Preview: Argentina/Germany and Turkey/Cote d'Ivoire
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT
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PrintIt's a big opening day of group play at the FIBA World Championships in Turkey, with Carlos Delfino's Argentina and Ersan Ilyasova's Turkey both kicking things off this afternoon. We'll make this our double-barrel game thread for the day, starting with Turkey at 1 pm CT.
Turkey vs. Cote d'Ivoire, 1 pm CT, ESPN3
The hosts get things started at 1 pm CT against Cote d'Ivoire, a few hours after Greece opened Group C play with an 89-81 win over Yi Jianlian (26 pts/14 rebs) and China. Ersan Ilyasova took part in training yesterday after missing two games last weekend with a broken nose suffered against Lebanon. I haven't seen official confirmation that Ilyasova will be a go today, but let's hope it's nothing that a mask can't compensate for. Memo Okur is missing, but he'll be joined by Hedo Turkoglu and 24-year-old Omer Asik, the 36th overall pick in 2008 who signed this summer with the Bulls. Asik's Turkish league stats don't jump off the page, but I was particularly impressed by his combination of size (6'11"), skill and mobility last summer at the EuroBasket.
Getting an easy win against the Ivorians would be a big boost for Turkey, whose group schedule includes five games in six days against the likes of Russia (Sunday), Greece (Tuesday), Puerto Rico (Wednesday), and China (Thursday). Four of the six teams advance out of the group stage, with the Ivorians looking like the clear doormats at this point.
Argentina vs. Germany, 1:30 pm CT, ESPN3
As you probably know by now, the perennial South American favorites are without Manu Ginobili, but this past week also brought news that Andres Nocioni will miss the tournament due to an ankle injury. Palomba outlined the worries around losing Nocioni in the comments yesterday:
With him out, Argentina’s possibilities for winning a medal have dramatically decreased, not only because of his absence–Argentina played very well without him during preparatory games--but because of the low quality, age or inexperience of back up players.
Still, our guy Carlitos has been excellent in the lead-up to the tourney and will still have Luis Scola inside to lead on. Argentina continues its Group A schedule on Sunday against Australia (76-75 winners over Jordan this morning) and after that they've got Angola (Monday), Jordan (Wednesday) and Serbia (Thursday). Unfortunately, Serbia should have Nenad Krstic back by the time Argentina faces them in the final game of group play. FIBA suspended Krstic for three games after his pathetic chair-throwing display against Greece last week. Palomba's starting five:
PG. Pablo Prigioni. Real Madrid, Spain
SG. Carlos Delfino. Future NBA East best team
SF. Hernán Jasen. Estudiantes, Spain
PF. Luis Scola. Houston Rockets
C . Fabricio Oberto. Free Agent.
Germany is without Dirk Nowitzki and pseudo-German Chris Kaman, but they've got a couple of interesting young big men in Tibor Pleiss and Robin Benzing. The Nets selected Pleiss with the first pick of the second round in June while Benzing withdrew from the draft at the last moment.
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First surprise: Canada falling against Lebanon: 81-71
Bad news for Canadabucks, who won’t be happy with this
or Nash, for that matter
With him their team would be pretty decent. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems that Canadians don’t worry too much about their NT.
We were really banged up coming in
So I’m not that surprised, disappointed yes, surprised no. Rick Fox would have helped too.
I'm taking my talents to.......The Golden Arches!
Prediction for Del3no
55 points, 15 rebounds, 20 assists. I’m not setting the bar too high, am I?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
And Ersan isn't wearing the mask!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
I'm wondering if he actually broke his nose
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, wait there it is
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Ersan look any bigger to you?
He said he would try to bulk up again, maybe looks slightly bigger.
A little bit
nothing too noticeable.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, now that I look at him
He does look a bit bigger then I originally thought…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
As demonstrated by that dunk on the break!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know
But apparently the team’s confidence was a bit shocked with the Nocioni loss. A good first game can change things a little bit, I think.
Ivory coast just doesn't have the skill that Turkey has
and great hustle by Ersan continues, getting up and down the floor.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Yeah, he could be a lot better if he developed some ball handling skills
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence he's a PF
The combo of an iffy handle and lack of explosion makes it tough for him to be anything but a PF
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If he had some post moves he could be a real threat.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright, Argentina time.
Argentina on one tab, Turkey on the other…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
CIV scraping their way back into it
Turkey not surprisingly came out fired up, but they weathered the initial storm.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I turned back to the turkey game
In time to see Ersan bring the ball up the court and run into the defender for an offensive foul. Well done.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
You're telling me!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been an active distributor, not really looking for his shot.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He must be excited to bring the ball up every time
He seemed to love doing that for the Bucks last year…
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Del3no!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Carlitos on fire
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Good thing he practices all those 27-footers with the Bucks
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Too bad Dirk isn’t playing. He would be having flashbacks.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But Germany won't go away.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Omnipresent!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He's doing a good job getting Oberto and the other bigs the ball around the hoop
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I saw a recent documentary where his father Carlos (4, 5?) was interviewed; he said when Carlitos was a kid he was much better than his teammates, but he felt bad if they didn’t had their share in the scoring. So he assisted them all the time.
Dissapointing ending to the half.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Whats his stats?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, found out
He leads all scorers with 12; points; has 5 rebounds and a block and steal, no assists
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty excited to see Ersan in a Bucks uni this year
and whether he’s improved or not…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a bit overlooked at this point
I don’t know how much better he’s going to get, but I think his numbers could improve simply by becoming more consistent.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither do I.
Maybe he’s just sadistic. I’d hate for Ersan to lose stamina for the beginning of the year.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They've got five games in six days and this is the only easy game they have
But at least Ersan is padding his stats…17 points now.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
There you go...
And 1 for CD10 (16 pts)…chance to tie Greene for the game scoring lead.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing that would be a big upset?
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was hoping that to happen
having Scola so heavily guarded, he has become our offensive alternative. But it don’t seems it will be enough to carry us very far…
My Brother just said that the German player with the curly blonde hair looks like Corey Hart!
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
He's a player for the Milwaukee Brewers :)
Baseball team.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Argentina needs to be careful.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Corey Hart for three...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Gotta go, hopeful for a victory.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
Big throws from Carlitos!
He was only 6/12 from the line in clutch situations last year for the Bucks.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
Nah, but I thought I remember him not being so good late in games from the line…did a quick lookup at 82games.com.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, with this team it will be always like this
you can expect heart and winning mentality, but we’re lacking talent. We won’t have easy games, only Angola.
I don`t know how did you see him
but I liked Carlito’s game. He was the top scorer with not a high percentage of threes. That’s unusual. I liked his attitude, him asking always for the ball. I don’t know. If you’re in the mood, Speedy, Frank, I would like to read some of your thoughts
I didn't get to see the end but...
I liked the way he played. He was good at drawing defenders towards him and dishing it out to his man, and when defenders didn’t come near him, he made them pay. A little streaky, but we’ve come to expect that. Pretty scrappy as well, getting in the right place at the right time. Seemed pretty confident overall.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 28, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He was their anchor
Showed a bit more aggression getting to the hoop and drawing fouls in the fourth, with the exception of that tough fadeaway with 55 seconds left. Played very under control and patient….they were obviously content to play a very halfcourt-oriented style, which suits their personnel.
by Frank Madden on Aug 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
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