chemistry if we trade too many of them

We have now surrounded those guys with definate talent; we might need to see what shakes out. We have a good thing going in the locker room with these guys; I don’t want to mess that up too much.

by tommyr on Jul 20, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah agree these guys are talented, work hard and great guys in the locker.....

it will be interesting to see if that chemistry is maintained with fewer minutes and new personalities on the team…..

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like the Bulls got their backup point as well.

According to Mark Stein, they got C.J. Watson in a S & T for a 2nd round pick from the Warriors.

by Brick's house on Jul 20, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

yes the bulls didnt get the big names......

but quietly they have had a very good offseason……..Boozer, Korver, Brewer, CJ Watson thats nice

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off the top of my head...

I’d say Heat (by a mile) had the best offseason, followed by Bulls and Bucks.

by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

not impressed by T'Wovles then

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

NYC had a decent offseason...

and im not basing that on Amare… i think he is overrated and will get injured… but all the pieces they got for David Lee was a really good coup for them and gives them flexibilty to offer those young pieces plus 1sts for another star to pair next to Stat…

by Superelkman on Jul 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The pace of change...

…on this roster can be “intimidating.” For fans. There’s a tendency to think, wow, we’ve done enough. Time to consolidate and see what we have. The Bucks may do that too, but only if other attractive deals stop presenting themselves. Otherwise Mr. Hammond is relentless.

A few months back he alluded to this. Said the chemistry in last year’s squad was as good or better than what could have been hoped for. Said it might have been nice to hold on to that by keeping the same people, but that it didn’t work that way. You have to keep getting better. Changes would have to be made. He hoped the new squad would be able to build that same good chemistry. Said chemistry comes with no guarantee. A team does its best to put the right players/pieces together, in the right way, and then hopes for the best. An inexact science.

My feel is that the new guys seem to have high potential for building a team greater than the sum of the parts. They seem to share a competitive tenacity. Their approaches differ, but they all seem to take the game seriously.

The are also more athletic, and decidedly tougher. I think Skiles relishes that. Last season finesse was our strong suit. Can’t wait to see how the new “look” plays on the court.

by unklchuk on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent points unklchuk

Hammonds also knows that, with the exact same squad as last season, there was a chance of some regression. Well, he made sure that wouldn’t happen, or at least he hopes it will not. On the roster prior to these moves, only one or two players have not hit their ceilings: Jennings and Ersan. Bogut might also be in that list, but his 2009-2010 probably represents something close to his peak performace. To help Bogut become even better, Hammonds realized that adding some athletes (Sanders and Maggette), stability (Gooden), and brawn (Brockman). Bogut could flourish even more. Remember also that with his propensity to get injured, Bogut will probably get more rest next season – what with having a more talentd and capable supporting cast.

by tommyr on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

John "Don't call me Hammonds" Hammond.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

As someone who's last name is frequently misspelled,

I would say he does….

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kind of see tammy's point...

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 20, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is funny how much Hammond's name is misspelled

I wonder if his name was Hammonds, would some people call him Hammond?

Btw, did anyone notice when one of the ex-players doing color commentary in Vegas referred to him as “Tom Hammonds,” ie the former Nuggets PF?

by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

woah Tom Hammonds......

always had a soft spot for Denver F’s McDyess, Laphonso Ellis, Hammonds

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Jon Hamhand

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 20, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The potential needs to be really high now tho, like young starter high. A better SG than Salmons? A better SF than Delfino or Maggette? A better PF than Gooden? or a back-up C or PG so good that if one of them go down the Bucks wouldn’t miss a beat. Makes for a really short list.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

JaVale McGee was invited to play for Team USA based on his summer league play. WOW! That kid is going to get inspired! Seriously has my pre-season vote for MIP.

by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

wait for it the comedown will be hard with McGee ;)

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

theres a difference between beating up summer league scrubs.......

and bringing that intensity 82 games against the big boys

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not *exactly* Team USA

A bunch of young, not-so-accomplished guys like Robin Lopez, D.J. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Korver and Ronnie Brewer were also invited.

But I do like McGee—every time I see him play he does one or two things where you’re like “WHOA”…always surprises me that he hasn’t been able to get more regular minutes given the Wizards have sucked.

by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

More like Team *Third String + a Coupla Ringers cos Everyone We Wanted Said No* USA?

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

guess its better to have guys that are interested in playing and are hungry for the chance

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the end...

…I’m happy to see Team USA down to the dregs…Boomers might stand a chance, even without Bogut (insert wishful thinking here).

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

More chance than us, We're ranked 19th in the world

Since Leo Rautins kicked Dalembert off the team, Nash hasn’t played for years, we’re down to Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony as far as NBA players go. 6-2 lifetime against Aussies, 1-19 against our friends to the south.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Jefferson resigning wit

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoops

He’s resigning with the spurs… For less money then he would have got with a simple extension LOL

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Er... Had he not opted out, I mean

Geez, whats wrong with me today…

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

whats the deal like? one of the strangest moves of the summer really

hard to know what that was all about

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he wanted some job security instead of just one expensive year for the team.

He’s made a ton of money already and it seems to me like he wants SA to be able to add some depth for a championship run.
Also he gets a long(ish) deal before the CBA expires and the new one potentially limiting the money and years he could get.

by Ezrap97 on Jul 22, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

certainly played out like that.....im amazed SA re-upped at that cost.....

it seemed Jefferson never found a niche with SA and Popovich wasnt exactly complimentary very strange

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 23, 2010 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question for Frank

Have you updated that lovely google doc of the Bucks roster?

Going with Dooling at the BAE and Brockman with $1.5 per season? I like looking at progress in numbers form.

by handheld on Jul 20, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Travis Diener........so many hopes and dreams dashed

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 20, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that who's in your picture ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dooling>Deiner

IMHO more experience, more consistency.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

By far

Diener is a third stringer or at the most a backup on a bad team.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will be missed.

…All 400 + comments of it

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Speedingtime on Jul 22, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lest we forget...

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

it had a good run......an injury or trade and it could still have legs....

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 22, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  


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