Why are the Chicago Bulls annointed as a top 4 team in the East?
by tommyr on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 AM CDT
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Sure, they have added some nice talent. But they stunk last season, albeit partly from jettisoning some players in preparation for free agency. But still, this team has not had success yet, and they also have a new coach. The Bucks already established themselves last year, and can build on that. Granted, they have a good one in Derick Rose and an established star in Carlos Boozer, but he has averaged 64 games a season in his career and a good bet to have some injury in 2010-2011.
I accept that the Bulls could become a very good team. I just don't think it is as automatic as some in the media have portrayed.
Please chime in. Thanks.
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Because they're Chicago.
And we’re Milwaukee. If you switched our rosters around, the media would still be singing high praises of the Bulls.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bulls were a top four team. Even though the east has supposedly gotten stronger, it’s really just gotten more top heavy with the three amegos in Miami. I think the Bucks have as good of a shot as Da Bulls do to be a top four team in the East.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
You are probably correct about the Chicago thing
The media thirsts for good teams in big markets; that’s probably true in other sports. I agree that we have as good a shot as the Bulls. They have to improve much more than we do, record wise.
I just wonder how good Boozer will be;
He hasn’t ever been a good defender, and the Bulls new coach (Can’t spell his name ;) ) is defensive minded.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point
The Bulls will have to score a lot of points, as they are not a good defensive team. They have Noah down low, but their perimeter D is suspect.
Brewer is suppose to be one of the best for his age tho.
I’m sure Rose is no slouch either, he’s definately talented enough to play good D, it’s just an effort thing. Deng same story, Boozer same story. Thib’s is suppose to have the D presence of a Skiles so I’d expect their D to improve a lot.
Deng is also a very good defender
Deng+Brewer should provide excellent defense from the wings. The weak spots are Rose+Boozer. But their backup bigs and PG are also above average defenders (Asik+Gibson and CJ Watson).
they have some talented young big guys.......
will be interesting to see how much thibodeau improves their defense numbers wise
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Bulls were 11th in defense last year
even with the injuries.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 21, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah thats why I was wondering how much better they could be under Thibodeau
or do they stay pretty much the same…..not sure Boozer adds much defensively, Korver definitely not, Brewer kinda replaces Hinrich…….so its interesting not having Miller probably helps
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
yeah...
i like how we match up with them…
PG Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Jennings vs. Rose)… could be advantage bucks but just depends on Jennings development
SG Advantage Bucks(Salmons vs. Scrub)
SF Tie (Delfino vs. Deng)
PF Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Boozer vs. Gooden)
C Advantage Bucks(Bogut vs. Noah)
Bench Bucks
Coach Bucks
I would say this
PG Advantage Bulls for now
SG Advantage Bucks(Salmons vs. Scrub)
SF Advantage Bulls (Deng vs Delfino
PF Advantage Bulls (Boozer vs. Gooden)
C Advantage Bucks(Bogut vs. Noah)
Bench Bucks by far
Coach Undecided, likely Bucks
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
HILARIOUS!
PG-Advantage Bulls for now? Advantage Bulls by a little bit?? Come on, be real!
Derrick Rose- ROY, All-Start 2nd year….where is Jennings on that? He won’t even make the All Star team this year. Rose will be the STARTER.
Furthermore, where is Jennings on USA Roster?? In case you haven’t seen, Rose was 2nd best player out there in the scrimmage behind Durantula.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EFQGn0PEKw
While Jennings is no slouch, the two are uncomparable.
Oh Dear
Did I say advantage Bulls by a little bit? No, I didn’t. Rose is clearly the better player by far. Sorry if you like to judge how players careers will go based off their rookie seasons. I personally wait a few years before judging.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
haha Im more offended by you comparing Noah to Bogut Speedy!!!
Im totally pissed about that ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Dude looks like a lady... ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup...
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I was quoting you and your boy Superelkman
Wait all you want :)
My boy?
Does not compute….
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
its not about who can assemble the most talent and best individuals, its about the intangibles as well and how it all fits together.....
as Miami hopefully proves when they flame out in the playoffs
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Hopefully.....;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
since we are heaping it on Chicago....deep dish pizza sucks too
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Owned haha
I actually like Deep dish… Don’t tell them that though. Oh wait….
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
On the subject of Chicago...
I’m actually going there this weekend… Hopefully I don’t die.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
haha actually never had a proper one.....I cannot tell a lie
hmm good luck with that ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
A bit like Cleveland?
‘At least we’re not Detroit!!!…’? The thought of that clip still cracks me up!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
ummm..have you seen either of these teams?
The Bucks have a great coach, but their roster is not nearly up to par with that of the Bulls:
PG – Jennings and Rose are not even close. Rose is a budding superstar. Jennings is a budding NBA player.
SG – Salmons over Brewer, but it’s close. While Salmons will be asked to score, Brewer will not. He will be a sixth option in terms of scoring. He’ll be asked to defend, which he’s very good at.
SF – Deng is better than Delfino. Clearly. Deng averaged 18 and 7 last year. Delfino averaged 11 and 5. Deng’s also a better defender.
PF – To say that Boozer edges Gooden “by a little bit” is a joke. Boozer is an All Star and former Team USA member. Gooden is a journeyman NBA player.
C – It’s a draw. Bogut is probably the better player in the Bucks’ system, but Noah is the better player for the Bulls. Neither has showed a whole lot of promise for a terribly long time, so it’s difficult to base an opinion on only last year’s body of work.
Bench – Even. Bulls have Taj Gibson (a borderline starter) Kyle Korver (best 3pt % in HISTORY last year) and Kurt Thomas (an enforced, albeit an old one). I’d assume Maggette starts for the Bucks over Delfino and Maggette is closer to Deng, but still not as good. Still, Delfino would be a pretty decent 6th man. Mbah a Moute isn’t bad, either.
Coaching -Gotta go with the Bucks, here. Skiles is about as good as they come (until he starts wearing on his players).
Overall, it’s not really even close. The Bulls have 3 potential East All Stars (Rose, Boozer, Noah). The Bucks have 1 (Bogut). The Bucks are more comparable with Atlanta and the Hawks have a better roster than do the Bucks (that’s not to say it’s a better team, though).
by alsbro on Jul 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have a couple disagreements
“Rose is a budding superstar” “Jennings is a budding NBA player”
So basically your assuming Rose becomes a top tier star and Jennings amounts to nothing…?
Salmons has a bigger advantage over Brewer then you might think. Salmons is a very good defender too, with more offensive ability.
Can’t argue with you about Deng, he has more offensive ability, but there both fairly equal defensively.
Boozer. obviously.
Noah is not an all star if you ask me. I’m not sure what you mean by “Bogut fits better in the Bucks system” Bogut is a top 5 center.
Bench Bucks. You didn’t mention Dooling, Brockman, Ilyasova, Sanders, CDR, of course. Maggette will be on the bench, most likely. Not as good as Deng? How so?
Coach: impossible to tell at this point.
At the end, I think the Bulls will be better then the Bucks but it will be close.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 25, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
woah Noah a potential all star?
thats a bit of a leap……..
not sure about Deng these days his numbers look okay but thats because he plays 37 mpg
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Get this Bulls fan outta here
Noah a potential All-Star? NEVER! He’ll never ever, ever ever, make the All-Star team. He didn’t even get asked to make the USA team this summer. They took Tyson Chandler, Brook Lopez, JaVale McGee instead. COME ON!
I can’t value an opinion of someone who thinks Noah is a potential All-Star.
What if it's the flood survival all stars?
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Noahdidn't get ask on the USA team, because he is commited to France.
and plays for there national team.
Out coaching VDN, so easy a cave man could do it.
Great
Noah Sux, he’s like Anderson Varejo, they are just tall guys with energy. No skills at all.
Actually Delfino and Deng are more of a wash than you think
TS%- rebound%-Ast % – Offensive rating – Defensive rating
Deng 54% – 10.7% – 9.1% – 106 – – 106 –
Delfino 53% – 9.8% – 14% – 103 – – 103 -
Sorry for the confusing layout, but what we can see is that they are VERY similar players, deng takes more shots and plays more minutes (which is why his stats are alot better) but in actuall performance they are pretty much a wash.
thank you......
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
that's silly talk
between Noah, Deng and Brewer, CHI has 3 above average defenders at their positions….and Rose is improving defensively.
I've concluded, the media hates Milwaukee.
It bothers me that the mild sports fan buys into it too. They saw how good the Bucks were last season in comparison to these teams. They’ll say the Bucks have upgraded their roster, admit that the Bucks would’ve probably beat ATL with Bogut, but still rank them behind ATL pre-season. FSN had the Bucks pre-season power ranked at 15th for 2010-2011 last week. They only ranked 15 teams. Sekou Smith ranked Chi 3rd in the East but admitted it was a strecth, thats clearly admitting that he’s writing for ratings.
Hammond, I also think Hammond may be trying to assemble a bit of a fan favorite team. Acquiring guys like Jon Brockman brings a lot of fans to Milwaukee. Every time that guy hits the floor, people will cheer, he’ll have die hard fans. Sanders is bound to get a good following. Ilyasova’s buidling fans. Jennings clearly has his as well as Bogut. Getting a good solid fan base will generate some good reviews eventually and hopefully if they generate enough fans and wins going forward, they’ll be able to get that new arena etc.
Better to be an underdog anyway
Does it really matter who the “experts” pick?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Apparently not, b/c they aren't using their expertise
Their just picking the teams from the towns where they have the most readers.
No it does not
Because the so-called experts don’t know anymore than you and I do. They just have this sick obsession to want big market teams to prevail.
I'm not sure that's the case
I think a lot of writers look at last year and see that the Bucks and Bulls were fairly close. They look at off-season moves and see that the Bulls arguably added more than the Bucks. Using logic they figure that now the Bulls will be better than the Bucks.
Personal opinion is that the teams are still very close. The Bulls likely put out a better starting 5(again arguable) but the Bucks have a lot more depth, especially in the front court.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is both
What they fail to see is that 4 + 4 isn’t always 8, meaning that they have NOT yet established a core competency. What that means is, more stars have to align for them to win big than do the Bucks. I agree that it should be close and competitive. It’s certainly nice that the Bucks are in the discussion once again.
Agreed
Logic almost never works in sports
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Not when egotisical players, coaches, and so on, are involved. That is why the Miami situation will be interesting. Wade and others are already asking several questions about that — I hope that makes them a bit pre-occupied going into the season. They will have as much pressure on them, I believe, as any sports team in recent history.
I'm not kidding my self here.
That team will be dominant, no matter who they have around them. There’s no guarantee that they will win a title, but lets be honest, NOBODY will be able to defend them. You almost have to just hope that one of them misses. And I don’t think the egos will be that big of a deal. LeBron almost averaged 10 assists last year, for goodness’ sake… Well, it might be with Bosh, but that’s because he’s a brat, IMO.
That said, I might just hate them more than the Lakers. Which is saying something.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 21, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Definately hate the Lakers more than the Super Heat although I’m beginning to hate LBJ more than Kobe…Kobe is an A-hole but he works really hard and wants to annihilate people; LBJ is taking the easiest path to a ring that he can because he wants his “brand” to be bigger than MJ’s…too bad no one will ever look at him the same way again
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Don't be like most of america
and forget that Kobe is a rapist. Yeah its possible that he was innocent and i know he wasn’t convicted… but still. I hate LBJ too but not more than Kobe.
and James screwing up Chris Paul’s image is upsetting.. but again, not more than Kobe.
tough at the top in the east....
Boston, Orlando, Miami, Chicago, Bucks
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I don't see Boston as a threat....
I know I sound like a MAJOR homer… but I really think the Bucks end up being the 3rd team in the East – behind Miami & Orlando
Boston is just too old, and the Bucks would’ve knocked them out last year w/ a healthy Bogut, IMO…. Perkins knee is also a major question mark.
Chicago should be better, but I don’t see them winning 50+ games. Maybe, but I doubt it.
I see the top 4 in the East as Miami, Orlando, Milwaukee, Chicago.
Atlanta may sneak in the top 4 as well… but I just can’t gauge them… they might win 50+ and could also end up .500
I wouldnt discount Boston.....
during the season they may plod along much like last year…but when they get to playoff basketball they are still tough to beat……
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I like them, but I feel they're too old...
Except for his big 3point game in the Finals, it was almost tragic watching Ray at times.
I’m not writing them off, but I’d be a bit surprised if they get home-court in the PO.
Its never painful to watch that smooth J
he did have a few horrific games, but he’s dangerous. and Jermaine O’neal is an underrated pickup. they’ll make the playoffs and be a tough team for anyone to beat. That includes us, the heat, the lakers, etc. but they are, obviously, beatable and we can take ’em
Oh yeah... I forgot they signed J O'Neal
Well…. He’ll certainly help, especially w/ Perkins knee concerns, but I still say they don’t win 50 ; )
I’d love to see Ray go to a young, talented team like OKC and be the shooter/wise vet off the bench… his days as a productive starter are coming to a close, IMO
I think he'll retire after his 2 more years in boston
but i like where your head’s at. that would be a great way to end his career… if he was okay with that role. I don’t think he’s comfortable with coming off the bench right now.
Replace CDR??
When the season starts and you see CDR play, you will rue the day you made this comment. Today you become a candidate for the “What Was I Thinking?” Award.
by CDRFORTHEWIN on Jul 23, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Boston
ATL will fair better than Boston in the regular season. Playoffs will be role reversal. Both of them will b better than the Bulls tho IMO.
agreed.
We just need to finish in the top 4 to get home court. But we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves… gotta make the playoffs first
Boston is still tough...
but not the toughest team in the East. Its Orlando, Miami, Boston, Mlwaukee/Chicago (I see us as neck and neck but definately the class of our division)…after that its kind of up in the air.
Call me crazy but I could even see NYK making it in as a 7th or 8th seed
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Who knows what the Knicks are capable of with Amar'e and a healthy David Lee...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 22, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And I conveniently forgot that David Lee is a Warrior. *facepalm*
Ronny Turiaf is decent, but I don’t know too much about Anthony Randolph.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 22, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice recovery ;)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Randolph has some major talent....
but he is coming off a majory injury, and the dysfunctional relationship he had with GSW & Don Nelson………..one night he tear it up the next he would get 5 minutes…..if he gets it together he can score, rebound, handle the ball and he is 6’10
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
The Bucks will get more publicity when they have a compelling product on the floor.
Look at Cleveland, Salt Lake City, and Oklahoma City. Over the last few years, did the media love Cleveland? No, Cleveland had a superstar in Lebron. Another example is Oklahoma City and Kevin Durant. They are going to get a lot of attention this coming season as potential foils for the Lakers. The Jazz always got a lot of attention, originally with Malone/Stockton then with D Will/Boozer.
If Jennings makes a big step again this year and Bogut continues to improve, the roster around them has improved enough that Milwaukee will get everyone’s attention. Last year was a start, but wins will get the Bucks the attention it deserves.
by Brick's house on Jul 20, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will all be settled ON the court
We will see what they have to say after we take the Central.
The NBA is a star-driven, big market league.... and Stern likes it that way.
That’s why Chicago is getting more hype than Milw, and probably always will [atleast until milw goes deep in the playoffs, annually]
Won't happen then either
Early 80s they still never got the press that Boston, Philly and LA got, partly because they didn’t win it all but small-market was part of it too. I think the team or the players will never really get the press that they deserve, it’s a harsh fact of life.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 20, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
One way the Bucks can get a ton of press? Sweep the Miami Triumverate.
Of course, LBJ will chalk it down to dumb luck, Wade’ll just smile, and Bosh sit with his head in his hands on the bench…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 22, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago is getting a lot more hype
Than Milwaukee this summer because we landed one of the top free agents (Carlos Boozer)…..
I do like the way Milwaukee shocked the league last year, and think they will be very good this year, but there’s no denying that to the masses getting a 20-10 free agent all star Power Forward is much more compelling nationally to getting overpaid journeyman Corey Maggette and even bigger journeyman Drew Gooden.
Though I will say I like those 2 (and keeping Salmons) for your squad. I think those 2 can fill in some extra scoring punch, and let’s face it, Milwaukee will have a hard time drawing the big free agents for a while unless they build a winner because of the size of the city.
I love Milwaukee though and someday may move back. I have a soft spot for the Bucks, but am a Chi fan through and through.
Let’s just hope the Skiles honeymoon doesn’t wear off this year…..if he keeps the team together, with the unsexy, but solid role playing pieces you added, if Bogut stays healthy you guys should be pretty solid.
My concern for the Bucks is if Jennings can get some of his Nov/Dec mojo back and not be the Jan-April guy he was last year…….if he can prove to be a solid PG, your Bucks should be in the 50 win potential team…..(well and Bogut needs to stay healthy)
He’s the guy I’m not too sold on yet….even if he’s shown he’s got some good individual talent.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Also because people just think the Bulls are better.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Same thing with VSL
DeMarcus Cousins is easily more marketing value than Larry Sanders right now.
Based on what?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
higher draft pick, more college success (teammate of John Wall), teaming with the reigning roy
by FearTheDeer on Jul 20, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Every basketball fan has heard of Demarcus..
Only the truly dedicated fans of the nba know Larry Sanders. They’lll all know him soon enough though!
People are more likely to know him by name, too
You ask someone who Larry Sanders is, they might confuse the basketball player with the guy working down at the local hardware store. Say DeMarcus Cousins and they think basketball if they know the name at all.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
both the Bucks and Bulls had a good summer........
but I still find it highly amusing that the Bulls, who passed on Thibodeau before went after him completely based on LBJ and World WIde Wes’s promise that it would help get him there……..he may be a very good coach but they totally were not sold on him
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
He probably won't last long
Bulls management seems to have a bad relationship with every coach they hire… Skiles, Del Negro, and now there are rumors that the Bulls aren’t happy with Thibodeau. Good for us haha
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 20, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think mgmt
Got along very well with Skiles. Skiles lost the team and Skiles quit. John Paxson’s said nothing but good things about Skiles, calling him a great coach 2 years ago, and then reiterating that he was a great coach when he commented on the Salmons trade (Paxson told Salmons that we really like you and it’s an unfortunate thing that we have to trade you, but bear in mind that Skiles is one of the best coaches)….something to that effect.
Paxson had issues with Vinny. Vinny had issues with Paxson (this summer when asked about his relationship with his former employers, he said I love the players, I respect Reinsdorf, but for Paxson and Gar their is no relationship, but I’ve moved on, I’m part of the Clippers today).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Also
Where are you seeing this rumour that they aren’t happy with Thibs?
It’s fun to make up things to support an argument….but that is simply untrue tot his point.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
League sources
Hey, If ESPN/Yahoo can play that card then so can I.
Nah. but I read it somewhere. Not really suggesting that it’s true but it’s a thought.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha I am flattered...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
We didn't pass on Thibs
We weren’t able to get an interview then from Boston.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Agreed
They’ve built a decent but very unremarkable supporting cast. I don’t like that Rose+Brewer+Deng backcourt, very little shooting there and the Boozer+Noah frontcourt doesn’t provide much either. They should be very solid defensively though, especially if everybody buys into Thibodeau’s system. But it’s not a given they’ll be a top-4 team or better than the Bucks. It’s going to be close.
yes....Korver will have to provide alot of shooting from deep
CJ Watson is a fine pick up for them though, I like their young big guys…….Bucks and Bulls should continue their rivalry from last season
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Bulls have only one 3-point shooter on the team
Korver.
That’s it. Rose claims he has the range now and has been working on his shot behind the arc the past 3 months… yeah right! Brewer can’t shoot the 3, Deng can’t shoot the 3. The Bulls failed to sign JJ Redick and are still lacking shooters.
Deng is decent from range.
But you’re right. Korver is a great shooter to have… But one is not enough
Deng's a decent three point shooter...when his feet are beyond the arc, that is...
For some reason, Luol Deng tosses up more long two’s than J.R. Smith…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 22, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
DRose has already improved his shot
He went from a shaky jumpshooter at best to one of the most consistent mid range shooters in the league last year over the course of one offseason…what makes scoff at the idea that he won’t be able to improve his long range this year?
Taj Gibson would have a spot next to Tiny on this roster.
Noah would be the 2nd string C. Brewer would be competing with CDR for 2nd string SG. Deng would be fighting with Maggette and Delfino for minutes. I’ll give it to Rose and Boozer tho. They probably have an edge on Jennings and Gooden.
Yep, for the Milcago Buckls...
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
thats harsh comparing Gibson to Gallon
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Agreed
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 22, 2010 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not comparing Gibson to Gallon
I’m just saying he wouldn’t get minutes over Gooden, Sanders, Ilyasova, or LRMAM.
I'm saying Gibson would be 5th string PF on the Bucks
Right b4 Tiny, Right after Brockman
still if I was Gibson id be offended being mentioned with Tiny ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
lol, I had no intention of comparing their skills tho
Gibson is much better than Tiny, but realistically who would you play Gibson over at PF on the Bucks? Gooden? Sanders? Ilyasova? Brockman? Tiny?
Just Tiny. He’s probably got more skills than Brockman too, but seems like if ur 4th string, Brockman does exactly what u want, hustle like hell.
KT
To the Bulls? WHY KT WHY?
thats about the suck-iest news all summer...
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
WTF?
Wow, Kurt Thomas. Wow.
And the Chicago Bulls just replaced an old center with an even older center…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
An older power forward masquerading as a center.
by Brick's house on Jul 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll be happy...
If they can squeeze 3.2 PPG, 1.5 RPG, and -0.3 Assists per game out of Thomas at this point..
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 23, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
On the upside...
…it only serves to help reinforce the notion that the Bucks have a FAR superior bench to the Bulls at this point.. Hello 4th seed Bucks – Welcome to th 5th/6th seed Chicago…
And yes, I am aware that this is being drunkenly and self servingly over-optimistic about next season while we are still in July…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait...
The Bulls have a BENCH?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 23, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope he gets a DNP when we play them : )
If Gibson is the backup to Boozer, is KT Noah’s main backup?
If so, they’re in trouble! As much as I like KT, it’ll be kinda fun to watch Bogut destroy him in the post. Bahahahaha!!!
Yes, KT is going to be Noah's backup, with Brad Miller gone.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
they drafted a young C too right?
so they want to KT to teach him the ways of the world…..oh and also how to play C in the NBA
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
They signed a previous draftee in Omar Asik, another young Turk.
by Brick's house on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably be on the Lakers in a few years...
Given how Chicago has bounced about a billion players to other destinations, ala Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 23, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
ah ok thanks....
hmm if he is the primary back up at C that might be a stretch
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
KT - seeing as he is now playing for our bitter foes when we really wanted him back...
…can we call him Koat Turner?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I signed on to make a turncoat comment too
thanks for being on the same page!
All I have to say is at least he’s not from Sacramento and signing with the Lakers… Matt Barnes is getting more of an evil eye than KT right now.
In the end, it's all just business...
…but it’s more fun if we, the fans, can manufacture the rivalry ;)
I take it the people of Sac-Town are very anti-LA for pretty much everything, and the Lakers in particular?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks mate ;) Had to make up for that appalling 'Milk' Shakur comment the other day!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 23, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would've thought?
I actually don’t hold anything against Kurt for his decision…for all we know, no offer was made by the Bucks to stay…just couldn’t resist the Acronym opportunity :)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 24, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a play on the 'Koat Turner' comment I made above...
…it shows KT ‘emerging’ from the Bucks gear in a Bulls uni…the cap ‘turning’ to his new allegiance to the Bulls. Maybe a bit too obscure?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 25, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you say "Divided Loyalties"?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 25, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe 'Shifting Loyalties'?
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
KT actually is a huge improvement over last year's version of Brad Miller
Miller was awful last year and has benefitted from being good post trade 2 years ago and being a former big name.
He’s overpaid again in Houston 3 yrs $15M. I’d rather have Gooden actually and I don’t much care for _rew’s D-less ways, but every 7-8 games Drew can have a bonafide solid night
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Bulls will finish 5-7 games ahead of Bucks. Thoughts?
…assuming Noah isn’t out for a month and a half, like last year, that they don’t let their starting shooting guard go as a free agent before the season (a la Ben Gordon) and trade their newly-anointed starting SG midway through the season (a la Salmons).
i think...
the bulls definitely had a good summer Boozer, Korver, Brewer, KT are quality editions to a core of Rose, Noah, Deng, Gibson……a nice contest should continue from last season against the Bucks
im very interested to see how Thibodeau goes, and how Gar/Paxson allow him to get on with it….thats the most interesting interaction for me
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Thoughts
Ur a Bulls fan on a Bucks fanpage trying to start shit. Thats my only thought.
Not what I think, what I know is: Bucks will win the Central. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they sweep the Bulls and the rest of the Central Division during the regular season.
Hey hey
twas just his opinion ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
of someone elses opinion
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Last Years Utah Jazz >> Current Chicago Bulls
Brewer, Korver, CJ, etc are all downgrades to Kirk Heinrich so I’m not the slightest bit worried about any of that.
KT, because he was a Buck, I liked him He’ll bring the same thing to Chicago toughness and leadership, but honestly, he’s a small factor on either team. Brad Miller = KT.
Boozer is a quality acquisition, but IMO he’s only an above average player. An upgrade to Taj Gibson for sure. He’s HAD 2 All-Star appearances in the past, but it’s not like they got a Karl Malone here. A 1 time all-nba 3rd teamer. We’re DEF NOT talking about a future hall of famer.
The one acquisition that actually concerns me will be T-Mac. It’s a big IF, but IF T-Mac can continue to gain confidence in his legs and play injury free, he can be a big factor. If he can even be half of the player he once was, he and all of the other acquisitions combined should be enough to propel Chicago to the elite teams of the East IMO.
Otherwise, the Bucks will obliterate the Bulls. The Bucks have an answer for everything…Offensive struggles, Defensively struggles, Size Deficiency, Speed Deficiency, Lack of energy, what problem can’t they overcome? It’s name is Lebron James, D Wade, and Chris Bosh.
When I think about the Bulls, I think of last years Utah Jazz. D Will is leaps and bounds better than Rose, Boozer is Boozer, Okur has more ability that Noah but they are completely diff and used differently. Brewer was not a problem in Utah or Memphis, barely scrapped minutes. AK-47 about equal to Deng. Were the Bucks better than the Jazz last year? Are the currently upgraded Bucks better than last years Jazz? I’d answer no the first question, even though the Bucks beat them, I’d answer yes to the 2nd question.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 26, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Hinrich was DEFINITELY underrated.
When he played well in the playoffs and stretch run, the Bulls won. When he wasn’t a factor, they lost. Pure and simple.
Hinrich was the X-factor who could make you fall asleep, then kill you because he’d be wide open in the corner.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
gritty defender but his shot which was never reliable went pop!
he seems like a good guy to have on your team if his role isnt to great these days and he isnt earning so much money
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Bucks will "obliterate" the Bulls?
Some people on here are beginning to think too highly of the Bucks IMO…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Touche
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the race will be very close...
IMO it hinges on a few factors:
-Bogut’s health
-Jenning’s development
-“Skiles” chemistry
-Rose development
-Thibs defensive approach
-Battle of the benches
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it'll be as a close as it was last season....these teams are pretty even
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
if Chicago's two headed managment monster Gar/Pax let Thibs coach them they could be pretty decent
as much as it will suck seeing KT in a Bulls uniform next season
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Having to watch him stare down our bench..
Awful.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 26, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but he might wrench his neck trying to do it from Chicago's bench ;)
after Bogut has schooled him
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Everything depends on Bogut, Jennings, and Salmons health
but every team has guys that have to be healthy (ie Rose, Boozer) for them to win.
For both teams, another key will be getting new talent to buy into coach's philosophy.
Bucks have an early season advantage over the Bulls with an established system in Milwaukee. In Chicago their new coaching staff will be putting in a whole new offense/defense.
Just like it took Skiles some time to put his system together, it will take Thibs some time too. Skiles also has the edge in head coaching experience. Who knows how Thibs will respond to being the man after beings an assistant for so many years?
by Brick's house on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
it also helps if the management do try to undermine him at every corner as well
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
do not try ;) my bad
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Wouldn't we want their Management...
…to undermine Thib at every turn tho? Which would make your original comment, as opposed to the correction, correct ;)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls management...
I assume that was an oxymoron? The Bulls don’t manage, the Bulls demand, whine, complain, and somehow take Boston to a seven game series in the first round…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 28, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, Bulls Mis-Management...;)
Too many morons with oxy welders around to have another one…..
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 28, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
actually that picture of KT could apply to the Bulls management
half Gar half Paxson…….which one is the evil side is the question
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I should have said don't really anyway haha
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Why are the Bulls a top four team?
Well, because they are. Luol Deng is so much better than Delfino, that matchup isn’t even close. Gooden is NOT close to Carlos Boozers level. Trust me, he played for the Bulls once already. HE’S NOT GOOD! Same thing with Salmons. He MIGHT be better than Brewer, but it’s a not by a longshot, and if the Bulls get Rudy Fernandez, he is better than Salmons. Another guy who played for the Bulls. Trust me, he IS NOT GOOD! Rose is miles better than Jennings also. Last but not least, Noah would destroy Bogut on the glass. Bogut might be able to score on him, but he wouldn’t get ANY rebounds. At all. Quit kidding yourselves over here. The Bulls are much better.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 6:48 AM CDT reply actions
Bring it on!
I like my Bull served medium-rare…
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 29, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Salmons I think is in Luol’s league, just needs to be used right, which he wasn’t in the post BG days in Chciago last year. John’s a slasher, who needs to slash to then open up his jump shot. Vinny last year wanted John to be a shooter first, and keep the lane drives for Rose and Luol…..which hurt John’s game considerably since he lost the open jump shots because he shot first then drove.
John typically drives a few plays and then he can start using the jump shot as the defenders focus on defending for the drive.
He also did admittedly play like complete dogshit for a few weeks there. But I like Salmons.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Hey, no need to look for reactions :)
Decided I’d post over there Can’t wait for the responses.
We left our pitchforks at home anyway.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm prepared for a virtual mob against me.
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~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It would only be fair
You guys invaded in a mob ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Just defending our team
Are you guys bad? No. You guys are very solid. However, some people here just say somethings that had to be defended. Such as: Rose and Jennings being equal, Boozer and Gooden being equal, and Deng and Delfino being equal.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.........Delfino is much better value than Deng
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
anyway fair play to the Bulls they have goals....the Utah Jazz of the East well done
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
How can you seriously say that?
Look at the stats, it’s that simple, my friend.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
true.....17 ppg 7 rpg
that will help the Bulls sleep better when they have to pay him $14 million in 2013/14
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
actually I get it now that makes Boozer look like a steal
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
You can't say a player is worse than another because he's paid more.
That’s outrageous. Fine. Pay less for players. Have fun trying to win. Deng is miles better than Delfino.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
its all relative.....just an opinion I expressed....
I find players hard to measure in miles
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Funny how you can't come up with a real stat or evidence that Delfino is better...
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~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
That wasn't the original statement, was it?
It was that Delfino is better value, not a better player. There is a difference.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
yeah you had me at miles better
the only stat that matters in the end is W and the Bucks clocked in at 46 with Delfino starting
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
yikes evidence...here....really?
I thought it obvious I was just taking the piss a bit, but I love Delfino on the Bucks team, I love his under rated rebounding, his scrappy defense, his team values, his occasional wing scoring and thats why I would like him to start ahead of Maggette, and I wouldnt trade him for Deng
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I think he meant the opposite :)
That Deng is worth more then Delfino. Which I agree with.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously....you couldnt give away Deng and that contract
Id much rather have Delfino
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I wasn't taking contract into consideration
I just think Deng is the better player.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
now that Maggette is a Buck....Deng is now on my shite list
I suppose he might be a smidgen better…maybe
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
So WHAT!
The talent difference between those two isn’t even close.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So when Delfino is getting raped by Deng
Have fun saying “But Delfino is payed less, so he’s better and I’d rather have him.”
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I've said, The Bucks are going to obliterate the Bulls
Sorry, I know thats ur team and all, but the Bucks roster makes for a better all around team. Bucks’ll go 4-0 in the regular season against the Bulls and clinch the Central easy.
I know ur favoritism is to the Bulls because thats your team, but honestly, I’m unimpressed. Boozer is a 2 time all star and a 1 time all nba 3rd teamer in 7 years, not really impressed. Rose sucked for the first half of the season last year to the point where he made promises to himself publicly, he improved but he’s only been in the league 2 years to suck for half of 1, I say that to say, Jennings also has only sucked for 1. Salmons is miles ahead of Brewer. Brewer is strictly defense. I know you would like to discredit Salmons and Gooden because they are former Bulls but one mans trash is another mans treasure. I saw a guy in the paper the other day who bought a $45 painting and they appraised it for $200mil, point being, just cuz the Bulls couldn’t use their talent right, doesn’t mean the Bucks won’t.
Okay, and what do you really think? :P
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
just cuz the Bulls couldn’t use their talent right, doesn’t mean the Bucks won’t.
That’s funny, because the coach you have now was the same guy that, according to you, was wrongly using the talent.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
wow i had to make sure this comment was real
this is basically how i read it in my mind
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I know ur saying the bulls are gonna win because you are bulls fans and are homers….but as a bucks fan i say the bucks are better…i know because the bulls are your favorite team, you are biased against my favorite team, but i am not biased at all against my favorite team.
Jennings is awesome, hes only sucked for half a season, but rose…he sucked for half a year…and hes been in the league for 2damn years….i mean jennings only sucked for 1/2, and it was his rookie season, but rose…sophmore year he sucked for half the damn year man…signs of a bust i tell ya….
Boozer was an all star in utah yea, but he sucked in utah..hes been trash for the last couple seasons…but gooden and salmons are awesome..i mean yea they were trash the last few seasons..but one teams trash is another teams treasure…
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….yea…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
How could Rose suck for the entire FIRST HALF of the year
and still make the all star team? Not to much logic behind that is there?
LOGIC?
Since when has there been any logic behind All-Star selections? Whether they are fan voted or selected to play, more often than not, the teams do not represent the best players in the league!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah….he was voted in by the coaches…and I highly doubt that he could SUCK as you put it for an the entire period that allstar selections are decided on and still make that team he must have done SOMETHING to put him in consideration…and while some people may be left out that deserve it from year to year hardly ever are players NOT DESERVING AT ALL voted in by coaches
Come On Bro
He admitted he sucked the first half of the season, stated “I’m not cutting my hair until I’m playing better” out of his own damn mouth. FACTS
Never actually said that Rose didn't deserve to be on the All-Star Team...
…was merely stating that LOGIC is not the highest common denominator in All-Star selections. (Not that I think Rose deserved to be there…it’s just I never actually said it til NOW…)
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by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 3, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously....you couldnt give away Deng and that contract
Id much rather have Delfino
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
We should send them Marko... KAPOW! LOL!
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by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That's harsh! lol
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm.... Noah would "destroy" Bogut on the glass??? No - not quite.
When did Noah become the next Moses Malone???
Noah avg 11.0 rpg – Bogut avg 10.2 rpg….. not much of a disparity there, and Boguts a legit offensive player who will have Noah in foul trouble from the get-go…. and if K Thomas is your backup to Noah, you’re screwed. I love KT, but he’s very old & very limited in terms of ability & min he can give you.
Although the Bulls made some nice moves this Summer, the Bucks have better depth and [atleast for now] better coaching.
BTW – if Brewer starts, where’s your shooters? None of your starters can shoot. Aside from Korver & Watson, who can shoot??? Expect to see a lot of zone D this year ; )
Well to be fair...
Jo’s RPG is a little deceiving since he was only playing like 5-15 minutes per game toward the end of the season when he was recovering from PF… but regardless, saying he is close to Bogut is almost as ridiculous as saying Jennings is close to Rose. I love Joakim Noah, and he provides exactly what the Bulls need…but if I would trade him for Bogut in a second.
In four head-to-head meetings last year, Noah avg 9/14 - Bogut avg 19/12..... advantage Bogut.
I also wouldn’t say Rose is “miles” better than Jennings – Rose has a better fg%, and BJ has a better 3ppg% – Rose avg 5 more ppg and their apg were the same.
Rose – 21/6
BJ – 16/6
Yes, Rose is better – but not by miles, IMO.
maybe look at a few other metrics?
Jennings, TS%-.475 PER-14.5
Rose, TS%-..532 PER-18.6
That looks miles better to me. Also, Jennings assist totals are better than Rose’s because Jennings has had the benefit of a scoring big to pass to in Bogut. Let’s wait and see where his assist totals are after a season with Boozer.
Also, take a look at their shooting percentages by shooting distance
Specifically, this year Rose made 55.1% of his attempts at the rim, averaging 5.6 shots a game from that range; last year Rose made 58% on 5.9 attempts. Jennings only made 42.7% on 3.5 attempts. Though Jennings’ athleticism is one of his greatest assets, it’s not utilized nearly as well as it could be, looking at those percentages. If Jennings doesn’t insanely improve those percentages, he’ll be more like a smaller Raymond Felton than a Tony Parker or AI.
by DickFractal on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Benifet of scoring big to pass to in Bogut?
Jennings assists to Rim per game: 2.2
Rose assists to rim per game-1.9
So there’s a .3 difference…?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we can agree on one thing
which is that both the Bulls (28th in ORtg) and the Bucks (23rd in ORtg) did not have the great options for their point guards to pass to.
Yeah that is very true.
And I do think Rose is a lot better then Jennings at this point.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
THANK YOU!
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Rose is miles better,
I can’t believe people are even debating this.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the core of the debate...
…is over who has the better TEAM. All this one-on-one break down is fine if that is how a game is played, but it’s not. At this point, taking into consideration existing team chemistry, depth at each position and summer acquisitions, the Bucks have a slight advantage IMO.
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
yawnnnn.....if I cared what the Bulls did Id join a Bulls blog
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
by ILIKEBJ'S on Jul 29, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would too.
But this ISN’T www.blogabull.com…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 29, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/7/29/1594094/why-are-the-chicago-bulls
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, they really have no idea...
KT is OLD. Boozer can’t stay healthy. Rose plays PG like an SG (not that there is ANYTHING wrong with that). Deng doesn’t know where the 3 point line is. Noah is a great athlete who can play center.
The Bulls were making all the moves to bring in LBJ. Instead, they got CB, who is still a pretty good player*.
- = that is, when he’s on the court and not riding the bench in a tux with Jazz cufflinks…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 29, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a feeling you'll regret saying that...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Speedy
Teams are close, they might be a bit better. Never know what happens in a season though, injuries, fate, luck……anything can happen. I say we have a bench advantage for sure, if they avoid injuries maybe not that much of an impact.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
I like you
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaaaaahhh! Speedy! I think wrigleyrocker12 wants you to be HIS boy....!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I cant believe this is still going ;)
the lady dost protest too much, methinks
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Ha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions
No
There’s much more solid evidence that the Bulls are better.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
But even if they are marginally better on paper
You still have to play the games and anything can happen. You would have died laughing if I told you a year ago the Bucks would finish ahead of the Bulls wouldn’t you?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
mate ever heard of getting your chain yanked.....
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
All depends on the yanker
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 30, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm...yanker...
…rhymes with another great Aussie term…!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
So if it rhymes with Yanker
And starts with a “W” must be a Bulls fan?
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 31, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 2, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I could carry on and on about why the Bucks are better, but I won’t, I just know I’m not going to regret a single statement I made. I’ll just let the regular season tell the tale. Then I’m going to start a thread on Bulls Blog called “Bucks stampede Bulls” so u can take that ish talking back on their side, there are bigger and better teams for the Bucks to be worried about.
Sorry, I had to.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And your talking more smack then they are sooo....
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Aug 2, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Who are u?
Why r u the guy who lets somebody come into your house, talk smack about your house, then understand where the guy talking smack is coming from? Even sympathize with him? Dang straight I’m talking smack back, somebody came in my house talking smack, looking for guys like u to be understanding.
I hate the Vikings, Bears, Bulls, Cubs, etc
I’ll never let one of their fans talk smack to me and just take it.
You kind of started it ;)
If it’s something I don’t think is true, then yeah I’ll say something about it. I’m not a big fan of people saying things that don’t have much logic to them and just make the rest of us look arrogant and uninformed…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Well
I don’t feel like their’s much here that I’ve said thats un-informed. I also was far from starting anything. First the title of this article is questioning Chicago. Then the Chicago fans got on here trying to stir stuff up. Here is some logic,
D Rose isn’t that much better of a player than BJ3, not IMO, in stats. He has a team that he has to carry a much heavier load on that BJ3 for one. DRose carries that team in the scoring and assist column. Jennings had Salmons and Bogut as the 1st and 2nd option ahead of himself. Further, if you look at the numbers I posted below, DRose’s rookie numbers weren’t even as good as BJ3’s. The advantage is given to Rose based on 1 more year of experience, his headline status on a major market, and his college career. I also don’t care that a player says “my jumper is a lot better” until I see it on the court in the game.
Boozer like I said, a 1 time all nba 3rd teamer doesn’t make me say “WOW” they got a lot better. Although, he’s a great upgrade to a sophomore in Taj Gibson. Where is Boozer in the league among PF’s? I mean I can name at least 5 (Dirk, Bosh, Amare, Lee, Gasol) who are better and probably 5-10 more comparable (TD, KG, Horford, Aldridge, Jamison, West, Josh Smith, Randolph, Rashard Lewis). He’s somewhere in the middle of all those names when it comes to PF’s.
The rest of their team is avg NBA players and it’s not very deep with them. Deng (let’s talk about what he is not what he was once projected to be), Korver, Noah, and Gibson round out the solid role players of their rotation. What is Brewer really good at? Nobody ever compared him to LRMAM defensively, but thats his best skill? Weren’t we just discussing putting LRMAM in at 8th-12th man? LRMAM’s scoring numbers are better than Brewers. CJ Watson?, Asik?, James Johnson? come on. I can’t give credit where credit is undue.
IMO (all teams healthy) the East strongest playoff contender to weakest playoff contender:
Heat, Celts, Magic, Bucks or Hawks, Knicks or Bulls and one of (Wiz, Cavs, 76ers).
I think the Bulls at the least are a 6th spot team.
But your right, they’re far from perfect. I think a good comparison to the Bulls is the Grizzlies. I’ll let HP tell it:
Hmm. Gasol-Noah:wash, Z-Bo-Boozer:wash, Gay-Deng:wash, Mayo-Korver/Brewer:wash, Conley-Rose:CRAP.
http://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/20261160602
The comparison might make some people laugh but now that I think of it, other then Rose-Conley it actually holds some merit.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Oh BTW...
…really, at this point in the season (ie, still 3 months til opening night), isn’t any fan of any team going to be a Homer? No one knows exactly how each team will be shaping up at the midway point of the season, so as far as I’m concerned…Homer on! Bucks will give the Bulls a flogging 4 games straight next season…a Homer (despite living a space shuttle trip away from Milwaukee) and damn proud of it!!!!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
Ok that's enough
I’ve been reading through these comments and this is getting ridiculous…number one the bulls would have been a 5 or 6 seed this last year had they not lost derrick for a couple games and Joakims injuries also which caused a 10 game losing streak near the end of the season dropping them from the 6th seed to out of the playoffs entirely….2nd Let’s compare the rosters
Pg-Derrick is better then Jennings and it’s not close…Rose carried this bulls team to a playoff berth last year taking over all the games down the stretch and if not for a 1 or 2 month period at the beginning of the year when he was playing hurt his numbers would have been better to
Sg-Ronnie Brewer and John Salmons…I’ll give that one to Salmons considering how well he played down the stretch for you guys last year but Ronnie Brewer is no slouch and is a long agile player
SF- Luol Deng is the better player hands down also he’s got a good jumper and can also shoot the 3 a lot better then people realize he just hasn’t ever since Scott Skiles told him to cut it out of his game his second year in the league he can finish in the lane and is a decent defender
Pf- Carlos Boozer and Drew Gooden really? Carlos boozer is a legit 20-10 guy whil drew gooden has some of the worst shot selection known to man…there’s a reason why this guy never sticks on a roster
C- I’ll give it to Bogut he’s a really good player…but anyone who scoffs at the idea the Noah isn’t also a good player and compares him to Anderson Varejo does not watch basketball and has no part in this discussion
Bench- Gibson, Korver, Cj Watson, Asik, and possibly Rudy Fernandez and/or TMac if we can land him vs. Maggette Illyasova, Dooling, and CDR I’d say is a push I heard a lot of talk about Kurt Thomas and how we’re screwed if he’s our back up center…Kurt Thomas was not brought in to play a huge role our back of center is Omer Asik who’s pretty good defensively and a pretty decent finisher from the limited amount i’ve seen from him
The Bucks are a good team I’m not going to write all this stuff about how they suck and shouldn’t be put in the same sentence as the bulls…however, their record was very deceiving last year because of all the injuries they endured down the stretch and with the addition of Boozer and the another year of development from Derrick Rose(Who is no where near his peak) the Bulls are easily a 3rd or 4th seed the Bulls were a very similar team to the Bucks LAST year and our moves this year adding Boozer and other SHOULD NOT be put in the same sentence as adding Drew Gooden and Corey Maggette
Please...
Vivid basketball watcher. Noah and Anderson Varejo are nearly one in the same. Noah may be a bit better than Anderson at the things they do, but Noah doesn’t have one skill in his arsenal that he’s better than Bogut at. Rebounding = Bogut, Scoring = Bogut, Shot Blocking = Bogut, Passing = Bogut.
Am I hearing about how much better a team would have been without injury? You must be talking about the Bucks. Any time the Bucks have been mentioned this offseason it’s how much better they would have been with Andrew Bogut (and Redd for shits).
Bulls are improved, but still not on the Bucks level, it’s nice they are making it into a rivalry, but I’m confident its going to be 4-0 Bucks and the Bucks will take the Central (pending any major injuries).
Actually Noah is better at rebounding then Bogut.
And I don’t really understand why you think the Bucks will win so easily…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
wait wait Joakim Noah??? I thought we were talking about Yannick Noah.......
my bad Noah is easily the most skilled Bulls big man since Stacey King
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
You forgot Zaza Pachulia.
Beastly :P
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Aug 2, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose is way better than Jennings
Seasons Comparison (per 48 minutes)
NAME GP GS MIN PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO A/TO PF TECH
DRose (soph) 78 78 36.8 27.1 1.1 3.8 4.9 7.8 0.95 0.45 3.6 2.16 1.6 0.0
DRose (frosh) 81 80 37.0 21.8 1.5 3.5 5.1 8.2 1.06 0.29 3.2 2.53 2.0 0.0
BJ3 (frosh) 82 82 32.6 22.8 0.9 4.2 5.1 8.4 1.89 0.32 3.6 2.35 3.4 0.0
hmm……
Good compaison, FTD
I’d say that Rose is currently better than BJ, but not by a ton, as others think – they both have flaws in their game – and neither of them are in the CP3/D Williams class, IMO.
But I think in 4 or 5 yrs, Rose & BJ will be two of the top PGs in the league… and Milw/Chi and DR/BJ should have a great rivalry.
Agreed
By those numbers, it looks like Derrick Rose would have finished somewhere from third to fifth in ROY votes had he been a rook in 2009-2010. I think he’s a great player, just don’t take anything away from BJ3 not getting ROY because he came in with a very strong rookie class.
Right now, it's Rose
and the distance between them is equal to the one between Lebron and Melo
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 5, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all, it's hard to read that, maybe next time you should link to the comparison? Just a suggestion
(although there’s a way to make charts on here, but I can’t remember)
Second of all, Jennings usg% is higher than Rose’s was their freshman years. Thus, it’s absurd to use Per48, because the player with the higher usage is pretty much guaranteed to have higher stats over 48. Per 36 would be better.
Also, you’ve left out the fact that Rose was far more efficient in scoring than Jennings, having a higher eFG% (.431 to .482) and TS% (.516, which isn’t good, to .475, which is terrible). This is also summed up in their ORtg’s, where Rose was superior (108, which is okay, to 100, which is bad).
Jenning’s DRtg was higher, however, take into account that DRtg is relies heavily on team defense (it’s basically team DRtg with steals and blocks factored in). There is no stat that indicates Jennings having a better rookie season than Rose.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 5, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
there she blows....still some life in the old lady yet
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Did you just get lucky BJ's? (LOL!)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 3, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
haha no luck the streak continues unfortunately Dave ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
You have my sympathy mate :)
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
no need ha....it's probably deserved ;)
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
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