Stats 101: Getting to know Corey Maggette
The draft is done. Summer league is history. And free agency has lost all its steam. Welcome to the dog days of the NBA calendar.
That said, there's still plenty left to talk about, especially with a team counting on the emergence of young talent and the successful integration of more than a handful of new faces. Among the most popular topics has been the likely impact of Corey Maggette, who despite a decade-long resume as an efficient scorer still seems like a major x-factor. Will he start? Will he fit in? Will he defend...maybe a little bit? Everyone has their opinions, but I figured a good place to start would be with the numbers.
7.9 fta/g. Fourth among all SFs in free throw attempts per game, trailing only Kevin Durant, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.
51.6% fg%. Only Nicolas Batum (51.9%) shot better from the field in 09/10 among small forwards.
66.2% at rim. Maggette's driving ability meant a significant chunk of his shots came at the rim, where he finished at a good clip,12th among all small forwards.
9.5% blocked rate. Despite scoring so effectively around the cup, Maggette also was blocked at the fourth-highest rate among SFs--on nearly 10% of his shots. Ironically, Luc Mbah a Moute and Chris Douglas-Roberts rank 2-3.
For Maggette it's actually somewhat understandable given a) he took so many shots among the trees and b) was usually at least a few inches smaller than the PFs typically defending him. They always say if you're a shot blocker you're bound to get dunked on, and if you're an inside scorer you're bound to get blocked a fair bit. In case you're curious, Gerald Wallace is #1 and Carmelo Anthony is also in the top ten.
27 charges taken. Maggette knows how to draw charges, ranking fourth among small forwards in charges taken.
4 blocks. No one's ever accused Maggette of being an intense defender, but it's still amazing that a player with his body managed just four blocks all season. No small forward who played 20 games and averaged 20 mpg had fewer. To put that in perspective, Luke Ridnour blocked seven shots last season and Brandon Jennings managed four in the playoffs alone.
20.40 PER. Fourth among all small forwards in PER, ahead of such notable names as Danny Granger, Paul Pierce, and Gerald Wallace.
10.0% rebound rate. 17th among 62 qualifying small forwards, just ahead of Carlos Delfino. Maggette has long been a good rebounder for his size, but his numbers might also be inflated somewhat by playing mostly as a PF on a team devoid of rebounders.
61.5% true shooting. Getting tons of free throws and shooting a high percentage from the field translated into the second-best true shooting percentage among all small forwards.
31% of Warrior PF minutes. Despite standing just 6'6", Maggette got most of his minutes last year at power forward for Don Nelson's Warriors. He also got 18% of available small forward minutes and 1% of center minutes, with less than 1% of the minutes at off guard. It was even more pronounced in 08/09, when he tallied 27% of minutes at PF and just 10% at SF. You have to go back to his last year with the Clips (07/08) to find his last season as a full-time SF.
In other words, Maggette has plenty of experience in small ball units and his stats from the previous two season could be a bit deceiving given the Bucks will likely deploy him in a more traditional manner. For instance, while his scoring efficiency, free throw rates, and per-minute scoring rates have always been high, he had never shot close to 50% before last season.
Much has also been made of Maggette's terrible +/- differential with the Warriors, particularly on defense. But the Bucks will hope his last season as a small forward is more indicative of his impact on the scoreboard, as the (admittedly terrible) Clips were 4.8 pts/100 better on offense and allowed 3.3 pts/100 less on defense. Given he's competing for minutes with plus defenders like Luc Mbah a Moute and Carlos Delfino, I don't expect the Bucks to be better defensively with Maggette on the floor, but that's OK as long as he's scoring efficiently and not hemorrhaging points on the other end.
1.01 PPP in isolation. Maggette was 17th among all players in points per possession in isolation situations, accounting for a whopping 27% of his total possessions. He shots 46.4% and drew a foul on 20.8% of all iso plays. In comparison, Salmons was even more iso-dependent with the Bucks, getting 31% of his plays out of isolation, shooting 41.3% and scoring 1.01 PPP.
0.91 PPP in post. Despite the amount of time he spent at the 4, Maggette still managed solid efficiency out of the post, ranking 56th in the league in post PPP. Salmons was much better (1.17 PPP) but had only 23 plays out of the post compared to Maggette's 179.
1.17 PPP in P&R. Because of all that time at PF, Maggette got a fair number of plays (52) as a screener in P&R. It worked pretty well, too, as he was 27th in the league in PPP and shot 54.1%. He got less than half as many plays out of P&R situations where he was the ball-handler.
1.03 PPP defensively. Maggette's defensive numbers are perhaps (not surprisingly) rather terrible. His overall points allowed per possession rank 414th league-wide and he's bad in pretty much every category. I only have his 09/10 data, so it's hard to say whether any of it is attributable to the fact that he was playing as an undersized PF, but it's not like he had a good rep previously either. For reference, Salmons allowed 0.90 PPP with the Bucks, good for 203rd in the league.
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Blocks
Earl Boykins blocked 12 shots in a season one time and four shots two other times. I just think that’s cool.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
"Maggette draws more fouls than the Nets draw fans. "
Cold.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I was looking through our Maggette photo archive...
And that one just stood out at me…the caption wrote itself.
by Frank Madden on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It really is hard to take seriously with all the empty seats ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it was a snow storm outside...
but that Bucks Nets game this past year that drew only 1000+ fans also sums up the Nets season
Hey Frank, can we expect Stats 101 for all of our veteran newcomers?
I hope so, if you do, can I request that for Gooden’s Stats 101 you line up some of Gooden’s stats against Ilyasova, Mbah a Moute, and Brockman? Putting the stats side by side can give us a statistical tape measure of the Bucks power forward position this year. An area of interest would be shot distribution for each of the players.
Where they are getting shots and in what situations.
Examples....
Gooden’s jumpshooting percentages, atrocious +/-.. ;)….
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Might as well
We’ve got a lot of time to fill between now and camp…
by Frank Madden on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Gooden
I dug up this nugget while lurking on teh YouTubez:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_f7bjl5TQc
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You know it.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I have called him MEggette forever but
I am excited to see him play in a Bucks uniform and get to the FT line
He is going to be a great second unit player. He could certianly be a 6th man candidate coming off the Bucks Bench
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 30, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
lock it in if he comes off the bench I say
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
This will still be the Bucks and so we will always have that hill to climb with the national media. The nice thing is that our team will always have fuel. I’d expect Udonis Haslem or Lamar Odom to have a head start on the award.
by MadTown Hoops on Jul 30, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said there's no 'Me' in teme...? LOL!
Seriously tho, I’m with you 808…really excited to see how he’s going to fit with Milwaukee!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
You have to remember in this day and age
Which team you are talking about. A player who shall remain nameless cough LeBron cough
cares more about his team of leeches, parasites and sychophants than he does about the name on the front of his jersey imo.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
And after playing for New England, San Diego, Houston, St. Louis, a year for the Toronto Argonauts, plus one season as a greeter at the Desert Inn, I’m happy to finally play here in the fine city of Miam
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 30, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Curious defensive shortcomings
Are they significant? Perhaps. Will that matter much if Maggette is our 6th man? Not at all. I am not worried about that part of his game. He joined the Bucks for scoring punch and his ability to draw fouls.
That's true
Very few players are the “whole package” anyway. It’s about using your players strengths and covering their weaknesses.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Especially ones that come off the bench
Sure, they still have to play defense. But last season, with our second unit, they had to be good defensively cuz they couldn’t score a lick.
I've been on board with Maggette since day 1
Need guys that want the ball, can take it to the hole and score.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
metoo
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Okay maybe not so much ;)
but I like the Delfino/Maggette combo at SF…….and those stats are fairly impressive considering what we lacked last year……
on another note thats hardly flattering for Luc that he gets blocked so much
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
It is not surprising that Luc gets blocked so much
He is a power forward in a small forward’s frame. He lacks the explosiveness that undersized PFs like Josh Smith and Marion in his prime used to finish in the paint.
by Brick's house on Jul 30, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
true
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Lol
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
what...that sounded convincing didnt it? no?
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
It did for all of a few seconds
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
to quote coach Finstock in Teen Wolf
it doesnt matter how you play the game, its whether you win or lose, and even that doesnt make all that much difference
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Not if your a North Korean soccer coach
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
the cake is a lie.......hadnt heard that one before I like it
the cake is a lie
you are what you can defend
never play cards with a guy who has the first name of a city
three more quotes in the bank
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
"You are what you can defend"
Like that quote too.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The ones that have "The Whole Package" get paid a lot more than Maggette does
Go Beer, I mean Bucks
by Take Back Our Bucks on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Although BP probably get's paid more then he should.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 30, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So...Uh
Any news on the teams courting Primoz? ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Ha!
I heard that the Townsville Crocodiles need a C!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If they wait a year they can make a move for Gadz
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
Gadzilla on the Crocs...nice reptillian theme going there!
Be cool when they play Wollongong at The Snakepit!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
He should invite teams to make presentations for him.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Daniel Santiago's team probably needs a backup
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Not a fan of Maggette
That’s a lot of salary to take on for the next three years. $15M more than already committed for a guy who bleeds points. Extremely efficient, so still a net positive (especially on a defensive minded team), but a lot of money to commit to someone who is only getting further from his prime. I just don’t see him as a guy who can elevate a team anywhere over being a 6th man and, unfortunately, he is paid like a second option.
I like him a lot more if they team hadn’t also gotten Gooden AND Salmons.
There seems to be a contingent of GS fans that hate Maggette.
There are several Maggette Sucks lowlight vids on YouTube. Haven’t seen too many of those out there for other players. He seems to bring out strong reactions from fans.
by Brick's house on Jul 31, 2010 12:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Warriors Fans
Probably hate Maggette more than anything because he is associated with losing for them. They probably hate everybody on their team except David Lee and Stephen Curry, because they haven’t built that rep yet.
Honestly, every Bucks fan can’t wait to whip out the players from our losing era. Now its just Redd and look at all this hate he gets. Gadz and Bell were definitely not an exception. Bogut still has a hard time getting over that, cuz I still hear ppl who think Bogut is weak.
by FearTheDeer on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You're so right
I can’t believe the hate-on people have for Redd, the guy was outstanding for 5 years here, injuries have crippled him and he’s being called a bum and worse. It’s a shame he couldn’t have played with some better teams here but that’s just fate I guess.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
by CanadaBucks on Jul 31, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
They’re obviously totally different players (and both got overpaid), but I imagine that Maggette’s arrival in the wake of Baron Davis’ exist didn’t set him up to be well-liked.
by Frank Madden on Jul 31, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
being seen as Don Nelson's guy didnt help.......
funnily enough if he wasnt a good soldier and bitched and moaned about the coach and the whole GSw debacle he would have got some sympathy from the fan base
still I regarding Redd, I see him as a good guy, a 2nd round pick who made it, the Bucks overpaid basically a second/third option guy with a max contract because we didnt have much else on the roster, but I have never heard anything about Redd being anything other than a upstanding guy in the community and the team
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
pretty much the same for guys like Dan Gadz and Charlie Bell......
they were over paid, but they were pretty good team guys, and Milwaukee Bucks guys, they tried hard, and put in the effort, production wise yeah maybe it didnt happen, but the team management gave them their contracts, I dont have any bad feelings towards them……
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
I mean Redd has been a Bucks guy his whole career, and flew the flag for the Bucks when we didnt have much else
it hasnt worked out the last few seasons, but you cant question the guys effort, heart and say he is a malcontent…thats not the case
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
But you saw some of the posts about Redd on this site
Some people really have a dislike for him and I don’t really know why. What you said here:
still I regarding Redd, I see him as a good guy, a 2nd round pick who made it, the Bucks overpaid basically a second/third option guy with a max contract because we didnt have much else on the roster, but I have never heard anything about Redd being anything other than a upstanding guy in the community and the team
Is spot on as they say.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
well I guess everyone is ready to move on with the Bogut/Jennings era
fair enough that’s the immediate future and the potential is great, and Redd is kinda a reminder of the past decade or so of ineptitude, but who is to say…. had Redd been fit and at his best, he could have been part of the upsurge in Salmons role, just worked out that at the time Jennings came along to pair with Bogut, Redd was struggling to get back from the injury
still there is no reason to knock Redd’s contribution and efforts during his career
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
and to be fair, though they have moved on Hammond's and management havent been cold shouldering him or talking him down....
they have been diligent and improved the team as they had to do
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
The word for that is
McGradied…
Example:
The Bucks management has not yet McGradied Michael Redd.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Is that an urban dictionary word?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
McGradied(v)
To ostracize, not include in plans, banish to obscurity
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Nice.
Now it just needs to be official.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
(And while we’re on the subject)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Marko+Schmidt
Yes, that is who your thinking of.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!
by Big Crazy Dave on Jul 31, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty sad
"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."
It's even worse on realgm
Apparently Redd is the devil. At least that’s the vibe I get. Some people try to undermine him at every turn.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Speedingtime on Jul 31, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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