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Hammond on Bogut's elbow, Delfino sizzles, the chemistry question looms

Sporting News: Bogut working back from gruesome injury
Sean Deveney caught up with John Hammond for his reaction to the continued worries over Andrew Bogut's elbow, and as you'd expect he's not offering any guarantees.

"We are certainly hopeful that he would be ready [for the first game]," Hammond said. "But it’s something that we are not going to rush. We want to make sure Andrew is healthy in March and April, and for years to come."

I'll let you decide whether the line about not rushing is really code for "he's probably not going to be ready," though I also imagine it's been a while since a Bucks doctor actually looked at Bogut's elbow.

Another likely indicator of the front office's expectations will be what they do with their last roster spot. Make no mistake, it's weird that the Bucks had three second round picks and not one of them has signed an NBA contract, which suggests that they have some concerns about the injured Darington Hobson and raw-as-heck Tiny Gallon (Jerome Jordan signed to play in Europe in case you were curious). It also leaves open the possibility that they could yet sign a veteran big man, which would seem to send an obvious message that they're worried Bogut might be unavailable at the start the season. 

FIBA: Delfino's 30 leads Argentina past Ersan-less Turkey
Carlos Delfino appears to be peaking at the right time--at least for his country. Carlitos continued his hot stretch of late with 30 points (8/17 fg, 4/9 threes, 10/13 ft) and eight boards in a 93-89 OT win over Turkey in Ankara. As expected, Ersan Ilyasova was held out of the game following a blow to the nose on Friday night, and I haven't seen word on. Here's Palomba's assessment of your tournament MVP:

Do you remember his first half against Atlanta in playoffs game 6? Well, he`s playing continuously at that level, taking key shots a different moments of the game, and in a similar role (if memory doesn´t fail me, Carlitos played like a sort of alternative guard, being very active, handling the ball a lot, because Salmons and Jennings was so heavily defended). Everyone is very happy down here with him and excitement is growing about our possibilities. Will see what happens. For sure he will be guarded more aggressively when the Cup starts.

Great to hear, but hopefully he saves some of this for November.

Star-divide

CBS Sports: Are the Bucks legit?
Matt Moore ponders the eternal question. Among the interesting tidbits:

They were also sixth in three-point defense. What this means is that the two most efficient areas on the floor, the Bucks were exceptional at. Their only real area of problems, defensively? 10-15 Feet, where they were dead last in field goal percentage allowed.

Where 55 Happens: Examining What Worked
A couple weeks ago Dan Sinclair posted a great retrospective on the Bucks' "signature" road win in Denver, and this week he takes his magnifying glass to another memorable night from the 09/10 season--the road win in Sacramento 24 hours earlier. 

Bucksketball: Chemistry could be an issue
Jeremy addresses what many of us have wondered: has the Bucks' busy offseason endangered the locker room mojo that served them so well a year ago? To me the biggest question isn't about who the Bucks added so much as who they lost. Re-read the Bucks' post-season media quotes and you see a lot of talk about Jerry Stackhouse and Kurt Thomas being among the leaders in the locker room. Obviously the Bucks knew that when they let both guys walk, but there's no guarantee the dynamic will be replicated.

Rarely do you players gripes as long as their team is winning games.  But if the Bucks underachieve early this season, there’s going to be a lot of people upset and that often leads to finger pointing, selfishness and problems.

Maggette's the most obvious question mark, though as Jeremy notes he didn't complain when Nellie brought him off the bench for a crappy Warrior team a year ago. In general I have to think age matters when considering a player's psyche and ego. Maggette's now 30 years old and probably doesn't harbor the same delusions of grandeur as he did when he bristled at coming off Mike Dunleavy's bench in L.A. He's been pretty clear since the trade that he considers himself a starter but will do whatever the coach asks of him, so hopefully that translates to "100% effort off the bench" and not "crappy attitude."

CD-R is another guy Jeremy mentions, and I can see the concerns there as well. Ironically, he's in the opposite position of Maggette--young, unproven, and needing to show something ahead of free agency next summer. And that's a double-edged sword, since it's a fine line between hungry and selfish (and also a fine line between stupid and clever). But I think CD-R is also smart enough to know his attitude is under the microscope after last season, and at the end of the day it's pretty easy to trade or cut a guy with an expiring, minimum-level deal. If he doesn't fit in, he'll be gone.

CBS Boards: Quantifing chemistry using advanced stats
Speaking of chemistry, I stumbled upon this interesting piece posted over at the CBS Sports message boards. Be sure to read the introduction for the methodology that was used (nerds, unite!), but here's the high-level summary:

The unit with the best chemistry was, unsuprisingly to me, the Milwaukee Bucks with Jennings, Bell, Delfino, Ilyasova, and Bogut. This would indcate a fact I feel is true, that this Milwaukee 5, and Milwaukee as a whole by proxy, played better than the sum of their parts.

Hollinger: Bucks rank 12th in all-time franchise rankings
All these Wisconsin HOF nominations has had me on a bit of an NBA history kick, so I thought it was interesting to browse through John Hollinger's all-time franchise rankings (posted back in June).  So John, how about them Bucks?

Most teams' histories are defined by peaks and valleys. For the Milwaukee Bucks, it's defined as an almost-immediate peak followed by a steady, unrelenting descent, one that may ultimately result in relocation.

Yeeeesh. Alright, I get the first part, but that last part was just...mean. 

Ball Don't Lie: Maggette #11 among SFs
Corey Maggette checks in at #11 on Kelly Dwyer's small forward list, which is kind of ironic given he played the majority of his minutes as a power forward last year. And speaking of PFs, Drew Gooden is nowhere to be found in KD's list of top 30 PFs...  

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Oh wait, this isn’t a C-a-C.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 1:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Looks like a good picture for Docfunk to edit.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried about the chemistry questions

From what I saw last year, Maggette was always the good soldier despite giving up minutes to a variety of (quality) d-leaguers. He was the good soldier willing to play PF for Nellie’s whacky offense….and, from what I saw, he generally gave a pretty good effort on defense despite some of the obvious mismatches. I’m not saying he was always effective (he wasn’t), but his body language and movement suggested that he was trying to do what the coach asked of him. While I suspect Maggette would prefer starting, I think he will play the good soldier in Milly and do what Skiles asks him to do (i.e., spark plug off the bench).

I’m not as sold on CDR being the good solider, but have less concerns about him. First, Skiles isn’t going to put up with selfish play from an unproven young guy on a veteran team with playoff plans. CDR won’t play if he doesn’t play within the system. Second, if CDR becomes a locker room cancer, he’s an easy cut at his salary. At the price it cost the Bucks, he was worth a roll of the dice. Could be a guy who develops into a nice rotation player…or he could be a cancer and you cut your losses.

by hunter11 on Aug 25, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I think chemistry will be fine...

Eveyone knows this is Skiles team and Bogut is the team leader – as long as the players remember that, all should be well.

And if not, JH will show them the door. Quickly.

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm a bit anxious regarding whether Bogut will be back on time or not...

But I still think he’ll be back on the first game. What I’m more worried about is if he can stay healthy during the season or will he get another phantom injury.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't call the elbow injury "phantom" :)

I also wonder how it’s going to impact his play. Is it going to limit his offense in the early going? Is he going to be more tentative on defense as well?

by Frank Madden on Aug 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your right about the elbow injury ;)

But the back and knee problems…

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude played for weeks with a broken spine

I’m not worried about Bogut. If he does have these fews injury plagued years,he might end up having a longer career than most big men. Ilgauskas and Camby were injury prone in the early years, now they are some of the most effective older bigs out there.

by MadTown Hoops on Aug 27, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bogut talks about it in this piece.

http://www.nba.com/bucks/features/mb_100824.html

Though I didn’t really get much of an idea whether he seems to be ready for the opener or not.

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I think like everyone

he really doesn’t know.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Aug 25, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My eyes got wide when I read,

…so I’ll be 100 percent ready to go for training camp…

Whether he starts the season or not, it’s good to now.

Of course this is all Bucks propaganda. ;)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of like Lebron

When he said he hadn’t made up his mind?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Aug 25, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Similar, except as far as I know, Bogut isn't a B****...

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those quotes are all old

I think they’re from when the season ended—he talks about having the cast on and having four months until the season. He’s been out of the cast for a while and it’s two months until the season starts…

by Frank Madden on Aug 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kelly Dwyer doesn't have Gooden as a top 30 PF!!

Sure, he’s not James Worthy… but he avg 12/8 last yr [which i think is around his career avg]

I just have a hard time believing there are 30 PFs better than him.

Maybe Dwyer will have him as a C. Wonder where he’s gonna rank Bogut….

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks.

Weird.

I think Tiny is gone – and I’m a bit confused why Hobson hasn’t signed….

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I think they're just waiting until training camp to see how they do.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silver lining....

If AB isn’t ready to start the season, we’ll see a lot of Sanders…. and the Gooden signing will look a lot better.

But let’s hope that’s not the case : )

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Brezac can't be a corpse

That’s reserved for Miller.

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Aug 25, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to say he can't be a corpse cause there was nothing there in the first place...

Well, he WAS a starter.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cadaver?

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 26, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

he has been donated to medical science

"That," says LeBron, "is for everyone that watches me play. They witness something special. You're all a witness."

by ILIKEBJ'S on Aug 26, 2010 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Squad Six is to the Bucks what beer is to Milwaukee (or anywhere else for that matter)... the catalyst for you doing dumb things in public and not feeling self-conscious!

by Big Crazy Dave on Aug 27, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kelly Dwyer is a Bulls fan

He knows how horrible Gooden is.
Seriously. Gooden is ridiculously bad. I feel awful that he’s on the Bucks [and I doubt he’ll play at all with Skiles]. :/

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Aug 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

How can you seriously believe

That Taj Gibson will have a better year than Gooden?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Aug 25, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've watched Gooden play, and be awful.

Also, I didn’t say that, but if you’re wondering about our PF, we do have Carlos Boozer. :P
Gooden just … watching Gooden made me want to throw my remote through the TV. He’s possibly the least attentive defender ever. it’s like he gets distracted by the spotlights every two seconds.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Aug 25, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know he has a rep as a mercurial/frustrating player w/ questionable decision making...

But I also watched him tear up the Bucks last yr – and he avg 15/9 playing next to Kaman last yr, so i’m guessing he’ll avg close to that this yr w/ Bogut.

Skiles & Hammond know what he is, and he won’t be asked to do more than he’s capable of doing.

Now let’s see if Boozer earns his money this year ; )

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well ... I'll be surprised.

I suppose all there is to do is hope it works out, but MAN.
[/tries to be hopeful]

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Aug 25, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm being a total homer... but I think the Bucks formula is similar to the Pistons

from earlier in the decade….

Get a bunch of talented, nomadic journeymen, and pair them with a couple of all-stars – and then let the team take on the personality of the coach.

and hope for the best ; )

I’m not saying this team is the 2004 Pistons…. But it seems that Milw is working off the same blueprint…

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think saying Gooden is ridiculously bad

is harsh…..What is bad about him?

I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!

by CanadaBucks on Aug 25, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a couple things that makes people hate him (as some people seem to do):

1. He has a rep as a terrible defender
2. He looks goofy
3. He makes poor decisions on the court (Bad passes, bad shots, etc,)

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prevenge - I respectfully disagree

1. – Skiles coached him in Chicago, so he obviously liked him enough to approve of the signing [they also tried to acquire him at the deadline last yr] there’s no way Hammond makes any of his deals w/o Skiles giving his blessing.

2. Gooden is, and has always been, a highly mediocre PF – not great, but very solid – and his numbers back that up.

3. Any PF/C that can consistently avg 12/8 and hits 80% at the FT line, is far from horrible…. sure, he’s not Karl Malone, but the Bucks don’t need him to be.

4. I’ll take him over Taj Gibson [atleast right now]

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW Skiles actually didn't coach him

He was fired beforehand. But Jim Boylan (the interim) did.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just learned current Bucks asst Kelvin Sampson is 3rd guy in running for Bulls asst job, along with Terry Porter, Eric Musselman.

http://twitter.com/SamAmicoNBA/status/22144459434

IMO we REALLY need to keep Sampson. He seems to be great with the young guys.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't he the asst here?

Why would he leave? And I agree w/ you, speedy – he seems to be a great buffer between Skiles & the players.

by victor s on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno why he'd leave either

But I just hope he stays.

"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09

by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 25, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would seem weird to swap assistant jobs

I know Boylan is technically the lead assistant here…maybe it’s just a matter of $$$.

by Frank Madden on Aug 25, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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