JS: Bucks close to signing Keyon Dooling
Update: The Bucks have confirmed the signing.
The Journal-Sentinel is reporting that the Bucks are on the verge of signing former Nets combo guard Keyon Dooling to a two-year contract, thus filling the final major hole on the Bucks roster. I'd have to guess the deal would be for the full bi-annual exception ($2.08 million in 10/11, $2.25 million in 11/12), which is the most the Bucks could offer him outside of a sign-and-trade.
Dooling's neither young nor particularly good, but that's besides the point. Considering the Bucks' limited cap flexibility, the inflated free agent market, and the lack of quality backups still available, nabbing the 30-year-old Dooling on a cheap, short-term deal seems like something of a best case scenario for John Hammond and company. Granted, it's weird to type the words "Keyon Dooling" and "best case scenario" in the same sentence, but the Bucks weren't exactly in a good position when it came to adding backcourt depth. Seriously, take the list of backup PGs still on the market. Signing Dooling also seems to validate the Bucks' decision to let Luke Ridnour walk for the somewhat lengthy but not outrageous four year, $16 million deal he settled for with Minnesota.
Dooling is a bigger and better defender than Ridnour while bringing comparable accuracy from three point range, the combination of which makes him a clean fit for a revamped Bucks team that last year relied heavily on Ridnour's uncharacteristically excellent perimeter shooting. There's no doubt Ridnour was the more productive player a year ago, but I doubt he'll repeat that level of productivity this year--much less over a four year contract. I won't claim Dooling will be the better player, but for half the price and half the length, there's also less downside.
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Great pickup by Hammond!!
I’m a lil surprised dooling would sign for the BAE – especially considering the $$$ tossed around this Summer – but I hope it’s true!
Gotta be about contributing to a winning team
MKE might be his best chance to really play
It feels good to say that about the Bucks, doesn't it?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true.... isn't there 15 spots on a roster? Even if the Bucks keep Tiny, they'd still have a spot
BJ/Dooling
Salmons/CDR
Delfino/Maggette
Gooden/Ersan
Bogut/Sanders
Luc, Hobson, Tiny, Brockman = 14 [im not counting Redd]
And I think Tinys chances of making the team are 50/50, IMO.
I still think they’d like a 3rd C
Redd counts I think
And I think Brockman is going to be the KT of this year
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I really like the Brockman deal... and he's only a kid, so he's gonna get better
Didn’t Bill Russell say 90% of rebounds are brabbed below the rim??? Brockman may become DeJuan Blair-esque
Roster size limits
According to the NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
What roster size limits exist? What is the Inactive List? What is Injured Reserve?
A team must have 12 players on its active roster, although they can drop to 11 for up to two weeks at a time. They must suit up at least eight players for every game. Any remaining players must be on its Inactive List, and are ineligible to play in games. A team must have a minimum of one and a maximum of three players on its Inactive List, although they can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and can temporarily have four with league approval in the event of a hardship. The composition of the Inactive List can change on a game-by-game basis — no less than 60 minutes prior to tipoff, the team must present to the official scorer a list of the players who will be active for that game. A player can be inactive for as little as one game. While individual teams are only required to carry 13 players (12 active and one inactive), the NBA also guarantees a league-wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet this obligation.
Cool. thanks.
So they could park Redd on the inactive list, and still have 15 active players???
No
They can have up to 15 players, of whom twelve would be active for any given game.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
What an amazing offseason.
Number of present day Bucks on the roster when John Hammond joined the Bucks on April 11th, 2008?
2.
Bogut and Redd.
What an outstanding job to take this roster and turn it into the exciting core we have today.
Who do you dislike on this team? A 19-Year-old PF/C? The times they are a-changin’
Hey, I don't think anyone here dislikes Tiny
Just thinks he needs some fleshing out. ;)
But yeah, It really is amazing. I remember at Hammond’s first press conference, where he said, “It’s not going to be easy. It’s going to be a lot of hard work.” Well, I guess all that hard work payed off. There’s still work to be done, John, don’t let up on us yet.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
he has plenty of flesh, what are you talking about?
by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
How could I not see the obvious joke....
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody actually disliking Tiny is my point
Compared to the scrubs on the 2008 roster, this squad is loaded.
Yup.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about the rest of you, But I loved the Fizzling dutchmen...
Oh Francisco Elson, why have you foresaken me?
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He was certainly better than that OTHER Dutchmen
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I can think of a few people who don't like Tiny
They say “I like Tiny, it’s just that I don’t like his game.” I don’t dislike those commenters either, its just I don’t like their comments.
Wow....
that really puts it into perspective how great of a job Hammond has done. That roster from 2007-08 was CRAPTASTIC and our current roster is one that can compete.
Hats off to Hammond!!!
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Good signing
Dooling is a below average playmaker/game manager. Erratic, not dependable, horrendous record as a decision maker under pressure situations. His reliable offensive move is driving left on a pick’n’roll and finishing the play with a midrange jumper.
But he’s a much better defender than Ridnour (I really like his defensive ability) and he’s become a good spot up jump-shooter.
He’s a scoring combo guard, not a point-guard like Ridnour, but I think the Bucks can use a player like that backing up Jennings.
good post
I like the balance – a back up is going to be a guy with pluses and minuses. The Bucks are going to share the ball, don’t need the back up OG to do all of that. Plus Maggette and Salmons can create offense in the 2nd unit. They can balance Dooling’s less than stellar playmaking.
Think his defense will be very useful. As well as making the spot up jumper.
I’m pleased.
It's not like he should be in a lot of pressure situations anyway
Jennings will be on the floor when it matters
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
As long as he's healthy
</reverse jinx>
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what always happens when you analyze teams, for me
You spend so much time doing it… And then in the end, you realize that someone might get injured.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
They still don't have a clear-cut backup to Bogut....
What happens when Bogut & Gooden are in foul trouble?
Maybe Sanders, but it seems he’s much more of a 4, atleast at his current weight.
Maybe they move Ersan/Luc for a legit backup C??? It would certainly help balance out the roster, too.
Brockman can give you some minutes
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe... but I wouldn't consider Brockman a legit #2 C on most teams
I think he’d be great as the 3rd PF/C…..
I agree
As of now, I’d say
Bogut
Gooden
Ilyasova
Sanders
in the rotation
followed by Brockman as the 5th big filling minutes
and Gallon as the 6th big/project
Tiny and Hobson
Might be looking at some inactives for a while
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I think
They might want to consider starting Ersan or Sanders and letting Gooden come in off the bench, b/c otherwise they don’t have reliable back-up C.
Dooling Career Stats
7.2 ppg 2.2 apg 1.4 rpg 1.1 tpg 41.8 FG % 35.1 TFG% 79.8 FT% in 19.6 mpg
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I'd rather see them move Luc than Ersan....
As much as I like Luc’s D – a good stretch 4 like Ersan would be more valuable than a offensively-challenged tweener like Luc, IMO.
Skiles system seems to focus more on team D, and most of the current Bucks are atleast average defenders, anyways.
I'm OK with losing with regret Ersan and/or Carlos...
But doing so for the level of back up C they’d bring – or that would be on the market – doesn’t excite. UNLESS Bogut’s health is suspect. Then back up C is a high priority.
Skiles has his work cut out for him in splitting up the minutes
Our versatility really speaks for itself.
And I would hate to lose Ersan- Take Prince instead if you must take one of them.
If either one becomes a superstar after/if we trade them, then I will happily use Gooden as a scapegoat. What do you mean it would be Hammond’’s fault…?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Hammond is in a strange spot regarding the PF/C position.
He basically has 5 PFs…. Gooden, Sanders, Ersan, Luc, Brockman…. and one C.
I know Gooden, Brockman, and maybe Sanders can play some min at C, but….
Gooden has also mentioned that he prefers to play PF, and wasn’t crazy about playing C in Dallas – he even pointed out how much better his numbers are when playing next to a legit C [in CLE & LAC]
I’m just sayin it’s possible JH moves Luc/Ersan for a C – balancing out the roster, and ensuring that Sanders sees regular PT at the 4, his more natural position.
But then Sanders and Gooden
Never hit the floor at the same time…So if Sanders earns the burn Gooden is a bench warmer. And as unklchuk mentioned you won’t get much of back-up centre for cheap. Miller was 3 years 15m.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I'm just jazzed they got a decent backup PG!!
And for a fraction of what Ridnour would’ve cost : )
ah, P90X bot, you are so right...
…but the Tiny Gallon thread is one door over.
Very few teams
Have a backup center good enough to force you to defend him with a pure center. It’s basically the Lakers, that can rotate Gasol/Bynum,
Anyway, the best backup center still not signed may be Kurt Thomas, no? Am I missing someone?
Right now, the big man minutes are filled. If the Bucks sign, say, Thomas, then someone needs to go, probably Ersan. But then again, that would leave them without a big who can drift to the perimeter. I prefer the rotation as it is, there’s more balance.
Trading one of LRMAM/Delfino/Ersan for a backup center doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. Not seeing one who may be worth it. I’d rather keep those contracts and then be able to build a nice package around Redd’s expiring later on.
I hear ya... I'm just playing Devil's advocate ; )
Like I said… I wouldn’t trade Ersan/Luc unless you’re really getting something nice in return.
It appears Milw will be content rotating guys behind Bogut…. but I personally feel Goodens talents are best used at PF… and hope that he spends the majority of his mpg at the 4.
Nooo!! : )
I’m really not wanting to trade Ersan as much as it seems… I just think if JH deals a big, Ersan would get the most in return – given his age, size, and skill-se
I really like Ersan, and before we signed Gooden, I was lobbying for Ersan to be the starting PF.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Chicago or some other team w/ cap room overpay for KT
If Brad Miller got 3yrs 15mil – I’d think KT could fetch more than 1mil this year, which I think is around all we have left for a FA?
And plus Brockmans salary
Will be more tha Jacksons
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Dooling’s neither young nor particularly good, but that’s besides the point.
Now that’s comedy!
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I thought it was brilliant.....there I was thinking Dooling was a handy pick up then....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I am assuming that if
Someone goes to D-League they are still a roster spot is that correct?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Sorry I worded that wrong
They are still part of your 15 players though, right? I can’t add another player because I send someone to D-League.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Correct
D-League assignees are automatically one of your three inactives.
by richardhkirkando on Jul 19, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Dooling as a defender???
He has good offensive numbers and respectable apg, but I’m not hip to his defense.
he has some competitive instincts and can be a scrappy defender....so he can mix it up well enough
anyway he is a far better defender than Ridnour
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
The Nets allowed 5.6 points less when Dooling was on the floor last year...
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 107.4 113.0 -5.6
Granted they are the Nets and set the bar really poorly atleast he showed himself to give effort on the defensive end…
Hollinger's scouting report
Dooling has been a ‘tweener his whole career, though we now use the more gentle term “combo guard.” He’s very good pressuring the ball as a point guard and his size makes him a strong defender at that position in the halfcourt, but offensively his shoot-first mentality and a tendency to palm the ball have often gotten him in trouble. However, as a shooting guard, he hasn’t had a reliable outside stroke until last season, and he gives up inches in most match-ups. While he’s very good chasing players through screens, his overall body of defensive work last season wasn’t anywhere near his previous high standard.
On the plus side, he’s been an effective combo guard off the bench the past two seasons, and offensively he’s improved quite a bit. He still likes to go one-on-one and shoot pull-up Js going to his left, which is a poor choice as percentage moves go. But he’s cut the proportion of long 2s in his shot mix from more than a third of his attempts his first two seasons in Orlando to just 21 percent last season.
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Salmons was once a ball palmer
I remember the horror stories from Bulls/Kings fans who claimed Salmons was a “ball-stopper” on offense. I hope Salmons keeps up his stellar play as a Buck.
Keyon Dooling’s play will be less important, but he will benefit from being on a great defensive team.
hopefully the injury issues he had last season are all cleared up.....
as when he is fit he is a nice guy to bring off the bench
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
So, Hammond has filled so many holes this off-season, we may run out of things to discuss.
We spent weeks worrying about the backup point, and he went out and got Dooling. We fretted over getting a mauler for the team, and he got one in Brockman.
The only worry left is backup center, which can be covered by the swiss army knife like options at power forward on the team as long as Bogut is healthy.
I guess I can take the rest of the summer off
Only thing left is for Big Crazy Dave to make us some Brock Ness Monster / Brockimus Prime photoshops :)
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I vote for Brocktimus Prime
Brockness monster doesn’t seem as intimidating on the court as it does in the water.
by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We can fill the BC with water, no prob.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Both sound very interesting...
…tho I agree with Brick that Brocktimus Prime is far more intimidating…and also more of a superhero name! Will see what I can do ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I still prefer Brockness monster
And that is what I shall call him…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Brocktimus Prime.....but I did grow up with the original Transformers....yikes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZPFK-Pivk
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I was thinking today to do just plain ol' Brocktimus...
…and doing a ‘Russell Crowe – Gladiator (Maximus)’ takeoff. Thoughts?
Will probably do all three anyway…just for fun!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Which he makes
Without using photoshop. Not many people can make Photoshops without using Photoshop. ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why he's BIG CRAZY Dave
And not Regular Dave
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah!
Only problem for me is that BIG CRAZY Dave is only a single Prozac away from HUGE INSANE Dave….sigh! I need to get to the pharmacy!!!!!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"as long as Bogut is healthy."
Any updates regarding the most important elbow associated with the Milwaukee Bucks?
Tweet from the big man himself:
Had a great swim in the beach after a couple km run.Arm feeling better. treatment 2mo then furniture arrives for apartment! Beach is 26 Deg. about 7 hours ago via web
profound.... :) thankgoodness for twitter
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Do y'all really think Hammond is done dealing???
He still has some chips to play with ; )
Of course, who would have anticipated he would make a move for Brockman.
by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well some of us had decided
We needed that 6 foul guy
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
and if you are going to have a six foul guy,
might as well be a guy who can foul hard.
by Brick's house on Jul 19, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Done? Not likely.
1. There’s still the Redd contract, if something is offered that Hammond & Kohl like. By the trade deadline.
2. We have so much depth now that Hammond is free to pursue those situations where the trade partner has stuff in mind beyond getting more talent than they give. With so many possible pieces to offer, he’s likely to find a way to make our team even better. I don’t think he ever rests from doing that. He’s not in the situation to make Big Blockbuster trades (unless the Redd thing blossoms) but his way is to make a whole series of incremental trades, which in sum accomplish much of the same thing. And which fit the Milwaukee situation very well.
3. Delfino and Ersan were important to this team last season. But the talent infusion threatens to give them smaller roles. Delfino has said he needs minutes to play well. If his minutes are halved, he may not contribute much at all. Ersan seems a great fit in the city of Milwaukee, but not a great fit at PF. But his positives are attractive, and he probably has trade value.
So I’d say the odds of the roster being largely set aren’t high…
Agreed on most counts
not sure about this
Ersan seems a great fit in the city of Milwaukee, but not a great fit at PF
Why so?
I'm still pissed we didn't get to see Hobson in SL....
Has anyone heard anything on him?
Are you referring to the injury?
I haven’t heard anything to suggest it’s serious.
by Frank Madden on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oof
Completely random (This is still Brewhoop, right?), but that picture of Dooling reminds me just how much I dislike the new Nets Jerseys. Their old ones were much better.
Okay I’m done.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Cha ching!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 19, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I walked away for a few hours
and we get two new players? sup gang ….Am I missing something here, or do I smell a 2 for 1 trade in the air. It seems we have too many “potential contributors”
I know how you feel.
I go away to a funeral for 48 hours and the whole roster has completely changed…not to mention the 500 or so posts I have to get through before i have all the info…!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking, Tommy
But I’m catching a lil flack for it ; )
My thought is this: It's still only July
And John Hammonds want to upstage Doug Melvin at the MLB trade deadline. ;)
Doug Melvin prays to a statue of John Hammonds when he goes to bed.
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 20, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point
I’m OK with that—it’s not like the 3rd PG even plays unless someone else is hurt (knock on wood).
by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
A-la Roko Ukic...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hammonds is pretty genius I must admit.......
he has added a ton of depth, and talent and the only thing he has given up is Luke Ridnour………..plus he has a ton of very attractive assets to further deal with should he choose….briliiant
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I think Luc is the odd man out...
Regardless if Gooden sees a lot of time at C, Ersan and Sanders will back him up at PF. Luc is an excellent defender & good rebounder, but also a tweener w/ no offense – and I just don’t see him getting a lot of mpg w/ the current depth at the 4.
I think if you can get a first round pick for him, you make the deal…. especially if it’s with a team that has a good chance of ending up in the lottery.
cant see the bucks moving him....
they value his lockdown defensive ability too much and guys like that are always valuable……sure he will have to fight for his minutes but that means the team is improving depth wise which isnt a bad thing
I think we are pretty stocked and if we hang onto guys like Delfino, Ersan and Luc it will be a benefit…. of course if a great deal comes along you have to look at it but otherwise I hope we go with what we have currently
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
He'll get minutes at the 3
especially in the long term. Delfino has another unguaranteed year at most. Once he’s off the books will they re-sign him? I know thats 2 years out, but thats also 2 years to develop a J for LRMAM. SF’s don’t have to hit 3’s especially when they are the D specialist across so many positions.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly want them to start LRMAM or Sanders
LRMAM at 3 or Sanders at 4.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I worry about breaking chemistry if we trade too many of them
We have now surrounded those guys with definate talent; we might need to see what shakes out. We have a good thing going in the locker room with these guys; I don’t want to mess that up too much.
yeah agree these guys are talented, work hard and great guys in the locker.....
it will be interesting to see if that chemistry is maintained with fewer minutes and new personalities on the team…..
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Looks like the Bulls got their backup point as well.
According to Mark Stein, they got C.J. Watson in a S & T for a 2nd round pick from the Warriors.
yes the bulls didnt get the big names......
but quietly they have had a very good offseason……..Boozer, Korver, Brewer, CJ Watson thats nice
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Off the top of my head...
I’d say Heat (by a mile) had the best offseason, followed by Bulls and Bucks.
by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
not impressed by T'Wovles then
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
NYC had a decent offseason...
and im not basing that on Amare… i think he is overrated and will get injured… but all the pieces they got for David Lee was a really good coup for them and gives them flexibilty to offer those young pieces plus 1sts for another star to pair next to Stat…
by Superelkman on Jul 24, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The pace of change...
…on this roster can be “intimidating.” For fans. There’s a tendency to think, wow, we’ve done enough. Time to consolidate and see what we have. The Bucks may do that too, but only if other attractive deals stop presenting themselves. Otherwise Mr. Hammond is relentless.
A few months back he alluded to this. Said the chemistry in last year’s squad was as good or better than what could have been hoped for. Said it might have been nice to hold on to that by keeping the same people, but that it didn’t work that way. You have to keep getting better. Changes would have to be made. He hoped the new squad would be able to build that same good chemistry. Said chemistry comes with no guarantee. A team does its best to put the right players/pieces together, in the right way, and then hopes for the best. An inexact science.
My feel is that the new guys seem to have high potential for building a team greater than the sum of the parts. They seem to share a competitive tenacity. Their approaches differ, but they all seem to take the game seriously.
The are also more athletic, and decidedly tougher. I think Skiles relishes that. Last season finesse was our strong suit. Can’t wait to see how the new “look” plays on the court.
Excellent points unklchuk
Hammonds also knows that, with the exact same squad as last season, there was a chance of some regression. Well, he made sure that wouldn’t happen, or at least he hopes it will not. On the roster prior to these moves, only one or two players have not hit their ceilings: Jennings and Ersan. Bogut might also be in that list, but his 2009-2010 probably represents something close to his peak performace. To help Bogut become even better, Hammonds realized that adding some athletes (Sanders and Maggette), stability (Gooden), and brawn (Brockman). Bogut could flourish even more. Remember also that with his propensity to get injured, Bogut will probably get more rest next season – what with having a more talentd and capable supporting cast.
John "Don't call me Hammonds" Hammond.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
As someone who's last name is frequently misspelled,
I would say he does….
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of see tammy's point...
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
It is funny how much Hammond's name is misspelled
I wonder if his name was Hammonds, would some people call him Hammond?
Btw, did anyone notice when one of the ex-players doing color commentary in Vegas referred to him as “Tom Hammonds,” ie the former Nuggets PF?
by Frank Madden on Jul 20, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
woah Tom Hammonds......
always had a soft spot for Denver F’s McDyess, Laphonso Ellis, Hammonds
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I thought it was Jon Hamhand
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Agreed
The potential needs to be really high now tho, like young starter high. A better SG than Salmons? A better SF than Delfino or Maggette? A better PF than Gooden? or a back-up C or PG so good that if one of them go down the Bucks wouldn’t miss a beat. Makes for a really short list.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW
JaVale McGee was invited to play for Team USA based on his summer league play. WOW! That kid is going to get inspired! Seriously has my pre-season vote for MIP.
wait for it the comedown will be hard with McGee ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
theres a difference between beating up summer league scrubs.......
and bringing that intensity 82 games against the big boys
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
It's not *exactly* Team USA
A bunch of young, not-so-accomplished guys like Robin Lopez, D.J. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Korver and Ronnie Brewer were also invited.
But I do like McGee—every time I see him play he does one or two things where you’re like “WHOA”…always surprises me that he hasn’t been able to get more regular minutes given the Wizards have sucked.
More like Team *Third String + a Coupla Ringers cos Everyone We Wanted Said No* USA?
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions
guess its better to have guys that are interested in playing and are hungry for the chance
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
In the end...
…I’m happy to see Team USA down to the dregs…Boomers might stand a chance, even without Bogut (insert wishful thinking here).
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 5:57 AM CDT up reply actions
More chance than us, We're ranked 19th in the world
Since Leo Rautins kicked Dalembert off the team, Nash hasn’t played for years, we’re down to Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony as far as NBA players go. 6-2 lifetime against Aussies, 1-19 against our friends to the south.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Looks like Jefferson resigning wit
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Whoops
He’s resigning with the spurs… For less money then he would have got with a simple extension LOL
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Er... Had he not opted out, I mean
Geez, whats wrong with me today…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
whats the deal like? one of the strangest moves of the summer really
hard to know what that was all about
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I think he wanted some job security instead of just one expensive year for the team.
He’s made a ton of money already and it seems to me like he wants SA to be able to add some depth for a championship run.
Also he gets a long(ish) deal before the CBA expires and the new one potentially limiting the money and years he could get.
certainly played out like that.....im amazed SA re-upped at that cost.....
it seemed Jefferson never found a niche with SA and Popovich wasnt exactly complimentary very strange
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Question for Frank
Have you updated that lovely google doc of the Bucks roster?
Going with Dooling at the BAE and Brockman with $1.5 per season? I like looking at progress in numbers form.
Travis Diener........so many hopes and dreams dashed
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Is that who's in your picture ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Dooling>Deiner
IMHO more experience, more consistency.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
By far
Diener is a third stringer or at the most a backup on a bad team.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It will be missed.
…All 400 + comments of it
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 22, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Lest we forget...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
it had a good run......an injury or trade and it could still have legs....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
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