Redd as an asset
With the addition of guys like Corey Maggette and Chris Douglas-Roberts and the re-signing of John Salmons, Bucks GM John Hammond has made it pretty clear that if or when Michael Redd does return healthy, he doesn't have a place in the Bucks rotation. But, with that being said, his expiring contract, which is worth 18.3 million dollars can still be an asset. The Milwaukee front office can approach this one of two ways. They could either look to trade that contract to a team that is looking to dump salary, or let the contract expire. Don't expect Hammonds to be able to move Redd's contract just yet, because taking over a lame player before the season even starts in order to dump contracts is a horrible message for a GM to send to their fans, but as the season progresses, Redd's contract will look better and better to a team that is looking to start over.
So, me being as impatient as I am, I wanted to take a look ahead towards February 2011 when the trade deadline will be approaching. I will throw some possible scenarios out, as teams will look to shed contracts.
I categorized these scenarios into three groups, Most Likely, Likely, and Unlikely for aesthetic pleasure.
Golden State - The Warriors seem to be the most likely movers at next year's deadline. They have Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins both locked down to heavy, long-term deals, and both of them have been mentioned in numerous trade rumors in the past year. New ownership may be a hint that the team will start fresh, and the emergence of Stephen Curry as a legitimate NBA point guard and fan favorite will probably be the end of Ellis in Golden State. For those that don't know Ellis is a high-energy, scoring guard who can score with the best of them. Biedrins is a solid big man who would definitely be a great addition to Milwaukee's front line. Golden State has already made it clear they are in the business of cutting salaries by basically giving Corey Maggette to the Bucks earlier this offseason for good looking contracts. It is quite possible that they may be looking to make a few more giveaways.
The problem with bringing Monta Ellis in is that his offensive game dominates the ball, and wouldn't work well with Jennings, who also thrives when given the ball. Ellis has played well at 2-guard, but bringing him in with Jennings would create matchup problems on the defensive end. I don't see this scenario as likely unless Skiles and Hammond are completely comfortable pairing Jennings and Ellis. Bringing in Biedrins makes a lot more sense.
Most Likely
Philadelphia - The 76ers finished 27-55 last season and have Elton Brand's contract. Brand is 31, is owed around 50 million over the next three seasons, and has been riddled by injuries over the last several seasons. The 76ers also have Andre Iguodola signed to a long term contract, and the addition of Evan turner to the backcourt may be a sign that Iguodola's time in Philly is running out.
If these guys have another poor year, It is very likely that they will do something to shed Brand's contract. Perhaps they will make it worthwhile for Milwaukee by throwing in a Louis Williams or a Jrue Holiday, or maybe even Iguodola if the Bucks can put together a package.
Likely
Indiana - I would really hate to be a Pacers fan at this point. With names like Patrick Patterson, Xavier Henry and Eric Bledsoe still on the board in this year's draft when they selected, the Pacers picked Paul George from Fresno State, who happens to play the same position as Danny Granger, their team's best player. The Pacers factor into this equation because they have what a lot of NBA teams want. Granger is one of the NBA's elite scorers and can fill it up from anywhere on the floor. The problem with this scenario is that the Pacers only have 18 million dollars in guaranteed contracts for next season, meaning it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to give up on Granger with that much cap space. But wait a minute, there were whispers at last year's trade deadline that Granger was on the move, and with Redd's contract and a couple of firsts, the Pacers could legitimately start from scratch. This one is a longshot, but one can wish.
Unlikely
Other likely salary dumpers are Charlotte and Detroit. Neither really improved this offseason, and both seem to be stuck, and may become sellers. The problem with these two teams is that neither have guys that would give Milwaukee a substantial upgrade.
There are several other teams that could easily join this picture if they struggle out the gates, or even as the season progresses. Only time will tell.
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As much as I love a block-buster trade... letting Redd expire might be the safe bet
The roster seems to be set for the forseeable future, and I think the bucks would have to take on a player[s?] and a contract or two to make it within the rules.
But ya never know…. some team might get desperate and dangle an all-star at the trade deadline…. Regardless of how it shakes out, Redds contract will be an asset, either at the deadline or after the Bucks season officially ends [hopefully in june] and Hammond will make sure of that.
Sorry, I'm not a fan of any of the trade proposals, I'd let it expire as well.
It’ll give them some room to re-sign guys like CDR, if he performs well, without going over the cap. As of now, Michael Redd is the only guy coming off the books for Milwaukee next season. LRMAM and CDR are expiring but restricted, I don’t anticipate the Bucks letting either of them go unless they trade them this season. If they pick up guys like Monta and AB then they’d have to go into the lux to re-sign CDR and LRMAM.
Top priority now, should be some financial flexibility going forward to keep their current players while avoiding the Lux Tax.
No Brand for sure
Can’t see that happening anyway though, unless something really wrong with Bogut.
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I like George+Granger+Rush wing rotation
I doubt the Pacers will trade Granger without getting back a similar talent (All-Star level) in the same age bracket.
Brand is nothing more than a serviceable backup center at this point in his career, he’s one of the worst contracts in the league, but Iguodala would be a very nice acquisition.
I have no interest whatsoever in Ellis and Biedrins. Ellis is too much of a defensive liability at the 2 and is a very self-absorbed player, Biedrins is overpaid considering his mediocre talents, especially his poor post defense.
I’d like to see the Bucks packaging Redd with some of their underpaid role-players (LRMAM, Delfino, Ilyasova) and maybe some picks to acquire an All-Star level player (like Iggy or Granger). Not sure of who may be available. Letting him expire is a good option if the right trade doesn’t become available. I don’t see CDR or LRMAM demanding the kind of money that could force the Bucks into lux. tax territory.
The Pacers will also have a ton of roster flexibility after this season.
They might be in a similiar situation to the Bucks, selling some expiring contracts (Murphy, Dunleavy, Foster, Ford) near the trade deadline. I suppose if they decide Granger is not a foundation to build on, they could move him and completely start over.
by Brick's house on Jul 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
they might do hand stands in the Indiana front office when Murphy, Dunleavy and Ford come off the books.........
wait until Larry gives Hansborough a $9 million dollar contract
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Utah-Milwaukee
Hear me out. Utah has long been rumored to be wanting to deal AK-47 and with their recent acquisition of Al Jefferson, Memo Okur is also said to be on the block. We still lack a bonafide center behind Bogut, though we do have some options. Nevertheless…
Milwaukee trades:
Mike Redd
Ersan Ilyasova
Carlos Delfino
Utah trades:
AK-47
Okur
The trade syncs up according to the ESPN Trade Machine. It would give Milwaukee an unheard of defensive presence, a true back-up to Bogut if he were to get injured, and AK-47 is an expiring deal while Okur expires next season. Utah would then be in possession of the most valuable trade chip at the deadline as well as a younger, taller, more offensive-minded version of AK-47 as well as an able complement to CJ Miles.
By the way, imagine a defensive-minded lineup of:
BJ3
The Prince
AK-47
Okur/Sanders
Bogut
I mean…that team would absolutely OWN the paint. But there’s little chance Utah would do it. Still…who doesn’t like a bit of AK-47 up in their pipe dream?
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
$$$ Saver
But not only does Utah save money this year with Redd’s contract supplemented by insurance, but also they save $7.5M+ next season by trading Ersan’s contract for Okur’s.
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
BANG!
I would pull the trigger on that in an instant. Obviously the Bucks are going for a WIN-NOW philosophy for the next season or two, these guys would be huge in that regard. Yes, AK has injury concerns, but the Bucks have the depth to cover that eventuality.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 21, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
Okur and AK-47 sat out the entire playoffs last year to injury. AK-47 is useless on this roster. LRMAM plays the D and Maggette would surely be starter or first off the bench. Okur would be a nice back-up C, if he heals nicely, but never should see minutes at PF. If Okur expires next year, why not just let the year pass. Let Redd expire and sign Okur in the offseason. Of which I would still rather they tried to pry Horford from ATL or went after Greg Oden in FA to back-up Bogut.
Ummm.... No!
AK & Okur are both coming off major injuries…. and both old. Maybe 3 or 4 yrs ago I’d make this trade, but not now.
To be honest…. I wouldn’t trade Ersan & Delfino straight up for them, just because of their age & injury history, let alone throw in the barganing chip that is Redd’s contract.
Any trade that involves Redd AND Erasn/Luc/Delfino should bring back an all-star talent in or near his prime, IMO…… if not, just let Redd expire.
Put me with the nays
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by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much agreed.
Okur might never be the same, specifically.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite trade
Milwaukee Gets:
Al Horford
Atlanta Gets:
Ilyasova
Delfino
LRMAM (trade works by ESPN trade machine with or without LRMAM, but sweetens the deal for ATL more)
Which gives the Bucks front line 3 fully capable PFs and 3 capable C’s.
PF: Horford, Gooden, Sanders
C: Bogut, Horford, Gooden, Sanders
I'd LOVE to get Horford to play next to Bogut - w/ Gooden & Sanders [and whoever] backing them up
But I doubt Atlanta would do this trade…. maybe if we threw in a pick
But then again, they’re very cheap, and just gave J Johnson the worst contract extension in the NBA, so maybe they would.
I’d guess Horford will get 10mil+per – and w/ Josh Smith there, maybe they’d make the deal.
and Ersan, Luc, and CD are making peanuts…. so they’d obviously like that.
Agreed
Throw in the pick too. The Bucks are going to b picking in the 20s next year.
Get it done
I’d do it without blinking an eye
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The roster may very well be set, but it seems like we have an extrodinary amount of depth...
So it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see JH make another move or two…. maybe a 2 for 1???
I think Luc is the odd man out, to be honest.
If the Bucks trade any PF, it will be either Luc or Gallon, IMO.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Only thing with Gallon is
You’re going to get squat for him…Better to hang on to him.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Unless Skiles/JH really think Tiny will eventually be a contributor, they should pull a Jodie Meeks
and trade him for a 2nd round pick
Some people really like Tinys potential…. but personally, I don’t see it.
It wouldn't be a Jodie Meeks
With out the acquisition of a terrible center and a journeymen point guard.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
you have to mentally pare away the layers of fat before you see it ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Id like to see Tiny on the biggest loser.....compelling tv I imagine
if they ever had a basketball challenge Tiny’s team would be a shoe in…….I think
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
5 games of Summer League
And we’re giving up on Tiny?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Not completely..... but I've skeptical of him all along
I know Skiles/JH don’t utilize the D league, but a player like Tiny could REALLY benefit from it.
JH was quick to dump Meeks last year, and they seemed to really like him at first.
I agree with D-League
Just would be silly IMO to trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I think we all have unrealistic expectations of the guy....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Definitely
If you look at last year, the success of BJ3 is setting the bar way too high for a rook. Meeks didn’t get it done, so we shipped him, probably prematurely, but we gained some comp for it with Hobson. Sanders looks to be headed closer to the BJ3 super rookie and Tiny along the Meeks line, but thats just not fair to the rooks. Not every rookie can be ROY. Some don’t develop for 2 or 3 years.
yes true.......big guys sometimes need a bit of extra time as well...
fat big immature guys maybe a bit more than that too :)
the kid was pick 47 for a reason
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Look at Moncrief's stats his rookie year
And he played college 4 years
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VG point
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Brockman is another one
Another deal sweetener if a blockbuster comes along. Don’t plan on seeing LRMAM moved tho, he’s more valuable than Ersan IMO because of his versatility but he’s also coming up on a contract year.
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